Are Console Gamers Hardcore?

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

How you play them does.

Subcritical

I'm just dying to hear this one explained.

What exactly do you mean by How you play them does?

Like.......using a Wii mote isn't hardcore, but using a 360 controller is?

Or playing the Sims on a PC and watching your cyber family develop over a few months isn't hardcore, but playing a boring snorefest like Gears of War on "Hardcore" setting with a 360 is hardcore?

Please, amuse me.....

Its funny that you automatically conclude that he means the input device.

Maybe by "how you play them" means like, if you play video games completely nude. Or in the rain? Playing video games nude in the rain is pretty hardcore if you ask me.

I'm obviously hardcore. I used to make games in Qbasic on a 486, make my own Doom levels, and once, I even used DeHackEd to hack the Doom .exe file! You know thats hardcore; the program has the word "hack" in it, thats not just hardcore, thats Xtreme!

In case its not obvious I'm not taking this very seriously any more.

What? What if you stay on your coach for 6 hours, upload your score and find out your one of the best in the world? That's damn hardcore. Using your logic, one cannot be a good chess player if he has no knowledge of how the chess pieces were constructed. Did you understand that? If not please gee-tee-eff-oh

_Dispair_

Is it? So Grandpa just got done beating all of his senior citizen friends at Wii bowling. He's just as hardcore as the lemming who played through Gears of Bore on Harcore in one sitting.

Sounds good to me.

Case in point two: Which scenario denotes someone that is hardcore: A season ticket holder to football games, or a person that loved football so much, they learned the game, studied, love it and now they are a coach and actually partake in the game? Which one is hardcore? My guess is the person with more knowledge (the coach)....

What do ya think? Maybe I'm right?

[QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]

How you play them does.

Vandalvideo

I'm just dying to hear this one explained.

What exactly do you mean by How you play them does?

Like.......using a Wii mote isn't hardcore, but using a 360 controller is?

Or playing the Sims on a PC and watching your cyber family develop over a few months isn't hardcore, but playing a boring snorefest like Gears of War on "Hardcore" setting with a 360 is hardcore?

Please, amuse me.....

Definetly, although I fall more into the casual side because I have a lot to do.

[QUOTE="_Dispair_"]

What? What if you stay on your coach for 6 hours, upload your score and find out your one of the best in the world? That's damn hardcore. Using your logic, one cannot be a good chess player if he has no knowledge of how the chess pieces were constructed. Did you understand that? If not please gee-tee-eff-oh

Subcritical

Is it? So Grandpa just got done beating all of his senior citizen friends at Wii bowling. He's just as hardcore as the lemming who played through Gears of Bore on Harcore in one sitting.

Sounds good to me.

Case in point two: Which scenario denotes someone that is hardcore: A season ticket holder to football games, or a person that loved football so much, they learned the game, studied, love it and now they are a coach and actually partake in the game? Which one is hardcore? My guess is the person with more knowledge (the coach)....

What do ya think? Maybe I'm right?

No. An old man beating his friends at bowling would be equivelant to lemming going online and beating a few recruits in Halo 3. Nothing special.

A hardcore Wii Bowler would try to get 30 strikes in a row (or more!).

i have to say I have to agree about the couch bit

I can never get into gaming while sitting in a couch

nothing about intense gaming makes me think I need to be reclining during it

thats not to say all console games are played on a couch.. generally if there is a couch I opt to sit on the floor infront of the TV

but since I play in my room generally... i sit on the floor or in my computer chair... sometimes I try the bed but it doesn't work when I need to stay focused and be able to read the screen

There are many dfenitions for a hardcor gamer, i'd play 4 hours straight and think damn! that was a long hardcore sesion.

Then i'd read about world of warcraft players playing 5 hours a night 4 days a week for a raid thingy, and before that they spend 2 hours farming money for materials - is that hardcore or is that just...sad?

imo..that kind of hardocre shouldn't be something to be proud off :roll:

[QUOTE="_Dispair_"]

What? What if you stay on your coach for 6 hours, upload your score and find out your one of the best in the world? That's damn hardcore. Using your logic, one cannot be a good chess player if he has no knowledge of how the chess pieces were constructed. Did you understand that? If not please gee-tee-eff-oh

Subcritical

Is it? So Grandpa just got done beating all of his senior citizen friends at Wii bowling. He's just as hardcore as the lemming who played through Gears of Bore on Harcore in one sitting.

Sounds good to me.

Case in point two: Which scenario denotes someone that is hardcore: A season ticket holder to football games, or a person that loved football so much, they learned the game, studied, love it and now they are a coach and actually partake in the game? Which one is hardcore? My guess is the person with more knowledge (the coach)....

What do ya think? Maybe I'm right?

So now you have to be a coach to be a hardcore football fan?

So..what game are you currently developing? Oh thats right..your not.

Sorry to break it to you but, your not better than a console gamer. Your not better than Grandma Williams playing her Wii Tennis and your not better than little Jimmy Bush down the street playing Geylo 3. Sorry junior, but I think it's time your little game ends. It's gotten boring and even PC gamers know your a moron. (Yes I know someone will report me and i'll get modded but, life isn't sweet get over it)

[QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="_Dispair_"]

What? What if you stay on your coach for 6 hours, upload your score and find out your one of the best in the world? That's damn hardcore. Using your logic, one cannot be a good chess player if he has no knowledge of how the chess pieces were constructed. Did you understand that? If not please gee-tee-eff-oh

_Dispair_

Is it? So Grandpa just got done beating all of his senior citizen friends at Wii bowling. He's just as hardcore as the lemming who played through Gears of Bore on Harcore in one sitting.

Sounds good to me.

Case in point two: Which scenario denotes someone that is hardcore: A season ticket holder to football games, or a person that loved football so much, they learned the game, studied, love it and now they are a coach and actually partake in the game? Which one is hardcore? My guess is the person with more knowledge (the coach)....

What do ya think? Maybe I'm right?

No. An old man beating his friends at bowling would be equivelant to lemming going online and beating a few recruits in Halo 3. Nothing special.

A hardcore Wii Bowler would try to get 30 strikes in a row (or more!).

Why bother? He won't understand. The only console games out are Wii Sports and Gears of Bore. You're just wasting your time man.

[QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]

How you play them does.

Corvin

I'm just dying to hear this one explained.

What exactly do you mean by How you play them does?

Like.......using a Wii mote isn't hardcore, but using a 360 controller is?

Or playing the Sims on a PC and watching your cyber family develop over a few months isn't hardcore, but playing a boring snorefest like Gears of War on "Hardcore" setting with a 360 is hardcore?

Please, amuse me.....

Its funny that you automatically conclude that he means the input device.

Maybe by "how you play them" means like, if you play video games completely nude. Or in the rain? Playing video games nude in the rain is pretty hardcore if you ask me.

I'm obviously hardcore. I used to make games in Qbasic on a 486, make my own Doom levels, and once, I DeHackEd to hack the Doom .exe file! You know thats hardcore; the program has the word "hack" in it, thats not just hardcore, thats Xtreme!

Hardcore and Xtreme. You are correct! And you can't do that on a console. Now you might understand what I'm driving at....console gaming is entertainment and you can't take it any further than that. It is NOT hardcore. Its entertainment at the endpoint of the product. You are passive and can't do anthing but play the game. That is mainstream, streamlined, and casual.

I pretty much made this thread to point out that many a pure lemming think they are hardcore and brag about it and try to act like they now something. They are not and do not. They are entertaining themselves with a closed end product and that is the extent of the experience. They are not hardcore....they know nothing about gaming other than sitting on their couch and holding their controller. That IS NOT A HARDCORE gamer. They can't go any further in gaming. They can't expand, build, freelance....nothing. It is generic and casual....

[QUOTE="Corvin"]

Its funny that you automatically conclude that he means the input device.

Maybe by "how you play them" means like, if you play video games completely nude. Or in the rain? Playing video games nude in the rain is pretty hardcore if you ask me.

I'm obviously hardcore. I used to make games in Qbasic on a 486, make my own Doom levels, and once, I DeHackEd to hack the Doom .exe file! You know thats hardcore; the program has the word "hack" in it, thats not just hardcore, thats Xtreme!

Subcritical

Hardcore and Xtreme. You are correct! And you can't do that on a console.

[QUOTE="Corvin"][QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]

How you play them does.

Subcritical

I'm just dying to hear this one explained.

What exactly do you mean by How you play them does?

Like.......using a Wii mote isn't hardcore, but using a 360 controller is?

Or playing the Sims on a PC and watching your cyber family develop over a few months isn't hardcore, but playing a boring snorefest like Gears of War on "Hardcore" setting with a 360 is hardcore?

Please, amuse me.....

Its funny that you automatically conclude that he means the input device.

Maybe by "how you play them" means like, if you play video games completely nude. Or in the rain? Playing video games nude in the rain is pretty hardcore if you ask me.

I'm obviously hardcore. I used to make games in Qbasic on a 486, make my own Doom levels, and once, I DeHackEd to hack the Doom .exe file! You know thats hardcore; the program has the word "hack" in it, thats not just hardcore, thats Xtreme!

Hardcore and Xtreme. You are correct! And you can't do that on a console. Now you might understand what I'm driving at....console gaming is entertainment and you can't take it any further than that. It is NOT hardcore. Its entertainment at the endpoint of the product. You are passive and can't do anthing but play the game. That is mainstream, streamlined, and casual.

I pretty much made this thread to point out that many a pure lemming think they are hardcore and brag about it and try to act like they now something. They are not and do not. They are entertaining themselves with a closed end product and that is the extent of the experience. They are not hardcore....they know nothing about gaming other than sitting on their couch and holding their controller. That IS NOT A HARDCORE gamer. They can't go any further in gaming. They can't expand, build, freelance....nothing. It is generic and casual....

You've though this out too much, and now your in a frame of mind that NO ONE shares, probably because it's total BS. If there's any one hermit here in SW that totally agrees with this guy and thinks console gamers can NEVER be hardcore, please speak up.

[QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="Corvin"]

Its funny that you automatically conclude that he means the input device.

Maybe by "how you play them" means like, if you play video games completely nude. Or in the rain? Playing video games nude in the rain is pretty hardcore if you ask me.

I'm obviously hardcore. I used to make games in Qbasic on a 486, make my own Doom levels, and once, I DeHackEd to hack the Doom .exe file! You know thats hardcore; the program has the word "hack" in it, thats not just hardcore, thats Xtreme!

Corvin

Hardcore and Xtreme. You are correct! And you can't do that on a console.

Are you kidding? I used to load up the level editors in Lode Runner, Wrecking Crew and Excite Bike all the time and whip up my own puzzles and race courses. XTREME!!!!

cool hardcore > nerd hardcore

Who cares?

I used to act all hardcore. Spent all my time playing games, talking about games, thinking about games. Then I started doing other stuff. I'm glad I'm not hardcore anymore. Honestly.

Does it matter to you what a bunch of elitist snobs who can't tolerate other people think? Who cares?

I don't care what systems people own, how many they own, or hell if they play "casual" oriented games only. If they dedicated to it, than they are a hardcore gamer. Plain and simple. :|

[QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="_Dispair_"]

What? What if you stay on your coach for 6 hours, upload your score and find out your one of the best in the world? That's damn hardcore. Using your logic, one cannot be a good chess player if he has no knowledge of how the chess pieces were constructed. Did you understand that? If not please gee-tee-eff-oh

RobEsp

Is it? So Grandpa just got done beating all of his senior citizen friends at Wii bowling. He's just as hardcore as the lemming who played through Gears of Bore on Harcore in one sitting.

Sounds good to me.

Case in point two: Which scenario denotes someone that is hardcore: A season ticket holder to football games, or a person that loved football so much, they learned the game, studied, love it and now they are a coach and actually partake in the game? Which one is hardcore? My guess is the person with more knowledge (the coach)....

What do ya think? Maybe I'm right?

So now you have to be a coach to be a hardcore football fan?

So..what game are you currently developing? Oh thats right..your not.

Sorry to break it to you but, your not better than a console gamer. Your not better than Grandma Williams playing her Wii Tennis and your not better than little Jimmy Bush down the street playing Geylo 3. Sorry junior, but I think it's time your little game ends. It's gotten boring and even PC gamers know your a moron. (Yes I know someone will report me and i'll get modded but, life isn't sweet get over it)

The coaching scenario was used to illustrate a point. But not suprising, you missed it.

As for breaking news, prior to playing Crysis, I knew nothing about level design, AI flowgraphs, pathing, texturing and what goes into utilizing tokens, triggers or cinematics.

So let me be kind and break it to you. After playing Crysis and being amazed at the engine and technology, as a PC gamer, I was lucky enough that the wonderful developer Crytek provided Sandbox 2.

Now I'm on to making a few levels with events, tokens driven events, as well as a storyline.

Yep. You are right. I'm a moron. And guess what. I figured out how to do most of this stuff by peaking into how Crytek put together the game Crysis. It tooks hours and days of trial and error because no complete manual exists on how to use the editor. I did this purely because of fascination and I thorough joy of gaming and a thought that I could contribute to gaming. You see, when I'm done I can put my few levels up for other gamers to enjoy because I love gaming. And they can have the levels for free because they are on a PC.

Console gamers can do nothing but play a game. They are not hardcore gamers. You know, kind of like yourself.

Now, I wonder. Explain to me how sitting on your couch is hardcore?

I still don't think even I am hardcore..........yet. There are many much more excellent people making mods and maps that are really hardcore.

You know, something consolies can never do.

So you are only hardcore if you can make mods and maps? Who told you this? Did you just decide this by yourself? :lol:

You're embarassing the other hermits, stop it please.

[QUOTE="RobEsp"][QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="_Dispair_"]

What? What if you stay on your coach for 6 hours, upload your score and find out your one of the best in the world? That's damn hardcore. Using your logic, one cannot be a good chess player if he has no knowledge of how the chess pieces were constructed. Did you understand that? If not please gee-tee-eff-oh

Subcritical

Is it? So Grandpa just got done beating all of his senior citizen friends at Wii bowling. He's just as hardcore as the lemming who played through Gears of Bore on Harcore in one sitting.

Sounds good to me.

Case in point two: Which scenario denotes someone that is hardcore: A season ticket holder to football games, or a person that loved football so much, they learned the game, studied, love it and now they are a coach and actually partake in the game? Which one is hardcore? My guess is the person with more knowledge (the coach)....

What do ya think? Maybe I'm right?

So now you have to be a coach to be a hardcore football fan?

So..what game are you currently developing? Oh thats right..your not.

Sorry to break it to you but, your not better than a console gamer. Your not better than Grandma Williams playing her Wii Tennis and your not better than little Jimmy Bush down the street playing Geylo 3. Sorry junior, but I think it's time your little game ends. It's gotten boring and even PC gamers know your a moron. (Yes I know someone will report me and i'll get modded but, life isn't sweet get over it)

The coaching scenario was used to illustrate a point. But not suprising, you missed it.

As for breaking news, prior to playing Crysis, I knew nothing about level design, AI flowgraphs, pathing, texturing and what goes into utilizing tokens, triggers or cinematics.

So let me be kind and break it to you. After playing Crysis and being amazed at the engine and technology, as a PC gamer, I was lucky enough that the wonderful developer Crytek provided Sandbox 2.

Now I'm on to making a few levels with events, tokens driven events, as well as a storyline.

Yep. You are right. I'm a moron. And guess what. I figured out how to do most of this stuff by peaking into how Crytek put together the game Crysis. It tooks hours and days of trial and error because no complete manual exists on how to use the editor. I did this purely because of fascination and I thorough joy of gaming and a thought that I could contribute to gaming. You see, when I'm done I can put my few levels up for other gamers to enjoy because I love gaming. And they can have the levels for free because they are on a PC.

Console gamers can do nothing but play a game. They are not hardcore gamers. You know, kind of like yourself.

Now, I wonder. Explain to me how sitting on your couch is hardcore?

I still don't think even I am hardcore..........yet. There are many much more excellent people making mods and maps that are really hardcore.

You know, something consolies can never do.

You typed all that thinking I would read it? I haven't read any of your posts. Just a few lines I caught skimming through.

I really must say I am flattered, however you're a joke and I don't think anyone has taken you serious. Well, i'm off to be a casual and play my 360, but before I go.

[QUOTE="RobEsp"][QUOTE="Subcritical"][QUOTE="_Dispair_"]

What? What if you stay on your coach for 6 hours, upload your score and find out your one of the best in the world? That's damn hardcore. Using your logic, one cannot be a good chess player if he has no knowledge of how the chess pieces were constructed. Did you understand that? If not please gee-tee-eff-oh

Subcritical

Is it? So Grandpa just got done beating all of his senior citizen friends at Wii bowling. He's just as hardcore as the lemming who played through Gears of Bore on Harcore in one sitting.

Sounds good to me.

Case in point two: Which scenario denotes someone that is hardcore: A season ticket holder to football games, or a person that loved football so much, they learned the game, studied, love it and now they are a coach and actually partake in the game? Which one is hardcore? My guess is the person with more knowledge (the coach)....

What do ya think? Maybe I'm right?

So now you have to be a coach to be a hardcore football fan?

So..what game are you currently developing? Oh thats right..your not.

Sorry to break it to you but, your not better than a console gamer. Your not better than Grandma Williams playing her Wii Tennis and your not better than little Jimmy Bush down the street playing Geylo 3. Sorry junior, but I think it's time your little game ends. It's gotten boring and even PC gamers know your a moron. (Yes I know someone will report me and i'll get modded but, life isn't sweet get over it)

The coaching scenario was used to illustrate a point. But not suprising, you missed it.

As for breaking news, prior to playing Crysis, I knew nothing about level design, AI flowgraphs, pathing, texturing and what goes into utilizing tokens, triggers or cinematics.

So let me be kind and break it to you. After playing Crysis and being amazed at the engine and technology, as a PC gamer, I was lucky enough that the wonderful developer Crytek provided Sandbox 2.

Now I'm on to making a few levels with events, tokens driven events, as well as a storyline.

Yep. You are right. I'm a moron. And guess what. I figured out how to do most of this stuff by peaking into how Crytek put together the game Crysis. It tooks hours and days of trial and error because no complete manual exists on how to use the editor. I did this purely because of fascination and I thorough joy of gaming and a thought that I could contribute to gaming. You see, when I'm done I can put my few levels up for other gamers to enjoy because I love gaming. And they can have the levels for free because they are on a PC.

Console gamers can do nothing but play a game. They are not hardcore gamers. You know, kind of like yourself.

Now, I wonder. Explain to me how sitting on your couch is hardcore?

I still don't think even I am hardcore..........yet. There are many much more excellent people making mods and maps that are really hardcore.

You know, something consolies can never do.

Meh, why stop at mods and maps, childs play... you're not hardcore unless you're making these games from scratch. No using licensed engines either that cheating, and only a casual gamer would dare go so low. :|

Tell me if that sounds lame enough yet, I could keep going. Adding meaningless layers of subjective drivel.

Hardcore =

The coaching scenario was used to illustrate a point. But not suprising, you missed it.

As for breaking news, prior to playing Crysis, I knew nothing about level design, AI flowgraphs, pathing, texturing and what goes into utilizing tokens, triggers or cinematics.

So let me be kind and break it to you. After playing Crysis and being amazed at the engine and technology, as a PC gamer, I was lucky enough that the wonderful developer Crytek provided Sandbox 2.

Now I'm on to making a few levels with events, tokens driven events, as well as a storyline.

Yep. You are right. I'm a moron. And guess what. I figured out how to do most of this stuff by peaking into how Crytek put together the game Crysis. It tooks hours and days of trial and error because no complete manual exists on how to use the editor. I did this purely because of fascination and I thorough joy of gaming and a thought that I could contribute to gaming. You see, when I'm done I can put my few levels up for other gamers to enjoy because I love gaming. And they can have the levels for free because they are on a PC.

Console gamers can do nothing but play a game. They are not hardcore gamers. You know, kind of like yourself.

Now, I wonder. Explain to me how sitting on your couch is hardcore?

I still don't think even I am hardcore..........yet. There are many much more excellent people making mods and maps that are really hardcore.

You know, something consolies can never do.

Subcritical

It's funny. As much as you call yourself a "hardcore gamer" and describe all of these things "true" hardcore gamers do, I find it odd that you're describing things that...aren't gaming.

You say that creating maps, mods and other add ons via a PC is something only "hardcore" gamers do. Well, by that logic, you would classify game developers as the most hardcore gamers of all wouldn't you? Even though their lives and careers revolve around games, many of them do not game much at all and merely sit at their desks and create other games for people to play. There's certainly nothing wrong with that and I applaud them every time I play one of the excellent games they have created. But that doesn't make them hardcore gamers, it makes them hardcore game developers.

Much of my time these days between school work and my social life is dedicated to learning the various facets of the gaming industry, from development to journalism, I find everything about the industry fascinating. I'm writing two design documents at the moment for games I would love to see developed. I'm not talking little single page things here. I'm talking full design documents. I currently write freelance over at a website called Talk Xbox.com (You can check one of the many reviews I've written in my signature).

Does this make me a hardcore gamer? No it doesn't. It's the time I spendgamingwhich determines that. I may game primarily on a console, but this doesn't make me any less "hardcore" than you or anyone else on this forum.

So you are only hardcore if you can make mods and maps? _Dispair_

I have to tell you that mods suck a lot. Not surprising cause they are self made addons made by casual users.

Meh, why stop at mods and maps, childs play... you're not hardcore unless you're making these games from scratch. No using licensed engines either that cheating, and only a casual gamer would dare go so low. :|

Tell me if that sounds lame enough yet, I could keep going. Adding meaningless layers of subjective drivel.

-RPGamer-

See now your learning. Lemmings think they are hardcore over Wii gamers playing Mario. Or someone using a PC to play Solitaire.

But that is ok. So how far does it go, captain?

It is amazing that blind lemming fanboys don't get the irony.

When it works for them being hardcore i.e, playing Halo 3 online, its hardcore. But someone playing another game such as SMG, its not hardcore.

I hear it all the time on this website and its a joke.

So tell me when is it subjective drivel RPGamer, when it surpasses your definition?

I love Casey W's definition too. That fits just about everyone that comes to this site. How to cowtow to the masses and bolster casuals.

What a joke....

wow you guys are real hardcore, im not impressed though, play a soccer match and score 3 times, have sex with 2 girls, run a marathon etc....

cool hardcore > nerd hardcore

Yongying

Whoa :o

NOTHING is more hardcore than cutting people down on an internet forum. A gaming forum, no less! XTREME to the MAX!!!!

The ONLY thing subcritical has done here is show us what childish fanboyism means, NOT what hardcore means, at least to the vast majority, as there is no universally accepted definition of "hardcore gamer".

In it's most common usage, "hardcore gamers" are people who not only put a lot of time into playing games, but people who also enjoy following the industry and are "in the know" about coding, specs, AI behaviors, etc...

Many gamers cannot afford a nice PC and all the upgrades, and many cannot afford a "next gen" system yet either. Does their lack of funds mean they are casual? Someone who enjoys Super Mario Galaxy for it's brilliant development and design ideas is less hardcore than some who has a lot of money to blow on Crysis, a sandbox game w/a lot of technical wow factor but not nearly as much soul as galaxy.

The TC's definition would be parallel to saying that the only music a hardcore music fan listens to is jazz. Just b/c jazz is more complex than any other genre, does that mean it is superior to classical music or blues or rock? Most jazz fans have a deeper appreciation of certain aspects of music, from the more complex use of improv to more complex and "out of the box" modes and scales. But it would never be my contention that this makes them more hardcore, simply that they enjoy the more complex aspects of music, while others are more appreciative of lyrics or melody, both equally wonderful aspects of great music.

The TC acts like PC gamers have a deeper mode of thinking about games, but his actions show otherwise as his views show a narrowminded view of gaming and the many diverse people who love the industry for several different reasons.

To say that only PC gamers are hardcore is a slap in the face to the brilliant developers who work hard on so many classics like mario, ICO, crono cross, ninja gaiden, etc...

If anything, a TRUE hardcore gamer does his or her best to own every platform and play as many games as possible. I understand the TC was trying to make a point about how wii owners get bashed too often for not being hardcore, but along the way he got way offtrack and made PC gamers sound narrowminded and childish. To think that you needs mods and open ended sandbox aspects would be to say that there was no such thing as a hardcore gamer when games where for more simple. I understand the point about people bashing Wii owners too much, but unless this was all sarcasm, it's simply very poor logic that does VERY little to stand up on it's own logical merits.

When it works for them being hardcore i.e, playing Halo 3 online, its hardcore. But someone playing another game such as SMG, its not hardcore.Subcritical

There is no such thing as casual genre, there is only casual gameplay. Platformer could be hardcore, and simulator of something - casual.

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

wow you guys are real hardcore, im not impressed though, play a soccer match and score 3 times, have sex with 2 girls, run a marathon etc....

cool hardcore > nerd hardcore

Corvin

Whoa :o

NOTHING is more hardcore than cutting people down on an internet forum. A gaming forum, no less! XTREME to the MAX!!!!

2 girls? That's it?? WTF!

A soccer match??! NO wai!

I just bodybuild myself.

Anyway, when I was playing WoW everyday for 8 hours a day, I'd say that's pretty hardcore... But I got sick of it.

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

wow you guys are real hardcore, im not impressed though, play a soccer match and score 3 times, have sex with 2 girls, run a marathon etc....

cool hardcore > nerd hardcore

Corvin

Whoa :o

NOTHING is more hardcore than cutting people down on an internet forum. A gaming forum, no less! XTREME to the MAX!!!!

I swear that guy is my idol, my GOD *constructs shrine of Yongying*

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Meh, why stop at mods and maps, childs play... you're not hardcore unless you're making these games from scratch. No using licensed engines either that cheating, and only a casual gamer would dare go so low. :|

Tell me if that sounds lame enough yet, I could keep going. Adding meaningless layers of subjective drivel.

Subcritical

See now your learning. Lemmings think they are hardcore over Wii gamers playing Mario. Or someone using a PC to play Solitaire.

But that is ok. So how far does it go, captain?

It is amazing that blind lemming fanboys don't get the irony.

When it works for them being hardcore i.e, playing Halo 3 online, its hardcore. But someone playing another game such as SMG, its not hardcore.

I hear it all the time on this website and its a joke.

So tell me when is it subjective drivel RPGamer, when it surpasses your definition?

I love Casey W's definition too. That fits just about everyone that comes to this site. How to cowtow to the masses and bolster casuals.

What a joke....

You think I'm a lemming? LOL, why b/c the sig I created? Please, the Xbox 360 while having a decent library (especially compared to the other consoles) is hardly a system I would defend. The fact I'm waiting for my third one, should indicate I'm more pissed than supportive.

I'm not a fanboy at all actually, so I guess the joke would be your piss poor assumptions. Just b/c I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm just a console gamer. Some of the greatest RPG titles ever created are exclusive to the PC, so wouldn't a more educated assumption be that I support that system as well? Hmm, guess not... or maybe I'm giving to much credit to the people making the assumptions?

On the topic of the Wii, I own that too, so am I sheep now? Or what about the 500+ game library I own spanning 20 some years of actual gaming? Are you going to call me a fanboy for each one of those systems? Please do entertain me

Oh and my definition already given in this thread uses the words found in the actual definition of the the word hardcore. Who would have thought of that? Using the actual definition of words, rather than layering on a bunch of subjective drivel being spewed in this thread.

So will you entertain me? I do enjoy entertainment. :)

OH how some people are so blind and set in their little ways....OK....Letes get this straight now....HARDCORE GAMER does not have anything to do with what game you play NOR does it have anything to do with what you play the game on....EVER.. ...NOT in this life or anyone elses lifetime....ITS about how much you play and how intense you are and what you know about the games and the gaming community..

Im old...and HARDCORE gaming started back in the 1980's...EARLY 80's at that...It was called an "ARCADE"...This is where people like myself spent probably 100$ a weekend....EVERY weekend for about 5 years...

Then the consoles really took off....BAck in the day you were hardcore if you played a lot of games and knew about games ...It didnt matter if you were shooting in Metal Gear, or jumping in Mario...It doesnt matter at all what you play...Its how you play and what you know

PC games didnt even really start making their way into the public eye untill about 1999...Thats where they hit big and everyone was getting into them...Are they hardcore because they run and shoot with a M/K?..I think not....They are hardcore because they play and have a passion ...Just like any gamer has...That is what makes a hardcore gamer....Not because they run around shooting and can use a 110 button keyboard.

Some of you people need to get a grip and get off your crazy wild horses, step back and respect those who play games on ANY system "PC OR CONSOLE"....BEcause without that, NONE OF US WOULD BE ON THIS SITE or anyother site for that matter..

It's funny. As much as you call yourself a "hardcore gamer" and describe all of these things "true" hardcore gamers do, I find it odd that you're describing things that...aren't gaming.

You say that creating maps, mods and other add ons via a PC is something only "hardcore" gamers do. Well, by that logic, you would classify game developers as the most hardcore gamers of all wouldn't you? Even though their lives and careers revolve around games, many of them do not game much at all and merely sit at their desks and create other games for people to play. There's certainly nothing wrong with that and I applaud them every time I play one of the excellent games they have created. But that doesn't make them hardcore gamers, it makes them hardcore game developers.

Much of my time these days between school work and my social life is dedicated to learning the various facets of the gaming industry, from development to journalism, I find everything about the industry fascinating. I'm writing two design documents at the moment for games I would love to see developed. I'm not talking little single page things here. I'm talking full design documents. I currently write freelance over at a website called Talk Xbox.com (You can check one of the many reviews I've written in my signature).

Does this make me a hardcore gamer? No it doesn't. It's the time I spendgamingwhich determines that. I may game primarily on a console, but this doesn't make me any less "hardcore" than you or anyone else on this forum.

The_Game21x

What is really funny is I never claimed that I am hardcore. This was noted in a post right above yours. Yet there you have it.

And considering you are working on all these documents and such, you failed to pick up that I am pointing out the fallacy of what lemmings do to other non conforming gamers that don't live up to lemming standards of being "hardcore". I suppose this is a failure related to my poor writing skills....but be that as it may I still will not budge on feeling that because someone that plays Gears of War or Halo 3 online for six hours straight, makes does not make them "hardcore". Nor do I think that someone that passively reads about gaming, and plays games and has an interest in games is hardcore (Casey's defintion). That would be like calling a CNN junkie a reporter. Please.

And you are pursuing a career in gaming and mentioned that developers aren't hardcore gamers? I wonder what piqued many of their interests in gaming? Could it be gaming? I'm sure many personal cases vary. But overall, I'm sure it is a love for games.....

There are many levels of gamers and surely many facets of what hardcore means.

It is so funny to watch people here that think they are hardcore wiggle and redefine the definition to support their mold of what they deem as hardcore and rally around a common perception. They dismiss a more complex definition that surpasses theirs and write it off as foolishness or drivel.

they are just being entertained. What is the person that watches TV for 8 hrs a day? My guess is most people would call that person a name that begins with "L". But aren't they just "hardcore" TV watchers?

So will you entertain me? I do enjoy entertainment. :)

-RPGamer-

What kind of entertainment?

I have a pole in my basement. Meet me there in 5 ;)

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

It's funny. As much as you call yourself a "hardcore gamer" and describe all of these things "true" hardcore gamers do, I find it odd that you're describing things that...aren't gaming.

You say that creating maps, mods and other add ons via a PC is something only "hardcore" gamers do. Well, by that logic, you would classify game developers as the most hardcore gamers of all wouldn't you? Even though their lives and careers revolve around games, many of them do not game much at all and merely sit at their desks and create other games for people to play. There's certainly nothing wrong with that and I applaud them every time I play one of the excellent games they have created. But that doesn't make them hardcore gamers, it makes them hardcore game developers.

Much of my time these days between school work and my social life is dedicated to learning the various facets of the gaming industry, from development to journalism, I find everything about the industry fascinating. I'm writing two design documents at the moment for games I would love to see developed. I'm not talking little single page things here. I'm talking full design documents. I currently write freelance over at a website called Talk Xbox.com (You can check one of the many reviews I've written in my signature).

Does this make me a hardcore gamer? No it doesn't. It's the time I spendgamingwhich determines that. I may game primarily on a console, but this doesn't make me any less "hardcore" than you or anyone else on this forum.

Subcritical

What is really funny is I never claimed that I am hardcore. This was noted in a post right above yours. Yet there you have it.

And considering you are working on all these documents and such, you failed to pick up that I am pointing out the fallacy of what lemmings do to other non conforming gamers that don't live up to lemming standards of being "hardcore". I suppose this is a failure related to my poor writing skills....but be that as it may I still will not budge on feeling that because someone that plays Gears of War or Halo 3 online for six hours straight, makes does not make them "hardcore". Nor do I think that someone that passively reads about gaming, and plays games and has an interest in games is hardcore (Casey's defintion). That would be like calling a CNN junkie a reporter. Please.

And you are pursuing a career in gaming and mentioned that developers aren't hardcore gamers? I wonder what piqued many of their interests in gaming? Could it be gaming? I'm sure many personal cases vary. But overall, I'm sure it is a love for games.....

There are many levels of gamers and surely many facets of what hardcore means.

It is so funny to watch people here that think they are hardcore wiggle and redefine the definition to support their mold of what they deem as hardcore and rally around a common perception. They dismiss a more complex definition that surpasses theirs and write it off as foolishness or drivel.

they are just being entertained. What is the person that watches TV for 8 hrs a day? My guess is most people would call that person a name that begins with "L". But aren't they just "hardcore" TV watchers?

So then my assumption about your attempt at sarcasm was correct I take it. I understand a frustration w/ bashing wii owners, but 1. it's not only lemmings who bash sheep and 2. you did a VERY poor job of trying to make your point and have little ground to stand on in trying to insult others for attacking your outlandish definition. While there is no true definition of hardcore gamer, it is also false to say other were trying to wiggle out of anything to fit their definition, they simply rejected the poor logic you presented. Sarcasm or not, your points were all poorly laid out and rightfully dismissed by most.

The ONLY thing subcritical has done here is show us what childish fanboyism means, NOT what hardcore means, at least to the vast majority, as there is no universally accepted definition of "hardcore gamer".

In it's most common usage, "hardcore gamers" are people who not only put a lot of time into playing games, but people who also enjoy following the industry and are "in the know" about coding, specs, AI behaviors, etc...

Many gamers cannot afford a nice PC and all the upgrades, and many cannot afford a "next gen" system yet either. Does their lack of funds mean they are casual? Someone who enjoys Super Mario Galaxy for it's brilliant development and design ideas is less hardcore than some who has a lot of money to blow on Crysis, a sandbox game w/a lot of technical wow factor but not nearly as much soul as galaxy.

The TC's definition would be parallel to saying that the only music a hardcore music fan listens to is jazz. Just b/c jazz is more complex than any other genre, does that mean it is superior to classical music or blues or rock? Most jazz fans have a deeper appreciation of certain aspects of music, from the more complex use of improv to more complex and "out of the box" modes and scales. But it would never be my contention that this makes them more hardcore, simply that they enjoy the more complex aspects of music, while others are more appreciative of lyrics or melody, both equally wonderful aspects of great music.

The TC acts like PC gamers have a deeper mode of thinking about games, but his actions show otherwise as his views show a narrowminded view of gaming and the many diverse people who love the industry for several different reasons.

To say that only PC gamers are hardcore is a slap in the face to the brilliant developers who work hard on so many classics like mario, ICO, crono cross, ninja gaiden, etc...

If anything, a TRUE hardcore gamer does his or her best to own every platform and play as many games as possible. I understand the TC was trying to make a point about how wii owners get bashed too often for not being hardcore, but along the way he got way offtrack and made PC gamers sound narrowminded and childish. To think that you needs mods and open ended sandbox aspects would be to say that there was no such thing as a hardcore gamer when games where for more simple. I understand the point about people bashing Wii owners too much, but unless this was all sarcasm, it's simply very poor logic that does VERY little to stand up on it's own logical merits.

LegendofYaslint

I'm illustrating a point. You got some of it and I think you were the first to pickup on the theme.

I guess I still haven't gotten down the method of weaving (writing) a good spider trap.

Lets face it, for someone to tell someone else they are not hardcore because their definition of hardcore is the definition that makes them feel all manly....well, I think I've illustrated my point.

This happens time and again to Wii gamers from lemmings. Lemming base hardcore on what they define hardcore gameplay to be, usually carving up vitual people with an automatic weapon of some sort....

So, take the PC where you can learn a game, and have access to tools to design levels (yes I am messing around with Sandbox 2). This definition clearly supercedes lemming definition of hardcore. This definition is more restrictive and excludes them. And they can't stand it!

But all kidding aside....PC gaming is more hardcore than console gaming.....

So then my assumption about your attempt at sarcasm was correct I take it. I understand a frustration w/ bashing wii owners, but 1. it's not only lemmings who bash sheep and 2. you did a VERY poor job of trying to make your point and have little ground to stand on in trying to insult others for attacking your outlandish definition. While there is no true definition of hardcore gamer, it is also false to say other were trying to wiggle out of anything to fit their definition, they simply rejected the poor logic you presented. Sarcasm or not, your points were all poorly laid out and rightfully dismissed by most.

LegendofYaslint

I really didn't attack anyone, per se but waited for those to attack me. And many just wrote this whole thread off as being crazy or beneath themselves. Clearly this points out that they dismiss anything that challenges their own chest beating.

And quite frankly, I really do think that building a rig, tweaking settings and files, learning more about gaming, and of course spending a bit of time reading up and actually playing games, is a better definition of hardcore than what most of the real casuals in this thread define hardcore gaming as: someone that just sits in front of the TV and games for hours trying to beat Halo on Legendary in 8 hrs.

It has become "cool" to be a "hardcore" gamer. Yet when that definition becomes more restricted and precise, people get all twitchy and defensive.

I remember the days when what these hardcore gamers strive to be were once considered social reclusesses(sp?): nerds.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

It's funny. As much as you call yourself a "hardcore gamer" and describe all of these things "true" hardcore gamers do, I find it odd that you're describing things that...aren't gaming.

You say that creating maps, mods and other add ons via a PC is something only "hardcore" gamers do. Well, by that logic, you would classify game developers as the most hardcore gamers of all wouldn't you? Even though their lives and careers revolve around games, many of them do not game much at all and merely sit at their desks and create other games for people to play. There's certainly nothing wrong with that and I applaud them every time I play one of the excellent games they have created. But that doesn't make them hardcore gamers, it makes them hardcore game developers.

Much of my time these days between school work and my social life is dedicated to learning the various facets of the gaming industry, from development to journalism, I find everything about the industry fascinating. I'm writing two design documents at the moment for games I would love to see developed. I'm not talking little single page things here. I'm talking full design documents. I currently write freelance over at a website called Talk Xbox.com (You can check one of the many reviews I've written in my signature).

Does this make me a hardcore gamer? No it doesn't. It's the time I spendgamingwhich determines that. I may game primarily on a console, but this doesn't make me any less "hardcore" than you or anyone else on this forum.

Subcritical

What is really funny is I never claimed that I am hardcore. This was noted in a post right above yours. Yet there you have it.

And considering you are working on all these documents and such, you failed to pick up that I am pointing out the fallacy of what lemmings do to other non conforming gamers that don't live up to lemming standards of being "hardcore". I suppose this is a failure related to my poor writing skills....but be that as it may I still will not budge on feeling that because someone that plays Gears of War or Halo 3 online for six hours straight, makes does not make them "hardcore". Nor do I think that someone that passively reads about gaming, and plays games and has an interest in games is hardcore (Casey's defintion). That would be like calling a CNN junkie a reporter. Please.

And you are pursuing a career in gaming and mentioned that developers aren't hardcore gamers? I wonder what piqued many of their interests in gaming? Could it be gaming? I'm sure many personal cases vary. But overall, I'm sure it is a love for games.....

There are many levels of gamers and surely many facets of what hardcore means.

It is so funny to watch people here that think they are hardcore wiggle and redefine the definition to support their mold of what they deem as hardcore and rally around a common perception. They dismiss a more complex definition that surpasses theirs and write it off as foolishness or drivel.

they are just being entertained. What is the person that watches TV for 8 hrs a day? My guess is most people would call that person a name that begins with "L". But aren't they just "hardcore" TV watchers?

I did not miss the fact that you're pointing out a fallacy some lemmings hold in which they believe they are the most hardcore gamers of the consolites. You've practically been beating people over the head with it over the past two pages. This is something I chose to ignore. Until now.

There are many lemmings on this forum creating their own archetype of the "hardcore", one that fits their own purposes and excludes all others. Why? Because they're lemmings. Of course the more fanboyish lemmings think they're better than other gamers here. But you act as if other fanboy groups around here don't do the exact same thing. Do hermits not consider the PC the most hardcore gaming platform? Do Cows not consider the Playstation 2 the best (and thus, the most hardcore) gaming system ever created? Hell, I'm sure there are people out there who would argue that the Dreamcast is the most hardcore gaming platform out there.

It just seems like you created this thread and continue to argue its point in order to pigeonhole Lemmings as being the only ones who claim they're the most hardcore, when they are far from being the only ones who say such things.

Oh and my definition already given in this thread uses the words found in the actual definition of the the word hardcore. Who would have thought of that? Using the actual definition of words, rather than layering on a bunch of subjective drivel being spewed in this thread.

So will you entertain me? I do enjoy entertainment. :)

-RPGamer-

Here is some enterainment. Seeing how you supposedly utilized "hardcore" as an actual definition please read the true definition of hardcore from Websters:

Hard-core (adj): of persons whose status is not easily changed.

Yep I guess you are hardcore. You illustrated that well.

Subjective drivel...that's a good one.

You discount other peoples drivel while passing on and not realizing your own drivel....

In fact, I think its all drivel.

Weren't people that use to spend extraodinary amounts of money and time in arcades called nerds back in the 80's?

And today, you are hardcore!

I think they were wrong back in the 80's. Nerds were visionaries of the future.

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It just seems like you created this thread and continue to argue its point in order to pigeonhole Lemmings as being the only ones who claim they're the most hardcore, when they are far from being the only ones who say such things.

The_Game21x

This is true. They are just in the highest numbers, and therefore it is more sporting wheras Wii gamers are certainly in the minority. Which is ironic into itself as the Wii is the number one next gen console in the world yet here I am trying to defend them.......hmm.....

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Oh and my definition already given in this thread uses the words found in the actual definition of the the word hardcore. Who would have thought of that? Using the actual definition of words, rather than layering on a bunch of subjective drivel being spewed in this thread.

So will you entertain me? I do enjoy entertainment. :)

Subcritical

Here is some enterainment. Seeing how you supposedly utilized "hardcore" as an actual definition please read the true definition of hardcore from Websters:

Hard-core (adj): of persons whose status is not easily changed.

Yep I guess you are hardcore. You illustrated that well.

Subjective drivel...that's a good one.

You discount other peoples drivel while passing on and not realizing your own drivel....

In fact, I think its all drivel.

Weren't people that use to spend extraodinary amounts of money and time in arcades called nerds back in the 80's?

And today, you are hardcore!

I think they were wrong back in the 80's. Nerds were visionaries of the future.

Actually did I say I was hardcore since I've been in this thread?

Words often have more than one definition. "Unswervingly committed; uncompromising; dedicated". Or, "The most dedicated, unfailingly loyal faction of a group or organization." I mean you can cherry pick definitions if you want, but I just did a quick search on dictionary.com.

I quote an actual definition and it's drivel? Ok, that's fine by me since it's not something I came up with. You layer on convoluted subjectivity in some attempt to make PC gamers this elitist group that the console gamers can't touch. That is subjective drivel. No definition of the word hardcore contains any of that. Neat huh?

Of course, dedication is all relative thus hardcore is in part subjective by definition. Some people I guess don't see a need to belittle others to talk about the subject. Like I call a lot of the coworkers on my team hardcore gamers, there's no chest beating I'm merely commenting on what I think is a fairly good showing of dedication to gaming, and the things they do to show said dedication can vary on many variables. I know someone on my team who develops MUDs, and puzzle games in his spare time for fun. I know a few gamers on my team who have collected hundreds of games, are on the cutting edge of collections, and hardly have time to play the vast majority of what they own. There are gamers on my team, that while I don't care for what they play are really damn good at said titles and put a lot of time into what they do own. I would consider each of these people hardcore simply b/c they love the hobby in their own way.

I have to hand it to the TC, he doesn't stop! It's pretty entertaining.

Myself? I'm content with knowing that I have a life and yet still love games enough to wonder how they work. You going to scream at me that I'm not hardcore? That's cool, I could care less, as should everyone else.

Still, please, go on with the fighting, I'm grabbing popcorn. Maybe some delicious fondue?

Actually did I say I was hardcore since I've been in this thread?

Words often have more than one definition. "Unswervingly committed; uncompromising; dedicated". Or, "The most dedicated, unfailingly loyal faction of a group or organization." I mean you can cherry pick definitions if you want, but I just did a quick search on dictionary.com.

I quote an actual definition and it's drivel? Ok, that's fine by me since it's not something I came up with. You layer on convoluted subjectivity in some attempt to make PC gamers this elitist group that the console gamers can't touch. That is subjective drivel. No definition of the word hardcore contains any of that. Neat huh?

Of course, dedication is all relative thus hardcore is in part subjective by definition. Some people I guess don't see a need to belittle others to talk about the subject. Like I call a lot of the coworkers on my team hardcore gamers, there's no chest beating I'm merely commenting on what I think is a fairly good showing of dedication to gaming, and the things they do to show said dedication can vary on many variables. I know someone on my team who develops MUDs, and puzzle games in his spare time for fun. I know a few gamers on my team who have collected hundreds of games, are on the cutting edge of collections, and hardly have time to play the vast majority of what they own. There are gamers on my team, that while I don't care for what they play are really damn good at said titles and put a lot of time into what they do own. I would consider each of these people hardcore simply b/c they love the hobby in their own way.

-RPGamer-

Cherry-picking definitions.....I look up the exact definition in Merriam Websters New Lexicon Dictionary, and I'm cherry picking.

No kidding this is all convoluted subjectivity. Thats the whole point of this thread!

Lems do this all the time to Wii owners.

But when someone narrows the definition to exclude a huge segement of hardcore wannabees (not necessarily you, but generally lemmings), and presto, their knickers get all twisted.

Dude, think about it: in all this, your are just justifiying your definition of what hardcore means. I insulted you because my hardcore definition seems ludicrous and excludes you (and many others) or your predetermined or conditioned belief of what hardcore means...

But why is not my argument just as just as yours? Your argument excludes me.....do you not see the play?....

Its all drivel.

I have to hand it to the TC, he doesn't stop! It's pretty entertaining.

Myself? I'm content with knowing that I have a life and yet still love games enough to wonder how they work. You going to scream at me that I'm not hardcore? That's cool, I could care less, as should everyone else.

Still, please, go on with the fighting, I'm grabbing popcorn. Maybe some delicious fondue?

terry_tate

Thank You!!

But I must warn you, my buzz is wearing off, and the wife is calling me to bed.....I can't keep this up much longer....

BTW, I love it when people that play Gears of War think they are Hardcore. That just kill me.....I crack up.....everytime.....

[QUOTE="terry_tate"]

I have to hand it to the TC, he doesn't stop! It's pretty entertaining.

Myself? I'm content with knowing that I have a life and yet still love games enough to wonder how they work. You going to scream at me that I'm not hardcore? That's cool, I could care less, as should everyone else.

Still, please, go on with the fighting, I'm grabbing popcorn. Maybe some delicious fondue?

Subcritical

Thank You!!

But I must warn you, my buzz is wearing off, and the wife is calling me to bed.....I can't keep this up much longer....

BTW, I love it when people that play Gears of War think they are Hardcore. That just kill me.....I crack up.....everytime.....

Ok, so it cracks you up, thats fine, I'm not going to attack you for it like most other people. But, at the same time, I could just say "I love it when people play Age of Empires and think they are hardcore. That just kills me..... I crack up... everytime...". I don't because I don't believe it. I figure we should stop aspiring to be hardcore and just be gamers.

Consoles are easy alternative to PC gaming for people who do not wish to mess around with all the aspects that come with PC gaming. That's what consoles are meant for: to be more accessible.

For instance, it's amusing how lemmings and cows ridicule sheep because of the Wii when the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are the exact same deal in comparison with the PC.

[QUOTE="terry_tate"]

I have to hand it to the TC, he doesn't stop! It's pretty entertaining.

Myself? I'm content with knowing that I have a life and yet still love games enough to wonder how they work. You going to scream at me that I'm not hardcore? That's cool, I could care less, as should everyone else.

Still, please, go on with the fighting, I'm grabbing popcorn. Maybe some delicious fondue?

Subcritical

Thank You!!

But I must warn you, my buzz is wearing off, and the wife is calling me to bed.....I can't keep this up much longer....

BTW, I love it when people that play Gears of War think they are Hardcore. That just kill me.....I crack up.....everytime.....

Wow you are so hardcore spending your time Talking about Gears of war...Look like you are a HARDCORE GOW STALKERLOLOLOL Hardcore gamers don't bash pc or console players, they just play! I love crysis, finished it, but I don't believe my IQ increases while im on pc and lowers when i'm couch potating ( as you say) on my 360...