Are people who have been gaming since the 90s stuck in the past?

I don't understand how you can give up on a video game series just because its evolving. Take Resident Evil for example; it used to be survival horror, now its third-person action and its FUN. How is this a negative? Are video games suppost to stay stuck in the past, never changing or evolving?

Maybe the problem isn't the game, maybe its you stuck in 90s.

Are you stuck in the past? or do you welcome change?

Because it's not fun.

Yep, only modern Call of Duty kids know what's up. :roll:

And RE4 was superb, and RE5 sucked donkey balls, so people are expecting RE6 to be terribad.

No, games were just better back then.

Games got worse when developers started making the games that the market/publisher demanded and not the games they would like to play.

I don't understand how you can give up on a video game series just because its evolving. Take Resident Evil for example; it used to be survival horror, now its third-person action and its FUN. How is this a negative? Are video games suppost to stay stuck in the past, never changing or evolving?

Maybe the problem isn't the game, maybe its you stuck in 90s.

Are you stuck in the past? or do you welcome change?

Second_Hokage

Do you acknowledge that devolution is possible?

If so, then I would suggest that your concept of 'Fun' is really a subjective plebish understanding.

90's games were more complex. Today's games are made for the ADD generation.

So the real question is: are you a crumb bum or human being? (hint: human beings enjoy thinking)

I welcome change to an extent.
Resident Evil 4-6 are departures but they arent butcherings, theyre still zombie shooters that have fluctuating action and adventuring/exploration.
That said, an unenjoyable game is an unenjoyable game. If people dont enjoy 6 then you cant immediately dismiss thier opinion and call them nostalgia whores.

[QUOTE="Second_Hokage"]

I don't understand how you can give up on a video game series just because its evolving. Take Resident Evil for example; it used to be survival horror, now its third-person action and its FUN. How is this a negative? Are video games suppost to stay stuck in the past, never changing or evolving?

Maybe the problem isn't the game, maybe its you stuck in 90s.

Are you stuck in the past? or do you welcome change?

haberman13

Do you acknowledge that devolution is possible?

If so, then I would suggest that your concept of 'Fun' is really a subjective plebish understanding.

90's games were more complex. Today's games are made for the ADD generation.

So the real question is: are you a crumb bum or human being? (hint: human beings enjoy thinking)

I don't understand how you can give up on a video game series just because its evolving. Take Resident Evil for example; it used to be survival horror, now its third-person action and its FUN. How is this a negative? Are video games suppost to stay stuck in the past, never changing or evolving?

Maybe the problem isn't the game, maybe its you stuck in 90s.

Are you stuck in the past? or do you welcome change?

Second_Hokage

It was very possible to maintain the survival horror aspect of the series without changing it into a action 3rd person shooter. sadly since this generation of gamers are more interested in games that don't require much braincells.

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[QUOTE="Second_Hokage"]

I don't understand how you can give up on a video game series just because its evolving. Take Resident Evil for example; it used to be survival horror, now its third-person action and its FUN. How is this a negative? Are video games suppost to stay stuck in the past, never changing or evolving?

Maybe the problem isn't the game, maybe its you stuck in 90s.

Are you stuck in the past? or do you welcome change?

tarzanell

Do you acknowledge that devolution is possible?

If so, then I would suggest that your concept of 'Fun' is really a subjective plebish understanding.

90's games were more complex. Today's games are made for the ADD generation.

So the real question is: are you a crumb bum or human being? (hint: human beings enjoy thinking)

You're a crumb bum, incapable of comprehending depth and breadth of thought.

Enjoy the Gears clones ...

edit: hold stick forward, hit trigger occasionally. LOL - how can anyone call this fun? Even from a judgment of value, older games at least tickled the brain, today you will LITERALLY become moronic by giving yourself over to the idiocy of console-ified games.

Stop worrying about releasing endorphines ... and consider the implication of your mind hammering foolish 'taste'. Some things are more valuable than others... that is an unarguable fact. So the question is, what do you consider valuable? Hammering your brain into nothing? Or increasing it's mass?

[QUOTE="Second_Hokage"]

I don't understand how you can give up on a video game series just because its evolving. Take Resident Evil for example; it used to be survival horror, now its third-person action and its FUN. How is this a negative? Are video games suppost to stay stuck in the past, never changing or evolving?

Maybe the problem isn't the game, maybe its you stuck in 90s.

Are you stuck in the past? or do you welcome change?

haberman13

Do you acknowledge that devolution is possible?

If so, then I would suggest that your concept of 'Fun' is really a subjective plebish understanding.

90's games were more complex. Today's games are made for the ADD generation.

So the real question is: are you a crumb bum or human being? (hint: human beings enjoy thinking)

Complexity is not a sign of devolution though. That's just your plebish opinion.

i grew up with games from the 90s. they're much better today than they were back then overall. but the best of the games back then are probably better than the best of nowmems_1224

This discussion already died, because people are thinking of things like physics and graphics....

Mechanics, game design, internal elements ... in the 90's these KEY factors were clearly superior.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="Second_Hokage"]

I don't understand how you can give up on a video game series just because its evolving. Take Resident Evil for example; it used to be survival horror, now its third-person action and its FUN. How is this a negative? Are video games suppost to stay stuck in the past, never changing or evolving?

Maybe the problem isn't the game, maybe its you stuck in 90s.

Are you stuck in the past? or do you welcome change?

Kickinurass

Do you acknowledge that devolution is possible?

If so, then I would suggest that your concept of 'Fun' is really a subjective plebish understanding.

90's games were more complex. Today's games are made for the ADD generation.

So the real question is: are you a crumb bum or human being? (hint: human beings enjoy thinking)

Complexity is not a sign of devolution though. That's just your plebish opinion.

Occam's razor? I don't think you can apply that here.

Lack of complexity in what is inherently a mind challenge is absolutely a sign of devolution.

edit: for real world proof of the devolution look at school testing in the last 20 years... (policy notwithstanding)

Morons like moronic things, right? Media and entertainment is a reflection of internal social realities.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]i grew up with games from the 90s. they're much better today than they were back then overall. but the best of the games back then are probably better than the best of nowhaberman13

This discussion already died, because people are thinking of things like physics and graphics....

Mechanics, game design, internal elements ... in the 90's these KEY factors were clearly superior.

Lack of complexity in what is inherently a mind challenge is absolutely a sign of devolution.

haberman13

Games are primarily a source of entertainment. If you were truly worried about challenging your mind, I question why you'd look at gaming in the first place. Even games such as AoEII, Diablo 2, and Deus Ex are fairly simple in the grand scheme of things.

Because it's not fun.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]i grew up with games from the 90s. they're much better today than they were back then overall. but the best of the games back then are probably better than the best of nowshadowchronicle

This discussion already died, because people are thinking of things like physics and graphics....

Mechanics, game design, internal elements ... in the 90's these KEY factors were clearly superior.

I would classify certain indie games as reflections of 90s games. Legend of Grimrock for a clear example.

So really that just proves the point.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]i grew up with games from the 90s. they're much better today than they were back then overall. but the best of the games back then are probably better than the best of nowhaberman13

This discussion already died, because people are thinking of things like physics and graphics....

Mechanics, game design, internal elements ... in the 90's these KEY factors were clearly superior.

[QUOTE="tarzanell"][QUOTE="haberman13"]

Do you acknowledge that devolution is possible?

If so, then I would suggest that your concept of 'Fun' is really a subjective plebish understanding.

90's games were more complex. Today's games are made for the ADD generation.

So the real question is: are you a crumb bum or human being? (hint: human beings enjoy thinking)

haberman13

You're a crumb bum, incapable of comprehending depth and breadth of thought.

Enjoy the Gears clones ...

edit: hold stick forward, hit trigger occasionally. LOL - how can anyone call this fun? Even from a judgment of value, older games at least tickled the brain, today you will LITERALLY become moronic by giving yourself over to the idiocy of console-ified games.

Stop worrying about releasing endorphines ... and consider the implication of your mind hammering foolish 'taste'. Some things are more valuable than others... that is an unarguable fact. So the question is, what do you consider valuable? Hammering your brain into nothing? Or increasing it's mass?

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Lack of complexity in what is inherently a mind challenge is absolutely a sign of devolution.

Kickinurass

Games are primarily a source of entertainment. If you were truly worried about challenging your mind, I question why you'd look at gaming in the first place. Even games such as AoEII, Diablo 2, and Deus Ex are fairly simple in the grand scheme of things.

Ahh but that is where you are wrong. Entertainment is a reflection of social reality (repeating myself).

Classical music is entertainment... so is JayZ ... I think we can say for certain one challenges your mind, and the other degrades it.

The inference of the 'bro gamer' phenomena is really a reflection of the drop in intelligence in these united states.

edit: if you use the word bro/bruh/brah/etc, your mind is incapable of understanding these deep realities; so don't bother replying!

No, I enjoy new games as well as the old ones, but I find new games tend to be too easy and much shorter. I remember older games were more challenging and were longer, they also weren't broken either when they came out and didn't need patches.

No resident evil just sucks now simple as that

Ahh but that is where you are wrong. Entertainment is a reflection of social reality (repeating myself).

Classical music is entertainment... so is JayZ ... I think we can say for certain one challenges your mind, and the other degrades it.

The inference of the 'bro gamer' phenomena is really a reflection of the drop in intelligence in these united states.

edit: if you use the word bro/bruh/brah/etc, your mind is incapable of understanding these deep realities; so don't bother replying!

haberman13

You're going to have to speak louder, your horse is too high. Bro.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]i grew up with games from the 90s. they're much better today than they were back then overall. but the best of the games back then are probably better than the best of nowhaberman13

This discussion already died, because people are thinking of things like physics and graphics....

Mechanics, game design, internal elements ... in the 90's these KEY factors were clearly superior.

Believe it or not, simpler games can be fun. Besides, one man's "dumbing down" is another man's "distillation".

Heck, I'll even fire up some Rainbow Six evey once in a while. But does that mean Vegas 1 and 2 are horrible compared to the original? Absolutely not. I loved Falcon 3.0. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy Ace Combat. They are what they are and I have no problem having loads of fun with older games as well as the more current ones.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Ahh but that is where you are wrong. Entertainment is a reflection of social reality (repeating myself).

Classical music is entertainment... so is JayZ ... I think we can say for certain one challenges your mind, and the other degrades it.

The inference of the 'bro gamer' phenomena is really a reflection of the drop in intelligence in these united states.

edit: if you use the word bro/bruh/brah/etc, your mind is incapable of understanding these deep realities; so don't bother replying!

balfe1990

You're going to have to speak louder, your horse is too high. Bro.

^ this is what I mean. Some people are truly done with thinking. Not sure when it happened, but it's here.

That isn't a response. And your pointless reference doesn't invalidate my supposition.

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Ahh but that is where you are wrong. Entertainment is a reflection of social reality (repeating myself).

Classical music is entertainment... so is JayZ ... I think we can say for certain one challenges your mind, and the other degrades it.

The inference of the 'bro gamer' phenomena is really a reflection of the drop in intelligence in these united states.

edit: if you use the word bro/bruh/brah/etc, your mind is incapable of understanding these deep realities; so don't bother replying!

haberman13

You're going to have to speak louder, your horse is too high. Bro.

^ this is what I mean. Some people are truly done with thinking. Not sure when it happened, but it's here.

That isn't a response. And your pointless reference doesn't invalidate my supposition.

I just can't grasp how people can be so pretentious when it comes to toys.

*My power-ranger is way more artsy and intellectually challenging than yours*

But you obviously dwell on a higher plane of existence, so I wouldn't understand.

It isn't about being stuck in the past, especially with respect to Resident Evil. I would prefer the survival horror, but as RE4 demonstrates the series can be aweosme as an action series as well. The problem with the new games is that they aren't survival horror AND they're terrible action games. RE5, Mercenaries, Revelations, and Raccoon City are all awful games. Modern games seem to be dead set on taking the "game" out of video games. Games are getting less and less interactive. It's getting to the point where you could get the same experience watching someone else play it as you would playing it yourself, because you're only vaguely in control of what's happening on the screen.famicommander

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Lack of complexity in what is inherently a mind challenge is absolutely a sign of devolution.

haberman13

Games are primarily a source of entertainment. If you were truly worried about challenging your mind, I question why you'd look at gaming in the first place. Even games such as AoEII, Diablo 2, and Deus Ex are fairly simple in the grand scheme of things.

Ahh but that is where you are wrong. Entertainment is a reflection of social reality (repeating myself).

Classical music is entertainment... so is JayZ ... I think we can say for certain one challenges your mind, and the other degrades it.

The inference of the 'bro gamer' phenomena is really a reflection of the drop in intelligence in these united states.

edit: if you use the word bro/bruh/brah/etc, your mind is incapable of understanding these deep realities; so don't bother replying!

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

You're going to have to speak louder, your horse is too high. Bro.

balfe1990

^ this is what I mean. Some people are truly done with thinking. Not sure when it happened, but it's here.

That isn't a response. And your pointless reference doesn't invalidate my supposition.

I just can't grasp how people can be so pretentious when it comes to toys.

*My power-ranger is way more artsy and intellectually challenging than yours*

But you obviously dwell on a higher plane of existence, so I wouldn't understand.

Some people can be, certainly.

I can understand appreciating past gens more than current ones, but to act like the past gens were the "golden age of gaming" and to act like gaming is dead now or whatever is just silly to me. Reading sh*t like "HURR DEVELOPERS ONLY CARE ABOUT GRAPHICS AND COD NOW HURR GAMING IS DEAD NOW" or whatever is groanworthy.

I really need to learn to avoid the comments section in youtube.

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

^ this is what I mean. Some people are truly done with thinking. Not sure when it happened, but it's here.

That isn't a response. And your pointless reference doesn't invalidate my supposition.

mems_1224

I just can't grasp how people can be so pretentious when it comes to toys.

*My power-ranger is way more artsy and intellectually challenging than yours*

But you obviously dwell on a higher plane of existence, so I wouldn't understand.

You're clearly a better human being than me then.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Games are primarily a source of entertainment. If you were truly worried about challenging your mind, I question why you'd look at gaming in the first place. Even games such as AoEII, Diablo 2, and Deus Ex are fairly simple in the grand scheme of things.

mems_1224

Ahh but that is where you are wrong. Entertainment is a reflection of social reality (repeating myself).

Classical music is entertainment... so is JayZ ... I think we can say for certain one challenges your mind, and the other degrades it.

The inference of the 'bro gamer' phenomena is really a reflection of the drop in intelligence in these united states.

edit: if you use the word bro/bruh/brah/etc, your mind is incapable of understanding these deep realities; so don't bother replying!

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Games are primarily a source of entertainment. If you were truly worried about challenging your mind, I question why you'd look at gaming in the first place. Even games such as AoEII, Diablo 2, and Deus Ex are fairly simple in the grand scheme of things.

mems_1224

Ahh but that is where you are wrong. Entertainment is a reflection of social reality (repeating myself).

Classical music is entertainment... so is JayZ ... I think we can say for certain one challenges your mind, and the other degrades it.

The inference of the 'bro gamer' phenomena is really a reflection of the drop in intelligence in these united states.

edit: if you use the word bro/bruh/brah/etc, your mind is incapable of understanding these deep realities; so don't bother replying!

I disagree, most people I know don't even read books, they just watch stupid "reality" TV shows. I'm the only one that reads in my circle and they all pick on me because of it.

Then you look at politics and you see people in either 2 camps, and voting for the same thing over and over again, while they let the media spin it how they want to, and they eat it up.

People don't think for themselves. They just want to work and then retire and then die, they don't want to live or learn. I think there has definately been a drop of intelligence in society. Pop culture is a good reflection of society's values, so what does ours say about us? You look at shows like Jersey Shore and people eat that crap up.

For games I don't go around telling people my taste is better than somebody else's, but the market is stagnant, it's mostly filled with shooters and tacked on MP modes now.

For games I don't go around telling people my taste is better than somebody else's

ShadowMoses900

You absolutely do. You are constantly putting your opinion on a pedestal.

I have been gaming since late 80s and im loving this gen. Just cant stand some new trends.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

For games I don't go around telling people my taste is better than somebody else's

balfe1990

You absolutely do. You are constantly putting your opinion on a pedestal.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

You're going to have to speak louder, your horse is too high. Bro.

balfe1990

^ this is what I mean. Some people are truly done with thinking. Not sure when it happened, but it's here.

That isn't a response. And your pointless reference doesn't invalidate my supposition.

I just can't grasp how people can be so pretentious when it comes to toys.

*My power-ranger is way more artsy and intellectually challenging than yours*

But you obviously dwell on a higher plane of existence, so I wouldn't understand.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="haberman13"]

Ahh but that is where you are wrong. Entertainment is a reflection of social reality (repeating myself).

Classical music is entertainment... so is JayZ ... I think we can say for certain one challenges your mind, and the other degrades it.

The inference of the 'bro gamer' phenomena is really a reflection of the drop in intelligence in these united states.

edit: if you use the word bro/bruh/brah/etc, your mind is incapable of understanding these deep realities; so don't bother replying!

ShadowMoses900

I disagree, most people I know don't even read books, they just watch stupid "reality" TV shows. I'm the only one that reads in my circle and they all pick on me because of it.

Then you look at politics and you see people in either 2 camps, and voting for the same thing over and over again, while they let the media spin it how they want to, and they eat it up.

People don't think for themselves. They just want to work and then retire and then die, they don't want to live or learn. I think there has definately been a drop of intelligence in society. Pop culture is a good reflection of society's values, so what does ours say about us? You look at shows like Jersey Shore and people eat that crap up.

For games I don't go around telling people my taste is better than somebody else's, but the market is stagnant, it's mostly filled with shooters and tacked on MP modes now.

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

^ this is what I mean. Some people are truly done with thinking. Not sure when it happened, but it's here.

That isn't a response. And your pointless reference doesn't invalidate my supposition.

soapandbubbles

I just can't grasp how people can be so pretentious when it comes to toys.

*My power-ranger is way more artsy and intellectually challenging than yours*

But you obviously dwell on a higher plane of existence, so I wouldn't understand.

Cheers for that Buddha.

:P

Gaming golden age was 1994-2004

Before and after are mostly schit.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="haberman13"]

Ahh but that is where you are wrong. Entertainment is a reflection of social reality (repeating myself).

Classical music is entertainment... so is JayZ ... I think we can say for certain one challenges your mind, and the other degrades it.

The inference of the 'bro gamer' phenomena is really a reflection of the drop in intelligence in these united states.

edit: if you use the word bro/bruh/brah/etc, your mind is incapable of understanding these deep realities; so don't bother replying!

ShadowMoses900

I disagree, most people I know don't even read books, they just watch stupid "reality" TV shows. I'm the only one that reads in my circle and they all pick on me because of it.

Then you look at politics and you see people in either 2 camps, and voting for the same thing over and over again, while they let the media spin it how they want to, and they eat it up.

People don't think for themselves. They just want to work and then retire and then die, they don't want to live or learn. I think there has definately been a drop of intelligence in society. Pop culture is a good reflection of society's values, so what does ours say about us? You look at shows like Jersey Shore and people eat that crap up.

For games I don't go around telling people my taste is better than somebody else's, but the market is stagnant, it's mostly filled with shooters and tacked on MP modes now.

so what? reading alot=/=automatically smart. just because people watch reality tv shows doesnt mean they're dumb people have never thought for themselves. most people are followers. jersey shore is funny. whats wrong with that? how is being a fan of video games any better than being a fan of reality tv shows? different strokes for different folks dude. mems_1224

People like him enrage me.

Where does this false sense of superiority stem from?

"I read books so I'm better than those people". God, it makes me physically ill.

I have been gaming since late 80s and im loving this gen. Just cant stand some new trends.

PAL360

You really have had a hard on for terrible looking games lately.

I have been gaming since late 80s and im loving this gen. Just cant stand some new trends.

PAL360

I've been gaming since the late 70s and things are only getting better and better. Try going back and playing Atari 2600! I remember how amazing I thought the NES was! I agree about the trends, I hate motion control, touch control, anything without buttons.