Are Lems and Hemits Allies / best friends / samething?

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

It really is not paranoid. It happens all the time in SW. I have even called out trolls recently and they have said, in their very own thread, right there for everyone to read, "Ya I know, its sad isnt it" and people keep taking their bait. People who were in the one of his threads the day before when he got busted just jumped at the bait again.

You have even said something to the effect of that you are 19 and gaming may be starting to wear a little thin. Well, I doubt you will get totally bored of gaming, but making crazy statements, and going over board with doomsday talk about gaming is not something you will care about in five more years, I would wager.

Look SW can be fun. So can WoW. But the WoW community is the most toxic gaming, and gaming boards are filled with pure and utter trash.

I mean I think WoW casualized MMO's, but all for the bad. If you recall the fluff and needles complexity of EQ you know what I mean But that is as far as it goes. So, I feel doomed to see WoW clones for the next five years. But its still just a game. I don't go cry on the WoW forums about the death of the game. And I dont take it home with me.

Have fun in SW, but do not make the mistake of taking any of it serious.

Games would have changed and evolved no matter what. And a lot of hermits would have cryed no matter what. But most just roll with the punches and continue to enjoy games for what they are, games.

Pick any gaming board and you will find more then a fair share of total nonesense on it.

jangojay

Yea the WOW thing was an example and Yes I am 19 and tiring of gaming. I said I only enjoy TWO genres right now. Two out of the entire lot. All I play at the moment is RTS and MMOS. Nothing else. Everything else I just lose interest in too quickly.. I guess this is why teh wii is good, it's got games that I would actually play for more than two weeks. Also you are proving my point with the highlighted. Because people don't say they like things doesn't mean they don't.

Check the edit.

But the hermit talk is BS, and the hermits that bust out their all high and mighty talk about hardcore, and casual this and casual that, are full of it.

I mean if gaming is really growing tired for you, I do not see how you can take that loud, obnoxious BS, to heart at all.

Sometimes its fun to hate. I like to poke the bee-hive with a stick sometimes as well, but no, they do not speak for majority. And knowing some PC building lingo does not mean crap. I have never played a game that stopped to ask me if I knew how to over clock my card and then have it shut itself off when I didn't.

To much time spent on gaming boards if the hobby is growing old for you. ANd being obsessed with MMO interactions sounds like someone who just discovered the genre recently.

In you five you will do a /facepalm

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

It really is not paranoid. It happens all the time in SW. I have even called out trolls recently and they have said, in their very own thread, right there for everyone to read, "Ya I know, its sad isnt it" and people keep taking their bait. People who were in the one of his threads the day before when he got busted just jumped at the bait again.

You have even said something to the effect of that you are 19 and gaming may be starting to wear a little thin. Well, I doubt you will get totally bored of gaming, but making crazy statements, and going over board with doomsday talk about gaming is not something you will care about in five more years, I would wager.

Look SW can be fun. So can WoW. But the WoW community is the most toxic gaming, and gaming boards are filled with pure and utter trash.

I mean I think WoW casualized MMO's, but all for the bad. If you recall the fluff and needles complexity of EQ you know what I mean But that is as far as it goes. So, I feel doomed to see WoW clones for the next five years. But its still just a game. I don't go cry on the WoW forums about the death of the game. And I dont take it home with me.

Have fun in SW, but do not make the mistake of taking any of it serious.

Games would have changed and evolved no matter what. And a lot of hermits would have cryed no matter what. But most just roll with the punches and continue to enjoy games for what they are, games.

Pick any gaming board and you will find more then a fair share of total nonesense on it.

Coyo7e

Yea the WOW thing was an example and Yes I am 19 and tiring of gaming. I said I only enjoy TWO genres right now. Two out of the entire lot. All I play at the moment is RTS and MMOS. Nothing else. Everything else I just lose interest in too quickly.. I guess this is why teh wii is good, it's got games that I would actually play for more than two weeks. Also you are proving my point with the highlighted. Because people don't say they like things doesn't mean they don't.

Check the edit.

But the hermit talk is BS, and the hermits that bust out their all high and mighty talk about hardcore, and casual this and casual that, are full of it.

I mean if gaming is really growing tired for you, I do not see how you can take that loud, obnoxious BS, to heart at all.

Sometimes its fun to hate. I like to poke the bee-hive with a stick sometimes as well, but no, they do not speak for majority. And knowing some PC building lingo does not mean crap. I have never played a game that stopped to ask me if I knew how to over clock my card and then have it shut itself off when I didn't.

To much time spent on gaming boards if the hobby is growing old for you. ANd being obsessed with MMO interactions sounds like someone who just discovered the genre recently.

In you five you will do a /facepalm

I can show tons of lies over net about pc gaming. I can show you tons of people saying pc is going to die!!! who are you to call me names!!!

I can show you ceos say all kind of things about pc!!! fallout a pc game is now gone over guess what concoles!!! who are you to call me names!!!

i can show you alot of game devs that have turn their backs on the very fans that made them!!! Who are you to call me troll!!!

there are more people like me who more bolder a loader than I am by the way!!!

blackdreamhunk

The Grammar pixies and spelling fairies are all coming to kick your teeth in.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

I can show tons of lies over net about pc gaming. I can show you tons of people saying pc is going to die!!! who are you to call me names!!!

I can show you ceos say all kind of things about pc!!! fallout a pc game is now gone over guess what concoles!!! who are you to call me names!!!

i can show you alot of game devs that have turn their backs on the very fans that made them!!! Who are you to call me troll!!!

there are more people like me who more bolder a loader than I am by the way!!!

tenaka2

The Grammar pixies and spelling fairies are all coming to kick your teeth in.

The guy you quoted makes us look really, really bad.

I hope he changes his posting style and posting content before it gets even worse.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

I can show tons of lies over net about pc gaming. I can show you tons of people saying pc is going to die!!! who are you to call me names!!!

I can show you ceos say all kind of things about pc!!! fallout a pc game is now gone over guess what concoles!!! who are you to call me names!!!

i can show you alot of game devs that have turn their backs on the very fans that made them!!! Who are you to call me troll!!!

there are more people like me who more bolder a loader than I am by the way!!!

tenaka2

The Grammar pixies and spelling fairies are all coming to kick your teeth in.

MS dont care of what you call friends or enemies.

If Halo reach its peak on sales and dont sale no more ( example ) theyll release it for PC in order to max out the sales and profits. Its not about frienship. Its about $$ and only $$.

*shrugs*

I like my PC, I like my 360.

I rather my PC.

Hurrah I guess?

To be honest, it's really the Hermits and Sheeps that are holding hands right now. As much as you can say about the hate on the Wii, it's mostly coming from lemmings and cows, yet there's barely any hermit bashing on the Wii.hiphops_savior

Probably because PC fans and Wii fans are in the same boat. 360 and PS3 fanboys bash them both with equally stupid arguments and always in a 2 versus 1 manner.

Lemmings hate Hermits.

Lemmings know that the console they have is just a really cheap dumbed down PC. They have a hate for PC gamers as they can afford proper PC's.

tenaka2

Oh, nice contradiction. PC gaming, over the span on the consoles life..is cheaper than console gaming. Is it not? Hell, I even made a thread about it with MATH proving it to be a true statement just last year. I'm not really a lemming though..I would say i'm an advocate of console gaming(Primarly, old school console gaming) but more importantly, I'm an advocate for gaming in general. So excuse me if I scoff at the elitist attitudes from all parties towards each other. I am the Martin Luther King Jr. of gaming.

EDIT: Ok, calling myself MLK of gaming is a bit much:P Clash of titans is fun to watch:D

Lemmings hate Hermits.

Lemmings know that the console they have is just a really cheap dumbed down PC. They have a hate for PC gamers as they can afford proper PC's.

tenaka2

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Lemmings hate Hermits.

Lemmings know that the console they have is just a really cheap dumbed down PC. They have a hate for PC gamers as they can afford proper PC's.

ILikeCatFoodMan

I never touched your irogant!

Since like every game Xbox gets PC gets aswell and they both are involed alot with MS?

Even Xbox's Flagship game(Halo) is on PC

Sunamaru

Yeah dude, you didn't know? We've got a clubhouse and a secret handshake and everything. I'd best not go into any further detail, wouldn't want to get myself booted out our "fellowship."

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Lemmings hate Hermits.

Lemmings know that the console they have is just a really cheap dumbed down PC. They have a hate for PC gamers as they can afford proper PC's.

ILikeCatFoodMan

[QUOTE="ILikeCatFoodMan"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Lemmings hate Hermits.

Lemmings know that the console they have is just a really cheap dumbed down PC. They have a hate for PC gamers as they can afford proper PC's.

skrat_01

no fair, Im not a fanboi, I like the wee wii, already have a PS2 and will get a ps3 when FF is released.

I'v just been turned to the dark side by a number of very acidic lemmings. From what I have seen, its my opinion that lemmings start most of the PC hate threads.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="ILikeCatFoodMan"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Lemmings hate Hermits.

Lemmings know that the console they have is just a really cheap dumbed down PC. They have a hate for PC gamers as they can afford proper PC's.

tenaka2

no fair, Im not a fanboi, I like the wee wii, already have a PS2 and will get a ps3 when FF is released.

I'v just been turned to the dark side by a number of very acidic lemmings. From what I have seen, its my opinion that lemmings start most of the PC hate threads.

The lemmings do attack the PC more often than the other cosnole fanboys it seems, however Hermits always seem to attack consoles as a collective, but the argument always ends up focusing on the 360.

Oh, nice contradiction. PC gaming, over the span on the consoles life..is cheaper than console gaming. Is it not? Hell, I even made a thread about it with MATH proving it to be a true statement just last year. I'm not really a lemming though..I would say i'm an advocate of console gaming(Primarly, old school console gaming) but more importantly, I'm an advocate for gaming in general. So excuse me if I scoff at the elitist attitudes from all parties towards each other. I am the Martin Luther King Jr. of gaming.

EDIT: Ok, calling myself MLK of gaming is a bit much:P Clash of titans is fun to watch:D

Pro_wrestler

Everyone seems a little arrogant around here, your statement of proving PC is cheaper using MATH is preposterous, if you don't know why that is ask and others on the board may help you out.. You may think your the voice of reason, but your thread has a large amount of bias, apparently aimed toward your greatness and your ability to be impartial against even the most enormous odds...

You Sir, are a paragon! A shining example to us all!

However, its hard to take someone seriously with such a badly drawn sig.

one day MS will come out and say:

"Let it be known that since every game is now Games for Windows, we effectively own the PC platform. Now we COMMAND that Hermits be nice to your younger brothers, the lemmings. Be nice or we will make every multiplayer game LIVE....and I know hermits dont want that."

Then the world will be perfect.

What can I say, fair enough then.

The lemmings do attack the PC more often than the other cosnole fanboys it seems, however Hermits always seem to attack consoles as a collective, but the argument always ends up focusing on the 360.

skrat_01

Hermits don't tend to attack PS3 and Wiii that much, well not as much anyway.

one day MS will come out and say:

"Let it be known that since every game is now Games for Windows, we effectively own the PC platform. Now we COMMAND that Hermits be nice to your younger brothers, the lemmings. Be nice or we will make every multiplayer game LIVE....and I know hermits dont want that."

Then the world will be perfect.

-GhostMLD-

:lol:

MS has no influence over the PC. Sure, they make the operating system, but the moment they try to exert any kind of absolutist control over the format, people will migrate to another OS, especially gamers. That's the beauty of the PC.

one day MS will come out and say:

"Let it be known that since every game is now Games for Windows, we effectively own the PC platform. Now we COMMAND that Hermits be nice to your younger brothers, the lemmings. Be nice or we will make every multiplayer game LIVE....and I know hermits dont want that."

Then the world will be perfect.

-GhostMLD-

Glad to know .. if every game was games for windows that means they all seemlessly use the Xbox controller as well as work with both version of vista. They are also personally tested by M$. I dunno how that gives em control of the PC platform.. but w/e

Hermits are more like elitist lemmings. I would say both are very similar.BigDaddyPOLO

Most similar are cows and lemmings to be honest.

Both argue the greatness of their HD console, both hate the PC and both hate the Wii. Btw, your sig is AWESOME.

Hermits hate lemmings and seem to think 360 dumbs down PC titles, when in actuality, developers just want to make more money by appealing to a broader audience. But hermits seem to place the blame solely on the 360 anyway. AvIdGaMeR444

Because it's true. It's not like we don't have examples :). You even said it yourself. There is a difference between accessibility and straight dumbing down. The latter is the one that is normally used.

Nope, because of that very reason.

Hermits hate lemmings and seem to think 360 dumbs down PC titles, when in actuality, developers just want to make more money by appealing to a broader audience. But hermits seem to place the blame solely on the 360 anyway. AvIdGaMeR444

In reality we don't blame Xbox360, we blame it's users :)

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]Hermits hate lemmings and seem to think 360 dumbs down PC titles, when in actuality, developers just want to make more money by appealing to a broader audience. But hermits seem to place the blame solely on the 360 anyway. AdrianWerner

In reality we don't blame Xbox360, we blame it's users :)

For?

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]Hermits hate lemmings and seem to think 360 dumbs down PC titles, when in actuality, developers just want to make more money by appealing to a broader audience. But hermits seem to place the blame solely on the 360 anyway. Pro_wrestler

In reality we don't blame Xbox360, we blame it's users :)

For?

for making devs dumb down their games

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]Hermits hate lemmings and seem to think 360 dumbs down PC titles, when in actuality, developers just want to make more money by appealing to a broader audience. But hermits seem to place the blame solely on the 360 anyway. AdrianWerner

In reality we don't blame Xbox360, we blame it's users :)

For?

for making devs dumb down their games

If most hermits wanted truly hardcore gameplay experiences, then The Sims shouldn't have sold so incredibly well. Developers want to make money. If they only cater to the hardcore, then they isolate other markets. Why do you think Bethesda steamlined Oblivion? It wasn't because of the 360...it was because Bethesda wanted to broaden their market. They knew that making Oblivion much, much less hardcore than Morrowind would achieve that. So, yeah, they "dumbed" down the game, but it isn't the fault of the 360. Bethesda could have opted to make Oblivion a completely different experience for the PC. They chose not to because they really thought that Oblivion would cater to a broader audience on PC as well as 360.

for making devs dumb down their games

AdrianWerner

Sort of contradicting to your elitist attitude don't you think? Besides, I'd blame your own fellow platform gamers for whatever disdain you have for those games that got 'dumb/dubbed down.'

I am everyone's pal.

I'm a hermit and a lemming. I do both excessively and equally. Zaeryn

*claps*

I am a hermit, a lemming, and a cow I guess. Although my ps3 is a red headed step child at this point but I do not expect it to stay that way.

There are a few very loud and obnoxious hermits that spew rhetoric about games being dumbed down, to compensate for something. Anyone can only guess what they are compensating for. They do not make up the majority, they are just the most noisy.

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]I'm a hermit and a lemming. I do both excessively and equally. Coyo7e

*claps*

I am a hermit, a lemming, and a cow I guess. Although my ps3 is a red headed step child at this point but I do not expect it to stay that way.

There are a few very loud and obnoxious hermits that spew rhetoric about games being dumbed down, to compensate for something. Anyone can only guess what they are compensating for. They do not make up the majority, they are just the most noisy.

Yea but they don't do so blindly. They do it with facts, and that's what make console guys jsut get annoyed and say *elitist*. I have no problem with consoles and I currently own all three.. well two since one is dead.. and games ARE being dumbed downed.. some of my favourite ones to. I'll keep bring up rainbow six again and again.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]Hermits hate lemmings and seem to think 360 dumbs down PC titles, when in actuality, developers just want to make more money by appealing to a broader audience. But hermits seem to place the blame solely on the 360 anyway. AvIdGaMeR444

In reality we don't blame Xbox360, we blame it's users :)

For?

for making devs dumb down their games

If most hermits wanted truly hardcore gameplay experiences, then The Sims shouldn't have sold so incredibly well. Developers want to make money. If they only cater to the hardcore, then they isolate other markets. Why do you think Bethesda steamlined Oblivion? It wasn't because of the 360...it was because Bethesda wanted to broaden their market. They knew that making Oblivion much, much less hardcore than Morrowind would achieve that. So, yeah, they "dumbed" down the game, but it isn't the fault of the 360. Bethesda could have opted to make Oblivion a completely different experience for the PC. They chose not to because they really thought that Oblivion would cater to a broader audience on PC as well as 360.

Hang on, how is the Sims dumbed down? Within its niche, it's a very, very comprehensive game. Just because it's a casual-friendly game doesn't mean it's dumbed down. In fact, the Sims is a good example of a PC game that, despite its target audience, still treats the player with a good deal of respect for their gameplay abilities, regardless of how "hardcore" or "casual" they are, by throwing a lot of factors into the mix for them to manage. Don't confuse subject matter with gameplay depth.

When the Sims was ported to consoles, THEN it was dumbed down. For *bleeps* sake, does anyone remember "The Urbz"?e

BTW, if Bethesda wanted to seek a broader audience with Oblivion, they failed, because Morrowind sold over 4 million copies, while Oblivion sold only 3 million by January 2007. Granted, on the PS3 it's probably added another million or so to that, but if Bethesda only improved their audience by a million or so sales, then that's hardly what I'd call a "broader audience," especially given that they released on THREE platforms rather than just two this time around.

If most hermits wanted truly hardcore gameplay experiences, then The Sims shouldn't have sold so incredibly well.AvIdGaMeR444

Developers want to make money.

AvIdGaMeR444

When devs dumb down the sequel it almost always sells worse than it;s more complex predecessor on PC, while in most cases it sells better on 360. There are some rare exceptions, but they are very rare

Since like every game Xbox gets PC gets aswell and they both are involed alot with MS?

Even Xbox's Flagship game(Halo) is on PC

Sunamaru

We're bros. Them and us, we're hella tight.

[QUOTE="Danm999"]

And some of them are jerks of course.

Coyo7e

That is what it boils down to. And putting together a PC is about as complex as putting together some lego's. The only time consuming part of it is researching the best parts for the money.

That is a way over blow explanation for something that boils down to someone being a prick.

No, that answer is too simplistic.

If it was right, why wouldn't Lemmings, Sheep and Cows be accused of being elitist? There are plenty of jerks in those groups too. It's something about how Hermits argue, and what they argue.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Hermits are more like elitist lemmings. I would say both are very similar.Coyo7e

What exactly makes hermits elitist? I see people say that all the time but I would like to know.

Hard to put a finger on. But I have a few ideas.

More than any other group, Hermits have some pretty solid facts at their finger tips that shut down most of the arguments that plague System Wars. For example, if someone tries to bring system libraries into the mix, AAAE exclusives are a very simple argument for the PC that shuts down most legitimate debate. Similarly, there are some pretty well published sources that prove PC gaming is the world's single largest form of gaming.

On the other hand, Hermits themselves OFTEN know more about the market, hardware and software than console only fans.

Now, on the face of it, this is a pretty radical and elitist thing to say. But when you consider it, there are logical reasons to argue this. PC gaming is of course a more complex and (usually) more expensive endeavour than console gaming. What that means for most people is that they need more knowledge in order to participate in it.

While this isn't an absolute rule, as there are Hermits who are extremely ignorant and console only players who are extremely wise, it's a general one. Picking up a 360 from EB simply doesn't require the same amount of knowledge as putting together a PC does.

They've also often been playing longer (it takes time to acquire both the knowledge to build a PC and the funds to buy one, but again a general rule). This means they have a bit more context and cogniscence of where things are moving.

Take the Fallout debate for example. Many (not all) people on the pro-Fallout 3 side have not actually played the old Fallouts, and are essentially arguing with people who have. In any respectable academic circle, this debate would be laughed at as ridiculously one sided, but on System Wars its warped into an almost Marxist feud of PCs vs. consoles.

So what does this leave you with? A group who seemingly use a large bank of knowledge in a way that to others, must seem both arrogant and (sometimes) over-cerebral. That's my guess as to why so many Hermits must seem elitist.

And some of them are jerks of course.

That is what it boils down to. And putting together a PC is about as complex as putting together some lego's. The only time consuming part of it is researching the best parts for the money.

That is a way over blow explanation for something that boils down to someone being a prick.

This is quite a funny post, because some hermits constantly have to defend that putting together a PC is easy. And this guy just admitted it was.

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]

If most hermits wanted truly hardcore gameplay experiences, then The Sims shouldn't have sold so incredibly well.AdrianWerner

Developers want to make money.

AvIdGaMeR444

When devs dumb down the sequel it almost always sells worse than it;s more complex predecessor on PC, while in most cases it sells better on 360. There are some rare exceptions, but they are very rare

I know this isn't 360, but it's PS3, this is just an example.

They go from this: UT2k4

To this: UT3

See why UT3 sold badly on the PC?

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Hermits are more like elitist lemmings. I would say both are very similar.DragonfireXZ95

What exactly makes hermits elitist? I see people say that all the time but I would like to know.

Hard to put a finger on. But I have a few ideas.

More than any other group, Hermits have some pretty solid facts at their finger tips that shut down most of the arguments that plague System Wars. For example, if someone tries to bring system libraries into the mix, AAAE exclusives are a very simple argument for the PC that shuts down most legitimate debate. Similarly, there are some pretty well published sources that prove PC gaming is the world's single largest form of gaming.

On the other hand, Hermits themselves OFTEN know more about the market, hardware and software than console only fans.

Now, on the face of it, this is a pretty radical and elitist thing to say. But when you consider it, there are logical reasons to argue this. PC gaming is of course a more complex and (usually) more expensive endeavour than console gaming. What that means for most people is that they need more knowledge in order to participate in it.

While this isn't an absolute rule, as there are Hermits who are extremely ignorant and console only players who are extremely wise, it's a general one. Picking up a 360 from EB simply doesn't require the same amount of knowledge as putting together a PC does.

They've also often been playing longer (it takes time to acquire both the knowledge to build a PC and the funds to buy one, but again a general rule). This means they have a bit more context and cogniscence of where things are moving.

Take the Fallout debate for example. Many (not all) people on the pro-Fallout 3 side have not actually played the old Fallouts, and are essentially arguing with people who have. In any respectable academic circle, this debate would be laughed at as ridiculously one sided, but on System Wars its warped into an almost Marxist feud of PCs vs. consoles.

So what does this leave you with? A group who seemingly use a large bank of knowledge in a way that to others, must seem both arrogant and (sometimes) over-cerebral. That's my guess as to why so many Hermits must seem elitist.

And some of them are jerks of course.

That is what it boils down to. And putting together a PC is about as complex as putting together some lego's. The only time consuming part of it is researching the best parts for the money.

That is a way over blow explanation for something that boils down to someone being a prick.

This is quite a funny post, because some hermits constantly have to defend that putting together a PC is easy. And this guy just admitted it was.

Indeed, our arrogance at least partly stems from the fact that our eyes are uncovered regarding the actual simplicity and relative low cost of PC gaming, but everyone else's aren't, and we can't understand why.