Armored Core 4 - PS3 vs. 360 Video!!!!

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#53 Truth-slayer
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The only difference I could gleam from the trailer are the differences in lighting, I guess it is a matter of which you prefer.
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#54 Dualshockin
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It looks like the PS3 version is better because you can actually see things more clear..and the 360 version is so dark barely can see anythin..did they plan to this or what..elementz28
I thought there was a problem with my monitor lol,I couldnt see anything when they were showing the 360 version! Graphicwise,the Ps3 edges out the 360 because of the brightness issue,other than that,they're the same. And is it just me or is this brightness issue existant in almost all Ps3 Vs 360 comparisons?It's like the 360 version isnt in HD...............
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#56 DSgamer64
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Meh a few minor details with the environment I really dont care about, you wont notice them when you are playing the game really.
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#57 WARRZONE
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[QUOTE="WARRZONE"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="cobrax80"]

[QUOTE="WARRZONE"]I like the explosions and background better on the 360 version. I like how the PS3 version is lighter, because I can't see anything at some parts in the 360 version. Comparison Video: SD Quicktime: http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17891&type=mov&pl=game SD WMV: http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17891&type=wmv&pl=game HD Quicktime: http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17890&type=mov&pl=game HD WMV: http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17890&type=wmv&pl=gameBerserker_2

I've noticed that in all of gametrailers comparisons, the PS3 seems too bright and the 360 seems too dark.

My guess is that PS3 does not use HDR. The 360 obviously uses it but some low budget games are too dark with HDR.

Maybe so. Far Cry and Half Life 2 use HDR nicely, but what were their budgets compared to Armored Core 4's budget? Probably a lot more. What puzzles me is why would they make one system use it, but not the other?

The PC version of Oblivion could not do HDR and Anti-aliasing at the same time. The 360 version could. My guess is that the PS3 can't do HDR for "free". The 360 can do this because it has the extra 10MB of EDRAM on the GPU.

That makes since. The PS3 cannot do HDR and 4xFSAA at the same time like 360 can. This is a weakness with nVidia GPUs (7x series). ATI GPUs use seperate logic for FSAA so it doesnt impact the GPU, which is why it can do both. PCs with 2x Geforce7800 SLI still cannot do FSAA and HDR at the same time. So PS3 can do HDR and it can do FSAA just not at the same time. The 360 can do it because of the EDRAM chip you mentioned. There must not be any FSAA in Tony Hawk's Project 8 for the PS3 since it clearly uses HDR. I guess there will be no FSAA in Lair either since it also uses HDR. I think HDR used well>FSAA. You shouldn't even have the need for FSAA if developers did a good job smoothing everything out. It's too bad Sega cheaped out on this one.
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#59 FFVII_Madness55
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Why is the 360 version so dark?

You can hardly see anything.

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#60 WARRZONE
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Why does the 360 version so dark?FFVII_Madness55
Bad use of HDR (read some posts above). HDR can also make things look fake. A good example of HDR is Need for Speed Carbon on the 360.
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#61 Dualshockin
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Why is the 360 version so dark?

You can hardly see anything.

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True,it's so bad that in some instances you cant even see the environment,eg:
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#62 Happyphilter
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Does anyone see what i see. there are bigger differences then the contrast.

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#63 Citizen_Zero
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[QUOTE="FFVII_Madness55"]Why does the 360 version so dark?WARRZONE
Bad use of HDR (read some posts above).



Don't you just hate people that come into a thread like this and not read any of the post beside the TC's. I posted a quality comparison on this subject and over 80% of them skipped it. they did not even bother reading your posts explaining why it is like that.

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#65 Dualshockin
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Does anyone see what i see. there are bigger differences then the contrast.

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I see the 360 version has this "greenish" tint.....
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#66 Happyphilter
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[QUOTE="Happyphilter"]

Does anyone see what i see. there are bigger differences then the contrast.

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I see the 360 version has this "greenish" tint.....

maybe its supposed to be kidna greenish, or is it supposed to look like the ps3 version. washed out, blured, and with poor textures...oh and...the JAGGIES
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#67 Citizen_Zero
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Reposted for the one's who missed it. The X360 Version is over all graphically better, you all can all sit there and talk about witch one is brighter or darker all you like,but it still does not change the fact that the X360 Version is graphically better. From the looks of these videos the PS3 version does not use HRD, witch is the cause for it's different lighting.
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#69 beldugo
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makes you think how virtua fighter will look on 360.
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#70 elementz28
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Does anyone see what i see. there are bigger differences then the contrast.

Happyphilter


The two pictures the 360 looks better slightly .but most of the time its so dark you cant even see the details on it..so whats the point in havin the details when you can only see it once and awhile..
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#71 A2D
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I wonder if these are taken from the framebuffers, the 360 version looks practically unplayable with that level of darkness. Anyway, I'm a massive AC fan, I'll be waiting for a bit before I get a 360 or PS3.
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#72 Happyphilter
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[QUOTE="Happyphilter"]

Does anyone see what i see. there are bigger differences then the contrast.

elementz28


The two pictures the 360 looks better slightly .but most of the time its so dark you cant even see the details on it..so whats the point in havin the details when you can only see it once and awhile..

this part where its "so dark" only happends once in the tunnel going down. im pretty sure having some moments of poor lighting is better then not having lighting at all.
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#74 beldugo
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someone look at video at 1:56.. just as they drop in the tunnel. that metal piece has way more detail on 360.
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#77 Citizen_Zero
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I wonder if these are taken from the framebuffers, the 360 version looks practically unplayable with that level of darkness. Anyway, I'm a massive AC fan, I'll be waiting for a bit before I get a 360 or PS3.A2D


It is not that dark on the X360, i played the Demo i got from my japanese account, don't do it. P.S DO NOT DOWNLOAD A PAL DEMO ON A NTSU X360 IT WILL GIVE YOU THE 3 RED LIGHTS OF DEATH. I did it twice with Chrome hounds and a 2nd time with Armored Core 4, fried 2 perfect X360 good thing walmart took them back. :)
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#86 Mudig
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Judging by who you are TC, I'm just going to save some time and assume the PS3 version is superior?
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#87 beldugo
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which looks cooler :D.. me ur daddy.
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#88 Citizen_Zero
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 ^The first pic of Mobile Ops is really old, just a fyi.

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#89 beldugo
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Um... that First pic of Mobile Ops is like REALY REALY OLD!

Citizen_Zero
i know but it still look way way better. look at the 2nd pic of Musou they have no details and all the gundams are standing there waiting to take hits.
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#90 miss_kitt3n
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wow, 360 totally pwned flopstation.........againImagineGamer


Why do you have nexgen wars sales figures in your sig?

That's like having a gun with out any bullets.
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[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"]

X360 Version looks better. ImagineGamer

flopstation3 keeps gettin pwned

pwned? i feel bad for people on these forums. Mech fames are fun, but ill only play Gundam ones.

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#93 Citizen_Zero
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[QUOTE="ImagineGamer"]

[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"]

X360 Version looks better. Haseokicksass

flopstation3 keeps gettin pwned

pwned? i feel bad for people on these forums. Mech fames are fun, but ill only play Gundam ones.



????? Im a SUPER Mech fan, if there is a Mech game come out that i like, i will make shure to play it no matter what platform it's on. Im also a FPS junkie the more fire power and faster the better imo.
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#94 Haseokicksass
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[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"]

Um... that First pic of Mobile Ops is like REALY REALY OLD!

beldugo

i know but it still look way way better. look at the 2nd pic of Musou they have no details and all the gundams are standing there waiting to take hits.

Turn the difficulty up and lets see how long you last. Gundam crossfire has better graphics then musou and looks just like mobile ops, exept mobile ops will ebh better with online. Crossfire and Mobile Ops look really similar, like they are the same games exept you can use vechiles, on foot and use mobile suits on Mobile ops(ONLINE TOO! SOUNDS FUN :D!).

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#95 ff7isnumbaone
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why is the 360 version so dark compared to ps3?
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#96 WARRZONE
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[QUOTE="WARRZONE"][QUOTE="FFVII_Madness55"]Why does the 360 version so dark?Citizen_Zero

Bad use of HDR (read some posts above).



Don't you just hate people that come into a thread like this and not read any of the post beside the TC's. I posted a quality comparison on this subject and over 80% of them skipped it. they did not even bother reading your posts explaining why it is like that.

I don't hate them, but it is quite annoying. What I still don't get is why there are jaggies in both versions. If both versions have FSAA, then why are the lines so bad? If neither of the versions have FSAA, then why did they only implement HDR in the 360 version? My explination is that FromSoftware did not utilize FSAA correctly or they did not get enough money from Sega to make either FSAA or HDR work right. If both versions do not have FSAA, then maybe the devs got lazy and did not try to understand the PS3's harware enough to implement HDR. Maybe they should have waited for EDGE lol.
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#99 Citizen_Zero
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[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"]

Um... that First pic of Mobile Ops is like REALY REALY OLD!

Haseokicksass

i know but it still look way way better. look at the 2nd pic of Musou they have no details and all the gundams are standing there waiting to take hits.

Turn the difficulty up and lets see how long you last. Gundam crossfire has better graphics then musou and looks just like mobile ops, exept mobile ops will ebh better with online. Crossfire and Mobile Ops look really similar, like they are the same games exept you can use vechiles, on foot and use mobile suits on Mobile ops(ONLINE TOO! SOUNDS FUN :D!).



Mobile Ops & Crossfire are NOTHING A LIKE!!!!!!!  CrossFire was made and Published by Bandi and they did a crap job at it imo, they could have made it so much better. Mobile ops is being Published by Bandi but is being made by Dimps Corporation & Dream Execurion. Also the Gameplay is 300% different the only thing they got in common is they have Mobile Suits in then.

You need to do allot of more research on Mobile ops if you think it's any thing like Crossfire.
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