ATi vs nVidia

You type all that and I type just this. Ratchet & Clank and Uncharted say hello.

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Bubblehash

Silly fanboys are impressed by colours. I guess Banjo owns both then, since it is colourful and has awesome textures in a NON-LINEAR game.

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[QUOTE="muscleserge"]Consoles work a little differently than PCs, they are very similar in principle but still different. The 360 GPU is more powerful than the RSX but not by much, not enough to really call superior, it is like comparing x1800 vs 7800. Anyway the two consoles are pretty close this gen, last gen there was a much bigger rift with Xbox vs PS2.usule

Nope... You are right on the RSX it is really close to a 7800 nvidia, but the 360 gpu is really close to a 1900xtx ati . This makes it significantly more powerfull, still the same ball park but undoubtly more powerfull...

[QUOTE="usule"][QUOTE="1xcalibur1"][QUOTE="Cali3350"]

ATi and Nvidia go in cycles.

3 years ago ATI destroyed Nvidia so hardcore nobody thought they had a chance of surviving.

Fast forward to a year ago Nvidia was doing the decimating.

Now ATI looks to be coming on strong once again, with Nvidia not only having worse cards but far more driver issues and some severe die problems causing hundreds of millions in losses.

They go in cycles.

1xcalibur1

What the hell are you talking about man?

ATI was ALWAYS 2nd place. Nvidia is and has been dominating the market since it's day-view.

When was the last time you saw a logo on a game that says "ATI the way it's meant to be"? And even today with ATI's supposed cost-worthy 4870, the card overheats, is a hog on power consumption and actually works slower in CFX compared to 2 "inferior" 260 GTX SLI.

When ATI starts having games with their names on it, call me.

Half life 2 ring a bell??? All source engine games recommend ATI. By the way ATI is working on a partnership with Blizzard which is pretty sweet IMO. We should all be glad that the video game market is getting competitive again that way we will see more competitive prices. Its better for our wallets :D.

ATi has valve and Blizzard now.

Yay.

ATi has valve and Blizzard now.

Yay.

lettuceman44

i thought ati just last year used to be with valve but it's now with nvidia.

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]

ATi and Nvidia go in cycles.

3 years ago ATI destroyed Nvidia so hardcore nobody thought they had a chance of surviving.

Fast forward to a year ago Nvidia was doing the decimating.

Now ATI looks to be coming on strong once again, with Nvidia not only having worse cards but far more driver issues and some severe die problems causing hundreds of millions in losses.

They go in cycles.

1xcalibur1

What the hell are you talking about man?

ATI was ALWAYS 2nd place. Nvidia is and has been dominating the market since it's day-view.

When was the last time you saw a logo on a game that says "ATI the way it's meant to be"? And even today with ATI's supposed cost-worthy 4870, the card overheats, is a hog on power consumption and actually works slower in CFX compared to 2 "inferior" 260 GTX SLI.

Nvidia pays publishers to add that logo it means nothing. ATi has often been in first place when it comes to speed and won in sales during the r300 generation. Nvidia lost money last quarter because they had to massivily drop the prices of the GTX260 and GTX280 to make them competetive price/performance wise. ATi won this round and since 2002 have generally been as good or better the Nvidia.

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

ATi has valve and Blizzard now.

Yay.

mayforcebeyou

i thought ati just last year used to be with valve but it's now with nvidia.

[QUOTE="1xcalibur1"][QUOTE="Cali3350"]

ATi and Nvidia go in cycles.

3 years ago ATI destroyed Nvidia so hardcore nobody thought they had a chance of surviving.

Fast forward to a year ago Nvidia was doing the decimating.

Now ATI looks to be coming on strong once again, with Nvidia not only having worse cards but far more driver issues and some severe die problems causing hundreds of millions in losses.

They go in cycles.

TOAO_Cyrus1

What the hell are you talking about man?

ATI was ALWAYS 2nd place. Nvidia is and has been dominating the market since it's day-view.

When was the last time you saw a logo on a game that says "ATI the way it's meant to be"? And even today with ATI's supposed cost-worthy 4870, the card overheats, is a hog on power consumption and actually works slower in CFX compared to 2 "inferior" 260 GTX SLI.

Nvidia pays publishers to add that logo it means nothing. ATi has often been in first place when it comes to speed and won in sales during the r300 generation. Nvidia lost money last quarter because they had to massivily drop the prices of the GTX260 and GTX280 to make them competetive price/performance wise. ATi won this round and since 2002 have generally been as good or better the Nvidia.

[QUOTE="mayforcebeyou"][QUOTE="lettuceman44"]

ATi has valve and Blizzard now.

Yay.

lettuceman44

i thought ati just last year used to be with valve but it's now with nvidia.

[QUOTE="1xcalibur1"][QUOTE="Cali3350"]

ATi and Nvidia go in cycles.

3 years ago ATI destroyed Nvidia so hardcore nobody thought they had a chance of surviving.

Fast forward to a year ago Nvidia was doing the decimating.

Now ATI looks to be coming on strong once again, with Nvidia not only having worse cards but far more driver issues and some severe die problems causing hundreds of millions in losses.

They go in cycles.

TOAO_Cyrus1

What the hell are you talking about man?

ATI was ALWAYS 2nd place. Nvidia is and has been dominating the market since it's day-view.

When was the last time you saw a logo on a game that says "ATI the way it's meant to be"? And even today with ATI's supposed cost-worthy 4870, the card overheats, is a hog on power consumption and actually works slower in CFX compared to 2 "inferior" 260 GTX SLI.

Nvidia pays publishers to add that logo it means nothing. ATi has often been in first place when it comes to speed and won in sales during the r300 generation. Nvidia lost money last quarter because they had to massivily drop the prices of the GTX260 and GTX280 to make them competetive price/performance wise. ATi won this round and since 2002 have generally been as good or better the Nvidia.

Yep and Nvidia had the FX series. They both have ups and downs.

Guys, console GPU's are a lot weaker than you guys think, basically they were modeled after 1900 and 7800, but the thing that hurt them the most was cutting the Bit bus from 256 to 128, and if anyone knows video cards, knows this just kills the cards, because your cutting a lot of memory bandwith, so technically you are looking at something little less weaker than 7800GS and a little stronger than a 7600GT in RSX, and something in middle of 1600xt and 1800xt, and thank the developers for making graphics this good for consoles, because the hardware is pretty mediocre.deniiiii21

Xenos really isnt modled after the X1900. It was a completely seperate design and team. The 128 bit bus is probably limiting it though.

[QUOTE="deniiiii21"]Guys, console GPU's are a lot weaker than you guys think, basically they were modeled after 1900 and 7800, but the thing that hurt them the most was cutting the Bit bus from 256 to 128, and if anyone knows video cards, knows this just kills the cards, because your cutting a lot of memory bandwith, so technically you are looking at something little less weaker than 7800GS and a little stronger than a 7600GT in RSX, and something in middle of 1600xt and 1800xt, and thank the developers for making graphics this good for consoles, because the hardware is pretty mediocre.TOAO_Cyrus1

Xenos really isnt modled after the X1900. It was a completely seperate design and team. The 128 bit bus is probably limiting it though.

Xenos is much more similar to the HD 2000 series in design than the x1000 series. Unified shaders, etc.

The Cell is able to run graphics code so the PS3 has the potential to show better graphics than the 360, just it will take a lot of time and resources to achieve that.GIJames248

well all cpu can run graphics code , what you mean to say is : cell can run graphics code better then 360 xenon .

but as far as bettter hten its gpu i dont think so, maybe if its just does graphics but then again it also has to be a cpu as well so i dont think it can do cpu+gpu at same time and not have problems, why do you think sony wanted 2 cells in the ps3, and why do you think ps3 has a gpu?

please stop praising the cell. it is not as godly as sony claims. its better at some things and worse at others. just like the ati/nvidia war.

Every time i got an ATI card, i got all kind of problems with it. I have had 3 different ATI cards, had some issues with all of them. I'll never buy any graphic card from ATI again, i'll stick to Nvidia.Tykain

I've always preferred Nvidia over ATI for many reasons. While ATI does have the price advantage and is more consumer friendly, its always been under my impression that Nvidia's cards are better built and the attachments that go along with them are superb. Some of the best motherboards I've ever used were specifically designed for Nvidia SLI with nForce chipsets. Also I find that Nvidia 8+ series cards have much better cooling flow than their ATI counterparts.

Performance wise, things are negligible for me due to the fact that the only games that has potential to utilize the latest high end cards are pretty much just Crysis and World in Conflict at the moment. Every other game can easily be maxed with 4x AA on a decent resolution with a mid-high card.

For those complaining about drivers, both companies have horrible software :P

Nvidia is currently dominating the PC market, and its latest drivers with PhysX are very interesting.skrat_01

Yea, but thats because ATi just released their new, and WAY better cards... well... the GTX 280 holds up, but the 4870 out does it... :) for way cheaper.

its all about the gpu and what you see on screen..

games like crysis prove that..

I rememer the Geforce 5900XT vs Radeon 9800 war. It was amazing.

Then the 6 series pwned the ATI X series.

I rememer the Geforce 5900XT vs Radeon 9800 war. It was amazing.

Then the 6 series pwned the ATI X series.

ClawKiller

Not really the ATi cards were more powerful but the 6 series supported pixal shader 3 which was only a problem in like one game (chaos theory, but they patched it). Of course the 6800GT had easily the best performance/price.

Guys, console GPU's are a lot weaker than you guys think, basically they were modeled after 1900 and 7800, but the thing that hurt them the most was cutting the Bit bus from 256 to 128, and if anyone knows video cards, knows this just kills the cards, because your cutting a lot of memory bandwith, so technically you are looking at something little less weaker than 7800GS and a little stronger than a 7600GT in RSX, and something in middle of 1600xt and 1800xt, and thank the developers for making graphics this good for consoles, because the hardware is pretty mediocre.deniiiii21

The RSX was modeled after the 7 series card, the 7800 to be precise, the Xenos WAS NOT modeled after the 1900, it was modeled after the R600.

[QUOTE="deniiiii21"]Guys, console GPU's are a lot weaker than you guys think, basically they were modeled after 1900 and 7800, but the thing that hurt them the most was cutting the Bit bus from 256 to 128, and if anyone knows video cards, knows this just kills the cards, because your cutting a lot of memory bandwith, so technically you are looking at something little less weaker than 7800GS and a little stronger than a 7600GT in RSX, and something in middle of 1600xt and 1800xt, and thank the developers for making graphics this good for consoles, because the hardware is pretty mediocre.Nagidar

The RSX was modeled after the 7 series card, the 7800 to be precise, the Xenos WAS NOT modeled after the 1900, it was modeled after the R600.

Actually it was its own modle, Xenos and R600 both have unifid shaders but the artechure was quite different. Its certainly not an r600 with fewer units.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="deniiiii21"]Guys, console GPU's are a lot weaker than you guys think, basically they were modeled after 1900 and 7800, but the thing that hurt them the most was cutting the Bit bus from 256 to 128, and if anyone knows video cards, knows this just kills the cards, because your cutting a lot of memory bandwith, so technically you are looking at something little less weaker than 7800GS and a little stronger than a 7600GT in RSX, and something in middle of 1600xt and 1800xt, and thank the developers for making graphics this good for consoles, because the hardware is pretty mediocre.TOAO_Cyrus1

The RSX was modeled after the 7 series card, the 7800 to be precise, the Xenos WAS NOT modeled after the 1900, it was modeled after the R600.

Actually it was its own modle, Xenos and R600 both have unifid shaders but the artechure was quite dissimmilar.

The only thing that was different was the daughter die and of course the PC R600 had more shaders, other than that, the architecture was practically the same.