Apple need to make a Casual Console next Gen

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#1 Ultizer
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Apple are going to make a casual console next gen

Nintendo have a monopoly on the casual home console market at the moment

if apple make a casual consle like the wii, nintendo will be taken down a level and will try to make good games instead of just rehashing the same old and knowing it will sell millions because they have no competition

who agrees?

the hordes of apple fanboys will buy it
this is more about nintendo needing competition

look at SMG2, 10/10 reviews, despite being a rehash (really its just a copy and paste)
only nintendo can do that

besides, the wii 2 needs to be more than just a wii with slighty better graphics, how about some good online service and a bigger HDD?

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#2 MasterBolt360
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Only if they make hardcore games.

lol who am I kidding, its Apple! :lol:

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#3 shinrabanshou
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Casual consoles aren't priced exorbitantly high, so no.
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#4 Ultizer
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Casual consoles aren't priced exorbitantly high, so no.shinrabanshou

>casual consoles

you mean casual console? nintendo have no competition

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Not going to happen. 1. Apple has no first party studios to speak of. 2. Apple would have trouble attracting third parties due to their controlling nature. 3. Pippin 4. Apple hasn't priced a single product reasonably in over a decade. Remember the reaction to Sony's 599 US DOLLARS debacle? Well, imagine that. Except Apple doesn't have a history of making great consoles. Or any big name intellectual properties like Ratchet, Jak, God of War, Gran Turismo, Ape Escape, SOCOM, Resistance, Killzone, Uncharted, LBP, etc to fall back on. As an aside, your comments about Nintendo are so far beyond absurd I don't even know where to begin.
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#6 MonsieurX
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If they bring a console,it'll be price 2x the price as the competitor for pretty much the same thing...but with the apple logo
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Yeah, $50 retail Wii games would be hard to compete with $5-10 Apple party games. You might have something there. Only time will tell.

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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Casual consoles aren't priced exorbitantly high, so no.Ultizer

>casual consoles

you mean casual console? nintendo have no competition

1. What do you think Kinect and Move are? They're designed to help PS3 and 360 take away some of Wii's market share. 2. Wii also has tons of hardcore games.
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Well, that's something I won't have to buy.

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#10 Crazyguy105
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Apple doesn't even have their own devs. :lol:

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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Casual consoles aren't priced exorbitantly high, so no.Ultizer

>casual consoles

you mean casual console? nintendo have no competition

The 360 Arcade is the casual version of the Elite.

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na they should focus on the iphone/ipod touch they are in a position to seriously challenge Nintendo. the iphone 4 has some serious power some of the games are just about ps2 level and with 512mb ram I'm sure it could be pushed a lot further. For the same price as a 8gb pspgo you can get a 32gb ipod touch which will hold heaps of games and it has one of the best screens on mobile devices. You don't need buttons to have a great portable device. Some of the recent game are looking really good and there are some great looking 3d ones appearing now, Nintendo should watch out.
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no they dont.. they can just make a new over priced iphone every year. and people will call off work to line up tobuy them.

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Apple products are the worst on the market. I will never buy an Apple video game console.

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[QUOTE="savebattery"]Not going to happen. 1. Apple has no first party studios to speak of. 2. Apple would have trouble attracting third parties due to their controlling nature. 3. Pippin 4. Apple hasn't priced a single product reasonably in over a decade. Remember the reaction to Sony's 599 US DOLLARS debacle? Well, imagine that. Except Apple doesn't have a history of making great consoles. Or any big name intellectual properties like Ratchet, Jak, God of War, Gran Turismo, Ape Escape, SOCOM, Resistance, Killzone, Uncharted, LBP, etc to fall back on. As an aside, your comments about Nintendo are so far beyond absurd I don't even know where to begin.

1 doesn't stop there being a tone of great games for the iphone/ipod touch 2 psp/ds is far more closed than the ipod touch 3 gamecube 4 sure apple computers are expensive but the ipod is very competivily priced compared to other mp3 players and there aren't really any others that have the features of the ipod touch Just look at the itunes apps store to see apple already has lots of decent games, even games like splinter cell conviction are on the iphone and it has some of the best graphics on a moblie device. They wont have much of a problem attracting game devs for the low cost associated with developing iphone games compared to psp/ds.
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i think they will have apple tv with games and it will be like the ipad with cheap simple games apple will find some gimmick and be able to sell it even if its 500$

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i hte apple products. they try to be mandatory for evrything. wen i put itunesbon my conputer it forced me to put quicktime on it. i hate quicktime. and macs blow ass. and apple products are way to over priced. if they did make a console it wouldnt sell cuz no one can afford it and if its for the casual market then it rly qont selk any because thw casual people arent willing enough to go and spebd the money on somethibg like that wen they could jist stick with thw wii that they alrdy have
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No they don't, three is enough. But there is nothing stopping Apple from releasing a new iTV which has the hardware to play games that you may get on consoles and PCs.
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Pretty sure Nintendo is one of if not the best game developers around. I do agree that something has to be done to make nintendo work harder for good, committed third party support though,

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no they dont.. they can just make a new over priced iphone every year. and people will call off work to line up tobuy them.

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do you realize it cost pretty much the same as the competition's smart phones? apple's mobile devices are pretty much the same price as the equivalent for other companies. ds $130 dsi $189 psp $170 with no storage space ipod touch 8gb $175 psp go $250 (8gb) ipod touch 32gb $260 you want to tell how apple's mobile devices are overpriced? They give you more for the same price of sony.
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i hte apple products. they try to be mandatory for evrything. wen i put itunesbon my conputer it forced me to put quicktime on it. i hate quicktime. and macs blow ass. and apple products are way to over priced. if they did make a console it wouldnt sell cuz no one can afford it and if its for the casual market then it rly qont selk any because thw casual people arent willing enough to go and spebd the money on somethibg like that wen they could jist stick with thw wii that they alrdy haveevilmaster2424
it's you that is the problem, you can get itunes or quicktime or them both together. apple desktop computer are over priced but their laptops are not much more than a dell etc and they have like 2 time the battery life as well as looking much better. From reading though this thread I can see it's just people here hate apple for no reason that is backed up.
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Not going to happen. 1. Apple has no first party studios to speak of. 2. Apple would have trouble attracting third parties due to their controlling nature. 3. Pippin 4. Apple hasn't priced a single product reasonably in over a decade. Remember the reaction to Sony's 599 US DOLLARS debacle? Well, imagine that. Except Apple doesn't have a history of making great consoles. Or any big name intellectual properties like Ratchet, Jak, God of War, Gran Turismo, Ape Escape, SOCOM, Resistance, Killzone, Uncharted, LBP, etc to fall back on. As an aside, your comments about Nintendo are so far beyond absurd I don't even know where to begin.savebattery

Pretty much this.

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Apple doesn't even have their own devs. :lol:

Crazyguy105

I don't think they need to.

Steam is available on Macs now.

Game Centre will be available on iPhones/iPods

iPads virtually have no tablet competition

and http://au.wireless.ign.com/articles/106/1063222p1.htmlTop 25 iphone games.

though that doesn't also mention other games like Real Racing HD, Command and Conquer, Star Quest and iPad games

Heck Nintendo considers them the real competition not Sony's PSP.

Nintendo and Apple have more in common since they can target and appeal to a similair demographic.

Apple made mistakes like Pippin and Apple TV but then so have Nintendo with Virtual Boy, Powerglove and the less popular console N64, but that hasn't stopped them from learning from their mistakes and trying again.

Sony's PSP GO- we all have to admit here that this device is a failure, but that hasn't stopped Sony from releasing PSP2.

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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="savebattery"]Not going to happen. 1. Apple has no first party studios to speak of. 2. Apple would have trouble attracting third parties due to their controlling nature. 3. Pippin 4. Apple hasn't priced a single product reasonably in over a decade. Remember the reaction to Sony's 599 US DOLLARS debacle? Well, imagine that. Except Apple doesn't have a history of making great consoles. Or any big name intellectual properties like Ratchet, Jak, God of War, Gran Turismo, Ape Escape, SOCOM, Resistance, Killzone, Uncharted, LBP, etc to fall back on. As an aside, your comments about Nintendo are so far beyond absurd I don't even know where to begin.

1 doesn't stop there being a tone of great games for the iphone/ipod touch 2 psp/ds is far more closed than the ipod touch 3 gamecube 4 sure apple computers are expensive but the ipod is very competivily priced compared to other mp3 players and there aren't really any others that have the features of the ipod touch Just look at the itunes apps store to see apple already has lots of decent games, even games like splinter cell conviction are on the iphone and it has some of the best graphics on a moblie device. They wont have much of a problem attracting game devs for the low cost associated with developing iphone games compared to psp/ds.

1. First party is what drives a system, though. There's nothing stopping all of iOS's best games from going to DS or PSP. In fact, you're already seeing games like Angry Birds. On the other hand, you won't see games like Pokemon, Mario, Jak and Daxter, God of War, or Zelda on iOS because those franchises are the respective properties of Nintendo and Sony. 2. There's a difference between attracting major developers and small-time indie developers. Not that I'm saying indie developers are bad, but you need big name developer support if you're going to launch a platform. Especially if you have no first party. Remember, for every Nintendogs and Wii Sports there was a Mario, Zelda, Kirby, etc. As it stands right now, iOS is a wasteland for afterthought versions of major games. Take a look at Street Fighter IV for instance. 3. Gamecube sold over 20 million units and had hundreds of titles. Pippin sold less than 50 thousand units and had less than twenty titles. Big difference. 4. The console industry is a lot different from the PMP industry, and the iPod Touch is still very overpriced. There's a big difference between selling $1 to $5 dollar titles to people who bought the device for other reasons and selling a dedicated gaming machine with titles for $20-$60. Very few people bought an iPhone, iPad, or iPod for gaming purposes only. Most people bought them for use as phones, PMPs, PDAs, web devices, etc. Gaming was just an afterthought.
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="savebattery"]Not going to happen. 1. Apple has no first party studios to speak of. 2. Apple would have trouble attracting third parties due to their controlling nature. 3. Pippin 4. Apple hasn't priced a single product reasonably in over a decade. Remember the reaction to Sony's 599 US DOLLARS debacle? Well, imagine that. Except Apple doesn't have a history of making great consoles. Or any big name intellectual properties like Ratchet, Jak, God of War, Gran Turismo, Ape Escape, SOCOM, Resistance, Killzone, Uncharted, LBP, etc to fall back on. As an aside, your comments about Nintendo are so far beyond absurd I don't even know where to begin.savebattery
1 doesn't stop there being a tone of great games for the iphone/ipod touch 2 psp/ds is far more closed than the ipod touch 3 gamecube 4 sure apple computers are expensive but the ipod is very competivily priced compared to other mp3 players and there aren't really any others that have the features of the ipod touch Just look at the itunes apps store to see apple already has lots of decent games, even games like splinter cell conviction are on the iphone and it has some of the best graphics on a moblie device. They wont have much of a problem attracting game devs for the low cost associated with developing iphone games compared to psp/ds.

1. First party is what drives a system, though. There's nothing stopping all of iOS's best games from going to DS or PSP. In fact, you're already seeing games like Angry Birds. On the other hand, you won't see games like Pokemon, Mario, Jak and Daxter, God of War, or Zelda on iOS because those franchises are the respective properties of Nintendo and Sony. 2. There's a difference between attracting major developers and small-time indie developers. Not that I'm saying indie developers are bad, but you need big name developer support if you're going to launch a platform. Especially if you have no first party. Remember, for every Nintendogs and Wii Sports there was a Mario, Zelda, Kirby, etc. As it stands right now, iOS is a wasteland for afterthought versions of major games. Take a look at Street Fighter IV for instance. 3. Gamecube sold over 20 million units and had hundreds of titles. Pippin sold less than 50 thousand units and had less than twenty titles. Big difference. 4. The console industry is a lot different from the PMP industry, and the iPod Touch is still very overpriced. There's a big difference between selling $1 to $5 dollar titles to people who bought the device for other reasons and selling a dedicated gaming machine with titles for $20-$60. Very few people bought an iPhone, iPad, or iPod for gaming purposes only. Most people bought them for use as phones, PMPs, PDAs, web devices, etc. Gaming was just an afterthought.

if you compare the ipod touch to psp it is pretty much the same price and you get more and with the psp you have to buy a memory stick to make it usable adding to the cost while the ipod touch as 8gb for the one price around the same as the psp. Then the 8gb pspgo costs the same as the 32gb ipod touch. oh you call the ipod touch overpriced yet the dsi costs pretty much the same. first party titles are dying, look how well ms has done with pretty much no first party support. ubi activison and ea games are far far more important than all of sony's Microsoft's and Nintendo's games combined. If say all 3rd party devs only made games for pc console game would die very fast. The whole reason why no console has really won this gen like the last is is because all games are multiplat. ubi activison and ea all have games on the iphone. the quality of games on it is only growing. the ds is loading with crappy games as far as I'm concerned. Sure there are some good one but plenty of average junk that costs lots of money. I'd take tony hawk pro skate 2 any day over the Pokemon junk.

no big name devs huh?

gta china town wars is on the iphone

http://au.wireless.ign.com/objects/029/029854.html

along with nfs shift

http://au.wireless.ign.com/objects/032/032098.html

and a great halo substitute

http://au.wireless.ign.com/objects/031/031436.html

racer with better graphics than most ps2 games

http://au.wireless.ign.com/objects/143/14322786.html

anyone saying iphone is a joke for games hasn't looked into the huge development in games in the last few years.

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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] if you compare the ipod touch to psp it is pretty much the same price and you get more and with the psp you have to buy a memory stick to make it usable adding to the cost while the ipod touch as 8gb for the one price around the same as the psp.

Do you get a joystick with your iPod? Or a d-pad? Or buttons? Or physical media?
Then the 8gb pspgo costs the same as the 32gb ipod touch. imprezawrx500
PSP go is an awful failure. No argument from me. [QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] oh you call the ipod touch overpriced yet the dsi costs pretty much the same.

DSi is a much better gaming device.
first party titles are dying, imprezawrx500
Have you ANY idea how well Nintendogs, Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart DS, Animal Crossing Wild World, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo 3: ODST, God of War III, New Super Mario Bros, New Super Mario Bros Wii, Pokemon Heartgold/SoulSilver, Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, Wii Sports Resort, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, etc sold? [QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] look how well ms has done with pretty much no first party support.

Halo, Fable, Gears of War, Forza, Project Gotham Racing, Banjo, Viva Pinata, Perfect Dark, Kameo, and Crackdown. All of those titles were published by Microsoft, making them either first or second party.
ubi activison and ea games are far far more important than all of sony's Microsoft's and Nintendo's games combined. imprezawrx500
That's funny, considering all of the thirteen best selling games of this generation were published by Nintendo. [QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] If say all 3rd party devs only made games for pc console game would die very fast.

Nintendo could easily support a console with just its own intellectual properties. Easily. And Sony has a pretty damned impressive list of franchises too. And really, where would Xbox be without Halo, Fable, Forza, and PGR? [QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] The whole reason why no console has really won this gen like the last is is because all games are multiplat.

Uhh... Nintendo has clearly won this generation in terms of sales.

ubi activison and ea all have games on the iphone. imprezawrx500
Most of those are just afterthought cash-ins. [QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] the quality of games on it is only growing. the ds is loading with crappy games as far as I'm concerned.

HAHAHAHAHAHHA. Ha. Sure there are some good one but plenty of average junk that costs lots of money. I'd take tony hawk pro skate 2 any day over the Pokemon junk.

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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="savebattery"]Not going to happen. 1. Apple has no first party studios to speak of. 2. Apple would have trouble attracting third parties due to their controlling nature. 3. Pippin 4. Apple hasn't priced a single product reasonably in over a decade. Remember the reaction to Sony's 599 US DOLLARS debacle? Well, imagine that. Except Apple doesn't have a history of making great consoles. Or any big name intellectual properties like Ratchet, Jak, God of War, Gran Turismo, Ape Escape, SOCOM, Resistance, Killzone, Uncharted, LBP, etc to fall back on. As an aside, your comments about Nintendo are so far beyond absurd I don't even know where to begin.savebattery
1 doesn't stop there being a tone of great games for the iphone/ipod touch 2 psp/ds is far more closed than the ipod touch 3 gamecube 4 sure apple computers are expensive but the ipod is very competivily priced compared to other mp3 players and there aren't really any others that have the features of the ipod touch Just look at the itunes apps store to see apple already has lots of decent games, even games like splinter cell conviction are on the iphone and it has some of the best graphics on a moblie device. They wont have much of a problem attracting game devs for the low cost associated with developing iphone games compared to psp/ds.

1. First party is what drives a system, though. There's nothing stopping all of iOS's best games from going to DS or PSP. In fact, you're already seeing games like Angry Birds. On the other hand, you won't see games like Pokemon, Mario, Jak and Daxter, God of War, or Zelda on iOS because those franchises are the respective properties of Nintendo and Sony. 2. There's a difference between attracting major developers and small-time indie developers. Not that I'm saying indie developers are bad, but you need big name developer support if you're going to launch a platform. Especially if you have no first party. Remember, for every Nintendogs and Wii Sports there was a Mario, Zelda, Kirby, etc. As it stands right now, iOS is a wasteland for afterthought versions of major games. Take a look at Street Fighter IV for instance. 3. Gamecube sold over 20 million units and had hundreds of titles. Pippin sold less than 50 thousand units and had less than twenty titles. Big difference. 4. The console industry is a lot different from the PMP industry, and the iPod Touch is still very overpriced. There's a big difference between selling $1 to $5 dollar titles to people who bought the device for other reasons and selling a dedicated gaming machine with titles for $20-$60. Very few people bought an iPhone, iPad, or iPod for gaming purposes only. Most people bought them for use as phones, PMPs, PDAs, web devices, etc. Gaming was just an afterthought.

Xbox360 is doing fine with relatively little 1st party support, seems more so then Sony and "teh" graphics king exclusives so same can be said about Apple then.

no 1st party support on Mac has not stopped Valve from supporting Mac with Steam and they did demo what the iPhone is capable of as well as Epic.

So what if gaming is an afterthought on iPhones/iPods/iPads/iMacs or anything Apple- it's stillvery popular and quite successful enough to garner dedicated forums on game websites like this one and gamefaqs.com on gaming.

I wouldn't be surprised with the advantage of a phone and ever ready games machine more people would play games on their iPhone then PSP owners

Nintendo considers Apple the threat, not Sony's PSP-thats from a company that has owned the handheld gaming market for close to 15 years!

Apple very much owns the portable music player market-Sony is irrelevant in it

Apple is now a major player on the smart phone market

They now dominate Amazon Kindle in the eBooks market

Apple is considered the most valuable tech company in the world

ohh... and what about Street Fighter 4 on the iPhone?

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[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] 1 doesn't stop there being a tone of great games for the iphone/ipod touch 2 psp/ds is far more closed than the ipod touch 3 gamecube 4 sure apple computers are expensive but the ipod is very competivily priced compared to other mp3 players and there aren't really any others that have the features of the ipod touch Just look at the itunes apps store to see apple already has lots of decent games, even games like splinter cell conviction are on the iphone and it has some of the best graphics on a moblie device. They wont have much of a problem attracting game devs for the low cost associated with developing iphone games compared to psp/ds. imprezawrx500

1. First party is what drives a system, though. There's nothing stopping all of iOS's best games from going to DS or PSP. In fact, you're already seeing games like Angry Birds. On the other hand, you won't see games like Pokemon, Mario, Jak and Daxter, God of War, or Zelda on iOS because those franchises are the respective properties of Nintendo and Sony. 2. There's a difference between attracting major developers and small-time indie developers. Not that I'm saying indie developers are bad, but you need big name developer support if you're going to launch a platform. Especially if you have no first party. Remember, for every Nintendogs and Wii Sports there was a Mario, Zelda, Kirby, etc. As it stands right now, iOS is a wasteland for afterthought versions of major games. Take a look at Street Fighter IV for instance. 3. Gamecube sold over 20 million units and had hundreds of titles. Pippin sold less than 50 thousand units and had less than twenty titles. Big difference. 4. The console industry is a lot different from the PMP industry, and the iPod Touch is still very overpriced. There's a big difference between selling $1 to $5 dollar titles to people who bought the device for other reasons and selling a dedicated gaming machine with titles for $20-$60. Very few people bought an iPhone, iPad, or iPod for gaming purposes only. Most people bought them for use as phones, PMPs, PDAs, web devices, etc. Gaming was just an afterthought.

if you compare the ipod touch to psp it is pretty much the same price and you get more and with the psp you have to buy a memory stick to make it usable adding to the cost while the ipod touch as 8gb for the one price around the same as the psp. Then the 8gb pspgo costs the same as the 32gb ipod touch. oh you call the ipod touch overpriced yet the dsi costs pretty much the same. first party titles are dying, look how well ms has done with pretty much no first party support. ubi activison and ea games are far far more important than all of sony's Microsoft's and Nintendo's games combined. If say all 3rd party devs only made games for pc console game would die very fast. The whole reason why no console has really won this gen like the last is is because all games are multiplat. ubi activison and ea all have games on the iphone. the quality of games on it is only growing. the ds is loading with crappy games as far as I'm concerned. Sure there are some good one but plenty of average junk that costs lots of money. I'd take tony hawk pro skate 2 any day over the Pokemon junk.

no big name devs huh?

gta china town wars is on the iphone

http://au.wireless.ign.com/objects/029/029854.html

along with nfs shift

http://au.wireless.ign.com/objects/032/032098.html

and a great halo substitute

http://au.wireless.ign.com/objects/031/031436.html

racer with better graphics than most ps2 games

http://au.wireless.ign.com/objects/143/14322786.html

anyone saying iphone is a joke for games hasn't looked into the huge development in games in the last few years.

or don't actually have an iPhone/iPod and tried those games, ignores the dedicated forums on iPod/iPhone gaming on Gamespot and Gamefaqs.