Argue with me.

Alrght SW. I have an arguement.

the 360 seems to be in VERY bad shpe. but its not for reasons you may expect.I honestly think that MS is stretching themselves WAY too thin. and relying WaY too much on 3rd party and establised franchises.

Recently I got a RRoD. nowMy 360 is out of warranty. and I want to upgrade.However I began thinking. Is it a wise investment? I mean I'm building a Rig and I have a P3. I've played all the past games I've wanted and MS's franchises are getting stale to me. Now this brought up an intresting question to me.

Most 3rd party games go multiplat. Also 3rd party exclusivity is really going down the drain because the fanbases is too huge when combined to make a company 1 sided.

Also MS has a laughable 1st party recylig the same 3 exclusives over and over- Forza, Halo, Fable. I began thinking. Why would anyone want to invest into a 360 for multiplats? PC is so much better. and Ps3/360 diffrences aren;t usually game breaking. so really themultiplat arguement is out.

Then I started thinking of Alan wake- my favorite game this year. It could go multiplat since MS doesn't own the IP same case with gears(after 3)and Kingdoms. That made me question MS'sstardegy. Its WAY too flimsy. I honestly think that MGS needs a way bigger 1st party to stand a chance agaisnt Sony this gen.

Next gen aswell. what do you think is a better investment? a console with a big first party insuring games. or a console that has timed exclusives and the occasional exclusive?

This whole thing made me realize that MS takes gamers for granted. As if multiplats are all that mattered to keep core happy. I mean MS is in the most unstable point of this gen.. THier biggest franchise is beig made by a new dev. This put LOADS of expectations and untless its outstanding thn gamers will bang on it. AA won't cut it. Not only that but CoD is starting to slow down and soon will be like GH in which no one really cares about it anymore. Whats that leave the 360 with? Kinect games. Now that won't cut it for everyone (or most actually)

so SW tell me what the 360 got as a hook now?

(BTW before you hook me onto some SW faction you should know that I am going full manticore not to any side)

I'll wait to see what they do in these last couple of years and beginning of next gen before I pull out my crystal ball.

i cant argue since if this was my situation i would just go without a 360 and buy the nextbox at launch. it's cant be more than a couple of years away.

strange I expected hundreds of lemmings to attack me. Funny thing is I posted this n the Xbox forums and nearly everybody is agreeing too. I honestly can't see why someone would buy a 360 at this point unless for kinect or XBLA since MS obviously is oblivious to the fact hat they need a bigger 1st party. (hints of flame bait in here)mayceV

[QUOTE="mayceV"]strange I expected hundreds of lemmings to attack me. Funny thing is I posted this n the Xbox forums and nearly everybody is agreeing too. I honestly can't see why someone would buy a 360 at this point unless for kinect or XBLA since MS obviously is oblivious to the fact hat they need a bigger 1st party. (hints of flame bait in here)Vinegar_Strokes

[QUOTE="mayceV"]strange I expected hundreds of lemmings to attack me. Funny thing is I posted this n the Xbox forums and nearly everybody is agreeing too. I honestly can't see why someone would buy a 360 at this point unless for kinect or XBLA since MS obviously is oblivious to the fact hat they need a bigger 1st party. (hints of flame bait in here)Vinegar_Strokes

http://forums.xbox.com/35283451/ShowPost.aspx

strange I expected hundreds of lemmings to attack me. Funny thing is I posted this n the Xbox forums and nearly everybody is agreeing too. I honestly can't see why someone would buy a 360 at this point unless for kinect or XBLA since MS obviously is oblivious to the fact hat they need a bigger 1st party. (hints of flame bait in here)mayceV

Agreed!Instead spendin half billion dolars on Kinect marketing they could use it to buy couple of studios and have couple of more new ip exclusives per year.Stupid MS is stupid...

[QUOTE="mayceV"]strange I expected hundreds of lemmings to attack me. Funny thing is I posted this n the Xbox forums and nearly everybody is agreeing too. I honestly can't see why someone would buy a 360 at this point unless for kinect or XBLA since MS obviously is oblivious to the fact hat they need a bigger 1st party. (hints of flame bait in here)dommeus

FINALLY, yes I agree that not everybody is on SW nor really knows all exclusives however I'm talking about now. look a it this way, I'm a gamer who doesn't know every new release nor really care if a game is on another platform. Now I go to my friend whom is slightly less casual than me- he looks up games every now and then.. He goes and tells me that He's bored of the yearly CoD game since its usally the dame thing in a diffrent skin. He tells me about a few Ps3 exclusives (or convinces me to look into PC gaming) since he hears there's a lot of them. When puch comes to shove I'd likely look up one or 2 upcomming Ps3 o PC games that he's talking about and since Sony's exclusive line up is pretty big there's robably a good chance that I'd like 2 or 3 (more if I count back catalogue). If this was to continue I may realize "Hey this Ps3 ain't half bad its get quite a few good games maybe I should look into it" It's not an immedate thing with the casuals they go by friends and game with them. However news of Sony's line up without a is more or less atleast heard of amoung casuals.

Also I find it funny

"How many more exclusives does the PS3 have? Like 10? Not everyone is going to like those 10 games"

sorry but theres a much bigger chance that someone would like a few of those 12 than someone liking 1 of 2.

[QUOTE="dommeus"][QUOTE="mayceV"]strange I expected hundreds of lemmings to attack me. Funny thing is I posted this n the Xbox forums and nearly everybody is agreeing too. I honestly can't see why someone would buy a 360 at this point unless for kinect or XBLA since MS obviously is oblivious to the fact hat they need a bigger 1st party. (hints of flame bait in here)mayceV

I agree with you for the most part TC. And honestly, this has always been the case for me. I purchased a 360 and realized later that it was a really dumb choice. I am a bit jealous of Halo and Alan Wake, but a couple games isnt enough to make me buy a system, and I prefer FPS games on PC anyway. Any multiplat is on PC and its better, or its on PS3. I own PC, PS3, and Wii. There is not much I can't get with that combination. Besides, MS's system was (IDK if Slim fixed this) very unreliable and really just a bad console. For the longest time it came with no built in wifi. THE WII HAS BUILT IN WIFI! It makes you pay for online, it has proprietary harddrives, headsets and so on. It just isnt that good in all honesty. If you really want to play the few great exclusives it has, then go for it, but otherwise I just dont see the point.

strange I expected hundreds of lemmings to attack me. Funny thing is I posted this n the Xbox forums and nearly everybody is agreeing too. I honestly can't see why someone would buy a 360 at this point unless for kinect or XBLA since MS obviously is oblivious to the fact hat they need a bigger 1st party. (hints of flame bait in here)mayceV

[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="dommeus"] How many more exclusives does the PS3 have? Like 10? Not everyone is going to like those 10 games. I'm not defending MS, but where I live the xbox is cheaper than the PS3 and the kinect bundle is only a little more. Not every consumer is going to find out about all the exclusives and make a decision. Not every gamer is as 'core' as most of SW is. For some it is just a passing hobby, playing popular games like COD, Madden, Fifa etc...they likely make up the large majority of the console userbase, and they couldn't give two ****s.dommeus

Ok, I will argue with you.

You are delusional like most people on SWs. You buy into the (mis) belief that exclusives matter in a significant way.

When it is pointed out that 90% of the library is shared between PS3 and X360 and that really only a handful of games are different you jump up and say 'aha, this means that the few exclusives are even more important'. This is where you are delusional.

Less and less differentiation on the actual game library does not make the fewer and fewer game differences more important. It does the opposite. It makes the game library differences less important and raises the importance of other attributes.

If there is no meaningful difference in game library, then I'll go with the cheaper, or what my friends have, or what I perceive as the better online, or whatever.

Aside from price, the most important of these other reasons is what my friends have. According to the Bass Theory, all consumer products have coefficients of innovation and imitation. Innovation is what you think of as 'features'. Imitation is buying what your friends have.

People who think the 360 will just stop selling in NAmerica are delusional. It continues to sell well because it already has a large install base and people buying in the 2nd half of a generation are buying what their friends have. Follow the leader. This is also exactly the same reason that the 360 is dead in Japan and no manner of features, advertising or promotion can resurrect it. No one has it. So no one wants what nobody has. It is too late.

So, the number one reason to get a 360 is - because lost of other people already have one. Same reason you bought the jeans you did even though there is minimal differences in jeans. Or lipstick. Or running shoes. Or a gazillion other products. Imagine, raging nerd debates about the soles, leather quality, shoelaces, eyelets etc in running shoes. LMAO.

There. Do I get a cookie?

SUD123456

Exclusives DO matter. Especially when you are someone who owns a PC that does EVERYTHING consoles do, but better, and does way more. :roll:

Ok, I will argue with you.

You are delusional like most people on SWs. You buy into the (mis) belief that exclusives matter in a significant way.

When it is pointed out that 90% of the library is shared between PS3 and X360 and that really only a handful of games are different you jump up and say 'aha, this means that the few exclusives are even more important'. This is where you are delusional.

Less and less differentiation on the actual game library does not make the fewer and fewer game differences more important. It does the opposite. It makes the game library differences less important and raises the importance of other attributes.

If there is no meaningful difference in game library, then I'll go with the cheaper, or what my friends have, or what I perceive as the better online, or whatever.

Aside from price, the most important of these other reasons is what my friends have. According to the Bass Theory, all consumer products have coefficients of innovation and imitation. Innovation is what you think of as 'features'. Imitation is buying what your friends have.

People who think the 360 will just stop selling in NAmerica are delusional. It continues to sell well because it already has a large install base and people buying in the 2nd half of a generation are buying what their friends have. Follow the leader. This is also exactly the same reason that the 360 is dead in Japan and no manner of features, advertising or promotion can resurrect it. No one has it. So no one wants what nobody has. It is too late.

So, the number one reason to get a 360 is - because lots of other people already have one. Same reason you bought the jeans you did even though there is minimal differences in jeans. Or lipstick. Or running shoes. Or a gazillion other products. Imagine, raging nerd debates about the soles, leather quality, shoelaces, eyelets etc in running shoes. LMAO.

There. Do I get a cookie?

SUD123456

first off no need for name calling, on SW people aren't delusional so don't jump to conclusions. and You are wrong in every statement you made. it is the small things that count. Why buy a 360 if I have gaming rig that pummels it in every way? now in realty a normal person wouldn't however I'm asking people to justify it. you list because everyone has one. Everyone has PS3 that I know so your theory is smashed its because of games. Now I am trying to see the hook but its not really there since MP is very big in PC. 360 is lagging behiend in exclusives and is inferior to PC in multiplats. Just because everyone has one doesn't automatically equate to people buying them.

[QUOTE="dommeus"][QUOTE="mayceV"] FINALLY, yes I agree that not everybody is on SW nor really knows all exclusives however I'm talking about now. look a it this way, I'm a gamer who doesn't know every new release nor really care if a game is on another platform. Now I go to my friend whom is slightly less casual than me- he looks up games every now and then.. He goes and tells me that He's bored of the yearly CoD game since its usally the dame thing in a diffrent skin. He tells me about a few Ps3 exclusives (or convinces me to look into PC gaming) since he hears there's a lot of them. When puch comes to shove I'd likely look up one or 2 upcomming Ps3 o PC games that he's talking about and since Sony's exclusive line up is pretty big there's robably a good chance that I'd like 2 or 3 (more if I count back catalogue). If this was to continue I may realize "Hey this Ps3 ain't half bad its get quite a few good games maybe I should look into it" It's not an immedate thing with the casuals they go by friends and game with them. However news of Sony's line up without a is more or less atleast heard of amoung casuals. Also I find it funny "How many more exclusives does the PS3 have? Like 10? Not everyone is going to like those 10 games" sorry but theres a much bigger chance that someone would lie a few of those 12 than someone liking 1 of 2.mayceV

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Ok, I will argue with you.

You are delusional like most people on SWs. You buy into the (mis) belief that exclusives matter in a significant way.

When it is pointed out that 90% of the library is shared between PS3 and X360 and that really only a handful of games are different you jump up and say 'aha, this means that the few exclusives are even more important'. This is where you are delusional.

Less and less differentiation on the actual game library does not make the fewer and fewer game differences more important. It does the opposite. It makes the game library differences less important and raises the importance of other attributes.

If there is no meaningful difference in game library, then I'll go with the cheaper, or what my friends have, or what I perceive as the better online, or whatever.

Aside from price, the most important of these other reasons is what my friends have. According to the Bass Theory, all consumer products have coefficients of innovation and imitation. Innovation is what you think of as 'features'. Imitation is buying what your friends have.

People who think the 360 will just stop selling in NAmerica are delusional. It continues to sell well because it already has a large install base and people buying in the 2nd half of a generation are buying what their friends have. Follow the leader. This is also exactly the same reason that the 360 is dead in Japan and no manner of features, advertising or promotion can resurrect it. No one has it. So no one wants what nobody has. It is too late.

So, the number one reason to get a 360 is - because lots of other people already have one. Same reason you bought the jeans you did even though there is minimal differences in jeans. Or lipstick. Or running shoes. Or a gazillion other products. Imagine, raging nerd debates about the soles, leather quality, shoelaces, eyelets etc in running shoes. LMAO.

There. Do I get a cookie?

mayceV

first off no need for name calling, on SW people aren't delusional so don't jump to conclusions. and You are wrong in every statement you made. it is the small things that count. Why buy a 360 if I have gaming rig that pummels it in every way? now in realty a normal person wouldn't however I'm asking people to justify it. you list because everyone has one. Everyone has PS3 that I know so your theory is smashed its because of games. Now I am trying to see the hook but its not really there since MP is very big in PC. 360 is lagging behiend in exclusives and is inferior to PC in multiplats. Just because everyone has one doesn't automatically equate to people buying them.

Again, the justification is Halo, Gears (if 2 and 3 stay exclusive), Forza, and a couple others like Alan Wake. If those arent going to make you stick around, then there is absolutely no reason to have a 360. It sounds to me like you have made up your mind, and I think you are making the right choice :).

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Ok, I will argue with you.

You are delusional like most people on SWs. You buy into the (mis) belief that exclusives matter in a significant way.

When it is pointed out that 90% of the library is shared between PS3 and X360 and that really only a handful of games are different you jump up and say 'aha, this means that the few exclusives are even more important'. This is where you are delusional.

Less and less differentiation on the actual game library does not make the fewer and fewer game differences more important. It does the opposite. It makes the game library differences less important and raises the importance of other attributes.

If there is no meaningful difference in game library, then I'll go with the cheaper, or what my friends have, or what I perceive as the better online, or whatever.

Aside from price, the most important of these other reasons is what my friends have. According to the Bass Theory, all consumer products have coefficients of innovation and imitation. Innovation is what you think of as 'features'. Imitation is buying what your friends have.

People who think the 360 will just stop selling in NAmerica are delusional. It continues to sell well because it already has a large install base and people buying in the 2nd half of a generation are buying what their friends have. Follow the leader. This is also exactly the same reason that the 360 is dead in Japan and no manner of features, advertising or promotion can resurrect it. No one has it. So no one wants what nobody has. It is too late.

So, the number one reason to get a 360 is - because lost of other people already have one. Same reason you bought the jeans you did even though there is minimal differences in jeans. Or lipstick. Or running shoes. Or a gazillion other products. Imagine, raging nerd debates about the soles, leather quality, shoelaces, eyelets etc in running shoes. LMAO.

There. Do I get a cookie?

NaveedLife

Exclusives DO matter. Especially when you are someone who owns a PC that does EVERYTHING consoles do, but better, and does way more. :roll:

Of course they matter, but only when there are big differences, not small differences, or when you are making incremental decisions.. You already made a choice to PC game. Whether some of the PC library is also on the the consoles is irrelevant to you. If most of the PC library was the same as the console library and if the they looked the same and played the same then a small amount of difference wouldn't matter. That is my point.

PC gamers like the huge total available library, the better graphics, the k/m, the mods, etc. They didn't choose the PC because of a small amount of difference between game libraries amounting to a handful of exclusives - like so many people want to pretend is so important in the PS3/X360 battle. They chose the PC because of a whole bunch of significant reasons.

So again, a small difference in exclusives does not matter.

Ok, I will argue with you.

You are delusional like most people on SWs. You buy into the (mis) belief that exclusives matter in a significant way.

When it is pointed out that 90% of the library is shared between PS3 and X360 and that really only a handful of games are different you jump up and say 'aha, this means that the few exclusives are even more important'. This is where you are delusional.

Less and less differentiation on the actual game library does not make the fewer and fewer game differences more important. It does the opposite. It makes the game library differences less important and raises the importance of other attributes.

If there is no meaningful difference in game library, then I'll go with the cheaper, or what my friends have, or what I perceive as the better online, or whatever.

Aside from price, the most important of these other reasons is what my friends have. According to the Bass Theory, all consumer products have coefficients of innovation and imitation. Innovation is what you think of as 'features'. Imitation is buying what your friends have.

People who think the 360 will just stop selling in NAmerica are delusional. It continues to sell well because it already has a large install base and people buying in the 2nd half of a generation are buying what their friends have. Follow the leader. This is also exactly the same reason that the 360 is dead in Japan and no manner of features, advertising or promotion can resurrect it. No one has it. So no one wants what nobody has. It is too late.

So, the number one reason to get a 360 is - because lots of other people already have one. Same reason you bought the jeans you did even though there is minimal differences in jeans. Or lipstick. Or running shoes. Or a gazillion other products. Imagine, raging nerd debates about the soles, leather quality, shoelaces, eyelets etc in running shoes. LMAO.

There. Do I get a cookie?

SUD123456

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Ok, I will argue with you.

You are delusional like most people on SWs. You buy into the (mis) belief that exclusives matter in a significant way.

When it is pointed out that 90% of the library is shared between PS3 and X360 and that really only a handful of games are different you jump up and say 'aha, this means that the few exclusives are even more important'. This is where you are delusional.

Less and less differentiation on the actual game library does not make the fewer and fewer game differences more important. It does the opposite. It makes the game library differences less important and raises the importance of other attributes.

If there is no meaningful difference in game library, then I'll go with the cheaper, or what my friends have, or what I perceive as the better online, or whatever.

Aside from price, the most important of these other reasons is what my friends have. According to the Bass Theory, all consumer products have coefficients of innovation and imitation. Innovation is what you think of as 'features'. Imitation is buying what your friends have.

People who think the 360 will just stop selling in NAmerica are delusional. It continues to sell well because it already has a large install base and people buying in the 2nd half of a generation are buying what their friends have. Follow the leader. This is also exactly the same reason that the 360 is dead in Japan and no manner of features, advertising or promotion can resurrect it. No one has it. So no one wants what nobody has. It is too late.

So, the number one reason to get a 360 is - because lost of other people already have one. Same reason you bought the jeans you did even though there is minimal differences in jeans. Or lipstick. Or running shoes. Or a gazillion other products. Imagine, raging nerd debates about the soles, leather quality, shoelaces, eyelets etc in running shoes. LMAO.

There. Do I get a cookie?

SUD123456

Exclusives DO matter. Especially when you are someone who owns a PC that does EVERYTHING consoles do, but better, and does way more. :roll:

Of course they matter, but only when there are big differences, not small differences, or when you are making incremental decisions.. You already made a choice to PC game. Whether some of the PC library is also on the the consoles is irrelevant to you. If most of the PC library was the same as the console library and if the they looked the same and played the same then a small amount of difference wouldn't matter. That is my point.

PC gamers like the huge total available library, the better graphics, the k/m, the mods, etc. They didn't choose the PC because of a small amount of difference between game libraries amounting to a handful of exclusives - like so many people want to pretend is so important in the PS3/X360 battle. They chose the PC because of a whole bunch of significant reasons.

So again, a small difference in exclusives does not matter.

Basically it goes like this:

PC = greatest for multiplates AND it has amazing exclusives like Diablo, STALKER, Witcher, Warcraft, Starcraft, Crysis (1), and many more.

PS3 on the other hand has IMO the best exclusives. It has so many and most are at least good if not amazing. It has a blu ray player, its more durable, it doesnt have proprietary bullcrap like the 360, free online, and more. PS3 is the better choice, unless you love Halo, Gears, Forza, and Fable. and IMO Fable is Severly overrated, Gears is boring and repetitive, and although I am jealous of Halo, PC FPS's are the best. As for Forze, I have not played it, it could be the best thing ever :P. I am also a tad jealous of Alan Wake and kingdoms (coming next year) and such, but its not enough for ME to buy a 360.

[QUOTE="mayceV"]

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Ok, I will argue with you.

You are delusional like most people on SWs. You buy into the (mis) belief that exclusives matter in a significant way.

When it is pointed out that 90% of the library is shared between PS3 and X360 and that really only a handful of games are different you jump up and say 'aha, this means that the few exclusives are even more important'. This is where you are delusional.

Less and less differentiation on the actual game library does not make the fewer and fewer game differences more important. It does the opposite. It makes the game library differences less important and raises the importance of other attributes.

If there is no meaningful difference in game library, then I'll go with the cheaper, or what my friends have, or what I perceive as the better online, or whatever.

Aside from price, the most important of these other reasons is what my friends have. According to the Bass Theory, all consumer products have coefficients of innovation and imitation. Innovation is what you think of as 'features'. Imitation is buying what your friends have.

People who think the 360 will just stop selling in NAmerica are delusional. It continues to sell well because it already has a large install base and people buying in the 2nd half of a generation are buying what their friends have. Follow the leader. This is also exactly the same reason that the 360 is dead in Japan and no manner of features, advertising or promotion can resurrect it. No one has it. So no one wants what nobody has. It is too late.

So, the number one reason to get a 360 is - because lots of other people already have one. Same reason you bought the jeans you did even though there is minimal differences in jeans. Or lipstick. Or running shoes. Or a gazillion other products. Imagine, raging nerd debates about the soles, leather quality, shoelaces, eyelets etc in running shoes. LMAO.

There. Do I get a cookie?

first off no need for name calling, on SW people aren't delusional so don't jump to conclusions. and You are wrong in every statement you made. it is the small things that count. Why buy a 360 if I have gaming rig that pummels it in every way? now in realty a normal person wouldn't however I'm asking people to justify it. you list because everyone has one. Everyone has PS3 that I know so your theory is smashed its because of games. Now I am trying to see the hook but its not really there since MP is very big in PC. 360 is lagging behiend in exclusives and is inferior to PC in multiplats. Just because everyone has one doesn't automatically equate to people buying them.

Again, the justification is Halo, Gears (if 2 and 3 stay exclusive), Forza, and a couple others like Alan Wake. If those arent going to make you stick around, then there is absolutely no reason to have a 360. It sounds to me like you have made up your mind, and I think you are making the right choice :).

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Exclusives DO matter. Especially when you are someone who owns a PC that does EVERYTHING consoles do, but better, and does way more. :roll:

NaveedLife

Of course they matter, but only when there are big differences, not small differences, or when you are making incremental decisions.. You already made a choice to PC game. Whether some of the PC library is also on the the consoles is irrelevant to you. If most of the PC library was the same as the console library and if the they looked the same and played the same then a small amount of difference wouldn't matter. That is my point.

PC gamers like the huge total available library, the better graphics, the k/m, the mods, etc. They didn't choose the PC because of a small amount of difference between game libraries amounting to a handful of exclusives - like so many people want to pretend is so important in the PS3/X360 battle. They chose the PC because of a whole bunch of significant reasons.

So again, a small difference in exclusives does not matter.

Basically it goes like this:

PC = greatest for multiplates AND it has amazing exclusives like Diablo, STALKER, Witcher, Warcraft, Starcraft, Crysis (1), and many more.

PS3 on the other hand has IMO the best exclusives. It has so many and most are at least good if not amazing. It has a blu ray player, its more durable, it doesnt have proprietary bullcrap like the 360, free online, and more. PS3 is the better choice, unless you love Halo, Gears, Forza, and Fable. and IMO Fable is Severly overrated, Gears is boring and repetitive, and although I am jealous of Halo, PC FPS's are the best. As for Forze, I have not played it, it could be the best thing ever :P. I am also a tad jealous of Alan Wake and kingdoms (coming next year) and such, but its not enough for ME to buy a 360.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Ok, I will argue with you.

You are delusional like most people on SWs. You buy into the (mis) belief that exclusives matter in a significant way.

When it is pointed out that 90% of the library is shared between PS3 and X360 and that really only a handful of games are different you jump up and say 'aha, this means that the few exclusives are even more important'. This is where you are delusional.

Less and less differentiation on the actual game library does not make the fewer and fewer game differences more important. It does the opposite. It makes the game library differences less important and raises the importance of other attributes.

If there is no meaningful difference in game library, then I'll go with the cheaper, or what my friends have, or what I perceive as the better online, or whatever.

Aside from price, the most important of these other reasons is what my friends have. According to the Bass Theory, all consumer products have coefficients of innovation and imitation. Innovation is what you think of as 'features'. Imitation is buying what your friends have.

People who think the 360 will just stop selling in NAmerica are delusional. It continues to sell well because it already has a large install base and people buying in the 2nd half of a generation are buying what their friends have. Follow the leader. This is also exactly the same reason that the 360 is dead in Japan and no manner of features, advertising or promotion can resurrect it. No one has it. So no one wants what nobody has. It is too late.

So, the number one reason to get a 360 is - because lots of other people already have one. Same reason you bought the jeans you did even though there is minimal differences in jeans. Or lipstick. Or running shoes. Or a gazillion other products. Imagine, raging nerd debates about the soles, leather quality, shoelaces, eyelets etc in running shoes. LMAO.

There. Do I get a cookie?

mayceV

first off no need for name calling, on SW people aren't delusional so don't jump to conclusions. and You are wrong in every statement you made. it is the small things that count. Why buy a 360 if I have gaming rig that pummels it in every way? now in realty a normal person wouldn't however I'm asking people to justify it. you list because everyone has one. Everyone has PS3 that I know so your theory is smashed its because of games. Now I am trying to see the hook but its not really there since MP is very big in PC. 360 is lagging behiend in exclusives and is inferior to PC in multiplats. Just because everyone has one doesn't automatically equate to people buying them.

Dude, I did not mean to offend you. You entitled your thread Argue With Me. I did. I thought is was obvious that when I used 'delusional' I was being playful.

Moreover, my argument is perfectly sound. Your own words prove it.

Why buy a 360 when I have a gaming rig that pummels it in every way. Those are your words. Think about it. You are stating that for you there are tons of reasons why a gaming rig is better. In the greater scheme of things there is total library, graphics, mods, etc.

Here is where you are wrong. Not everone is like you. Why should consoles exist at all, since gaming rigs destroy them? Yet consoles exist. How do you explain that?

Every statement I made is correct. It is just not universally true for every person. Just like your thoughts about gaming rigs are not universally true. You can't think of a reason why someone should buy a 360, yet they are selling millions. So, why are they selling millions? If you have a better reason than mine, please do share.

Last. Don't invite people to argue with you if you are not actually prepared to discuss the matter.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Of course they matter, but only when there are big differences, not small differences, or when you are making incremental decisions.. You already made a choice to PC game. Whether some of the PC library is also on the the consoles is irrelevant to you. If most of the PC library was the same as the console library and if the they looked the same and played the same then a small amount of difference wouldn't matter. That is my point.

PC gamers like the huge total available library, the better graphics, the k/m, the mods, etc. They didn't choose the PC because of a small amount of difference between game libraries amounting to a handful of exclusives - like so many people want to pretend is so important in the PS3/X360 battle. They chose the PC because of a whole bunch of significant reasons.

So again, a small difference in exclusives does not matter.

dommeus

Basically it goes like this:

PC = greatest for multiplates AND it has amazing exclusives like Diablo, STALKER, Witcher, Warcraft, Starcraft, Crysis (1), and many more.

PS3 on the other hand has IMO the best exclusives. It has so many and most are at least good if not amazing. It has a blu ray player, its more durable, it doesnt have proprietary bullcrap like the 360, free online, and more. PS3 is the better choice, unless you love Halo, Gears, Forza, and Fable. and IMO Fable is Severly overrated, Gears is boring and repetitive, and although I am jealous of Halo, PC FPS's are the best. As for Forze, I have not played it, it could be the best thing ever :P. I am also a tad jealous of Alan Wake and kingdoms (coming next year) and such, but its not enough for ME to buy a 360.

yep I am stating an opinion which I said many times ;). The TC seems to be of the same opinion that these games are not enough and or on the way out. So does it really matter. Again if you love the few great 360 exclusives than have at it. Sony has delivered many exclusives, a lot of which are new IP's and many that are ones returning. And it seems as though these exclusives are always much more polished and they take their time with them to make them something special, rather than a lot of 360's games. Again Halo and Forza are great, but Gears isnt even theirs and I am willing to be the second and third get put on PC or something sooner or later.

If you are looking at it from a gamers' standpoint, then yes, I could see how you would come to that conclusion. But from a business standpoint, their formula seems to be working. I don't like the anemic offering of 1st party games anymore than you do, but they've continued to profit from the 3rd party sales, and with Kinect doing numbers, it's not going to hurt their wallets anytime soon.

In fact, this formula is also kinda showing you how little exclusives actually matter in the overall scheme of things, unless you are a gamer with only one system.

I honestly feel, you are looking at the business of video games through the shades of SW. More average consumers will buy a 360, than play on their PC, especially with Kinect. If MS' strategy is so bad, how are they surpassing their last gen effort in every way? Although a well written OP, I certainly wouldn't let you do my financial planning, TC. System Wars is a fun place, but it is not reality. Consumers will buy a console for 3rd party games like COD and Madden, whether the almighty gamers of SW believe it's worht it or not. These rules and things we hold so dear do not add up to much when calculating the bottom line. cainetao11

You basically just proved what I said earlier. The average consumer is stupid and purchases the 360 because they know their buddy has it and it plays CoD so why not...herp de derp. IDK maybe because if they were smart and did research they would know that the system was a rediculously awful piece of tech (IDK if the slim is still). These are the same people that buy alienware PC's that are WAAY to exepnsive and overheat (laptops). Luckily, we have the knowledge to be smarter than the average consumer ;).

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Ok, I will argue with you.

You are delusional like most people on SWs. You buy into the (mis) belief that exclusives matter in a significant way.

When it is pointed out that 90% of the library is shared between PS3 and X360 and that really only a handful of games are different you jump up and say 'aha, this means that the few exclusives are even more important'. This is where you are delusional.

Less and less differentiation on the actual game library does not make the fewer and fewer game differences more important. It does the opposite. It makes the game library differences less important and raises the importance of other attributes.

If there is no meaningful difference in game library, then I'll go with the cheaper, or what my friends have, or what I perceive as the better online, or whatever.

Aside from price, the most important of these other reasons is what my friends have. According to the Bass Theory, all consumer products have coefficients of innovation and imitation. Innovation is what you think of as 'features'. Imitation is buying what your friends have.

People who think the 360 will just stop selling in NAmerica are delusional. It continues to sell well because it already has a large install base and people buying in the 2nd half of a generation are buying what their friends have. Follow the leader. This is also exactly the same reason that the 360 is dead in Japan and no manner of features, advertising or promotion can resurrect it. No one has it. So no one wants what nobody has. It is too late.

So, the number one reason to get a 360 is - because lost of other people already have one. Same reason you bought the jeans you did even though there is minimal differences in jeans. Or lipstick. Or running shoes. Or a gazillion other products. Imagine, raging nerd debates about the soles, leather quality, shoelaces, eyelets etc in running shoes. LMAO.

There. Do I get a cookie?

NaveedLife

Exclusives DO matter. Especially when you are someone who owns a PC that does EVERYTHING consoles do, but better, and does way more. :roll:

The one thing PC's don't have though,

For the most part, other than RTS games, PC lacks blockbuster exclusives......that's the PC's Achilles heel.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Ok, I will argue with you.

You are delusional like most people on SWs. You buy into the (mis) belief that exclusives matter in a significant way.

When it is pointed out that 90% of the library is shared between PS3 and X360 and that really only a handful of games are different you jump up and say 'aha, this means that the few exclusives are even more important'. This is where you are delusional.

Less and less differentiation on the actual game library does not make the fewer and fewer game differences more important. It does the opposite. It makes the game library differences less important and raises the importance of other attributes.

If there is no meaningful difference in game library, then I'll go with the cheaper, or what my friends have, or what I perceive as the better online, or whatever.

Aside from price, the most important of these other reasons is what my friends have. According to the Bass Theory, all consumer products have coefficients of innovation and imitation. Innovation is what you think of as 'features'. Imitation is buying what your friends have.

People who think the 360 will just stop selling in NAmerica are delusional. It continues to sell well because it already has a large install base and people buying in the 2nd half of a generation are buying what their friends have. Follow the leader. This is also exactly the same reason that the 360 is dead in Japan and no manner of features, advertising or promotion can resurrect it. No one has it. So no one wants what nobody has. It is too late.

So, the number one reason to get a 360 is - because lost of other people already have one. Same reason you bought the jeans you did even though there is minimal differences in jeans. Or lipstick. Or running shoes. Or a gazillion other products. Imagine, raging nerd debates about the soles, leather quality, shoelaces, eyelets etc in running shoes. LMAO.

There. Do I get a cookie?

Unnatural101

Exclusives DO matter. Especially when you are someone who owns a PC that does EVERYTHING consoles do, but better, and does way more. :roll:

The one thing PC's don't have though,

For the most part, other than RTS games, PC lacks blockbuster exclusives......that's the PC's Achilles heel.

That is definitely not true, although I can agree that some of the bigger exclusives are not as well known and maybe not appealing to some. STALKER, The Witcher, Diablo, Warcraft, Starcraft, Crysis, Operation Arrowhead, and MANY indie games. There are tons I am forgetting, but believe me PC has tons of exclusives, although again I can understand why you may not really see that, as I personally don't own that many PC exclusives.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]I honestly feel, you are looking at the business of video games through the shades of SW. More average consumers will buy a 360, than play on their PC, especially with Kinect. If MS' strategy is so bad, how are they surpassing their last gen effort in every way? Although a well written OP, I certainly wouldn't let you do my financial planning, TC. System Wars is a fun place, but it is not reality. Consumers will buy a console for 3rd party games like COD and Madden, whether the almighty gamers of SW believe it's worht it or not. These rules and things we hold so dear do not add up to much when calculating the bottom line. NaveedLife

You basically just proved what I said earlier. The average consumer is stupid and purchases the 360 because they know their buddy has it and it plays CoD so why not...herp de derp. IDK maybe because if they were smart and did research they would know that the system was a rediculously awful piece of tech (IDK if the slim is still). These are the same people that buy alienware PC's that are WAAY to exepnsive and overheat (laptops). Luckily, we have the knowledge to be smarter than the average consumer ;).

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]I honestly feel, you are looking at the business of video games through the shades of SW. More average consumers will buy a 360, than play on their PC, especially with Kinect. If MS' strategy is so bad, how are they surpassing their last gen effort in every way? Although a well written OP, I certainly wouldn't let you do my financial planning, TC. System Wars is a fun place, but it is not reality. Consumers will buy a console for 3rd party games like COD and Madden, whether the almighty gamers of SW believe it's worht it or not. These rules and things we hold so dear do not add up to much when calculating the bottom line. cainetao11

You basically just proved what I said earlier. The average consumer is stupid and purchases the 360 because they know their buddy has it and it plays CoD so why not...herp de derp. IDK maybe because if they were smart and did research they would know that the system was a rediculously awful piece of tech (IDK if the slim is still). These are the same people that buy alienware PC's that are WAAY to exepnsive and overheat (laptops). Luckily, we have the knowledge to be smarter than the average consumer ;).

True, but if you buy a car to get you places and you go with something horribly unreliable and it breaks down in a couple years, where as you could have went with something very reliable like a Honda and it lasts you far longer for the same price, wouldnt you have wished you had the knowledge of knowing that? I know what you mean, but luckily for us, we DO have that knowledge when it comes to gameing ;).

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

You basically just proved what I said earlier. The average consumer is stupid and purchases the 360 because they know their buddy has it and it plays CoD so why not...herp de derp. IDK maybe because if they were smart and did research they would know that the system was a rediculously awful piece of tech (IDK if the slim is still). These are the same people that buy alienware PC's that are WAAY to exepnsive and overheat (laptops). Luckily, we have the knowledge to be smarter than the average consumer ;).

NaveedLife

True, but if you buy a car to get you places and you go with something horribly unreliable and it breaks down in a couple years, where as you could have went with something very reliable like a Honda and it lasts you far longer for the same price, wouldnt you have wished you had the knowledge of knowing that? I know what you mean, but luckily for us, we DO have that knowledge when it comes to gameing ;).

True, but if you buy a car to get you places and you go with something horribly unreliable and it breaks down in a couple years, where as you could have went with something very reliable like a Honda and it lasts you far longer for the same price, wouldnt you have wished you had the knowledge of knowing that? I know what you mean, but luckily for us, we DO have that knowledge when it comes to gameing ;).

NaveedLife

If the car is so much faster than the Honda, and they fix it for free, hell yeah I'd go with that.

While I hear and understand what you are saying, I am glad I don't see it totally that way. I don't believe the average consumer is stupid for buying a 360 or PS3 or Wii. I believe this is our passion. I am not passionate about car engines, so I can't be bothered with researching them. If someone doesn't want to research game consoles and buys a 360, I don't see a problem with their intelligence. cainetao11

This. I'm not going to question anyone's knowledge for buying one 10 pound piece of plastic over another. Their money, their prerogative. I might think they were ignorant for going on someone else's word instead of finding out information on their own, but hell, we've all done that.

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]

The one thing PC's don't have though,

For the most part, other than RTS games, PC lacks blockbuster exclusives......that's the PC's Achilles heel.

NaveedLife

That is definitely not true, although I can agree that some of the bigger exclusives are not as well known and maybe not appealing to some. STALKER, The Witcher, Diablo, Warcraft, Starcraft, Crysis, Operation Arrowhead, and MANY indie games. There are tons I am forgetting, but believe me PC has tons of exclusives, although again I can understand why you may not really see that, as I personally don't own that many PC exclusives.

Half of those games, while good games, at least half of them are not blockbuster exclusives.

Also, Diablo 3 is going to console.

If you don't mind, what are your thoughts on that? Like, as a Primary PC gamer does that upset you?

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

True, but if you buy a car to get you places and you go with something horribly unreliable and it breaks down in a couple years, where as you could have went with something very reliable like a Honda and it lasts you far longer for the same price, wouldnt you have wished you had the knowledge of knowing that? I know what you mean, but luckily for us, we DO have that knowledge when it comes to gameing ;).

waltefmoney

If the car is so much faster than the Honda, and they fix it for free, hell yeah I'd go with that.

But the 360 i not so much faster than the PS3...its not faster at all. :?

@ the poster before the one I qouted :P

No the PS3 is not as reliable as it should be and its not perfect, but being better than the the 360 is definitely a plus ;). PC is far and away the most durable and reliable, but for consoles the 360 is by far (or was, IDK) the worst gaming console ever to be released for reliability. Why would so many ignorant consumers keep supporting them? Kinda strange to me.

But the 360 i not so much faster than the PS3...its not faster at all. :?

NaveedLife

Yeah it is.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]

The one thing PC's don't have though,

For the most part, other than RTS games, PC lacks blockbuster exclusives......that's the PC's Achilles heel.

Unnatural101

That is definitely not true, although I can agree that some of the bigger exclusives are not as well known and maybe not appealing to some. STALKER, The Witcher, Diablo, Warcraft, Starcraft, Crysis, Operation Arrowhead, and MANY indie games. There are tons I am forgetting, but believe me PC has tons of exclusives, although again I can understand why you may not really see that, as I personally don't own that many PC exclusives.

Half of those games, while good games, at least half of them are not blockbuster exclusives.

Also, Diablo 3 is going to console.

If you don't mind, what are your thoughts on that? Like, as a Primary PC gamer does that upset you?

First of all Diablo III is not going to console, they are trying out diablo on consoles and who knows. It could happen, but I can guarentee if it does it wont be released at the same time as PC.

Umm I don't really care, as long as they don't abandon PC players. It's not like they are going to be dumbing down the graphics for consoles, as Blizzard never goes for the best graphics :P. I would love to be able to play with my friend who doesnt have a PC, but loves Diablo II. Well he doesnt have a good PC anyway :P. I am VERY pleased with everything I see from Diablo III and some people complain of "consolization" but I don't se anything wrong with it thus far, and on top of that I think consolization outside of slightly weaker graphics is somewhat crap. SO heres to hoping IF they bring it to consoles PC players are able to play with console players, as otherwise it might break up the community in an undesirable way.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

But the 360 i not so much faster than the PS3...its not faster at all. :?

waltefmoney

Yeah it is.

Wait...What?

Compared to the PS3, XBOX 360 is lesser hardware...so what do you mean exactly?

First of all Diablo III is not going to console, they are trying out diablo on consoles and who knows. It could happen, but I can guarentee if it does it wont be released at the same time as PC.

Umm I don't really care, as long as they don't abandon PC players. It's not like they are going to be dumbing down the graphics for consoles, as Blizzard never goes for the best graphics :P. I would love to be able to play with my friend who doesnt have a PC, but loves Diablo II. Well he doesnt have a good PC anyway :P. I am VERY pleased with everything I see from Diablo III and some people complain of "consolization" but I don't se anything wrong with it thus far, and on top of that I think consolization outside of slightly weaker graphics is somewhat crap. SO heres to hoping IF they bring it to consoles PC players are able to play with console players, as otherwise it might break up the community in an undesirable way.

NaveedLife

I can pretty much guarantee that Diablo 3 is going to consoles...that's pretty much set.

Whether it comes to consoles at the same time, I'm not sure..it might. Why? 1, because Activision wants it. 2, because Starcraft 2 hasn't done the numbers and hit the lofty expectations they had hoped for. 3. Because PC gamers pirated the hel out of Starcraft 2 and it has bothered Blizzard....can't blame them.

I doubt that Diablo 3 will have cross platform play. Most likely you will not be able to play with you console friend, unfortunately.