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#1 my_name_is_ron
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it's a fairly well known fact that the wii is somewhat lacking in truly quality titles. while the console lacks in graphical power it's still able to produce good game play. with this in mind and with the fact that the wii has been a runaway success sales wise is it fair to say that developers of wii games are a bit lazy? it seems that any old rubbish with either 'party' in the title or with a bunch of endorsed colourful cartoon characters backing up a game promises it to be a big money spinner whilst being incredibly cheap to make.

i'm not blaming the game developers, after all they're businesses and the aim of a business is to make money. but while on the ps3 and 360 developers need big budgets to make games with state of the art graphics as well as quality gameplay. not forgetting that sony and microsoft have to cater towards a user base with many more gaming connoisseurs. would you say veteren gamers are somewhat forgotten about on the wii and the attention is given to those who are new to gaming?

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#2 BiggGaming
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The Wii is just a weak system that has no real value to third party developers. The only games that see real success on that system are first party titles and developers know this. The Wii is great for third party shovelware and great first party exclusives, it will always be like this for the Wii.

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I wouldn't say that's a sign of being lazy, it;s more a sign of a company trying to push something that will appeal to a mass market. On the Wii, much of the audience is made up by kids, parents, grandparents etc (and obviously regular gamers).

There are some truly fun and unique games for the Wii, and those have been designed with the general gamer in mind, such as, Little King's Story, New Super Marios Bros, Super paper Mario etc etc.

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It's more the Wii userbase that makes them cautious to make quality games. The Nintendo fanbase has proven fickle in the past with not buying many quality third party games, and combined with this new "expanded audience" who is even more unpredictable except when there's a game with 'Wii" in the title.
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#5 Jelley0
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I think most of the 3rd part devlopers are lazy. And I think Nintendo is only lazy on a couple of their Wii games.

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I dont feel that developers are lazy, more that developers are pretty much forced by publishers to put niche, B-rate or spin offs on the console, dont give them enough time or resources, and then dont factor in an advertising budget large enough to generate sales that make the whole project worthwhile.

There have been some notable third party games, but most fall into this category. It has nothing to really do with the audience, who have proven that they will buy quality made, big budget, well advertised games, and more a problem with publishers.

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it's a fairly well known fact that the wii is somewhat lacking in truly quality titles. while the console lacks in graphical power it's still able to produce good game play. with this in mind and with the fact that the wii has been a runaway success sales wise is it fair to say that developers of wii games are a bit lazy? it seems that any old rubbish with either 'party' in the title or with a bunch of endorsed colourful cartoon characters backing up a game promises it to be a big money spinner whilst being incredibly cheap to make.

i'm not blaming the game developers, after all they're businesses and the aim of a business is to make money. but while on the ps3 and 360 developers need big budgets to make games with state of the art graphics as well as quality gameplay. not forgetting that sony and microsoft have to cater towards a user base with many more gaming connoisseurs. would you say veteren gamers are somewhat forgotten about on the wii and the attention is given to those who are new to gaming?

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Nah, it is a business, not lazy.
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I dont feel that developers are lazy, more that developers are pretty much forced by publishers to put niche, B-rate or spin offs on the console, dont give them enough time or resources, and then dont factor in an advertising budget large enough to generate sales that make the whole project worthwhile.

There have been some notable third party games, but most fall into this category. It has nothing to really do with the audience, who have proven that they will buy quality made, big budget, well advertised games, and more a problem with publishers.

eveileb-ekam

this

RE4 wii proves this

the best version of the game sold more then a milion on the wii

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it's a fairly well known fact that the wii is somewhat lacking in truly quality titles. while the console lacks in graphical power it's still able to produce good game play. with this in mind and with the fact that the wii has been a runaway success sales wise is it fair to say that developers of wii games are a bit lazy? it seems that any old rubbish with either 'party' in the title or with a bunch of endorsed colourful cartoon characters backing up a game promises it to be a big money spinner whilst being incredibly cheap to make.

i'm not blaming the game developers, after all they're businesses and the aim of a business is to make money. but while on the ps3 and 360 developers need big budgets to make games with state of the art graphics as well as quality gameplay. not forgetting that sony and microsoft have to cater towards a user base with many more gaming connoisseurs. would you say veteren gamers are somewhat forgotten about on the wii and the attention is given to those who are new to gaming?

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the fact that the bad wii games are not selling i would say its bold to proclaim the 360/ps3 have more gaming connoisseurs, the wii's consuming body is plenty discerning and thats why the biggest sellers on the system are nintendo made.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

it's a fairly well known fact that the wii is somewhat lacking in truly quality titles. while the console lacks in graphical power it's still able to produce good game play. with this in mind and with the fact that the wii has been a runaway success sales wise is it fair to say that developers of wii games are a bit lazy? it seems that any old rubbish with either 'party' in the title or with a bunch of endorsed colourful cartoon characters backing up a game promises it to be a big money spinner whilst being incredibly cheap to make.

i'm not blaming the game developers, after all they're businesses and the aim of a business is to make money. but while on the ps3 and 360 developers need big budgets to make games with state of the art graphics as well as quality gameplay. not forgetting that sony and microsoft have to cater towards a user base with many more gaming connoisseurs. would you say veteren gamers are somewhat forgotten about on the wii and the attention is given to those who are new to gaming?

the fact that the bad wii games are not selling i would say its bold to proclaim the 360/ps3 have more gaming connoisseurs, the wii's consuming body is plenty discerning and thats why the biggest sellers on the system are nintendo made.

i beg to differ. take a look at any of the wii best seller charts on any sites like amazon
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[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"]

it's a fairly well known fact that the wii is somewhat lacking in truly quality titles. while the console lacks in graphical power it's still able to produce good game play. with this in mind and with the fact that the wii has been a runaway success sales wise is it fair to say that developers of wii games are a bit lazy? it seems that any old rubbish with either 'party' in the title or with a bunch of endorsed colourful cartoon characters backing up a game promises it to be a big money spinner whilst being incredibly cheap to make.

i'm not blaming the game developers, after all they're businesses and the aim of a business is to make money. but while on the ps3 and 360 developers need big budgets to make games with state of the art graphics as well as quality gameplay. not forgetting that sony and microsoft have to cater towards a user base with many more gaming connoisseurs. would you say veteren gamers are somewhat forgotten about on the wii and the attention is given to those who are new to gaming?

the fact that the bad wii games are not selling i would say its bold to proclaim the 360/ps3 have more gaming connoisseurs, the wii's consuming body is plenty discerning and thats why the biggest sellers on the system are nintendo made.

i beg to differ. take a look at any of the wii best seller charts on any sites like amazon

the second game listed for the ps3 is Madagascar Kartz the first is MW2....
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[QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] the fact that the bad wii games are not selling i would say its bold to proclaim the 360/ps3 have more gaming connoisseurs, the wii's consuming body is plenty discerning and thats why the biggest sellers on the system are nintendo made.surrealnumber5
i beg to differ. take a look at any of the wii best seller charts on any sites like amazon

the second game listed for the ps3 is Madagascar Kartz the first is MW2....

we all know this

becouse ps3 games dont sell

but we arent talking about the ps3 now! its all about the wii :roll:

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It's more the Wii userbase that makes them cautious to make quality games. The Nintendo fanbase has proven fickle in the past with not buying many quality third party games, and combined with this new "expanded audience" who is even more unpredictable except when there's a game with 'Wii" in the title.Parasomniac

Okay the question needs to be ask. Which "quality" games in regard to the Nintendo fanbase are you refering to?

Also do you consider a spin off of a franchise (where the spin off has gameplay different from what made the franchise popular), a quality title? Do you fault the Nintendo fanbase if they were a fan of the 3rd party franchise because of it's gameplay but took a pass when that gameplay was completley changed?

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="my_name_is_ron"] i beg to differ. take a look at any of the wii best seller charts on any sites like amazonHalf-Way

the second game listed for the ps3 is Madagascar Kartz the first is MW2....

we all know this

becouse ps3 games dont sell

but we arent talking about the ps3 now! its all about the wii :roll:

but... but on amazon madagascar karts ps3 is far above the wii's madagascar karts, its easy to see that ps3 owners are "gaming connoisseurs" like no other.
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Nice title and most devs are lazy on the Wii too, with some good ones here and there.

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[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

I dont feel that developers are lazy, more that developers are pretty much forced by publishers to put niche, B-rate or spin offs on the console, dont give them enough time or resources, and then dont factor in an advertising budget large enough to generate sales that make the whole project worthwhile.

There have been some notable third party games, but most fall into this category. It has nothing to really do with the audience, who have proven that they will buy quality made, big budget, well advertised games, and more a problem with publishers.

Half-Way

this

RE4 wii proves this

the best version of the game sold more then a milion on the wii

RE4 doesn't prove anything. It's freaking RE4 and an early Wii game at that. Most people who bought it could have already owned the game on PS2 or GC and just wanted a better version.
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If only some Quality Titles would come for the Wii!

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Not really, They're just working with what they have.
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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

I dont feel that developers are lazy, more that developers are pretty much forced by publishers to put niche, B-rate or spin offs on the console, dont give them enough time or resources, and then dont factor in an advertising budget large enough to generate sales that make the whole project worthwhile.

There have been some notable third party games, but most fall into this category. It has nothing to really do with the audience, who have proven that they will buy quality made, big budget, well advertised games, and more a problem with publishers.

Parasomniac

this

RE4 wii proves this

the best version of the game sold more then a milion on the wii

RE4 doesn't prove anything. It's freaking RE4 and an early Wii game at that. Most people who bought it could have already owned the game on PS2 or GC and just wanted a better version.

Of course it proves something. If the game is a port of something that appeared on old hardware, then it did considerably well considering most gamers have already bought and played it before. It proves that Wii owners would rather play RE4 again than the rail shooter spin offs.
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#20 LegatoSkyheart
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Not really, They're just working with what they have. clubsammich91

That's bull. They have a lot more tools than what they are putting out.

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#21 my_name_is_ron
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Not really, They're just working with what they have. clubsammich91
there have been some cracking titles on the wii so the potential is there to make great games. but the wii catalogue is drowning in half arsed attempts at games to satisfy pressurised mothers at christmas and birthday times. i know the wii has a reputation of being a family console that anyone from children to grandparents can pick up and anjoy but that's no reason to churn out title after title of poorly constructed party rubbish, hannah montana and ben 10 titles.
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[QUOTE="Parasomniac"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"]

I dont feel that developers are lazy, more that developers are pretty much forced by publishers to put niche, B-rate or spin offs on the console, dont give them enough time or resources, and then dont factor in an advertising budget large enough to generate sales that make the whole project worthwhile.

There have been some notable third party games, but most fall into this category. It has nothing to really do with the audience, who have proven that they will buy quality made, big budget, well advertised games, and more a problem with publishers.

this

RE4 wii proves this

the best version of the game sold more then a milion on the wii

RE4 doesn't prove anything. It's freaking RE4 and an early Wii game at that. Most people who bought it could have already owned the game on PS2 or GC and just wanted a better version.

What about Umbrella Chronicles? World At War? Reflex?
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#23 vashkey
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Isn't that like what the Wii is supposed to be about? Nintendo purposely released a platform thats vastly weaker than the competition so that development would be less costly/ambitious. Nintendo themselves have been lazy, rereleasing Gamecube games like Pikmin, Metroid Prime and Mario Tennis selling hundred of thousand of units and spending minimal amounts of cash on development despite having crap loads of cash and fully able to actually create ambitious game titles.
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#25 Ontain
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i don't think they are lazy. i think they just aren't the A team for the 3rd party devs. that and they aren't funded nearly as well as the ps3/360 3rd party titles.