At $600, PS3 is greater than PC?(56k)
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Actually, I'll play your game.
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Alright, so it's $684 + $20 shipping, vs. $600 + 7% tax.. wait that's $ 704 vs $642 either way! Interesting! Now they can both use the same monitors and speakers easily, they both have free online... but which one wins graphically? The PC. That PC listed there will run Crysis at better graphical settings than the PS3 will run Haze.
But let's go a step further, let's say you're smart about this - Haze doesn't come out until later this year - a time when we'll be able to get a GeForce 8800gts 320mb for $200. Oh, and Vista is available cheaply (aka free) through MSNA AA for any college student at a four year university majoring in IT, CS, Engineering, or MIS. Even high school students can qualify... and beta testers were able to get free copies, as well as several promotional venues. Add in that most people already have a case, power supply, DVD-RW drive, and hard drive in their existing PC, and things get more interesting.
For the same price as the PS3, PC gamers can get better graphics. Core 2 Duo ($114) + 2 gigs of DDR2-667 ($60) + mobo ($60) + Vista Home Premium ($120) + GeForce 8800gts 320mb ($270) = $624 + $20 shipping = $642... same as a PS3 with tax bought from a store...oops.
subrosian
Exactly!!!
As for me, I have a dual-core AMD rig with 1 GIG RAM, will get antoher GIG cheaply and then slap in a Geforce 8800GTS 320 and there ya go. Crysis at high-very high at 1280X1024. Far better then anything presented by PS3 or Xbox 360.
Battles about graphics can't be won by consoles, no matter how you put it.
[QUOTE="subrosian"]Actually, I'll play your game.
Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 @2.8 ghz (easy overclock) $114
mobo $ 60
Radeon x1950xt 256mb $200
2gb DDR2-667 $ 60
Windows Vista Home Premium $120
ATX Case w/450w PSU $ 50
DVD Drive $ 20
SATA HDD $ 60
Alright, so it's $684 + $20 shipping, vs. $600 + 7% tax.. wait that's $ 704 vs $642 either way! Interesting! Now they can both use the same monitors and speakers easily, they both have free online... but which one wins graphically? The PC. That PC listed there will run Crysis at better graphical settings than the PS3 will run Haze.
But let's go a step further, let's say you're smart about this - Haze doesn't come out until later this year - a time when we'll be able to get a GeForce 8800gts 320mb for $200. Oh, and Vista is available cheaply (aka free) through MSNA AA for any college student at a four year university majoring in IT, CS, Engineering, or MIS. Even high school students can qualify... and beta testers were able to get free copies, as well as several promotional venues. Add in that most people already have a case, power supply, DVD-RW drive, and hard drive in their existing PC, and things get more interesting.
For the same price as the PS3, PC gamers can get better graphics. Core 2 Duo ($114) + 2 gigs of DDR2-667 ($60) + mobo ($60) + Vista Home Premium ($120) + GeForce 8800gts 320mb ($270) = $624 + $20 shipping = $642... same as a PS3 with tax bought from a store...oops.
haols
Exactly!!!
As for me, I have a dual-core AMD rig with 1 GIG RAM, will get antoher GIG cheaply and then slap in a Geforce 8800GTS 320 and there ya go. Crysis at high-very high at 1280X1024. Far better then anything presented by PS3 or Xbox 360.
Battles about graphics can't be won by consoles, no matter how you put it.
Well it's complete suicide on the PS3s part here... the $600 gaming PC has eight times as much system memory, any almost half the cost of the system is being put into a high-end graphics card. Meanwhile, the PS3 is still stuck with technology designed with what was available twenty months ago, and a great deal of the cost is put into "the cell" and a high-capacity optical drive.
The $600 gaming PC has no need of such things - every game will be installed, and all the nifty things (like surround sound support, ethernet, et cetera) are all built in to relatively cheap motherboards. Also, in the PC world you have competitive pricing. There's no one else on the market offering a machine that plays PS3 games to drive the price down - it will stay at $600 until it's profitable for Sony, regardless of the technology.
Meanwhile graphics cards, cpus, and memory just get cheaper. Six months from now my $600 gaming PC will have a better graphics card, faster memory, a bigger hard drive, and a faster CPU, while the PS3 will have the same hardware.
The only way you can argue a console is *better* is when it offers games that aren't on PC. An Xbox 360 is worth picking up if you want to play Too Human or Halo 3... a PS3 maybe for MGS4 or Final Fantasy XIII. But that's it. Trying to "own" a PC graphically is suicide.
[QUOTE="haols"][QUOTE="subrosian"]Actually, I'll play your game.
Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 @2.8 ghz (easy overclock) $114
mobo $ 60
Radeon x1950xt 256mb $200
2gb DDR2-667 $ 60
Windows Vista Home Premium $120
ATX Case w/450w PSU $ 50
DVD Drive $ 20
SATA HDD $ 60
Alright, so it's $684 + $20 shipping, vs. $600 + 7% tax.. wait that's $ 704 vs $642 either way! Interesting! Now they can both use the same monitors and speakers easily, they both have free online... but which one wins graphically? The PC. That PC listed there will run Crysis at better graphical settings than the PS3 will run Haze.
But let's go a step further, let's say you're smart about this - Haze doesn't come out until later this year - a time when we'll be able to get a GeForce 8800gts 320mb for $200. Oh, and Vista is available cheaply (aka free) through MSNA AA for any college student at a four year university majoring in IT, CS, Engineering, or MIS. Even high school students can qualify... and beta testers were able to get free copies, as well as several promotional venues. Add in that most people already have a case, power supply, DVD-RW drive, and hard drive in their existing PC, and things get more interesting.
For the same price as the PS3, PC gamers can get better graphics. Core 2 Duo ($114) + 2 gigs of DDR2-667 ($60) + mobo ($60) + Vista Home Premium ($120) + GeForce 8800gts 320mb ($270) = $624 + $20 shipping = $642... same as a PS3 with tax bought from a store...oops.
subrosian
Exactly!!!
As for me, I have a dual-core AMD rig with 1 GIG RAM, will get antoher GIG cheaply and then slap in a Geforce 8800GTS 320 and there ya go. Crysis at high-very high at 1280X1024. Far better then anything presented by PS3 or Xbox 360.
Battles about graphics can't be won by consoles, no matter how you put it.
Well it's complete suicide on the PS3s part here... the $600 gaming PC has eight times as much system memory, any almost half the cost of the system is being put into a high-end graphics card. Meanwhile, the PS3 is still stuck with technology designed with what was available twenty months ago, and a great deal of the cost is put into "the cell" and a high-capacity optical drive.
The $600 gaming PC has no need of such things - every game will be installed, and all the nifty things (like surround sound support, ethernet, et cetera) are all built in to relatively cheap motherboards. Also, in the PC world you have competitive pricing. There's no one else on the market offering a machine that plays PS3 games to drive the price down - it will stay at $600 until it's profitable for Sony, regardless of the technology.
Meanwhile graphics cards, cpus, and memory just get cheaper. Six months from now my $600 gaming PC will have a better graphics card, faster memory, a bigger hard drive, and a faster CPU, while the PS3 will have the same hardware.
The only way you can argue a console is *better* is when it offers games that aren't on PC. An Xbox 360 is worth picking up if you want to play Too Human or Halo 3... a PS3 maybe for MGS4 or Final Fantasy XIII. But that's it. Trying to "own" a PC graphically is suicide.
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Christ, so much ignorance in this thread. Why are there lame PC posers? Alot of us don't fork over money for upgrades every year. Ati and Nvidia usually refresh their cycles every 1-2 years, and in the meantime, just release more mainstream cards, and not necessarily better. WhySoCry
8800Ultra. says STFU! lol
[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Christ, so much ignorance in this thread. Why are there lame PC posers? Alot of us don't fork over money for upgrades every year. Ati and Nvidia usually refresh their cycles every 1-2 years, and in the meantime, just release more mainstream cards, and not necessarily better. Pro_wrestler
..? So the 9900GTX & GTS coming out in early 2008 are just more mainstream? Funny thing is that its better technology yet it will launch at the same price as the 8800 series.
And by the time the 9900 line is released the 8800 line is down to budget levels of pricing. . . it is really fantastic, wait a year and you will have a very good PC rather cheap.
[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Christ, so much ignorance in this thread. Why are there lame PC posers? Alot of us don't fork over money for upgrades every year. Ati and Nvidia usually refresh their cycles every 1-2 years, and in the meantime, just release more mainstream cards, and not necessarily better. haols
..? So the 9900GTX & GTS coming out in early 2008 are just more mainstream? Funny thing is that its better technology yet it will launch at the same price as the 8800 series.
And by the time the 9900 line is released the 8800 line is down to budget levels of pricing. . . it is really fantastic, wait a year and you will have a very good PC rather cheap.
Yeah, Im planning to upgrade when Quad-Cores are the norm and GTX's can be bought for $199, then I'll throw a couple of those into a Vista service pack 1 build this fall :P
[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"]I'll admit that a capable gaming PC that can do Crysis justice will make the PS3 look like a bargain. (I'm about to invest 1000-2000 US$ into one myself.) However, remember that the PC is a more versatile platform, with uses beyond games and multimedia. You can even develop your own apps and games for one relatively easily. It can also be far more powerful than a PS3 ever will. The way I see it, you get what you pay for.Pro_wrestler
Yeah, E4300s are are $120(Pentium D's are even less), 2Gigs RAM is $75, X1950Pro $175 = $370, ATX Mobo&Case for under $150 and you've probably maxed out Crysis in DX9. "bu bu teh PS3 at $600 greater than PC @ $600" riiiiiight.
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Ive got a X1950 PRO and it can about run S.T.A.L.K.E.R at max settings so i dout it'll run crysis at max on DX9 :|Â
[QUOTE="Doomshine"]Haze does look nice, but I doubt it will have the same level of destruction and physics as Crysis.mrboo15
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Why? Grapicaly PS3 could'nt compete with Crysis, but Physics? PS3 with Cell smokes it.
Don't be so sure. Try Crysis in DX10 mode. DX10 better allows for GPU utilization for physics calculations.As for the hermits, show me a $600 DX10 PC complete from the ground up except for monitor and speakers. Then we can start talking. And you can't develop genuine PS3 games on a PS3 Linux since only the GameOS can access the full power of the Cell and RSX.Â
[QUOTE="gundamfan80"]I prefer consoles to PC simply because I don't have to run out and buy expensive new parts every year or so just to keep playing.smokeydabear076I have never needed to upgrade every year to keep playing with my PC, but I guess we all have different experiences and you might be a graphics whore. Anyway I prefer the PC and the PC is greater than the PS3 because of its gaming library.
I haven't upgraded my 2-year old PC yet, and it's still running new games with pretty high settings. The only thing I'm really messing out on is HDR, and personally, I'm not a huge fan of it, as it just tends to blind me.Â
[QUOTE="haols"][QUOTE="subrosian"]Actually, I'll play your game.
Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 @2.8 ghz (easy overclock) $114
mobo $ 60
Radeon x1950xt 256mb $200
2gb DDR2-667 $ 60
Windows Vista Home Premium $120
ATX Case w/450w PSU $ 50
DVD Drive $ 20
SATA HDD $ 60
Alright, so it's $684 + $20 shipping, vs. $600 + 7% tax.. wait that's $ 704 vs $642 either way! Interesting! Now they can both use the same monitors and speakers easily, they both have free online... but which one wins graphically? The PC. That PC listed there will run Crysis at better graphical settings than the PS3 will run Haze.
But let's go a step further, let's say you're smart about this - Haze doesn't come out until later this year - a time when we'll be able to get a GeForce 8800gts 320mb for $200. Oh, and Vista is available cheaply (aka free) through MSNA AA for any college student at a four year university majoring in IT, CS, Engineering, or MIS. Even high school students can qualify... and beta testers were able to get free copies, as well as several promotional venues. Add in that most people already have a case, power supply, DVD-RW drive, and hard drive in their existing PC, and things get more interesting.
For the same price as the PS3, PC gamers can get better graphics. Core 2 Duo ($114) + 2 gigs of DDR2-667 ($60) + mobo ($60) + Vista Home Premium ($120) + GeForce 8800gts 320mb ($270) = $624 + $20 shipping = $642... same as a PS3 with tax bought from a store...oops.
subrosian
Exactly!!!
As for me, I have a dual-core AMD rig with 1 GIG RAM, will get antoher GIG cheaply and then slap in a Geforce 8800GTS 320 and there ya go. Crysis at high-very high at 1280X1024. Far better then anything presented by PS3 or Xbox 360.
Battles about graphics can't be won by consoles, no matter how you put it.
Well it's complete suicide on the PS3s part here... the $600 gaming PC has eight times as much system memory, any almost half the cost of the system is being put into a high-end graphics card. Meanwhile, the PS3 is still stuck with technology designed with what was available twenty months ago, and a great deal of the cost is put into "the cell" and a high-capacity optical drive.
The $600 gaming PC has no need of such things - every game will be installed, and all the nifty things (like surround sound support, ethernet, et cetera) are all built in to relatively cheap motherboards. Also, in the PC world you have competitive pricing. There's no one else on the market offering a machine that plays PS3 games to drive the price down - it will stay at $600 until it's profitable for Sony, regardless of the technology.
Meanwhile graphics cards, cpus, and memory just get cheaper. Six months from now my $600 gaming PC will have a better graphics card, faster memory, a bigger hard drive, and a faster CPU, while the PS3 will have the same hardware.
The only way you can argue a console is *better* is when it offers games that aren't on PC. An Xbox 360 is worth picking up if you want to play Too Human or Halo 3... a PS3 maybe for MGS4 or Final Fantasy XIII. But that's it. Trying to "own" a PC graphically is suicide.
For once we agree. Except that the only real genre we lack are JRPGs. Once the demand kicks up for that (OR PEOPLE START IMPORTING) the sky is the limits.
[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"]I'll admit that a capable gaming PC that can do Crysis justice will make the PS3 look like a bargain. (I'm about to invest 1000-2000 US$ into one myself.) However, remember that the PC is a more versatile platform, with uses beyond games and multimedia. You can even develop your own apps and games for one relatively easily. It can also be far more powerful than a PS3 ever will. The way I see it, you get what you pay for.mrboo15
Yeah, E4300s are are $120(Pentium D's are even less), 2Gigs RAM is $75, X1950Pro $175 = $370, ATX Mobo&Case for under $150 and you've probably maxed out Crysis in DX9. "bu bu teh PS3 at $600 greater than PC @ $600" riiiiiight.
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Ive got a X1950 PRO and it can about run S.T.A.L.K.E.R at max settings so i dout it'll run crysis at max on DX9 :|
You might be able to max it out with an X1950 512Mb edition in DX9 mode.
Isn't Haze for PC as well?MadExponent
PC, X360 & PS3.Â
PC, X360 & PS3.
Pro_wrestler
Then why are we bothering with this? PC is scalable. The PC version of Haze will look better if you turn the resolution up and crank up the AA/AF and all the little bells and whistles. Same thing with Crysis. I am sure that there are certain things that you will be able to tweak up in Crysis that we haven't even seen in the screenshots. There always is.Â
[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]PC, X360 & PS3.
MadExponent
Then why are we bothering with this? PC is scalable. The PC version of Haze will look better if you turn the resolution up and crank up the AA/AF and all the little bells and whistles. Same thing with Crysis. I am sure that there are certain things that you will be able to tweak up in Crysis that we haven't even seen in the screenshots. There always is.
Yeah, exactly what I said, but there were a few people that did'nt understand this.Â
[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="EmanSolid117"]Word.[QUOTE="gundamfan80"]I prefer consoles to PC simply because I don't have to run out and buy expensive new parts every year or so just to keep playing.a_ratchet_fan
No.You forget PC can do more than Just play games. So at $600 a PC can do far more than a PS3 ever could.Pro_wrestler
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The PS3 has a few things that the PC can't do, and the PC has a few things that the PS3 can't do. For one thing, you can develop programs on the PS3 if you use linux. Also, the PS3 can use the blu-ray format while the PC currently can't. The PC can obviously do more work-oriented things, though.
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[QUOTE="mrboo15"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"]I'll admit that a capable gaming PC that can do Crysis justice will make the PS3 look like a bargain. (I'm about to invest 1000-2000 US$ into one myself.) However, remember that the PC is a more versatile platform, with uses beyond games and multimedia. You can even develop your own apps and games for one relatively easily. It can also be far more powerful than a PS3 ever will. The way I see it, you get what you pay for.Pro_wrestler
Yeah, E4300s are are $120(Pentium D's are even less), 2Gigs RAM is $75, X1950Pro $175 = $370, ATX Mobo&Case for under $150 and you've probably maxed out Crysis in DX9. "bu bu teh PS3 at $600 greater than PC @ $600" riiiiiight.
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Ive got a X1950 PRO and it can about run S.T.A.L.K.E.R at max settings so i dout it'll run crysis at max on DX9 :|
You might be able to max it out with an X1950 512Mb edition in DX9 mode.
Isn't Haze for PC as well?MadExponent
PC, X360 & PS3.
STALKER is a HORRIBLY optimized game. The patches might fix that though. If you are running on Vista, you can't really complain about the worse performance on that OS, considering the game doesn't even officially support Vista. They had a 7800GTX running it maxxed in DX9. You're PC with no doubt will be able to run it maxxed in DX9. They haven't even started thorough optimizations yet either.Â
[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"]Saywhat about the PC not having Blu-ray capability?a_ratchet_fan
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Touche... and thanks for not being a douchebag over it.Â
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didnt crytek say that Crysis would be better optimized then STALKER?
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even so, I can sort of understand STALKER's high requirements, the graphics may not be that good, but they have a lot of detail in everything, the map is massive, the AI is excellent, and the entire world sort of comes to live. even if your not at a certain spot, their are still things going on their.Â
I have never needed to upgrade every year to keep playing with my PC, but I guess we all have different experiences and you might be a graphics whore. Anyway I prefer the PC and the PC is greater than the PS3 because of its gaming library.[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="gundamfan80"]I prefer consoles to PC simply because I don't have to run out and buy expensive new parts every year or so just to keep playing.imprezawrx500
so true over a year after I got my gpu and I'm only just having to turn setting down from max for the game to run well
Yep, I have a 7800GT to (except I OC'ed it a lot). I've had it for about 2 years. I can run most games maxxed or near maxxed. Only some games I have to turn down a few, settings that don't really matter, but help a lot in performance. Console fanboys think that every settings has to be set to the highest it will go, or else the game won't look good. And that is DEFINENTLY not the case, whatsoever.
Yeah, in price PS3 is almost greater then PC. LOLdimar19ownt imo
[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="EmanSolid117"]Word.[QUOTE="gundamfan80"]I prefer consoles to PC simply because I don't have to run out and buy expensive new parts every year or so just to keep playing.a_ratchet_fan
No.You forget PC can do more than Just play games. So at $600 a PC can do far more than a PS3 ever could.Pro_wrestler
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The PS3 has a few things that the PC can't do, and the PC has a few things that the PS3 can't do. For one thing, you can develop programs on the PS3 if you use linux. Also, the PS3 can use the blu-ray format while the PC currently can't. The PC can obviously do more work-oriented things, though.
PC's can do MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH more than the PS3 can do. Why do PC's need Blu-Ray when they have a much larger storage capacity called a "HARD DRIVE"? I guess you've never heard of it though........
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LOL, notice how a PS3 also has a "hard-drive" and notice how the storage capacity grows along with the PC market's, as the PS3 USES THE SAME HARD-DRIVES. LOL, you think I didn't know that?
I know the PS3 has a HDD, but it is not used in the exact same way as a PC's HDD is used (not to mention 60GB is a very small HDD). When's the last time you installed a game or app onto your PS3? Oh wait.......
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PC's install games on to their HDD's, unlike consoles. Blu-Ray is in no way needed for PC gaming. I guess your a little angry at being owned by the "PC can't use Blu-Ray" comment you made, huh?
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a) you DO install PS3 games onto the PS3 HDD to decrease load-times
b) the PS3 uses the same hard-drive format as laptops do, so it has a max HDD storage capacity of about 250 gigs.
So why is "THE BLU-RAY!!!" needed? PS3 doesn't install the full game on their bud like PC games do. I assume you can run games with no disc in, right?
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LOL, you can't run recent PC games without the disk anyways as copy protection schemes like starforce (which really, really sucks) prevent you from doing so.
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didnt crytek say that Crysis would be better optimized then STALKER?
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even so, I can sort of understand STALKER's high requirements, the graphics may not be that good, but they have a lot of detail in everything, the map is massive, the AI is excellent, and the entire world sort of comes to live. even if your not at a certain spot, their are still things going on their.
cobrax75
YES! It will be better opt.Â
didnt crytek say that Crysis would be better optimized then STALKER?
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even so, I can sort of understand STALKER's high requirements, the graphics may not be that good, but they have a lot of detail in everything, the map is massive, the AI is excellent, and the entire world sort of comes to live. even if your not at a certain spot, their are still things going on their.
cobrax75
Crytek better optimize Crysis better than STALKER or else it is going to eat everyones computer alive. There is an UNBELIEVEABLY MASSIVE difference in the overall quality and complexity of Crysis over STALKER. Â
Funny thing is when lemmings talk about Alan Wake, Bioshock, or other 360/PC games then cows say big deal it will be far better on PC and PCs are better. When it cows talk about Haze then $600 PS3 is a far better deal. You just have to love planet bovine double speak.Eltroz
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Hmm...Motherboard, CPU, Memory, Hard Drive (switch it to a SATA, but it's the same price), Video, Case, Sound and network are on the mobo...For alittle over $850 dollars:
CHENMING CMUI-601AEB-W Black 1.0mm SECC Server Computer Case - $50.99 (Chenming AE-601 Review)
ASUS P5B LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - $62.99 (ASUS P5B: New BIOS Adds Unlocking & Improved Overclocking)
EVGA GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16, 320-P2-N811-AR - $270.99
Antec TruePowerTrio 550W Power Supply - $64.99
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4300 1.8GHz 800MHz 2MB LGA775 CPU, OEM - $104.03 (Intel Core 2 Duo E4300: Affordable and Highly Overclockable)
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Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit-$111.99
Mouse and Keyboard of your liking-$60
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projectpat2007
Not a bad total. My only question is whether or not the 8800GTS is a true DX10 card.
[QUOTE="projectpat2007"]Hmm...Motherboard, CPU, Memory, Hard Drive (switch it to a SATA, but it's the same price), Video, Case, Sound and network are on the mobo...For alittle over $850 dollars:
CHENMING CMUI-601AEB-W Black 1.0mm SECC Server Computer Case - $50.99 (Chenming AE-601 Review)
ASUS P5B LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - $62.99 (ASUS P5B: New BIOS Adds Unlocking & Improved Overclocking)
EVGA GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16, 320-P2-N811-AR - $270.99
Antec TruePowerTrio 550W Power Supply - $64.99
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4300 1.8GHz 800MHz 2MB LGA775 CPU, OEM - $104.03 (Intel Core 2 Duo E4300: Affordable and Highly Overclockable)
GIGABYTE GH-PDU21-MF Ball CPU Cooler - $9.99 (Gigabyte G-Power Pro GH-PDU21-MF Heatsink Review)
BUFFALO Select 1GB DDR2-667 CL5 Desktop Memory Retail D2U667C1GBR x2- $35.98 (This is 2gb's, hence the x2)Seagate 250GB Ultra DMA/100 16MB Buffer - $49.99
MadDog Black 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner - $25.99
Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit-$111.99
Mouse and Keyboard of your liking-$60
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HuusAsking
Not a bad total. My only question is whether or not the 8800GTS is a true DX10 card.
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yes its a true DX10 card....what kind of question is that?Â
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]Hmm...Motherboard, CPU, Memory, Hard Drive (switch it to a SATA, but it's the same price), Video, Case, Sound and network are on the mobo...For alittle over $850 dollars:
CHENMING CMUI-601AEB-W Black 1.0mm SECC Server Computer Case - $50.99 (Chenming AE-601 Review)
ASUS P5B LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - $62.99 (ASUS P5B: New BIOS Adds Unlocking & Improved Overclocking)
EVGA GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16, 320-P2-N811-AR - $270.99
Antec TruePowerTrio 550W Power Supply - $64.99
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4300 1.8GHz 800MHz 2MB LGA775 CPU, OEM - $104.03 (Intel Core 2 Duo E4300: Affordable and Highly Overclockable)
GIGABYTE GH-PDU21-MF Ball CPU Cooler - $9.99 (Gigabyte G-Power Pro GH-PDU21-MF Heatsink Review)
BUFFALO Select 1GB DDR2-667 CL5 Desktop Memory Retail D2U667C1GBR x2- $35.98 (This is 2gb's, hence the x2)Seagate 250GB Ultra DMA/100 16MB Buffer - $49.99
MadDog Black 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner - $25.99
Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit-$111.99
Mouse and Keyboard of your liking-$60
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cobrax75
Not a bad total. My only question is whether or not the 8800GTS is a true DX10 card.
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yes its a true DX10 card....what kind of question is that?
Yeah, really :/
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]Hmm...Motherboard, CPU, Memory, Hard Drive (switch it to a SATA, but it's the same price), Video, Case, Sound and network are on the mobo...For alittle over $850 dollars:
CHENMING CMUI-601AEB-W Black 1.0mm SECC Server Computer Case - $50.99 (Chenming AE-601 Review)
ASUS P5B LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - $62.99 (ASUS P5B: New BIOS Adds Unlocking & Improved Overclocking)
EVGA GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16, 320-P2-N811-AR - $270.99
Antec TruePowerTrio 550W Power Supply - $64.99
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4300 1.8GHz 800MHz 2MB LGA775 CPU, OEM - $104.03 (Intel Core 2 Duo E4300: Affordable and Highly Overclockable)
GIGABYTE GH-PDU21-MF Ball CPU Cooler - $9.99 (Gigabyte G-Power Pro GH-PDU21-MF Heatsink Review)
BUFFALO Select 1GB DDR2-667 CL5 Desktop Memory Retail D2U667C1GBR x2- $35.98 (This is 2gb's, hence the x2)Seagate 250GB Ultra DMA/100 16MB Buffer - $49.99
MadDog Black 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner - $25.99
Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit-$111.99
Mouse and Keyboard of your liking-$60
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cobrax75
Not a bad total. My only question is whether or not the 8800GTS is a true DX10 card.
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yes its a true DX10 card....what kind of question is that?
Confirmation, that's all. The page you referred doesn't even mention DX10.[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="EmanSolid117"]Word.[QUOTE="gundamfan80"]I prefer consoles to PC simply because I don't have to run out and buy expensive new parts every year or so just to keep playing.a_ratchet_fan
No.You forget PC can do more than Just play games. So at $600 a PC can do far more than a PS3 ever could.Pro_wrestler
No.
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The PS3 has a few things that the PC can't do, and the PC has a few things that the PS3 can't do. For one thing, you can develop programs on the PS3 if you use linux. Also, the PS3 can use the blu-ray format while the PC currently can't. The PC can obviously do more work-oriented things, though.
There are Blu Ray players for the PC, theyre expensive, but theyre there.
None of the consoles can do anything a PC cant, the only thing they can is ofcourse Software, heck we can even use the wii mote.Â
[QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="projectpat2007"]Hmm...Motherboard, CPU, Memory, Hard Drive (switch it to a SATA, but it's the same price), Video, Case, Sound and network are on the mobo...For alittle over $850 dollars:
CHENMING CMUI-601AEB-W Black 1.0mm SECC Server Computer Case - $50.99 (Chenming AE-601 Review)
ASUS P5B LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - $62.99 (ASUS P5B: New BIOS Adds Unlocking & Improved Overclocking)
EVGA GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16, 320-P2-N811-AR - $270.99
Antec TruePowerTrio 550W Power Supply - $64.99
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E4300 1.8GHz 800MHz 2MB LGA775 CPU, OEM - $104.03 (Intel Core 2 Duo E4300: Affordable and Highly Overclockable)
GIGABYTE GH-PDU21-MF Ball CPU Cooler - $9.99 (Gigabyte G-Power Pro GH-PDU21-MF Heatsink Review)
BUFFALO Select 1GB DDR2-667 CL5 Desktop Memory Retail D2U667C1GBR x2- $35.98 (This is 2gb's, hence the x2)Seagate 250GB Ultra DMA/100 16MB Buffer - $49.99
MadDog Black 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner - $25.99
Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit-$111.99
Mouse and Keyboard of your liking-$60
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HuusAsking
Not a bad total. My only question is whether or not the 8800GTS is a true DX10 card.
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yes its a true DX10 card....what kind of question is that?
Confirmation, that's all. The page you referred doesn't even mention DX10.LOL.
I just checked and it did mention it was DX10.
Also, isn't common sense that all 8-series cards are DX10?
Edit: It actually mentions it twice under General Information and the summary :/
How did you miss it?Â
[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="haols"][QUOTE="subrosian"]Actually, I'll play your game.
Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 @2.8 ghz (easy overclock) $114
mobo $ 60
Radeon x1950xt 256mb $200
2gb DDR2-667 $ 60
Windows Vista Home Premium $120
ATX Case w/450w PSU $ 50
DVD Drive $ 20
SATA HDD $ 60
Alright, so it's $684 + $20 shipping, vs. $600 + 7% tax.. wait that's $ 704 vs $642 either way! Interesting! Now they can both use the same monitors and speakers easily, they both have free online... but which one wins graphically? The PC. That PC listed there will run Crysis at better graphical settings than the PS3 will run Haze.
But let's go a step further, let's say you're smart about this - Haze doesn't come out until later this year - a time when we'll be able to get a GeForce 8800gts 320mb for $200. Oh, and Vista is available cheaply (aka free) through MSNA AA for any college student at a four year university majoring in IT, CS, Engineering, or MIS. Even high school students can qualify... and beta testers were able to get free copies, as well as several promotional venues. Add in that most people already have a case, power supply, DVD-RW drive, and hard drive in their existing PC, and things get more interesting.
For the same price as the PS3, PC gamers can get better graphics. Core 2 Duo ($114) + 2 gigs of DDR2-667 ($60) + mobo ($60) + Vista Home Premium ($120) + GeForce 8800gts 320mb ($270) = $624 + $20 shipping = $642... same as a PS3 with tax bought from a store...oops.
Vandalvideo
Exactly!!!
As for me, I have a dual-core AMD rig with 1 GIG RAM, will get antoher GIG cheaply and then slap in a Geforce 8800GTS 320 and there ya go. Crysis at high-very high at 1280X1024. Far better then anything presented by PS3 or Xbox 360.
Battles about graphics can't be won by consoles, no matter how you put it.
Well it's complete suicide on the PS3s part here... the $600 gaming PC has eight times as much system memory, any almost half the cost of the system is being put into a high-end graphics card. Meanwhile, the PS3 is still stuck with technology designed with what was available twenty months ago, and a great deal of the cost is put into "the cell" and a high-capacity optical drive.
The $600 gaming PC has no need of such things - every game will be installed, and all the nifty things (like surround sound support, ethernet, et cetera) are all built in to relatively cheap motherboards. Also, in the PC world you have competitive pricing. There's no one else on the market offering a machine that plays PS3 games to drive the price down - it will stay at $600 until it's profitable for Sony, regardless of the technology.
Meanwhile graphics cards, cpus, and memory just get cheaper. Six months from now my $600 gaming PC will have a better graphics card, faster memory, a bigger hard drive, and a faster CPU, while the PS3 will have the same hardware.
The only way you can argue a console is *better* is when it offers games that aren't on PC. An Xbox 360 is worth picking up if you want to play Too Human or Halo 3... a PS3 maybe for MGS4 or Final Fantasy XIII. But that's it. Trying to "own" a PC graphically is suicide.
For once we agree. Except that the only real genre we lack are JRPGs. Once the demand kicks up for that (OR PEOPLE START IMPORTING) the sky is the limits.
Vandal *shakes head* I don't always disagree with you, I do like to give you a run for your money. Life would be uninteresting if we conceded everything to one platform. The Xbox 360 has actually been a good thing for PC gamers in this respect - there's an influx of PC games (halo 2, shadowrun, dirt) that play similar to console games, for those who want the best of both worlds on their system.
When I saw Geometry Wars, Alan Wake, Bioshock, Oblivion, Halo 2, Devil May Cry 4, Haze, Fear, Shadowrun, Lost Planet and Dirt on PC, my opinions of DX10 gaming took a turn for the positive. It would be a lie to say that as a hardcore gamer I'm not drawn closer and closer to being a hermit each year. My ideal platform is a cross between the Xbox 360 and a Gaming PC - every year seems to be getting closer to that ideal, which puts a huge smile on my face.
But yes, there's no more supreme ignorance than to claim a platform with a fixed graphics card, where most of the cost of building that platform was put into a high-end optical drive, can compete graphically with a platform that has extreme competitive pressures on its graphics card market, and can essentially put almost half of the cost of the system into its graphics.
At the $600+ price point, the PC *annilates* any console.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="haols"][QUOTE="subrosian"]Actually, I'll play your game.
Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 @2.8 ghz (easy overclock) $114
mobo $ 60
Radeon x1950xt 256mb $200
2gb DDR2-667 $ 60
Windows Vista Home Premium $120
ATX Case w/450w PSU $ 50
DVD Drive $ 20
SATA HDD $ 60
Alright, so it's $684 + $20 shipping, vs. $600 + 7% tax.. wait that's $ 704 vs $642 either way! Interesting! Now they can both use the same monitors and speakers easily, they both have free online... but which one wins graphically? The PC. That PC listed there will run Crysis at better graphical settings than the PS3 will run Haze.
But let's go a step further, let's say you're smart about this - Haze doesn't come out until later this year - a time when we'll be able to get a GeForce 8800gts 320mb for $200. Oh, and Vista is available cheaply (aka free) through MSNA AA for any college student at a four year university majoring in IT, CS, Engineering, or MIS. Even high school students can qualify... and beta testers were able to get free copies, as well as several promotional venues. Add in that most people already have a case, power supply, DVD-RW drive, and hard drive in their existing PC, and things get more interesting.
For the same price as the PS3, PC gamers can get better graphics. Core 2 Duo ($114) + 2 gigs of DDR2-667 ($60) + mobo ($60) + Vista Home Premium ($120) + GeForce 8800gts 320mb ($270) = $624 + $20 shipping = $642... same as a PS3 with tax bought from a store...oops.
subrosian
Exactly!!!
As for me, I have a dual-core AMD rig with 1 GIG RAM, will get antoher GIG cheaply and then slap in a Geforce 8800GTS 320 and there ya go. Crysis at high-very high at 1280X1024. Far better then anything presented by PS3 or Xbox 360.
Battles about graphics can't be won by consoles, no matter how you put it.
Well it's complete suicide on the PS3s part here... the $600 gaming PC has eight times as much system memory, any almost half the cost of the system is being put into a high-end graphics card. Meanwhile, the PS3 is still stuck with technology designed with what was available twenty months ago, and a great deal of the cost is put into "the cell" and a high-capacity optical drive.
The $600 gaming PC has no need of such things - every game will be installed, and all the nifty things (like surround sound support, ethernet, et cetera) are all built in to relatively cheap motherboards. Also, in the PC world you have competitive pricing. There's no one else on the market offering a machine that plays PS3 games to drive the price down - it will stay at $600 until it's profitable for Sony, regardless of the technology.
Meanwhile graphics cards, cpus, and memory just get cheaper. Six months from now my $600 gaming PC will have a better graphics card, faster memory, a bigger hard drive, and a faster CPU, while the PS3 will have the same hardware.
The only way you can argue a console is *better* is when it offers games that aren't on PC. An Xbox 360 is worth picking up if you want to play Too Human or Halo 3... a PS3 maybe for MGS4 or Final Fantasy XIII. But that's it. Trying to "own" a PC graphically is suicide.
For once we agree. Except that the only real genre we lack are JRPGs. Once the demand kicks up for that (OR PEOPLE START IMPORTING) the sky is the limits.
Vandal *shakes head* I don't always disagree with you, I do like to give you a run for your money. Life would be uninteresting if we conceded everything to one platform. The Xbox 360 has actually been a good thing for PC gamers in this respect - there's an influx of PC games (halo 2, shadowrun, dirt) that play similar to console games, for those who want the best of both worlds on their system.
When I saw Geometry Wars, Alan Wake, Bioshock, Oblivion, Halo 2, Devil May Cry 4, Haze, Fear, Shadowrun, Lost Planet and Dirt on PC, my opinions of DX10 gaming took a turn for the positive. It would be a lie to say that as a hardcore gamer I'm not drawn closer and closer to being a hermit each year. My ideal platform is a cross between the Xbox 360 and a Gaming PC - every year seems to be getting closer to that ideal, which puts a huge smile on my face.
But yes, there's no more supreme ignorance than to claim a platform with a fixed graphics card, where most of the cost of building that platform was put into a high-end optical drive, can compete graphically with a platform that has extreme competitive pressures on its graphics card market, and can essentially put almost half of the cost of the system into its graphics.
At the $600+ price point, the PC *annilates* any console.
I like the statement in your sig. IMO, it can be descibed as a subjective pyshcopath. "I am teh unqiue cuzz i question teh way teh world works errrrrrrrr" lol
[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="haols"][QUOTE="subrosian"]Actually, I'll play your game.
Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 @2.8 ghz (easy overclock) $114
mobo $ 60
Radeon x1950xt 256mb $200
2gb DDR2-667 $ 60
Windows Vista Home Premium $120
ATX Case w/450w PSU $ 50
DVD Drive $ 20
SATA HDD $ 60
Alright, so it's $684 + $20 shipping, vs. $600 + 7% tax.. wait that's $ 704 vs $642 either way! Interesting! Now they can both use the same monitors and speakers easily, they both have free online... but which one wins graphically? The PC. That PC listed there will run Crysis at better graphical settings than the PS3 will run Haze.
But let's go a step further, let's say you're smart about this - Haze doesn't come out until later this year - a time when we'll be able to get a GeForce 8800gts 320mb for $200. Oh, and Vista is available cheaply (aka free) through MSNA AA for any college student at a four year university majoring in IT, CS, Engineering, or MIS. Even high school students can qualify... and beta testers were able to get free copies, as well as several promotional venues. Add in that most people already have a case, power supply, DVD-RW drive, and hard drive in their existing PC, and things get more interesting.
For the same price as the PS3, PC gamers can get better graphics. Core 2 Duo ($114) + 2 gigs of DDR2-667 ($60) + mobo ($60) + Vista Home Premium ($120) + GeForce 8800gts 320mb ($270) = $624 + $20 shipping = $642... same as a PS3 with tax bought from a store...oops.
Pro_wrestler
Exactly!!!
As for me, I have a dual-core AMD rig with 1 GIG RAM, will get antoher GIG cheaply and then slap in a Geforce 8800GTS 320 and there ya go. Crysis at high-very high at 1280X1024. Far better then anything presented by PS3 or Xbox 360.
Battles about graphics can't be won by consoles, no matter how you put it.
Well it's complete suicide on the PS3s part here... the $600 gaming PC has eight times as much system memory, any almost half the cost of the system is being put into a high-end graphics card. Meanwhile, the PS3 is still stuck with technology designed with what was available twenty months ago, and a great deal of the cost is put into "the cell" and a high-capacity optical drive.
The $600 gaming PC has no need of such things - every game will be installed, and all the nifty things (like surround sound support, ethernet, et cetera) are all built in to relatively cheap motherboards. Also, in the PC world you have competitive pricing. There's no one else on the market offering a machine that plays PS3 games to drive the price down - it will stay at $600 until it's profitable for Sony, regardless of the technology.
Meanwhile graphics cards, cpus, and memory just get cheaper. Six months from now my $600 gaming PC will have a better graphics card, faster memory, a bigger hard drive, and a faster CPU, while the PS3 will have the same hardware.
The only way you can argue a console is *better* is when it offers games that aren't on PC. An Xbox 360 is worth picking up if you want to play Too Human or Halo 3... a PS3 maybe for MGS4 or Final Fantasy XIII. But that's it. Trying to "own" a PC graphically is suicide.
For once we agree. Except that the only real genre we lack are JRPGs. Once the demand kicks up for that (OR PEOPLE START IMPORTING) the sky is the limits.
Vandal *shakes head* I don't always disagree with you, I do like to give you a run for your money. Life would be uninteresting if we conceded everything to one platform. The Xbox 360 has actually been a good thing for PC gamers in this respect - there's an influx of PC games (halo 2, shadowrun, dirt) that play similar to console games, for those who want the best of both worlds on their system.
When I saw Geometry Wars, Alan Wake, Bioshock, Oblivion, Halo 2, Devil May Cry 4, Haze, Fear, Shadowrun, Lost Planet and Dirt on PC, my opinions of DX10 gaming took a turn for the positive. It would be a lie to say that as a hardcore gamer I'm not drawn closer and closer to being a hermit each year. My ideal platform is a cross between the Xbox 360 and a Gaming PC - every year seems to be getting closer to that ideal, which puts a huge smile on my face.
But yes, there's no more supreme ignorance than to claim a platform with a fixed graphics card, where most of the cost of building that platform was put into a high-end optical drive, can compete graphically with a platform that has extreme competitive pressures on its graphics card market, and can essentially put almost half of the cost of the system into its graphics.
At the $600+ price point, the PC *annilates* any console.
I like the statement in your sig. IMO, it can be descibed as a subjective pyshcopath. "I am teh unqiue cuzz i question teh way teh world works errrrrrrrr" lol
Yeah, haha, kind of - I get bothered when people are like "I have a CS degree, I know how this works" - it's gone so far as there being a few forums where game developers have actually stepped in and said "uh... you're wrong". Five years of studying turning machines won't teach you how the games business works. The most useful thing I've learned in my business degree is to question *everything*, right down to the validity of a person's credientials. When you study business a lot of things that seem common sense don't work they way you'd think, and I think the most useful thing any college degree teaches you is how to analyze information.
Like in the PS3s case - we talk about a $600 machine - does it really have $600 worth of "game" in it? Even assuming the PS3 costs Sony $800 to produce - how much of that is really being put into the memory, cpu, and gpu? How well have they optimized every component? Are you getting the most "oomph" for your dollar?
I don't think so! Compare it to the graphics card market, where there's a huge competitive pressure to get the price of a card down, to make a more powerful card, to offer something, anything, that sets you apart from the competition. There's no comparison. In three months the PS3 will still be $600 - yet every graphics card on the market will have fallen significantly in price, with ever greater competition coming in the form of new cards, or faster models of existing cards.
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