As much as I hate the idea, I think the 360 won

Lets look at history:

PS2 is released first in the new generation, as a result, it is an all-around inferior console to its rivals when it comes to hardware and capabilities.

However, because it was first, developers supported it, and it became the most popular system (And consequently the best buy since all the games are on it.)

This generation, the 360 has been released, and it lacks blu-ray, a large hardrive, and processing power compared to the PS3. And yet we're seeing the same marketing pattern as last generation.

The original PS2 was a piece of junk when it came to reliability. Disc Read errors and the like plagued its users.

The 360 has the RROD, but like the PS2, people don't seem to care.




The original X-Box, in spite of being a more powerful system, often looked worse than a lot of the PS2 games.

The 360 looks better than the PS3 a lot of the time, albeit this is regarding multiplats rather than exclusives, which is a swap from the PS2/X-Box relationship last gen




Although the PS3 is a better system, lack of 3rd party support drags it down, just like the X-Box was dragged down last generation.

I hate the idea, but if history repeats itself, things are looking good for 360 owners.

But 360 isn't the same in hardware sale, that's the Wii.angelkimne

The Wii isn't a traditional gaming platform, nor will it ever be.

It's something else entirally, so I tend to ignore it in comparisons like this.

It most definately can't replace other systems if you like Traditional gaming.

Lets look at history:

PS2 is released first in the new generation, as a result, it is an all-around inferior console to its rivals when it comes to hardware and capabilities.

However, because it was first, developers supported it, and it became the most popular system (And consequently the best buy since all the games are on it.)

This generation, the 360 has been released, and it lacks blu-ray, a large hardrive, and processing power compared to the PS3. And yet we're seeing the same marketing pattern as last generation.

The original PS2 was a piece of junk when it came to reliability. Disc Read errors and the like plagued its users.

The 360 has the RROD, but like the PS2, people don't seem to care.




The original X-Box, in spite of being a more powerful system, often looked worse than a lot of the PS2 games.

The 360 looks better than the PS3 a lot of the time, albeit this is regarding multiplats rather than exclusives, which is a swap from the PS2/X-Box relationship last gen




Although the PS3 is a better system, lack of 3rd party support drags it down, just like the X-Box was dragged down last generation.

I hate the idea, but if history repeats itself, things are looking good for 360 owners.

mstc_Q

There is a major hole in your theory

The xbox never stood a chance against the ps2 sales Wise it demolished it on the other hand you have the ps3 vs 360 where the only reason the 360 is winning is due to the years head start and the ps3 has been out selling the 360 world wide since mid 2007 and is set to pass it in mid 2009

The PS2 had a year's head start too...

Bioshock is a start, but if we don't see some of the hits moving over to support the PS3 as well, the 360 might as well be the next PS2.

The PS2 had a year's head start too...

Bioshock is a start, but if we don't see some of the hits moving over to support the PS3 as well, the 360 might as well be the next PS2.

mstc_Q

How could it be the next ps2 when it is the worst selling next gen console on the market? I think the ps2 of this gen goes to the Wii imo

well , since you forgot wii let me tell you somthing , 360 isnt winning, just yet, microsofts got a big chore the nintendo wii what made nes successful and ps2 successful is the same exact reason wii is gonna be succesful , its revolutionary , its new controller you take that add free online wifi out of the box a virtual console that lets you dl vast selection of nes snes n64 genesis tg16 sms games and wii ware all new games from the ground up in one console, add backwards compatibilities with gamecube games , then you add a whole bunch of good wii games to that mixture,

you got your self one heck of a gaming machine,

all youll need is a ps3, and youll have almost anything 360 has and more, so no microsoft is not out of the woods no ones gonna top wii , thats the plain truth, sony had 2 good runs at the top now its nintendos turn , they may have 2 more runs 3 if good, at the top , loads of gamers are starting to realise doign the same thing over again with better processers isnt gonna cut it no more, hence why nintendos back at the top ,

Wait... the PS2 is revolutionary?

And as I said, I don't even consider the Wii to be part of this war. Sure it's a gaming console, but it fills a completely different market and has completely different kinds of games to offer.

The Wii is disapointing for anyone who wants a traditional gaming platform, as you can see from all the whining that goes on about it. The reason for this is because it's NOT a traditional gaming platform.

Wait... the PS2 is revolutionary?

And as I said, I don't even consider the Wii to be part of this war. Sure it's a gaming console, but it fills a completely different market and has completely different kinds of games to offer.

The Wii is disapointing for anyone who wants a traditional gaming platform, as you can see from all the whining that goes on about it. The reason for this is because it's NOT a traditional gaming platform.

mstc_Q

If anything, the Wii is the most traditional in the sense that it offers great, simple games and isn't a multi-media system.

360 is being outsold in all of the regions, where did you get this idea?ChrnoTrigger

lol

say that in Dec.

what has ps3 left this year ??

LPB? :lol:

R2? :lol:

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

Wait... the PS2 is revolutionary?

And as I said, I don't even consider the Wii to be part of this war. Sure it's a gaming console, but it fills a completely different market and has completely different kinds of games to offer.

The Wii is disapointing for anyone who wants a traditional gaming platform, as you can see from all the whining that goes on about it. The reason for this is because it's NOT a traditional gaming platform.

SolidGame_basic

If anything, the Wii is the most traditional in the sense that it offers great, simple games and isn't a multi-media system.

they wii may have simple games but many of them are not great

360 is being outsold in all of the regions, where did you get this idea?ChrnoTrigger

It still has to catch up with total 360 sales and even if it does, i doubt it would be by much. Sonys lucky because they practically have a monopoly on next-gen (not counting wii even though i quite like it) systems. And really, it will all come down to preference, i prefered the 360 so i got one. Simple as that.

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]360 is being outsold in all of the regions, where did you get this idea?ALTAIR360

lol

say that in Dec.

what has ps3 left this year ??

LPB? :lol:

R2? :lol:

It might amaze you to know that some people actually perfeir games like LBP ,R2 over gears of war its all down to the player one could easy say

Gears 2 :lol:

Fable 2 :lol:

about the 360s line up so cut the fanboy crap that i have seen you spouting in nearly every thread just remember opinions differ its not the end of the world

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]360 is being outsold in all of the regions, where did you get this idea?ALTAIR360

lol

say that in Dec.

what has ps3 left this year ??

LPB? :lol:

R2? :lol:

Socom, pixel junk eden, Flower, Disgaea 3, and Motorstorm are some others.

[QUOTE="angelkimne"]But 360 isn't the same in hardware sale, that's the Wii.mstc_Q

The Wii isn't a traditional gaming platform, nor will it ever be.

It's something else entirally, so I tend to ignore it in comparisons like this.

It most definately can't replace other systems if you like Traditional gaming.

That doesn't change the fact that it does take sales that could have gone to the other two platforms.

"I hate the idea, but if history repeats itself, things are looking good for 360 owners"

SO, b/c the you think the xbox360 'won' the war(in whatever way you have supposively conjured up), that matters to gamers who are playing their games on their system how?

I'm sorry, but I play games to play. I dont buy a system or systems to help push sales of the system so I can then say 3 years later that my system that I bought is the best out there, simply b/c it has sold more it has more total games or more aaa games or more aa games or more concsole-exclusive games.

Its just insanely immature to think like that. What purpose does it serve.

History looks good for 360 owners? What about wii owners and ps3 owners and ds owners and psps owners...We're all winners as long as the ones who bought that particular system have the games they want and have fun playing them.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

[QUOTE="angelkimne"]But 360 isn't the same in hardware sale, that's the Wii.chazasul

The Wii isn't a traditional gaming platform, nor will it ever be.

It's something else entirally, so I tend to ignore it in comparisons like this.

It most definately can't replace other systems if you like Traditional gaming.

That doesn't change the fact that it does take sales that could have gone to the other two platforms.

I don't think this is true. The people who are buying the wii aren't people who normally buy a game system anyway. Some people actually believe that the wii helps you lose weight, lol.

360 is being outsold in all of the regions, where did you get this idea?ChrnoTrigger

it is though... Europe = PS3>360, Asia = PS3>360 Only in America is where the Xbox is utilizing the year and a half head start

First of all the Dreamcast was the first system to come out last gen and got stomped by the PS2's hype machine. Secondly, don't even begin to compare the unreliability of the PS2 to the 360. Sure the PS2's DRE's were a fairly common problem on the PS2's but nowhere even close to the scale at which the 360's RROD affects people. I mean listen to any gaming podcast or community, it is not uncommon for an entire group of people to have had to send their 360 in, usually multiple times. Hell, the 360 was the first system I have ever had to send in for a warranty repair and btw Microsoft's customer service is atrocious.

Anyways, no the 360 has not won. The Wii is slaughtering it in sales, and even if you consider the Wii to be in a different market the PS3 is now outselling the 360 in every region. The 360 still has great software sales and still have favorable mindshare with much of the enthusiast press and hardcore gamers in general, but the same could have been said of the Dreamcast in it's heyday. If things continue the way they are going, when the PS3 reaches an installed base large enough to nullify the 360's excellent attach rate, the general perception of who is winning this console race is going to take a dramatic turn towards the PS3.

360 is being outsold in all of the regions, where did you get this idea?ChrnoTrigger

[QUOTE="chazasul"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

[QUOTE="angelkimne"]But 360 isn't the same in hardware sale, that's the Wii.Gunblade20

The Wii isn't a traditional gaming platform, nor will it ever be.

It's something else entirally, so I tend to ignore it in comparisons like this.

It most definately can't replace other systems if you like Traditional gaming.

That doesn't change the fact that it does take sales that could have gone to the other two platforms.

I don't think this is true. The people who are buying the wii aren't people who normally buy a game system anyway.

Of course there are. Just because the wii sales are being driven by the casual market doesn't mean there aren't plenty of game enthusiasts who chose Wii over the other two consoles.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

The PS2 had a year's head start too...

Bioshock is a start, but if we don't see some of the hits moving over to support the PS3 as well, the 360 might as well be the next PS2.

micky4889

How could it be the next ps2 when it is the worst selling next gen console on the market? I think the ps2 of this gen goes to the Wii imo

[QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]360 is being outsold in all of the regions, where did you get this idea?Zerostatic0

[QUOTE="Gunblade20"][QUOTE="chazasul"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

[QUOTE="angelkimne"]But 360 isn't the same in hardware sale, that's the Wii.chazasul

The Wii isn't a traditional gaming platform, nor will it ever be.

It's something else entirally, so I tend to ignore it in comparisons like this.

It most definately can't replace other systems if you like Traditional gaming.

That doesn't change the fact that it does take sales that could have gone to the other two platforms.

I don't think this is true. The people who are buying the wii aren't people who normally buy a game system anyway.

Of course there are. Just because the wii sales are being driven by the casual market doesn't mean there aren't plenty of game enthusiasts who chose Wii over the other two consoles.

But i don't know anybody who owns just a wii.

er dude the processing power is just about equal if not better on the X360! the 360 CPU has a lot more power for general processors. while PS3 SPE's are made for very specific ones. also the X360 has an advantage by having more memory in the graphics card.Great_Ragnarok

I thought they both had 512mb of memory?

[QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]360 is being outsold in all of the regions, where did you get this idea?delta3074

I do not care!

[QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]360 is being outsold in all of the regions, where did you get this idea?delta3074

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"]er dude the processing power is just about equal if not better on the X360! the 360 CPU has a lot more power for general processors. while PS3 SPE's are made for very specific ones. also the X360 has an advantage by having more memory in the graphics card.Gunblade20

I thought they both had 512mb of memory?

That said Ps3's RAM is quite a bit faster.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]360 is being outsold in all of the regions, where did you get this idea?Zerostatic0

The x360 hasn't won. Nor will it win overall.

The Xbox360 is, however, far more successful than the Xbox was. That, in of itself, is a major victory for MS.

Honestly, the real answer is that Nintendo and MS are winners. Sony is still in limbo. Nintendo is an obvious winner. The Wii is a selling juggernaut that is filling the coffers of Nintendo. MS is a winner because it continues to make strides in the very competitive console market. 360 did better than XBox and I expect MS's third entry to do even better. Sony, I think, will lose this generation. The amount is still to be determined. I think Sony miscalculated the competition they were facing from MS and from Nintendo. MS and Nintendo are not making the same mistakes of Sega, which allowed Sony to capitalize on its entry in the market. Sony has a very loyal fanbase and the PS3 will continue to sell but the huge market share Sony had, is no longer there. Maybe Sony was going to lose some of this share anyway, but its missteps and misjudgements have not helped the situation. At the end of the generation I expect Wii to have sold the most, followed by PS3 (I don't think Sony goes from 100 million plus to less than 30 or 40 million this quickly) and right behind the PS3 will be the 360.

But the real winner is us gamers who enjoy the fruits of this competition. ;)

[QUOTE="angelkimne"]But 360 isn't the same in hardware sale, that's the Wii.mstc_Q

The Wii isn't a traditional gaming platform, nor will it ever be.

It's something else entirally, so I tend to ignore it in comparisons like this.

It most definately can't replace other systems if you like Traditional gaming.

IgnORing THe WIi in sales Is lIke IgnOrInG The PC in game exclUsIVItY.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]360 is being outsold in all of the regions, where did you get this idea?thrones

[QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="ChrnoTrigger"]360 is being outsold in all of the regions, where did you get this idea?delta3074

By the end of this console cycle, everyone that considers theirself a gamer, will own a 360. Why? Because it has the best games(V), and best price.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/

Neither PS3 or Wii cater to gamers on the level the 360 does.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/

http://www.metacritic.com/games/wii/scores/

Wii fans can "waggle" til' their heart is content. The Wii will always be known as a console for "casuals". And PS3 fans can spout cell this, cell that, cell hit me with a wiffel ball bat, hype and beg people to "just wait". The PS3 will go on the books as Sony's blu-ray movie trojan horse. The 360 will go in the books as the gamers console of this generation.

First of all, since it's launch the PS3 has outsold the 360 in Europe, not in Britain alone, but in all of Europe. Look up your damn numbers before you start casting doubts on commonly known facts. Secondly the PS3 outsold the 360 in the US this January, February, May, and June. April and May were basically a tie with the 360 outselling the PS3 by a very small margin in both months. In 2008 the PS3 has so far easily outsold the 360. BTW, I'm willing to make a signature bet with you that the PS3 WILL pass the 360 in the US. Are you game?

Zerostatic0

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

Wait... the PS2 is revolutionary?

And as I said, I don't even consider the Wii to be part of this war. Sure it's a gaming console, but it fills a completely different market and has completely different kinds of games to offer.

The Wii is disapointing for anyone who wants a traditional gaming platform, as you can see from all the whining that goes on about it. The reason for this is because it's NOT a traditional gaming platform.

SolidGame_basic

If anything, the Wii is the most traditional in the sense that it offers great, simple games and isn't a multi-media system.

The problem with your arguement is the thought that PS2 won because it was out first.

It won because it built on the Playstation brand name they established with PS1, had a DVD player, and was affordable.

One thing you also might of noticed is that people bought PS2s. A lot of them...

Nobody is buying 360s anymore.

The original X-Box, in spite of being a more powerful system, often looked worse than a lot of the PS2 games.

The 360 looks better than the PS3 a lot of the time, albeit this is regarding multiplats rather than exclusives, which is a swap from the PS2/X-Box relationship last gen

mstc_Q

How did the Xbox have games that looked worse than PS2 games?

[QUOTE="Zerostatic0"]

First of all, since it's launch the PS3 has outsold the 360 in Europe, not in Britain alone, but in all of Europe. Look up your damn numbers before you start casting doubts on commonly known facts. Secondly the PS3 outsold the 360 in the US this January, February, May, and June. April and May were basically a tie with the 360 outselling the PS3 by a very small margin in both months. In 2008 the PS3 has so far easily outsold the 360. BTW, I'm willing to make a signature bet with you that the PS3 WILL pass the 360 in the US. Are you game?

delta3074

you should not have agreed to that lol you do know that Sony will support the ps3 for up to 10 years where as Microsoft will probably drop support for the 360 as soon as the 720 hits ? I can see the ps3 pass the 360s sales in the U.S but not for another 2-4 years

No sorry wrong. Multi media is the traditional way. It has been from PS1 til now, so stop trying. PS1 plays games and music CDs. That was the start. The wii has fallen way behind. Sure it has the most units sold, but I for some darn reason have yet to figure out how to play them damn sales. So I can't bring myself to care about those sales. Bubblehash

Not really. The Wii is the most traditional system. Multi-media features really got the start with the Xbox (PS2 a little bit with the DVD player, but not alot) when you could rip music to the Xbox HDD.

Now with the 360 and PS3 connected to computer, streaming data, downloading movies and TV shows, and much more, the 360 and PS3 have definitely positioned themselves as multi-media, almost PC like consoles, where as the Wii, outside the web browser, has stuck most closely to a traditional game system.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

The original X-Box, in spite of being a more powerful system, often looked worse than a lot of the PS2 games.

The 360 looks better than the PS3 a lot of the time, albeit this is regarding multiplats rather than exclusives, which is a swap from the PS2/X-Box relationship last gen

SpruceCaboose

How did the Xbox have games that looked worse than PS2 games?

A lot of the xbox games were Ps2 ports that were never fully optimised for the xbox so they always ended up with a slight worse frame rate and more jaggies ect. mgs2 springs to mind it was a shame really since the xbox was capable of so much more but there were very few devs who ever took advantage of it