Apple is a joke

The Mac users here they say that they use bootcamp to play "Games for Windows" are self-owning themselves. :lol:

there not for gaming, there for simpletons, i thought everyone here knew this? this is why apple sells as well as they do, because they have simplicity, just like the wiiunreal48

But Wii is cheap and Apple is not.

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The Mac users here they say that they use bootcamp to play "Games for Windows" are self-owning themselves. :lol:

Bio_Spark

But wouldn't the ability to run two OSes on a single machine be a strength, not a weakness?

And, holy crap, this thread grew overnight.

well..since you can run OSX on PC it's not any kind of advantage

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The Mac users here they say that they use bootcamp to play "Games for Windows" are self-owning themselves. :lol:

Bio_Spark

But wouldn't the ability to run two OSes on a single machine be a strength, not a weakness?

And, holy crap, this thread grew overnight.

The question is who are you competing against? Is it MS? If so, now people can switch to mac and still have access to all their PC apps. How stable is Windows on a Mac? If its as stable as it is on the PC (or more since macs have less of a hardware mix to to Apple's iron grip on what can go inside a mac machine) you're hurting OSX. All your apps, everything you want, and more stable. Thats the power of Windows and MAc. You don't want to send that message if you make OSX.

It has potential to help Apple vs PC manufactures. But thats negated when the price is over double. I would challenge anyone to find a pc laptop thats as poorly outfited as the Air, at half the cost. Something that garbage is gonna sell for under $700 on a PC.

Mac OS X X86 runs quite well on non Macs.

I tripple boot XP MCE, OS X 10.4.8, and Vista Ultimate on my laptop but use XP the most because its the best

yea, macs appeal to the technologically inept

REforever101

Yeah, or you could just be wrong. That's more likely.

[QUOTE="SkullboyX"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]I won't be surprised if more people move to Apple over the next couple years. Their computers last forever, as opposed to Dell computers, which last maybe 2 years. Apple also has the best customer service on the planet.swamprat_basic

Been out of the loop for a while? Dell has outsourced all of their Customer Service to Idiotland. Calling Dell is now an absolutely horrific experience. You have to wait while they go down their entire checklist of crap that you've all ready checked. At the Apple stores they will actually listen to you, and replace your product if it is not easily fixible.

ACER is not even a comparable company.

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

I can believe many industry professionals and high end graphics/animators are drooling over this thing.

Andrew_Xavier

Edited for truth :)

With that crap hardware? No.

Maybe a couple businessmen with some money to waste. But Apple doesn't generally target that demographic with their marketing, now do they?

"Industry professionals" in the field of graphics production and animation get their work done at high-end workstations.

There's no real reason to get an Air over a Macbook Pro. 1-2 lbs of weight isn't a resaon when you consider the hardware sacrifices you have to make.

Apple makes fantastic laptops. There is little point in trying to deny this fact. There sturdy, there well built, there generally well equipped, and OSX is a great OS at power saving abilities.

Outside the Laptop space though their purpose is much more limited. As much as Apple fans refuse to admit it OSX is generally more insecure then a Windows system, and there desktops are notorious for being flaky.

In the end when it comes to OSX vs Windows vs Linux, Windows wins purely because of compatability. OSX is next followed by Linux.

Apple makes great products and great software, but they do horribly overcharge. If your buying direct from apple your paying a solid 10% markup purey because its apple.

Apple makes fantastic laptops. There is little point in trying to deny this fact. There sturdy, there well built, there generally well equipped, and OSX is a great OS at power saving abilities.

Outside the Laptop space though their purpose is much more limited. As much as Apple fans refuse to admit it OSX is generally more insecure then a Windows system, and there desktops are notorious for being flaky.

In the end when it comes to OSX vs Windows vs Linux, Windows wins purely because of compatability. OSX is next followed by Linux.

Apple makes great products and great software, but they do horribly overcharge. If your buying direct from apple your paying a solid 10% markup purey because its apple.

Cali3350

OSX is great. i have a PC and a powermac G5. i rather work on the powermac. far more reliable.I think Microsoft is the one that is doing a really poor job...

also, when i think of the term. "personal" computer, my Mac is the first thing i think of. it's my personal computer. i like it. my pc, i feel indifferent towards..

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[QUOTE="SkullboyX"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]I won't be surprised if more people move to Apple over the next couple years. Their computers last forever, as opposed to Dell computers, which last maybe 2 years. Apple also has the best customer service on the planet.Stevo_the_gamer

Been out of the loop for a while? Dell has outsourced all of their Customer Service to Idiotland. Calling Dell is now an absolutely horrific experience. You have to wait while they go down their entire checklist of crap that you've all ready checked. At the Apple stores they will actually listen to you, and replace your product if it is not easily fixible.

ACER is not even a comparable company.

I've known a few people with Macs over the years and they all had problems with them. This is just anectodal evidence but it certainly didn't sell me on the myth most Mac people try to propagate that they are somehow immune from any and all technical problems.

OSX is generally more insecure then a Windows system
Cali3350

I've known a few people with Macs over the years and they all had problems with them. This is just anectodal evidence but it certainly didn't sell me on the myth most Mac people try to propagate that they are somehow immune from any and all technical problems.

JiveT

On the same hand, I have never had a problem with a Windows PC.

If you take good care of your machines, they will take care of you. Basically, you get out of it what you put into it. It is very rare for hardware to crap out for absolutely no reason. I have never had any significant piece of hardware break on me in my entire life- tvs, comps, consoles, audio players, anything.

apple computers are just teh crap and a piss off trying to work on. PnP wasn't even implemented untill around 2000, gaming is pretty much non existant the prices are bloody ridiculous.....3000$ for a mac which is really comparable to a 1200$ PC. The ONLY part of the apple computers that are decent is the exterior design. I don't understand why some people love mac so much....anything on mac is available on the pc.....mac really doesn't have anything unique.blaznwiipspman1

I love how all the hate in these threads has been from non-Mac owners. It just makes everything a joke, because there are very few people who know anything about Macs who actually don't like them.

They are over priced, lack power, over charge for everything, basicly evey system only has 1gb ram and you have to pay big bucks just to get the needed 2gb.

I doesn't matter what mac you look at you can get a pc equivelent for around $400-500nzd less with more cpu power ram, and hdd space. apple offers 80-120gb on most of its models while dell offers 250-320gb

And then there is the gpu, you can't even get a dedicated gpu in the 13' model, what a joke.

imprezawrx500

The price of Apple computers is balanced by the quality of them, you are getting what you pay for. And people seem to buy their products and they are consistantly getting more popular, so they must be doing something right. The components are of a much higher quality though and are guaranteed to work efficiently, Apple just has their standards in that department and there is nothing wrong with it. Windows runs like garbage because computers are not built with the hardware to run in unison, usually RAM has a different memory bandwidth then what the CPU has (like 800 Mhz on the RAM and 1300 or whatever on the processor) and not having them line up causes bottlenecks. The hardware is designed for Mac OSX and thus it runs the best on it, but you can still buy things like memory and upgrade it without having to spend the extra cash on Apple's own branded RAM which is more expensive, but you have to buy the right kind of memory as well.

And I don't see how their machines are under powered, they have less RAM because the OS does not use as much and having more just allows for more high end apps to be running at the same time. Most Vista desktops have 3 GB's of RAM because it requires that much, you only need 1 GB in a Mac and it will still run twice as fast one the same kind of processor. Windows is a resource hog and needs more memory, simple as that. I would not call the iMac dated hardware wise, the standard for most computers is around 2.0 Ghz on dual core technology, but it's too bad that most prebuilt machines use crappier processors like Pentium D or Centrino instead of the good quality Core 2 Duo or AMD Phenom processors.

People pay big bucks for macs so they can seem hip and 'new generation'. When people come over to your house and see your mac they go "cool you have a mac as well you are hip lets eat sushi."

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apple computers are just teh crap and a piss off trying to work on. PnP wasn't even implemented untill around 2000, gaming is pretty much non existant the prices are bloody ridiculous.....3000$ for a mac which is really comparable to a 1200$ PC. The ONLY part of the apple computers that are decent is the exterior design. I don't understand why some people love mac so much....anything on mac is available on the pc.....mac really doesn't have anything unique.blaznwiipspman1

:lol: Yeah 3000 dollars for a Mac Pro that takes a giant piss all over Windows machines seems like a huge rip off. How many Windows computers are capable of running two quad core processors and 32 GB's of RAM and be able to use it effectively? None could and won't for many years. Anyone could drop 20k on a really souped up Mac Pro and would not have to worry about upgrading the damn thing for 5+ years.

ahhh, the overflow of ininformed comments....

Oh well, heres my take on things, that could be totally wrong though


Macs.... well, they're pretty.... they tend to be expensive....... and, they're pretty.

Its actualy kind of hard to compare "macs" to "PCs" since well... theres like, 4 different kinds of macs you can choose to compare.... the barebones iMac, vs. the Mac Pro, MacBook, Macbook Pro, Macmini, etc. Also, it depends which generation you bought them in... ANYWAY

Lets just, go with iMac vs.. say... Dell XPS One, Since.. they're really the competing systems.

ok, since XPS one doesn't have higher than 20", we'll have to cmopare the lowest quality ones.

Mac
2.0GHz Core 2 Duo
20" display
1GB Ram (+150 for 2GB)
250GB HDD
(Very little Cutomization)
Software:
Mac OSX
Optional but required
Wireless M&KB 50

about 1400

Dell
2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo
20" display
2 GB ram
250GB HDD
(barely any customization)
Software:
Windows Vista
Adobe Elements (good deal)
Option but required
microsoft word 100

About 1400

OMG, they're the same!!!!

well tehre you go, in that area, they're pretty fairly priced.. lets move onto laptops.

We'll do the 17" Macbook Pro and 17" Dell Precision M6300

Mac
2.4GHz Core 2 Duo
2GB Ram
160 GB HDD
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics with 256MB SDRAM

2800

Dell
2.4GHz Core 2 Duo (+390)
2GB Ram (+75)
160 GB HDD (+180)
NVIDIA® Quadro FX 1600M 512MB TurboCache (256MB discrete)

2500


Mac comes out as a bit more expensive. But..... the mac is only 1" thin, while the dell is 1.6" thin... Thats a decently big difference.


anyway... i'm just bored, so im' posting a lot...


I personally have always found Dell way overpriced, and well.... just plain poor quality.. Even stranger, i buy Gateway computers.... but... whatever, To each thier own. I would prefer a Macbook Pro for a laptop over much of waht is out there, but as a "at home" computer, Windows based systems are more my sty-le specifically gateways or ownbuilt.

As far as portable media goes.. For "ultra portable" Ipod nano > Zune mini
Regulars
Zune > ipod

But.... I still think

Touch > Zune :)

Dells are over priced and unreliable. Dont tell me that I can run Mac OSX. Well guess what? My mac can run Windows too :). And why would i want my Mac to run Vista, i dont. Dont tell b/c of Media Center b/c the Front row apps are better and free tools. And the fact that you have to run out and buy a copy of Mac for Dells is crap. Macs's come with Leopard for free, do Dells?Arbiter1237

I love how all the hate in these threads has been from non-Mac owners. It just makes everything a joke, because there are very few people who know anything about Macs who actually don't like them. i_like_pizza

I don't dislike Macs. I've enjoyed the little bit of time I've spent with OS X..but Macs just aren't for me.

I generally don't see Apple as creating bad products. They're actually quite good, if a bit overpriced. But products like the Macbook Air are a complete joke imo. I'm still trying to figure out just who the hell they're marketing to with this thing. A weight difference of 2 lbs and supposed increase in "portability" doesn't even begin to make up for the lost functionality.

Students, for example, won't want it because it's extremely overpriced and has far fewer features than a "normal," fully functional and cheaper notebook. They can't even use it as a desktop replacement when they're at home without a freaking USB hub and a bunch of other damn attachments.

The market for this thing seems rather tiny. The Air is small, but that's really all it has going for it. Vastly underpowered. Overpriced (the only component that isn't overpriced, the SSD, is ironically a $1000 add-on.) For most people looking to buy a notebook, there are FAR better options. Even from Apple themselves.

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]OSX is generally more insecure then a Windows system
lowe0

Link

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Vista-More-Secure-than-Mac-OS-X-49487.shtml

And this is one of many reporting it. Hell google it and there are plenty.

I always thought it was well known OSX was the least secure OS....

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[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]I love how all the hate in these threads has been from non-Mac owners. It just makes everything a joke, because there are very few people who know anything about Macs who actually don't like them. Velocitas8

I don't dislike Macs. I've enjoyed the little bit of time I've spent with OS X..but Macs just aren't for me.

I generally don't see Apple as creating bad products. They're actually quite good, if a bit overpriced. But products like the Macbook Air are a complete joke imo. I'm still trying to figure out just who the hell they're marketing to with this thing. A weight difference of 2 lbs and supposed increase in "portability" doesn't even begin to make up for the lost functionality.

Students, for example, won't want it because it's extremely overpriced and has far fewer features than a "normal," fully functional and cheaper notebook. They can't even use it as a desktop replacement when they're at home without a freaking USB hub and a bunch of other damn attachments.

The market for this thing seems rather tiny. The Air is small, but that's really all it has going for it. Vastly underpowered. Overpriced (the only component that isn't overpriced, the SSD, is ironically a $1000 add-on.) For most people looking to buy a notebook, there are FAR better options. Even from Apple themselves.

The MBA will sell. There is a market for that. And if it's just trendy hipsters, then Apple has still succeeded at something. I don't see a problem with getting more products out on the market. Honestly, if they released the MBA for $1500, it would be underpriced, imo. Not based on what you get, but based on what its perceived value is. Putting it right between the MBP and the MB is a smart business decision. If people think it's worth it or they just don't do their research and find their better options, good for Apple. Their plan will have worked.

I have a MacBook Pro, and from the little bit of knowledge that I have about OS-X so far, I can say with a fair amount of confidence that I will never run Windows again unless it is an ABSOLUTE necessity to run a program. Macs do everything that a windows system can do and more, and I don't have to worry about security nearly to the degree that I do with my Windows comps.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Cali3350"]OSX is generally more insecure then a Windows system
skrat_01

Link

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Vista-More-Secure-than-Mac-OS-X-49487.shtml

And this is one of many reporting it. Hell google it and there are plenty.

I always thought it was well known OSX was the least secure OS....

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Operating systems themselves are virtually impenetrable. Usually malicious attacks are initiated through programs (such as IE). The reason Mac owners don't get viruses or trojans hardly at all (if ever) is that OS-X will warn you every time before you make a system-altering change. I don't have a whole lot of experience with Vista, but I know for certain that XP does not make it so easy to avoid downloading unwanted trash.

But, again, as far as cracking an OS itself, it's virtually impossible.

If people think it's worth it or they just don't do their research and find their better options, good for Apple. Their plan will have worked.

I have a MacBook Pro, and from the little bit of knowledge that I have about OS-X so far, I can say with a fair amount of confidence that I will never run Windows again unless it is an ABSOLUTE necessity to run a program. Macs do everything that a windows system can do and more, and I don't have to worry about security nearly to the degree that I do with my Windows comps.

i_like_pizza

People tend to do their research when they're about to throw down a couple thousand dollars on a product...don't you think?

Anyways, the only thing that constitutes a "Mac" is the operating system, OS X. The pieces of hardware used in Macs are identical to marketed PC hardware. You're only paying extra with a Mac for a pretty case and customer service.

As for Windows: the best defense against any sort of potential problem is a smart user. Browse safely and learn to identify malicious page scripts and executables. Problems solved.

Mac fans tend to vastly overstate the security problems with Windows. My personal experience: it's been a couple years since I've had malicious spyware or a virus on my system. I've had absolutely no issues with security. This coming from a user that runs with no firewall (my router takes care of this,) no phishing filters, and no malicious data execution prevention of any kind (manually disabled.) I even have UAC turned off. I don't scan executables for virii because I know what's safe and what likely isn't just by where it comes from.

I have virus and spyware detection/removal software just in case though. I haven't had a single malicious entry detected since I've installed this operating system (Vista Ultimate) months ago.

OS X isn't worth it to me. Windows has far more compatible applications and uses..and I don't see how OS X could be much more secure than Windows from where I'm standing. Maybe it's better for a user who knows nothing about how the system operates..but it isn't for myself.

If you enjoy Macs and OS X, good. Just don't try and convert me (not directing this at you, but Mac fans in general..whom I often find annoying.)

The reason Mac owners don't get viruses or trojans hardly at all (if ever) is that OS-X will warn you every time before you make a system-altering change.i_like_pizza

Yeah, Vista has the same thing with User Account Control. Basically, anything beyond changing the freaking desktop wallpaper will bring up a UAC dialogue box..

Many power users simply disable it.

Anyways, the reason Macs typically don't get virii is because almost nobody creates virii for OS X. Why? Because a malicious attack will have the largest effect if it's targetted at the largest userbase (Windows systems.) Simple as that.

If the installed Mac userbase keeps growing, we'll probably see more and more security flaws being exploited.

I concur.

Im on XP, and my free Zone Alarm and AVG have keept my computer(s) secure for over two years, and I am still to have gotten malicious spyware or a virus on my system(s).

Heck in two years using iMacs I had more problems than using my home PC for two years. Much more problems.
The fact is Macintosh computers suffer just as many problems, apple likes to state otherwise, for obvius reasons.

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]If people think it's worth it or they just don't do their research and find their better options, good for Apple. Their plan will have worked.

I have a MacBook Pro, and from the little bit of knowledge that I have about OS-X so far, I can say with a fair amount of confidence that I will never run Windows again unless it is an ABSOLUTE necessity to run a program. Macs do everything that a windows system can do and more, and I don't have to worry about security nearly to the degree that I do with my Windows comps.

Velocitas8

People tend to do their research when they're about to throw down a couple thousand dollars on a product...don't you think?

Anyways, the only thing that constitutes a "Mac" is the operating system, OS X. The pieces of hardware used in Macs are identical to marketed PC hardware. You're only paying extra with a Mac for a pretty case and customer service.

As for Windows: the best defense against any sort of potential problem is a smart user. Browse safely and learn to identify malicious page scripts and executables. Problems solved.

Mac fans tend to vastly overstate the security problems with Windows. My personal experience: it's been a couple years since I've had malicious spyware or a virus on my system. I've had absolutely no issues with security. This coming from a user that runs with no firewall (my router takes care of this,) no phishing filters, and no malicious data execution prevention of any kind (manually disabled.) I even have UAC turned off. I don't scan executables for virii because I know what's safe and what likely isn't just by where it comes from.

I have virus and spyware detection/removal software just in case though. I haven't had a single malicious entry detected since I've installed this operating system (Vista Ultimate) months ago.

OS X isn't worth it to me. Windows has far more compatible applications and uses..and I don't see how OS X could be much more secure than Windows from where I'm standing. Maybe it's better for a user who knows nothing about how the system operates..but it isn't for myself.

If you enjoy Macs and OS X, good. Just don't try and convert me (not directing this at you, but Mac fans in general..whom I often find annoying.)

I never have a problem with my PCs either. You're right in saying that a smart user is mostly the key to keeping a clean system.

And I'm curious, what compatibility issues are there with OS-X?

I concur.

Im on XP, and my free Zone Alarm and AVG have keept my computer(s) secure for over two years, and I am still to have gotten malicious spyware or a virus on my system(s).

Heck in two years using iMacs I had more problems than using my home PC for two years. Much more problems.
The fact is Macintosh computers suffer just as many problems, apple likes to state otherwise, for obvius reasons.

skrat_01

What "problems" did you have? and how did they arise?

It's not an apple stat that of the 100 most common malicious attacks, none of them affect Macs. So, seriously, what in the world happened to your Mac and how did you do it? If you can keep a PC safe, surely you're smart enough to keep a Mac safe.

I never have a problem with my PCs either. You're right in saying that a smart user is mostly the key to keeping a clean system.

And I'm curious, what compatibility issues are there with OS-X?

i_like_pizza

Application compatibility. All I meant by that is that there are more applications native to the Windows operating system. If OS X does everything you want it to and has all the applications you need though, that probably won't matter.

As long as I use Firefox, I don't have to worry. Fact.Dreams-Visions

Indeed..using something other than IE will solve alot of your problems (though I hear IE7 isn't so bad.)

I'm an Opera fanboy myself :P

Firefox is too memory hungry for my tastes. I've seen it consume upwards of 400MB of memory with only 2 browser tabs open.

I have a MacBook Pro, and from the little bit of knowledge that I have about OS-X so far, I can say with a fair amount of confidence that I will never run Windows again unless it is an ABSOLUTE necessity to run a program. Macs do everything that a windows system can do and more, and I don't have to worry about security nearly to the degree that I do with my Windows comps.

i_like_pizza

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

I have a MacBook Pro, and from the little bit of knowledge that I have about OS-X so far, I can say with a fair amount of confidence that I will never run Windows again unless it is an ABSOLUTE necessity to run a program. Macs do everything that a windows system can do and more, and I don't have to worry about security nearly to the degree that I do with my Windows comps.

AdrianWerner

Where do you live, then? Because you must not live in any country that is widely supported by Macs if you even had trouble surfing the web.

The "beauty" of Windows is the very thing that I hate about it most. Drivers, drivers, drivers, drivers. In order to get everything to work on it that's just supposed to work on it, you need drivers. Corrupted drivers, for some strange reason, however they appear, are the root cause of the infamous BSoD.

As far as devices are concerned, everything I have ever needed has worked on a Mac, and it has been easier with my Mac. Plug it in, and you're good to go. Programs, there is a little bit of a difference, depending on OS compatibility designed in the programs, but that has already been discussed. If you need things that Mac can't offer, then that's a perfectly good reason not to go with OS-X. But if you just say, "nothing works on OS-X" like so many people seem to do, that is not OK. And I know that you are one of the more knowledgable people in this thread, so I'm not accusing you of being a noob.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

I have a MacBook Pro, and from the little bit of knowledge that I have about OS-X so far, I can say with a fair amount of confidence that I will never run Windows again unless it is an ABSOLUTE necessity to run a program. Macs do everything that a windows system can do and more, and I don't have to worry about security nearly to the degree that I do with my Windows comps.

i_like_pizza

Where do you live, then? Because you must not live in any country that is widely supported by Macs if you even had trouble surfing the web.

The "beauty" of Windows is the very thing that I hate about it most. Drivers, drivers, drivers, drivers. In order to get everything to work on it that's just supposed to work on it, you need drivers. Corrupted drivers, for some strange reason, however they appear, are the root cause of the infamous BSoD.

As far as devices are concerned, everything I have ever needed has worked on a Mac, and it has been easier with my Mac. Plug it in, and you're good to go. Programs, there is a little bit of a difference, depending on OS compatibility designed in the programs, but that has already been discussed. If you need things that Mac can't offer, then that's a perfectly good reason not to go with OS-X. But if you just say, "nothing works on OS-X" like so many people seem to do, that is not OK. And I know that you are one of the more knowledgable people in this thread, so I'm not accusing you of being a noob.

In Poland. The net drivers for Neostrada are screwed up for Mac, the do work, but much worse than Windows ones and it's all much harder to manage. ANd that's the biggest net privider in the country, many smaller ones don't support OSX officialy at all. In work I use Lex (online law database), it works only on Windows. Every tech you buy at shop will surely work on PC, not everything will with MAcs( actualy that's a problem everywhere, not just in Poland, which made the "Japanese camera girl" Apple add simply a lie) and that's the whole point.

THere are very few (4,maybe 6) countries where Macs are "widely supported". Windows (and PCs overall) offer you freedom and versality, far beyond anything OSX can offer. But the price for it is less stability and more problems. It's true for both the OSes and hardware. The more freedom the platform gives you the more problematic it becomes. Platforms that limit your freedom have everything in control, so they are much less problematic. It's a trade-off and everyone has to decide for himself what he wants more: freedom or stability.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

I concur.

Im on XP, and my free Zone Alarm and AVG have keept my computer(s) secure for over two years, and I am still to have gotten malicious spyware or a virus on my system(s).

Heck in two years using iMacs I had more problems than using my home PC for two years. Much more problems.
The fact is Macintosh computers suffer just as many problems, apple likes to state otherwise, for obvius reasons.

i_like_pizza

What "problems" did you have? and how did they arise?

It's not an apple stat that of the 100 most common malicious attacks, none of them affect Macs. So, seriously, what in the world happened to your Mac and how did you do it? If you can keep a PC safe, surely you're smart enough to keep a Mac safe.

Word documents became corrupt, safari and firefox crashes, memory sticks data being wiped, system lock ups, photoshop crashing, psd files refusing to open or save, system restarts, system crashes - and I had a iMac die on me - a screen came up telling me to turn off the machine at the power button - while using safari and word - i did so and i would not turn back on.

I dont thin these are relative to virus ect. attacks though.

This is from using brand new iMacs for two years.

The crashes and corrupted documents were probably the worst. Especially when you're on a deadline, and the photoshop file you have been working on for the past two hours becomes corrupted - or photoshop crashes. Same with word documents. Safari crashes were just plain annoying.

So yes, my experiences with OSX have been less than glowing.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]As long as I use Firefox, I don't have to worry. Fact.Velocitas8

Indeed..using something other than IE will solve alot of your problems (though I hear IE7 isn't so bad.)

I'm an Opera fanboy myself :P

Firefox is too memory hungry for my tastes. I've seen it consume upwards of 400MB of memory with only 2 browser tabs open.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

and I've never had any pc or laptop break on me

i_like_pizza

Lies. That's their job. It's what they do. They break. ;P

I keep very good care of my PCs, and I have never had one break on me, either, but I can't say I've avoided anything such as the BSOD or about a billion trojans and viruses. Some problems are easily fixed, but sometimes, it just takes far more time than it's worth to find a fix.

well you can't have used pc much. A mac has crashed on me more recently than I've had a bsod. last time I had a bsod is like 2004 maybe 05 while I've had quite a few crasheds on macs in the last year

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

Is that why the MacBook Pro is the best laptop on the market at any price level (it might have been passed up by now)?

Apple doesn't make low-end products. That's not their problem, that's just the business decision they made, and it's working out well.

Their products GREATLY outperform their windows-based counterparts of similar specs. Windows hampers anything that's running it, so if you have a 2.2 Core 2 Duo running OS-X versus a Core 2 Duo running Vista, the comp running OS-X is going to outperform the one running Vista.

They make great products. They're priced higher than it would be to build your own comp, but they are not priced higher relative to anything from brands such as HP, Dell, Toshiba, etc.

xxxWigginsxxx

QFT! People still think that Macs arne't good for gaming. That's not the case anymore, things have changed. Plus OSX owns windows to the max. They are more secure and reliable than windows. The funny thing is that Macs run Vista better than PC's. Macs are expensive but they are not built cheap. I can't wait to get a Mac. Windows BLOWS!

there only reason macs seem more secure is that they have like 3% of the market while windows is like 90% there have been tests done that a mac can be hacked into faster than vista.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

first of all.. only 2d grahics are diominated by osx, 3d ones are dominated by pcs. second..what "countless other industries"? tyou bassicaly named every single one where macs beat PCs.

i_like_pizza

Well...I left out some like Architecture, etc, but yeah, seriously, it has a leg up in a few industries...

Honestly, I could *not* properly edit on a PC.

Actualy architecture is completely dominated by PCs, on the same level, if not more as Apple dominates 2D. AutoCad isn't even avaible on OSX. And those CAD apps that are on OSX are inferior to their PC counterparts.

But how is that a problem with Mac because Autodesk doesn't bring their program to OS-X? Virtually any animation or video or sound editing in any field is completely dominated by Mac.

Seriously, people, it's not because their products suck that so many people love them, and it's not that people are just brainwashed into believing they are really cool. Maybe, just maybe, Apple makes some good products.

wrong wrong wrong, macs only dominate in the 2d animation, once it goes 3d its all pc

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

Man, lots of Mac hate.

Just a question. How many of you own a Mac?

swamprat_basic

I don't hate Macs at all, I just know that they're overpriced and I know that you can't upgrade them without sending them back to the manufacturer which is a gigantic drawback which has yet to be rectified.

Basically, same reason I hate Dell. Except that I hate Dell because it has Vista preinstalled but it isn't quite as difficult in terms of upgradability and price markups, as I've demonstrated.

Overall, I'd cut them both out of the equation and build a Linux or XP-based PC unless I could use Mac OSX, which I have no problem with. I readily acknowledge its superiority over Vista and probably over XP despite having a teeny game lineup comparatively (and for most people, this doesn't matter at all).

You can upgrade the Mac towers yourself. Have been able to for years and years. I don't think you can upgrade the newer iMacs yourself, but there's nothing even comparable to them on the PC side.

the shuttle or the mini pcs are very much competing, more power and half the price of the imacs and you don't have to buy and new monitor every time and damage the environment even more like you do with all the mac waste with its intergrated monitors.

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

first of all.. only 2d grahics are diominated by osx, 3d ones are dominated by pcs. second..what "countless other industries"? tyou bassicaly named every single one where macs beat PCs.

AdrianWerner

Well...I left out some like Architecture, etc, but yeah, seriously, it has a leg up in a few industries...

Honestly, I could *not* properly edit on a PC.

Actualy architecture is completely dominated by PCs, on the same level, if not more as Apple dominates 2D. AutoCad isn't even avaible on OSX. And those CAD apps that are on OSX are inferior to their PC counterparts.

But how is that a problem with Mac because Autodesk doesn't bring their program to OS-X? Virtually any animation or video or sound editing in any field is completely dominated by Mac.

Seriously, people, it's not because their products suck that so many people love them, and it's not that people are just brainwashed into believing they are really cool. Maybe, just maybe, Apple makes some good products.

Well..and how is it PC's fault that Apple doesn't release Final Cut Pro on PC? You just need to pick the right OS. If you're going to do 2D or movie editing don't pick Windows, if you want to do 3D and architecture, don't pick OSX. If you want to do sound editing pick OSX, if you need office work, pick PC.Both OSes have their weaknesses and strenghts depending on what you want to do.

exactly, and for gaming and cad, osx just don't have it

[QUOTE="FEPowered390"]

All of you dumbies who hate apple. Ask this:

If you were rich, would you own an 8-Core Mac Pro w/ 8800 GT?

I have three Apple computers....and they are blazing, fast gamers.

/end thread.

AdrianWerner

If I were rich I would actualy get a computer with strongest GPU around, with GTX or Ultra, preferably with SLI, instead of good, but not best 8800gt

exactly 8800gt = the high mid range and you don't need to be rich to get one.