are you guilty of griefing in an online game?

for those of you who don't know what griefing is:

"A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game that purposely irritates and harasses other players."

more specifically: "griefers - differ from typical players in that they do not play the game in order to achieve objectives defined by the game world. Instead, they seek to harass other players, causing grief. In particular, they may use tools such as stalking, hurling insults, and exploiting unintended game mechanics. ..."

this video gives a great example of griefing in GTA 4. obstructing races, blaring the car's horn, spamming player options/kick. that's not even including the verbal harassment.

I won't lie, some of these videos of griefers are funny, but I do find it annoying. isn't that the case with anyone who doesn't experience it firsthand though?

and on the matter of GTA IV, I'm very guilty of it, it's easily one of the most exploitable games for the griefing practice. (examples listed and shown in the video.) sometimes in a GTA race 75% of the players just won't finish and they'll mess around, forcing the winners to wait to even have their points/wins recorded. and believe me.....it can take upwards of 20 minutes to get back to the lobby.

other than that, I don't have a history of griefing anyone else. I don't swear, I barely use my Mic outside of party chat. really, I never knew I was guilty of the practice until I came across these videos today.

anyhow, do you think griefing is a major problem in online gaming. what games are the worst for this...discuss.

Not guilty because I've never done anything like that.

Yeah I think its funny.

Hell no. I have no reason too. I find it quite sad actually (the verbal part), especially when I saw a group of guys bullying some kid on MW2 (going by the squeakiness of the voices). Then again he shouldn't have even been playing.

As for GTA IV races, every race people would do that (especially GTA Race with weapons). I know it's not fair though.

Hell no. I have no reason too. I find it quite sad actually (the verbal part), especially when I saw a group of guys bullying some kid on MW2 (going by the squeakiness of the voices). Then again he shouldn't have even been playing.

As for GTA IV races, every race people would do that (especially GTA Race with weapons). I know it's not fair though.

SaltyMeatballs

yeah, a GTA IV race isn't a GTA IV race without a bus choking off a street.:P

Umm...I've griefed stat padders a few times.

I only grief when the person deserves it.

For instance getting killed by some random guy in RDR more then once for no reason, most times my gun won't even be drawed, I might be hunting or doing the survivalist challenges. When that happens I just invite some of my friends to the game and we spawn kill the person/s till they leave. I've done this about 5 times and it's worked every time.

Umm...I've griefed stat padders a few times.

Storm_Marine

you mean like stat boosters?

now that's where it might be acceptable. though, you'd be ignoring the game's objective to interfere with other people who are similarly ignoring the objective.

seeing as you brought that up, I've sort of griefed stat boosters in MW2.

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Umm...I've griefed stat padders a few times.

HavocV3

though, you'd be ignoring the game's objective to interfere with other people who are similarly ignoring the objective.

No they were all stat padding. It wasn't on a official server, it was a serverhosted just for stat padding.

Actually it was in Warhawk and all the players were grouped around a flag using a glitch to score an ridiculous amount of points....I called a airstrike on them then left before they could kick me. 8) I belive Incognito fixed the glitch eventually though.

alcohol induced greifing is common, one of the reasons i shouldnt think its a grand idea to play MW2 if were at my mates after the pub.It always turns into us just shouting at he tv at random people cause we think its absurdly hillarious.

No never, although I do laugh when I witness it, mostly in MW2.

Eh sometimes I'll do some annoying things to people online, but not too often.

All the time in L4D and L4D2

My friend and I think it's hilarious to throw molotovs to block people's paths, or (if we can get far enough away) to start shooting them with snipers.

We don't intend on killing them, but rather to give the zombies an added advantage against our teammates.

Good times. We really don't play either game anymore, though :(

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Umm...I've griefed stat padders a few times.

Storm_Marine

though, you'd be ignoring the game's objective to interfere with other people who are similarly ignoring the objective.

No they were all stat padding. It wasn't on a official server, it was a serverhosted just for stat padding.

Actually it was in Warhawk and all the players were grouped around a flag using a glitch to score an ridiculous amount of points....I called a airstrike on them then left before they could kick me. 8) I belive Incognito fixed the glitch eventually though.

oh, well that changes everything.

Yes, Team Fortress 2 but nothing verbal and it was always in games I hosted.

No. I've been gaming online since the early 90's and have never griefed anyone. It's stupid and childish.

The servers I play on won't stand for it, they'll ban your ass.

Yes and no. I'm guilty of verbal and textual insults, but that's about it. I played Team Fortress 2 last night and the server rules had it so you couldn't make any sexual references or anything like that... but me and bunch of other people were making a bunch of sexual innuendos over the chat anyway and we eventually got banned... it wasn't really griefing though because almost everyone thought it was funny and was playing along. I always talk a bunch of **** when I play Dota, but people take that game so seriously that they can't realize I'm joking. And I used an aim bot in a game once - makes the game really boring, don't see why people do it.

I play laughing sound clips (especially Heavy's laugh :D) into the mic when I score a goal in FIFA

Nah, I play nice. The only time I'm intentionally a jerk is when playing something like Halo 3 co-op with a friend. It's fun shooting the marines until they all turn on you. :P

I play laughing sound clips (especially Heavy's laugh :D) into the mic when I score a goal in FIFA

anshul89

:lol:

I can only imagine your opponents reaction.

In particular, they may use tools such as stalking, hurling insults

HavocV3

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In particular, they may use tools such as stalking, hurling insults

Ninja-Hippo

I love that video. It's my griefing Bible.

I am usually pretty nice when I play online. Once in a while, I mess around with someone for the lulz, but I keep it in check.

No. And it doesn't bother me either. I find listening to it funny sometimes. Otherwise, there is a reason developers invented the mute function.

Team Fortress 2

Griefing

Guilty as charged. :P

But I only grief little kids with mics or d-bag players.

Griefing can be fun, to watch, and hell, those people get creative with it, so it might not be so bad to experience either. But in my experience griefing consists of nothing but teammates continually shooting you/blowing up your vehicles, which is purely annoying.

Griefing can be fun, to watch, and hell, those people get creative with it, so it might not be so bad to experience either. But in my experience griefing consists of nothing but teammates continually shooting you/blowing up your vehicles, which is purely annoying.

InsaneBasura

I sometimes go out of my way to hinder people doing something cheap.
The worst was actually in a recent game. One of the most frustrating games i have ever played called APB.
I spend 10 minutes blocking the players cars from going anywhere.

Like every 5 minutes You play that game, something happens that is so annoying... I once ate a whole bag of candy in like 1 minute of APB.

I would never team kill unless I'm tk'ing someone who is tk'ing others. On Uncharted 2 co-op I had a player who would refuse to heal us and constantly shoot at us or toss grenades, but not do it outright. He would just shoot at us when it was hectic so we couldn't blame him. After a while I finally just killed him off and he left.

The only time I ever really grief is on BC2 when I'm dealing with snipers on the attacking team who do absolutely NOTHING to help, all they do is kill enemies who, you know, have infinitie respawns right next to the bomb sights. When that happens I pull out the tracer dart and shoot them in the head, or if I'm on hardcore I act creative with my mortar strikes.

On Red Dead: Redemption and GTA IV I am actually guilty of it, but since it happens so often I don't count it. While I actually try to care about racing in GTA race, if I'm straight up losing I just go ahead and put a bus around a corner. In free roam I'm also guilty of tossing a sticky bomb at a car full of guys and getting my posse in RDR to mess up a smaller, weaker posse while they were in a hideout.

I also do some occasional camping in FPS games, but I just can't stand being in one spot and being a jerk to people who pass, especially on no spawn modes where I just plain despise jerks with heartbeat moniters and high power shotguns.

Griefing people makes on-line games worth the $60. I do it all the time, especially in WarCraft3. I plan to do it often in StarCraft2 once it comes out too. Griefing ultimately becomes a game within the game, that ends up being way more fun than the actual game itself. I love griefing you goinks and I'm never going to stop...

trollop_scat

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Griefing people makes on-line games worth the $60. I do it all the time, especially in WarCraft3. I plan to do it often in StarCraft2 once it comes out too. Griefing ultimately becomes a game within the game, that ends up being way more fun than the actual game itself. I love griefing you goinks and I'm never going to stop...

trollop_scat

If you found that offensive stay faaaaar away from battle.net kiddo. For your own good...

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In particular, they may use tools such as stalking, hurling insults

Ninja-Hippo

yeah, I'm just going by Google: define:

I came across the use of the word griefing in this video today, the guy griefs for a living. and he does the silly questions 'how do I fire' while standing behind someone, happens in that video and another similar attack in SOCOM. there're really funny to watch, I'll admit.

but if I'm being griefed in certain games like Shadowrun, I'd be extremely pissed.

this might be the worst thing you can do.