Are you genuinely hyped for NX or just "wait and see"?

I'm hyped, and I know I'm going to get shit for as the reason why, but I'm going to say it anyway: Iwata isn't in the picture. This will be Kimishima's show, and I've a feeling this will make a difference.

@MirkoS77:

Nah, I think that's fair. Obviously it would be nice if the circumstances were different, but it is what it is. Nintendo needs to change the way they do things. Sucks that Iwatas passing is a factor in that, but what can ya do?

Yea. I always feel the need to apologize or pay due respect in discussing my feelings towards Iwata and how things may be different with him gone, but enough time has passed to pay respects. It's just many people adore the guy so much that they can't distinguish his personal life from his professional one. I shouldn't feel the need to apologize every time his name is brought up, but I tend to think we may begin to see differences for the better with him absent, and saying that isn't disrespectful just due to unfortunate circumstances.

Kind of both. Super Mario 3D World was not a Wii U seller for me because it seems too similar to what I've played a lot of before, not seeming to be fresh enough, and the Wii U's own Zelda never even came out, becoming an interesting new Zelda making it's way to the NX as well.

I'm very interested to see how the new Mario and Zelda turn out, with Nintendo being more ambitious with them. Those two along with one or more other games may be enough to get me to buy an NX.

@MirkoS77:

Yeah dude, I see where you're coming from and I absolutely agree. Iwata the human being and Iwata the decision maker at Nintendo are two different things. I see no need for you to apologize either. Great guy or not he was steering the ship at Nintendo and it wasn't going so swell.

Obviously neither of us wanted him to pass, and some may see it as insulting that we perceive a silver lining in this, but again, it is what it is man.

Wait and see for sure. I'm so far behind on playing games that I want to play that I probably won't be picking up an NX for years.

after the wiiu disaster definitely wait and see

I can't be too hyped. We know virtually nothing about the console, so right now I have what I would call guarded optimism, and a wait and see attitude. Still I own every Nintendo console and handheld at some point, so I expect to own an NX.

Hyped for whatever nintendo shows off

Not hyped. More pessimistic.

I'm just curious to know WTF it actually is.

As far as 3rd party support, I highly doubt it will ever happen.....as usual.

Oh yes of course. All consoles are secondary.

I hope NX can stand on its own like PS4 does , not be a secondary platform for anyone that aint gaming on pc

Hyped for NES Mini, going for the wait & see approach for the NX.

Waiting, no Metroid and no new Zelda was real disappointing for wii u even if it got other good games

Yup. Important to be able to make the distinction, because it's wrong for people to resort to how Iwata died in order to defend his tenure. As you said, different things.

Wait and see. Last nintendo I owned was N64 so I skipped the cube, wii and wii u.

@MirkoS77: i think iwatas effect is still going to be very present for the NX (for better or worse). he was there for a large part of the consoles/handhelds/platforms/thingymajigs development and they are hardly going to dump all that and start again. if anything they will treat it as a tribute to him internally.

Kimishima is also an accountant basically as far as i know. he is in there as a care taker for now. so i dont see how that can be seen as a major positive or a sign for sweeping changes at nintendo HQ. if anything (based on the limited info coming out) its business as usual...completing the changes iwata had planned before his passing.

Iwata aint gone nowhere, Iwata started Pokemon GO and Amiibos. He also fought to let companies use Nintendos IP. I bet you Iwata even wanted to release Wii U earlier, but the old higher ups wanted to bask in the Wii profits longer.

How you like that 3ft cord. Not a drop of concern and the hype is so strong preorders are selling out in seconds.

It will take years before Iwata's influence has passed. The NX, whatever it may be, is on his time. There's nothing Kimi can do at a core level, but I do believe he can make alterations to Iwata's plans. Iwata had said the NX would be shown at this past E3, and I suspect had he been alive it would've been and probably launched earlier with a poor software lineup that may have resulted in more droughts (which Iwata repeatedly promised to fix yet never could). Kimishima said more time was needed for the software to get ready, so.....

They generally have to stick to Iwata's plan, but there's some wiggle room.

@iandizion713: I know you respect Iwata. Though I can't say I appreciate him coming up with amiibos, they need to all die in a fire.

@MirkoS77: Iwata never said they would talk about NX at e3. It was rumor until Nintendo announced they wouldnt talk about it. Also Kim has no power to override the board, he is no Iwata. After Iwatas death, everything was restructured. Iwata wasnt your typical President, he had a lot of power.

Yes, DLC you can buy, sell, trade, gift, and share is evil, please, get over it. Its an innovative toy that is enjoyed by millions.

Iwata did have a lot of power, he stacked the board with people favorable to him to consolidate his position to make him harder to remove. Read the thread, it's an interesting insight as to Iwata's moves as he came into power....

.....and the amiibos are exploitative plastic garbage that necessitates that people embrace the toy figure industry and abides by its economical dictates to fully exploit Nintendo's games. Don't want the figure? Guess what, you're missing out on cool extras that for some reason Nintendo doesn't offer on their own. Amiibos present a very exclusionary distribution model for DLC.

@MirkoS77: Whats wrong with toys? I dont get it. So your anti DLC, cool story. But why try to spin it a Nintendo thing? I dont get it. Nintendo has best DLC in the industry. Iwata was smart with DLC.

Wait and see. There aren't any details on the thing. I'm not about to get hyped for something I know nothing about. For all I know, it could be a Wii U in a different case. I want to know that it's going to get support.

If we get a MH5 announcement then yes.

@iandizion713: Nothing's wrong with toys, but I've no interest. I enjoy DLC as long as it remains within the realm of gaming, but toys aren't DLC. If I don't want them, I'll be missing out on the wolf in the new Zelda (for example.....which I would buy on the e-shop if it were available). What makes it terrible is amiibos place content/features behind (as I said) the economics of the toy industry. Stuff that is probably worth only a few dollars if it were DLC has to abide by the production cost of toys.

Essentially, it demands people to embrace a different industry they may hold no interest in to fulfill one they do. It's coercive in nature and that's my problem. My issue would vanish instantly if digital was an option. Why is Nintendo refusing to do this? As implemented, it is again the worst form of DLC conceived yet.

@MirkoS77: So buy and sell it. Can unlock your DLC and then sell the toy to someone else. Or just buy Nintendos digital DLC and skip the Amiibos. Nintendo has amazing DLC, they cater to all.

@iandizion713: Nintendo doesn't offer Amiibo DLC without the toy, that's the whole point. And no, I'm not going to jump through ridiculous hoops to obtain this DLC due to Nintendo's continued idiocy and stubbornness. They've simply lost business.

Brilliant Nintendo, as usual. Yea, they certainly cater to all.....especially those who don't want toys. Give me one good reason why they can't sell the content from Amiibos separately.

Excited for what though? There's not a single thing there to be excited about. Nintendo has zero skill when it comes to making hardware that is worth owning. This is more than a wait and see, they are going to have to fucking amaze to get any kind of pulse from me.

Physical media will soon die. But plenty of people still enjoy to buy it. Nintendo wanted to make physical media that had a purpose. If they make the Amiibo content digital, their isnt as much value in the Amiibo, its collect status will fad and its physical status will then be a waste and remove. Physical will die.

I'm not advocating replacing amiibos with digital, but only giving an alternative for those who don't want them. Kimishima said this:

"What we’re seeing instead is that the Amiibo are being picked up more as a collection item at this point, rather than, say, as an interactive item with software. And so we haven’t really established them as an enhancement for all of our software at this point."

It's not like sales would plummet off a cliff if something people are not even buying it for in the first place (by Nintendo's own admission) was available separately. There's apparently already plenty of value in Amiibo as many are buying them just for the toys. That doesn't mean, however, that the content/features don't also hold value to those who don't want the the toys. I see no harm in pleasing everyone in this case. Nintendo is excluding an entire subset of gamers and leaving money on the table.

Yet in all their wisdom, is now looking to double down on Amiibos and begin significantly tying their games to them while continuing to offer no option. You cannot spin this any other way: it's exclusionary and anti-consumer to those who don't want the figures.

@MirkoS77: If you paid attention to what he stated, he is adding them to software to help in that matter. Animal Crossing New Leaf was the latest to be added with Amiibo support.

Its called a compromise. Cant make everyone happy. If Nintendo wanted to do just plain digital DLC, they would as they have the best digital DLC in the business. Nintendo likes to cater to all.

I'm sorry, but this is such crap. Are you even reading what I'm typing?

"Nintendo likes to cater to all".

"Can't make everyone happy".

That's called a contradiction, so which is it? Nintendo does have some great DLC (Mario Kart for one), but Amiibos are shit, and they will remain shit. You still have not given me a valid reason as to why Amiibo DLC cannot be offered separately, and even Nintendo (who I am arguing against) supports my position by logical implications granted by their own statements. It seems to be absolute with you. Either it's DLC with Amiibo, or all digital. Yea, it is called a compromise, which Nintendo doesn't afford.

They are NOT for everyone, and you're delusional if you believe otherwise.

@MirkoS77: I dont see a problem with offering both forms of DLC. I think its an awesome ideal. Amiibo are fun.

@iandizion713: then we agree offering both forms of DLC does not present a problem.

Well, most of the NX product design would have been completed under Iwata's stewardship. So at best, Kimishima's influence may be felt in terms of the actual launch itself (e.g. the marketing approach and that sort of thing). But based on what we're seeing so far, Kimishima will continue to implement the plan that Iwata had been discussing prior to his death (e.g. move into mobile games, new architecture strategy with NX, better leverage of IP, etc...)

Anyway, my attitude with all new consoles is really "wait and see" by default - I don't tend to get overly-hyped about things before they are released. But by the same token, I usually buy all new consoles anyway (although I haven't yet got an Xbox One).

So I'm sure I'll pick up the NX, and I hope Nintendo continue to innovate with it, but who knows what it will be.

I'm hyped for the nx.

if its $300 or less and backwards compatible, then i'm buying for sure. I need to play xenoblade chronicles x.

I'm on the fence. The NX needs to knock the metaphorical ball out of the park. Comparible graphics with current gen consoles or better, great 3rd party support, and new IP to supplement the usual Mario, and Zelda. If it can do that I will buy it. If not better luck next gen big N.

Wait and see but cautious nintendo will do something stupid as usual with it.

I've heard almost nothing about it and even less about what games it's getting.

It's probably just a matter of "when", not "if" but I'll say I'm gonna wait to see

Not as hyped as I was for the Wii U, since I'm far more satisfied with the power level of the Wii U today than I was with the Wii in 2011. If it has Splat2n and Zelda looks/performs substantially better I'll probably grab it pretty early though.

Not so much Iwata's plan, but the person behind it executing it. Iwata's influence will be around for years for better or worse, but at least he won't be managing things. I take some semblance of comfort from that.

Got Wii U at launch and so deeply regretted it, wow.

Definitely not getting the NX.

Me personally, i am not really that excited, But I do have deep respect for nintendo, as the supernintendo was phenomenal. One of the problems however is that, they just dont have their mojo anymore. What games would we be playing? more anything mario and zelda rehashes? Its a damn shame companies like RARE are no longer with them. Rare has gone down the tubes as a matter of fact ever since Microsoft. And if you want to play 3rd party games , Then why not just stick with your current ps4 or bone or pc? Do you really need nintendo console for this?

I dunno, The gimmick this time gotta be really revolutionary, Else I predict they will perform about as badly as they have done with the WII U.

I'm more interested in the NES Mini as far as purchasing goes, but I am interested to what Nintendo does with the NX, though purely from a curiosity side.

@MirkoS77: Not so much Iwata's plan, but the person behind it executing it. Iwata's influence will be around for years for better or worse, but at least he won't be managing things. I take some semblance of comfort from that.

Well, you need to plan before you execute. :-)

In any case, it's definitely Iwata's plan - or, to be more politically correct, it's the plan that Nintendo's senior management developed during Iwata's tenure as company president. So at the very least, it would be the plan he'd worked through and signed-off.

Given Iwata's position within the company, he wouldn't have directly "managed" very much - many of the same managers would be around now. A company president's role is really to drive the strategic direction for the business; you then have operational managers who execute on that strategy.

The broad brush-strokes of what we'll see through the lifespan of the NX platform are based on the strategic plan driven by Iwata, as opposed to Kimishima (although I'm sure Kimishima was heavily involved in developing said plan).

I think the more interesting point is to see how Nintendo responds as they receive feedback on the plan - what I mean is, how will they respond to the massive success of Pokémon Go, and will that change anything about their overall direction? Presumably it will, but maybe we won't see those changes in the short-term (given that Nintendo - and Japanese companies in general - tend to be longer-term planners).