Are Console Gamers Hardcore?

I would never classify any game on a console, or any console only gamer as hardcore. I feel this way because first, the console primarily stands for a corporate dictated platform devoid of any free thought. Lets face it, other than snapping a new face-plate on your corporate controlled box, a console certainly doesn't lend itself to any personal user made "creation".

Conversely a PC allows people to either purchase a "custom" PC that they personally spec out or even more open ended, build their own. Either choice takes far more consideration and thought than purchasing any SKU of a console from a major market share driven corporation where most employees most likely have no clue about video gaming. Also PC gaming takes a bit more thought because it takes a little bit more $$ to have freedom of choice.

Secondly, gaming on a couch, where you must wear a bib to prevent drooling on yourself when you fall asleep because you are removed from the gaming enviroment, hardly conjures images of "hardcore". Lets face it, console gamers like to lie on the couch with a simplified input device and have the entertainment "delivered" to them. Gears of Bore proves this point: the gameplay is numb, mindless, and devoid of any thought provoction or intense immersion. Gears of Bore is considered hardcore by the truly faint of heart despite the reality of it being nothing more than a boring snore-fest gameplay wise.

Thirdly, for example, if a gamer has a good PC, buys Crysis, loves the open ended environments, decides that the possibilities of its open "sandbox" style gameplay salivates their creative concience, can simply open the editor, learn AI flowgraphs, learn and design levels, post these levels on websites and access other quality user created content for free while contributing to other gamers enjoyment, just for the sake of creating something, and so on.....and maybe is so good you get noticed by a developer, heh!................. Well....that is hardcore, consolites. This puts PC gaming leagues ahead of any wanna-be-harcore console gamer who thinks they are hardcore, but is really playing a lame game called Gears of Bore.

Are there any other questions?

Yeah only PC gamers are hardcore. Infact, console gamers don't even play games seriously. They play them maybe once a millenium. Well, atleast the "good" games. They play Cooking Mama and Elmo's 1,2,3's all day.

Yeah only PC gamers are hardcore. Infact, console gamers don't even play games seriously. They play them maybe once a millenium. Well, atleast the "good" games. They play Cooking Mama and Elmo's 1,2,3's all day.

RobEsp

Hannah Montana is where its at.

I'll skip the nonsense and just answer the question posed in the title: Yes, they can be.

Hardcore isn't about what game or system you play, or where you play it.

Yes, all console gamers play on couches and fall asleep during gaming. We also all take part in customizing our 360s with face plates.

[QUOTE="RobEsp"]

Yeah only PC gamers are hardcore. Infact, console gamers don't even play games seriously. They play them maybe once a millenium. Well, atleast the "good" games. They play Cooking Mama and Elmo's 1,2,3's all day.

whocares4peace

Hannah Montana is where its at.

I remember beating Hannah Montana on Princess mode.

I was extremely happy. I felt like I just saved the world.

But that feeling is now ruined. I have to face the realization that as a console gamer, I am not hardcore, infact i'm not even a gamer. I'm an illusion, when PC is mentioned the console gamer is a mere spec. We are nothing in this world and people would rather be seen with a serial killer, rapist or terrorist than us.

I'll skip the nonsense and just answer the question posed in the title: Yes, they can be.

Hardcore isn't about what game or system you play, or where you play it.

Corvin

So you will admit that two old dudes playing Wii Sports with the Wii-mote is just as hardcore as two adolescents co-opting through Gears of Bore?

I like that, and believe that to be true too.

[QUOTE="Corvin"]

I'll skip the nonsense and just answer the question posed in the title: Yes, they can be.

Hardcore isn't about what game or system you play, or where you play it.

Subcritical

So you will admit that two old dudes playing Wii Sports with the Wii-mote is just as hardcore as two adolescents co-opting through Gears of Bore?

I like that, and believe that to be true too.

No, what he's saying is that two old dudes playing Cooking Mama are as hardcore as two gamers playing Counter Strike in an MLG tournament.

But if you want to feel superior, i'll just lie and say that PC gamers > God and that we should address each PC gamer with "Yes Master" at the beginning of a statement and "Okay Master" at the end.

Hardcore **

Generally considered to be a longtime, dedicated gamer with a deep love for the medium. Hardcore gamers have typically played a large number of games, follow industry news, and have a genuine interest both in playing videogames and the hobby as a whole. The hardcore demographic also includes those gamers who become dedicated to the development of games.

*sniff sniff* something smells like crablinkin_guy109

What you were thinking of ? :D

To the TC's question: Yes

Hardcore **

Generally considered to be a longtime, dedicated gamer with a deep love for the medium. Hardcore gamers have typically played a large number of games, follow industry news, and have a genuine interest both in playing videogames and the hobby as a whole. The hardcore demographic also includes those gamers who become dedicated to the development of games.

Azhar85

You have to be a casual. Who uses the dictionary's term?

Hardcore means you game on a PC. End of story. The dictionary just wasn't worthy enough to put PC in it.

Hardcore **

Generally considered to be a longtime, dedicated gamer with a deep love for the medium. Hardcore gamers have typically played a large number of games, follow industry news, and have a genuine interest both in playing videogames and the hobby as a whole. The hardcore demographic also includes those gamers who become dedicated to the development of games.

Azhar85

you see this pc fans? nowhere in it does it mention pc or consoles, pc fans are no more dedicated to a game then a console fan is

[QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

I'll skip the nonsense and just answer the question posed in the title: Yes, they can be.

Hardcore isn't about what game or system you play, or where you play it.

RobEsp

So you will admit that two old dudes playing Wii Sports with the Wii-mote is just as hardcore as two adolescents co-opting through Gears of Bore?

I like that, and believe that to be true too.

No, what he's saying is that two old dudes playing Cooking Mama are as hardcore as two gamers playing Counter Strike in an MLG tournament.

But if you want to feel superior, i'll just lie and say that PC gamers > God and that we should address each PC gamer with "Yes Master" at the beginning of a statement and "Okay Master" at the end.

Superior? The real point of this thread is to point out that Lemmings think they are superior(hardcore) to other console gamers, especially Wii gamers. The hard fact is lemmings are no more hardcore than Gramps playing bowling with his Wii mote.

And gamers that have a PC are what drive this whole industry forward because the PC is open ended and fosters user made content and creation. This content and creation is generally free and actually drives the industry (including the lemmings gaming experience) forward.

Do you understand? Or should I be more clear?

[QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

I'll skip the nonsense and just answer the question posed in the title: Yes, they can be.

Hardcore isn't about what game or system you play, or where you play it.

RobEsp

So you will admit that two old dudes playing Wii Sports with the Wii-mote is just as hardcore as two adolescents co-opting through Gears of Bore?

I like that, and believe that to be true too.

No, what he's saying is that two old dudes playing Cooking Mama are as hardcore as two gamers playing Counter Strike in an MLG tournament.

But if you want to feel superior, i'll just lie and say that PC gamers > God and that we should address each PC gamer with "Yes Master" at the beginning of a statement and "Okay Master" at the end.

Actually what I'm saying is that if you are truly passionate about your gaming, and you take it seriously, it doesn't matter what system you play or what games you play.

Console gamers can't be hardcore? Well it seems your definition of hardcore is something no one's ever heard of before.

Hardcore is all about your attitude towards game, and the quality and manner in which you play them. If you dedicate 3 months of your life to getting a maximum karma score on Ninja Gaiden, or SS all 20 missions on DMC3 DMD mode, you are hardcore. No one can argue otherwise. It take skill and precision.

I am so damn tired with all this Hermit elitism around here :|

[QUOTE="RobEsp"][QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

I'll skip the nonsense and just answer the question posed in the title: Yes, they can be.

Hardcore isn't about what game or system you play, or where you play it.

Corvin

So you will admit that two old dudes playing Wii Sports with the Wii-mote is just as hardcore as two adolescents co-opting through Gears of Bore?

I like that, and believe that to be true too.

No, what he's saying is that two old dudes playing Cooking Mama are as hardcore as two gamers playing Counter Strike in an MLG tournament.

But if you want to feel superior, i'll just lie and say that PC gamers > God and that we should address each PC gamer with "Yes Master" at the beginning of a statement and "Okay Master" at the end.

Actually what I'm saying is that if you are truly passionate about your gaming, and you take it seriously, it doesn't matter what system you play or what games you play.

Yeah I know what you were trying to say. I just wanted to piss the gods off.

[QUOTE="RobEsp"][QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

I'll skip the nonsense and just answer the question posed in the title: Yes, they can be.

Hardcore isn't about what game or system you play, or where you play it.

Subcritical

So you will admit that two old dudes playing Wii Sports with the Wii-mote is just as hardcore as two adolescents co-opting through Gears of Bore?

I like that, and believe that to be true too.

No, what he's saying is that two old dudes playing Cooking Mama are as hardcore as two gamers playing Counter Strike in an MLG tournament.

But if you want to feel superior, i'll just lie and say that PC gamers > God and that we should address each PC gamer with "Yes Master" at the beginning of a statement and "Okay Master" at the end.

Superior? The real point of this thread is to point out that Lemmings think they are superior(hardcore) to other console gamers, especially Wii gamers. The hard fact is lemmings are no more hardcore than Gramps playing bowling with his Wii mote.

And gamers that have a PC are what drive this whole industry forward because the PC is open ended and fosters user made content and creation. This content and creation is generally free and actually drives the industry (including the lemmings gaming experience) forward.

Do you understand? Or should I be more clear?

No Master you do not need to be more clear. I understand.

PC Gaming > God

I feel honored that you decided to converse with me.

I'm special! :D

Console gamers can't be hardcore? Well it seems your definition of hardcore is something no one's ever heard of before.

Hardcore is all about your attitude towards game, and the quality and manner in which you play them. If you dedicate 3 months of your life to getting a maximum karma score on Ninja Gaiden, or SS all 20 missions on DMC3 DMD mode, you are hardcore. No one can argue otherwise. It take skill and precision.

I am so damn tired with all this Hermit elitism around here :|

_Dispair_

I really don't think console gamers are hardcore. Nope. And the fact that you've never heard of what I typed is proof.

Sitting on your couch for three months trying to play tedium? What do you have to show for it at the end of the 3 month period?

Nothing. Because you just have partakin in casual entertainment. Kind of like watching Star Wars for three months.

[QUOTE="Azhar85"]

Hardcore **

Generally considered to be a longtime, dedicated gamer with a deep love for the medium. Hardcore gamers have typically played a large number of games, follow industry news, and have a genuine interest both in playing videogames and the hobby as a whole. The hardcore demographic also includes those gamers who become dedicated to the development of games.

linkin_guy109

you see this pc fans? nowhere in it does it mention pc or consoles, pc fans are no more dedicated to a game then a console fan is

i take it from caseywagner (mod) post in "Welcome To System Wars"..it's very simple

[QUOTE="Corvin"][QUOTE="RobEsp"][QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

I'll skip the nonsense and just answer the question posed in the title: Yes, they can be.

Hardcore isn't about what game or system you play, or where you play it.

RobEsp

So you will admit that two old dudes playing Wii Sports with the Wii-mote is just as hardcore as two adolescents co-opting through Gears of Bore?

I like that, and believe that to be true too.

No, what he's saying is that two old dudes playing Cooking Mama are as hardcore as two gamers playing Counter Strike in an MLG tournament.

But if you want to feel superior, i'll just lie and say that PC gamers > God and that we should address each PC gamer with "Yes Master" at the beginning of a statement and "Okay Master" at the end.

Actually what I'm saying is that if you are truly passionate about your gaming, and you take it seriously, it doesn't matter what system you play or what games you play.

Yeah I know what you were trying to say. I just wanted to piss the gods off.

Ahh, I understand.

Be careful, though, an angry god is a vengeful god. You might be smitten!

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"][QUOTE="Azhar85"]

Hardcore **

Generally considered to be a longtime, dedicated gamer with a deep love for the medium. Hardcore gamers have typically played a large number of games, follow industry news, and have a genuine interest both in playing videogames and the hobby as a whole. The hardcore demographic also includes those gamers who become dedicated to the development of games.

Azhar85

you see this pc fans? nowhere in it does it mention pc or consoles, pc fans are no more dedicated to a game then a console fan is

i take it from caseywagner (mod) post in "Welcome To System Wars"..it's very simple

Well CaseyWegner apparently has defied the gods and should be tortured for twelve months.

[QUOTE="RobEsp"][QUOTE="Corvin"][QUOTE="RobEsp"][QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

I'll skip the nonsense and just answer the question posed in the title: Yes, they can be.

Hardcore isn't about what game or system you play, or where you play it.

Corvin

So you will admit that two old dudes playing Wii Sports with the Wii-mote is just as hardcore as two adolescents co-opting through Gears of Bore?

I like that, and believe that to be true too.

No, what he's saying is that two old dudes playing Cooking Mama are as hardcore as two gamers playing Counter Strike in an MLG tournament.

But if you want to feel superior, i'll just lie and say that PC gamers > God and that we should address each PC gamer with "Yes Master" at the beginning of a statement and "Okay Master" at the end.

Actually what I'm saying is that if you are truly passionate about your gaming, and you take it seriously, it doesn't matter what system you play or what games you play.

Yeah I know what you were trying to say. I just wanted to piss the gods off.

Ahh, I understand.

Be careful, though, an angry god is a vengeful god. You might be smitten!

In love?

[QUOTE="_Dispair_"]

Console gamers can't be hardcore? Well it seems your definition of hardcore is something no one's ever heard of before.

Hardcore is all about your attitude towards game, and the quality and manner in which you play them. If you dedicate 3 months of your life to getting a maximum karma score on Ninja Gaiden, or SS all 20 missions on DMC3 DMD mode, you are hardcore. No one can argue otherwise. It take skill and precision.

I am so damn tired with all this Hermit elitism around here :|

Subcritical

I really don't think console gamers are hardcore. Nope. And the fact that you've never heard of what I typed is proof.

Sitting on your couch for three months trying to play tedium? What do you have to show for it at the end of the 3 month period?

Nothing. Because you just have partakin in casual entertainment. Kind of like watching Star Wars for three months.

Dude, what did you expect to get from gaming? :|

If you play a tough game until you beat it, you've developed better gaming skills. What else do you want? Should a twinkie pop out of the disc drive when you win or something?

Gaming on a couch means you aren't hard core?

Smells like a sad troll to me.

Many PC gamers are extremely casual, and many console gamers are hardcore. The systems(s) you play on don't decide which category you fall into. How you play them does.

In love?

mjarantilla

No no, the other definition of smitten. The painful one... wait... they're both pretty painful sometimes...

Some are some aren't. Just like PC gamers.

None of the reasons TC posted were specifications I've ever heard for being a hardcore gamer.

I'm pretty sure the specifications are to have played through 3 generations and to have owned a high end PC for at least one generation.

[QUOTE="Subcritical"]

Superior? The real point of this thread is to point out that Lemmings think they are superior(hardcore) to other console gamers, especially Wii gamers. The hard fact is lemmings are no more hardcore than Gramps playing bowling with his Wii mote.

And gamers that have a PC are what drive this whole industry forward because the PC is open ended and fosters user made content and creation. This content and creation is generally free and actually drives the industry (including the lemmings gaming experience) forward.

Do you understand? Or should I be more clear?

RobEsp

No Master you do not need to be more clear. I understand.

Sadly, I don't think you do understand.

Hardcore. What does it mean?

Does it mean that you passively sit on the couch and play a game for 6 hours? That's easy isn't it?

Don't you wonder how things are done? Don't your games make you want to understand what you've just experienced. Don't you want your games to immerse you into a fabricated, fantastic world and try to understand what went into making that world, and attemp to make it even better?

Nope. I guess not.

You're not hardcore.

[QUOTE="_Dispair_"]

Console gamers can't be hardcore? Well it seems your definition of hardcore is something no one's ever heard of before.

Hardcore is all about your attitude towards game, and the quality and manner in which you play them. If you dedicate 3 months of your life to getting a maximum karma score on Ninja Gaiden, or SS all 20 missions on DMC3 DMD mode, you are hardcore. No one can argue otherwise. It take skill and precision.

I am so damn tired with all this Hermit elitism around here :|

Subcritical

I really don't think console gamers are hardcore. Nope. And the fact that you've never heard of what I typed is proof.

Sitting on your couch for three months trying to play tedium? What do you have to show for it at the end of the 3 month period?

Nothing. Because you just have partakin in casual entertainment. Kind of like watching Star Wars for three months.

When did I say I didn't know what you typed? You're putting words in my mouth, and they taste disgusting. It's just that your definition of hardcore is different. Hardcore is all about the effort, skill and attitude you put into games. If you wanna say otherwise fine then, it means nothing because few share your opinion :)

I used to be hardcore PC gamer but had to switch to consoles because

PC aviasims - gone

PC autosims - gone

PC TBS (like JA/UFO/HoMM 3) - gone

PC RPG - gone (which left now are multiplats)

PC real time strategies - one left, Total War.

PC racing games (like NFS 5) - gone

PC shooters - consoles have the edge now.

PC tactics shooters - consoles only (GRAW) or multiplats (R6).

Don't care about RTS/MO.

None of the reasons TC posted were specifications I've ever heard for being a hardcore gamer.

meetroid8

Most people seem to make it up as they go along. Whatever fits their ego best.

[QUOTE="RobEsp"][QUOTE="Subcritical"]

Superior? The real point of this thread is to point out that Lemmings think they are superior(hardcore) to other console gamers, especially Wii gamers. The hard fact is lemmings are no more hardcore than Gramps playing bowling with his Wii mote.

And gamers that have a PC are what drive this whole industry forward because the PC is open ended and fosters user made content and creation. This content and creation is generally free and actually drives the industry (including the lemmings gaming experience) forward.

Do you understand? Or should I be more clear?

Subcritical

No Master you do not need to be more clear. I understand.

Sadly, I don't think you do understand.

Hardcore. What does it mean?

Does it mean that you passively sit on the couch and play a game for 6 hours? That's easy isn't it?

Don't you wonder how things are done? Don't your games make you want to understand what you've just experienced. Don't you want your games to immerse you into a fabricated, fantastic world and try to understand what went into making that world, and attemp to make it even better?

Nope. I guess not.

You're not hardcore.

What? What if you stay on your coach for 6 hours, upload your score and find out your one of the best in the world? That's damn hardcore. Using your logic, one cannot be a good chess player if he has no knowledge of how the chess pieces were constructed. Did you understand that? If not please gee-tee-eff-oh

I'll skip the nonsense and just answer the question posed in the title: Yes, they can be.

Hardcore isn't about what game or system you play, or where you play it.

Corvin

It's a shame that some PC gamers have such huge superiority complexes that they can't realize that for themselves.

[QUOTE="RobEsp"][QUOTE="Subcritical"]

Superior? The real point of this thread is to point out that Lemmings think they are superior(hardcore) to other console gamers, especially Wii gamers. The hard fact is lemmings are no more hardcore than Gramps playing bowling with his Wii mote.

And gamers that have a PC are what drive this whole industry forward because the PC is open ended and fosters user made content and creation. This content and creation is generally free and actually drives the industry (including the lemmings gaming experience) forward.

Do you understand? Or should I be more clear?

Subcritical

No Master you do not need to be more clear. I understand.

Sadly, I don't think you do understand.

Hardcore. What does it mean?

Does it mean that you passively sit on the couch and play a game for 6 hours? That's easy isn't it?

Don't you wonder how things are done? Don't your games make you want to understand what you've just experienced. Don't you want your games to immerse you into a fabricated, fantastic world and try to understand what went into making that world, and attemp to make it even better?

Nope. I guess not.

You're not hardcore.

No Master I do understand. I am your inferior and should be cherishing this moment. Which I have. I'm going to print this and show all my friends that I was lucky enough to talk to a god. :D

How you play them does.

BuryMe

I'm just dying to hear this one explained.

What exactly do you mean by How you play them does?

Like.......using a Wii mote isn't hardcore, but using a 360 controller is?

Or playing the Sims on a PC and watching your cyber family develop over a few months isn't hardcore, but playing a boring snorefest like Gears of War on "Hardcore" setting with a 360 is hardcore?

Please, amuse me.....

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

How you play them does.

Subcritical

I'm just dying to hear this one explained.

What exactly do you mean by How you play them does?

Like.......using a Wii mote isn't hardcore, but using a 360 controller is?

Or playing the Sims on a PC and watching your cyber family develop over a few months isn't hardcore, but playing a boring snorefest like Gears of War on "Hardcore" setting with a 360 is hardcore?

Please, amuse me.....

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

How you play them does.

Subcritical

I'm just dying to hear this one explained.

What exactly do you mean by How you play them does?

Like.......using a Wii mote isn't hardcore, but using a 360 controller is?

Or playing the Sims on a PC and watching your cyber family develop over a few months isn't hardcore, but playing a boring snorefest like Gears of War on "Hardcore" setting with a 360 is hardcore?

Please, amuse me.....

No, he meant how you play it, as in your attitude towards playing the game. Sims can be hardcore if you totally devote mind to the game and unlock everything, getting the best possible score and finishing the game to it's fullest extent.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

How you play them does.

Subcritical

I'm just dying to hear this one explained.

What exactly do you mean by How you play them does?

Like.......using a Wii mote isn't hardcore, but using a 360 controller is?

Or playing the Sims on a PC and watching your cyber family develop over a few months isn't hardcore, but playing a boring snorefest like Gears of War on "Hardcore" setting with a 360 is hardcore?

Please, amuse me.....

Same thing for any game on any system. That's a better indication of weather or not some one is hardcore than what system they are playing their games on.

[QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]

How you play them does.

Vandalvideo

I'm just dying to hear this one explained.

What exactly do you mean by How you play them does?

Like.......using a Wii mote isn't hardcore, but using a 360 controller is?

Or playing the Sims on a PC and watching your cyber family develop over a few months isn't hardcore, but playing a boring snorefest like Gears of War on "Hardcore" setting with a 360 is hardcore?

Please, amuse me.....

:shock:

This looks like it could get ugly.

A god vs a god. EVERYONE RUN!

[QUOTE="Corvin"]

I'll skip the nonsense and just answer the question posed in the title: Yes, they can be.

Hardcore isn't about what game or system you play, or where you play it.

Subcritical

So you will admit that two old dudes playing Wii Sports with the Wii-mote is just as hardcore as two adolescents co-opting through Gears of Bore?

I like that, and believe that to be true too.

All i know Wii is hardcore. For xbox 360 and ps3 the only games that are hardcore is racing like PGR series and Ridge Racers series. FPS Games and strategy is just too hard to move around especially inverted.