ATI's R700 To Support DirectX 10.1

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"]and I would agree, Gears is def. based for cinamatics...and yes it looks very good. The graphics are up there, but as far as "technical" achievement on a wider scale...your are right... lots more impressive games from that standpoint.

Wartzay

Absoultely not true at all. GeoW is easily the best technical achievement as of now. The Unreal 3 engine is the best DX 9 engine available. And there were alot more then textures going on there.  

while Gears is a great technical achievement...I would say the best technical achievement (even though it has sketchy framerate performance sometimes ) is Oblivion that game does things that were just dreams to developers a short time ago

[QUOTE="Wartzay"][QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][

but behind even a geforce 8600 :lol:

Medjai

does the 8600 do tessellation? and you say above 360 GPU = 7600GT? care to rephrase that because you are way off their buddy

Dont listen to him the 8600 is a piece of **** compared the the Xenos. The Xenos is close to a x1900xt while the 8600 cant even beat 200$ last gen cards.

yeah neither of them are much of an upgrade. The 8800GTS is only slightly better then a x1950xt in DX9 games and early reports (COH DX10 patch) sow that it completely sucks in DX10 games.

Main reason as to why I don't bother wasting my cash on PC parts. DX 10 cards are already obsolete. Pathetic.LuvGaming

they are not obsolete with PC hardware you deffinately have to pick your spots and not always go for the newest thing out there...I think people who bought 8800's will be disappointed soon but at the same time it was a bad move to upgrade to that card in the 1st place...so its their fault really 

DirectX 11? I have never seen a version of Directx to be improved upon (and thus become outdated and obsolete) so quickly. Why can't they just have DX10a, DX10b, and DX10c like they do with DX9?makingmusic476

It's probably only going to add support for the tessellation, which is something only the ATI cards currently support. This won't give anything for those who have stock in Nvidia. It appears, though, that ATI are being the real technology innovators. This is an amazing advance, the software has to catch up with the hardware! An API has to catch up, even! 

Main reason as to why I don't bother wasting my cash on PC parts. DX 10 cards are already obsolete. Pathetic.LuvGaming

You just need to pick your upgrades carefully. One thing you never do is upgrade to the first generation of cards that support a new DX version because you never know how they will actually perform untill months later. THe only one that really panned out that I can think of was the ATi R300 series. 

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"]Main reason as to why I don't bother wasting my cash on PC parts. DX 10 cards are already obsolete. Pathetic.Medjai

they are not obsolete with PC hardware you deffinately have to pick your spots and not always go for the newest thing out there...I think people who bought 8800's will be disappointed soon but at the same time it was a bad move to upgrade to that card in the 1st place...so its their fault really

8800s are priced better than the 2900. The tessellation thing will only become an issue after they release "Direct X11" and the corresponding ATI card that supports it. 8800s currently outperform the 2900 XT by a HUGE margin in all games. 

Well, actually, the really funny thing about all this is that Vista was supposed to standardize graphics and hardware....!!!

Screw ATI in that respect for rocking the boat so damn much. 

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"]DirectX 11? I have never seen a version of Directx to be improved upon (and thus become outdated and obsolete) so quickly. Why can't they just have DX10a, DX10b, and DX10c like they do with DX9?Redfingers

It's probably only going to add support for the tessellation, which is something only the ATI cards currently support. This won't give anything for those who have stock in Nvidia. It appears, though, that ATI are being the real technology innovators. This is an amazing advance, the software has to catch up with the hardware! An API has to catch up, even!

Yeah the R600 is technically way more advanced then the G80 but ATI went with an inbalenced design. They skimped on the texturing hardware which bottlenecks it alot. Hopefully the R650 will fix this.

yeah neither of them are much of an upgrade. The 8800GTS is only slightly better then a x1950xt in DX9 games and early reports (COH DX10 patch) sow that it completely sucks in DX10 games. Wartzay

[QUOTE="Medjai"]

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"]Main reason as to why I don't bother wasting my cash on PC parts. DX 10 cards are already obsolete. Pathetic.Redfingers

they are not obsolete with PC hardware you deffinately have to pick your spots and not always go for the newest thing out there...I think people who bought 8800's will be disappointed soon but at the same time it was a bad move to upgrade to that card in the 1st place...so its their fault really

8800s are priced better than the 2900. The tessellation thing will only become an issue after they release "Direct X11" and the corresponding ATI card that supports it. 8800s currently outperform the 2900 XT by a HUGE margin in all games.

Uh no. prices will even out when the 2900 has been out for a bit and the ATi card is right between the GTS and GTX performance wise. There is no reason to upgrade now though with the G81 and R650 comming soon.

[QUOTE="Medjai"]

they are not obsolete with PC hardware you deffinately have to pick your spots and not always go for the newest thing out there...I think people who bought 8800's will be disappointed soon but at the same time it was a bad move to upgrade to that card in the 1st place...so its their fault really

Redfingers

8800s are priced better than the 2900. The tessellation thing will only become an issue after they release "Direct X11" and the corresponding ATI card that supports it. 8800s currently outperform the 2900 XT by a HUGE margin in all games. 

if you read my other posts I don't like the 8000 series or the x2000 series makes no sense to buy either when a 7600GT can run most everygame pretty darn well...and it won't be DX11 it will be DX10.1 or DX10b as we have already stated with all the advertising and time MS has spent with the whole Games For Windows/DX10/Vista thing there is no way they'd drop DX10 before Vista has some real market penetration.

Putting multi GPU's on 1 board is like the old school 3DFX days.

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"]Main reason as to why I don't bother wasting my cash on PC parts. DX 10 cards are already obsolete. Pathetic.Wartzay

You just need to pick your upgrades carefully. One thing you never do is upgrade to the first generation of cards that support a new DX version because you never know how they will actually perform untill months later. THe only one that really panned out that I can think of was the ATi R300 series. 

[QUOTE="Redfingers"][QUOTE="Medjai"]

they are not obsolete with PC hardware you deffinately have to pick your spots and not always go for the newest thing out there...I think people who bought 8800's will be disappointed soon but at the same time it was a bad move to upgrade to that card in the 1st place...so its their fault really

Medjai

8800s are priced better than the 2900. The tessellation thing will only become an issue after they release "Direct X11" and the corresponding ATI card that supports it. 8800s currently outperform the 2900 XT by a HUGE margin in all games.

if you read my other posts I don't like the 8000 series or the x2000 series makes no sense to buy either when a 7600GT can run most everygame pretty darn well...and it won't be DX11 it will be DX10.1 or DX10b as we have already stated with all the advertising and time MS has spent with the whole Games For Windows/DX10/Vista thing there is no way they'd drop DX10 before Vista has some real market penetration.

I've got a 7800 GS and I'm getting serious bottlenecks on a (granted, huge, with 50 players) game running on a modified Unreal Engine 2004 (Red Orchestra Ostfront).

My brother's 8800 GTS destroys my card. His 3dmark benchmarks are like...4x mine, plus he can play Crysis in DX10 assuming he gets Vista when it comes out. 

[QUOTE="Wartzay"]

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"]Main reason as to why I don't bother wasting my cash on PC parts. DX 10 cards are already obsolete. Pathetic.LuvGaming

You just need to pick your upgrades carefully. One thing you never do is upgrade to the first generation of cards that support a new DX version because you never know how they will actually perform untill months later. THe only one that really panned out that I can think of was the ATi R300 series.

No. Wrong. My 2 year old 7800GT can still run all games on high settings. FACT. 

This is why PC gaming just isn't mainstream and is small compared to the console market, and why PC developers like EPIC and VALVE are getting on the console bandwagon.Hoobinator

How is Valve getting on the console bandwagon? Please explain...... 

lol

zomg dx10 is gimick hermits owned again

the question is when will nvidia release their card with directx 10.2....

how does it feel hermits being outdated within 1 month ?

the question is when will nvidia release their card with directx 10.2....

how does it feel hermits being outdated within 1 month ?

legalize3

We feel alrightm, considering these are just rumors and the cards won't be out for at least a year. How does it feel to be outdated before your platform was even released? :) 

As ATI's R650 launch gets closer and closer, more rumors and official information begin to surface. This also applies for the upcoming R700 GPU, which is supposed to revolutionize the graphics card sector. The latest developments point to the fact that the R700 multi-core chip will support the improved DirectX version 10.1 (rumored to be renamed to DirectX 11).

The tessellation engine implemented in the R600 GPU and further developed with the R650 model will reach version 2.0 by the time the R700 is released. The tessellation feature isn't supported by any graphics API, but Microsoft promised that this nice addition will be included in the 10.1. Game developers think that the tessellation support could also be easily introduced into the OpenGL API. As you may already know by now, the hardware implemented tessellation support will allow game developers to create extremely detailed terrains and characters with only a few polygons. In order to obtain the incredible amount of detail, the GPU will tessellate a reduced number of polygons, in up to 15 segments per polygon. ATI has already demonstrated how this process works in their Ruby technological demo that comes with the HD 2900XT cards, but it's fair to say that any actual game implementation won't get to be released until late 2008.

ATI does not intend to radically transform the R650 GPU, so we won't get to see the multi-core technology sooner than the R700. According to ATI, the next-gen chip will be made out of a number of smaller chips. This number of chips will determine the targeted market sector: a single chip will represent an entry level card, two chips will make up a mainstream one, while four to eight cores on the same die will make for high-end solutions. The multi-core architecture should also feature the CrossFire support, leading to configurations of sixteen GPU cores in the case of two high-end R700 graphics cards.

As for the soon-to-be-released R650 model, ATI claims that it has slightly redesigned the core in order to greatly improve the texturing power issues that came with the R600. We should also expect some previews of he R650 GPU soon.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/ATI-039-s-R700-to-support-DirectX-10-1-55321.shtml

:shock:

-Renegade

DX10.1 would translate to DX10a not DX11. 

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

the question is when will nvidia release their card with directx 10.2....

how does it feel hermits being outdated within 1 month ?

dgsag

We feel alrightm, considering these are just rumors and the cards won't be out for at least a year. How does it feel to be outdated before your platform was even released? :)

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]This is why PC gaming just isn't mainstream and is small compared to the console market, and why PC developers like EPIC and VALVE are getting on the console bandwagon.trix5817

How is Valve getting on the console bandwagon? Please explain......

Orange Box, with all the goodness coming to PC, PS3 and 360.

It's not just Valve many, many PC developers are slowly shifting over to dual development on console and PC, some even making the consoles their first choice.  Bethesda and Bioware are some prime examples of this.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]This is why PC gaming just isn't mainstream and is small compared to the console market, and why PC developers like EPIC and VALVE are getting on the console bandwagon.Hoobinator

How is Valve getting on the console bandwagon? Please explain......

Orange Box, with all the goodness coming to PC, PS3 and 360.

It's not just Valve many, many PC developers are slowly shifting over to dual development on console and PC, some even making the consoles their first choice. Bethesda and Bioware are some prime examples of this.

Releasing a 3 year old game on consoles is your interpretation of Valve getting on the console bandwagon? They did the same with HL, and they ported HL2 to the Xbox. They are always PC first. Wow. I might as well call Bungie bungie a PC game company, considering Halo and Halo2 released with more content and editors for the PC versions. Bethesda? What are you talking about? Morrowind was on the PC first, Xbox second, Oblivion was PC first, consoles second, Fallout 3 is PC first,consoles second (although it will be dumbed down and consolized like Oblivion, what a shame). Bioware? They are making Dragon Age for PC only. 

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]This is why PC gaming just isn't mainstream and is small compared to the console market, and why PC developers like EPIC and VALVE are getting on the console bandwagon.trix5817

How is Valve getting on the console bandwagon? Please explain......

Orange Box, with all the goodness coming to PC, PS3 and 360.

It's not just Valve many, many PC developers are slowly shifting over to dual development on console and PC, some even making the consoles their first choice. Bethesda and Bioware are some prime examples of this.

Releasing a 3 year old game on consoles is your interpretation of Valve getting on the console bandwagon? They did the same with HL, and they ported HL2 to the Xbox. They are always PC first. Wow. I might as well call Bungie bungie a PC game company, considering Halo and Halo2 released with more content and editors for the PC versions. Bethesda? What are you talking about? Morrowind was on the PC first, Xbox second, Oblivion was PC first, consoles second, Fallout 3 is PC first,consoles second (although it will be dumbed down and consolized like Oblivion, what a shame). Bioware? They are making Dragon Age for PC only.

Moving more and more into the console market. Oblivion was released simultaneously on both platforms, Bioware is concentrating heavily on consoles now and the same goes for a lot of other companies.

I remember Bethesda saying they sold as more copies of morrowind on Xbox than PC, they make money that's where they go. EPIC themselves have said the PC market just isn't there for them to make the money so they started making games for the consoles.

Face it it's because of crap like this, DX9, DX10, DX10.1, DX11a, DX11.496b crap that puts so many people off. It's ironic that the same technological leaps which sustain the PC market are also inadvertently hurting it. :lol: 

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"][QUOTE="Wartzay"]

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"]Main reason as to why I don't bother wasting my cash on PC parts. DX 10 cards are already obsolete. Pathetic.trix5817

You just need to pick your upgrades carefully. One thing you never do is upgrade to the first generation of cards that support a new DX version because you never know how they will actually perform untill months later. THe only one that really panned out that I can think of was the ATi R300 series.

No. Wrong. My 2 year old 7800GT can still run all games on high settings. FACT. 

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]This is why PC gaming just isn't mainstream and is small compared to the console market, and why PC developers like EPIC and VALVE are getting on the console bandwagon.Hoobinator

How is Valve getting on the console bandwagon? Please explain......

Orange Box, with all the goodness coming to PC, PS3 and 360.

It's not just Valve many, many PC developers are slowly shifting over to dual development on console and PC, some even making the consoles their first choice. Bethesda and Bioware are some prime examples of this.

Releasing a 3 year old game on consoles is your interpretation of Valve getting on the console bandwagon? They did the same with HL, and they ported HL2 to the Xbox. They are always PC first. Wow. I might as well call Bungie bungie a PC game company, considering Halo and Halo2 released with more content and editors for the PC versions. Bethesda? What are you talking about? Morrowind was on the PC first, Xbox second, Oblivion was PC first, consoles second, Fallout 3 is PC first,consoles second (although it will be dumbed down and consolized like Oblivion, what a shame). Bioware? They are making Dragon Age for PC only.

Moving more and more into the console market. Oblivion was released simultaneously on both platforms, Bioware is concentrating heavily on consoles now and the same goes for a lot of other companies.

I remember Bethesda saying they sold as more copies of morrowind on Xbox than PC, they make money that's where they go. EPIC themselves have said the PC market just isn't there for them to make the money so they started making games for the consoles.

Face it it's because of crap like this, DX9, DX10, DX10.1, DX11a, DX11.496b crap that puts so many people off. It's ironic that the same technological leaps which sustain the PC market are also inadvertently hurting it. :lol:

Epic? The guy who said that about PC gaming is a joke. They said that "pirating" is ruining PC gaming, when their games are primarily MP games, which are almost impossible to pirate because you need a CD key. They are using it as a scapegoat. With PC games you get low developement costs, unlike console games. It's where devs can get started making big games. WoW alone has more players subscribed than XBL, it's sad really. DX9 is still going strong, this "DX11" is nothing more than what is says, which is DX10.1, or DX10b, and will not need a whole new API and new hardware desinged specifally for it. You arguement is quite weak. Anyone who says PC gaming is dieing needs to open there eyes.

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="LuvGaming"][QUOTE="Wartzay"]

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"]Main reason as to why I don't bother wasting my cash on PC parts. DX 10 cards are already obsolete. Pathetic.MIYAMOTOnext007

You just need to pick your upgrades carefully. One thing you never do is upgrade to the first generation of cards that support a new DX version because you never know how they will actually perform untill months later. THe only one that really panned out that I can think of was the ATi R300 series.

No. Wrong. My 2 year old 7800GT can still run all games on high settings. FACT.

I dont need 16AA. I can play the game at max settings (except for max AA and AF) with no problem. Max AF and AA doesn't really make that big of a difference. All the textures, lighting, polygons, etc etc are all still there. It looks absolutely amazing. Oh, I OC'ed my 7800GT by the way also.

PC's are laughable, all technology talk, and only one next gen game so far, Crysis, consoles will get FAR better than any PC game in 2008 and probably 2009, and only then PC games will move far ahead, maybe

Right now games like Mass Effect, Fable 2 etc put any PC exclusive game to real shame, even with DX10.1 or DX25 used

It is like having the best tech now, and use it after 2-3 years

greg_splicer

hahahah!!! spoken like a true jealous fanboy...

Main reason as to why I don't bother wasting my cash on PC parts. DX 10 cards are already obsolete. Pathetic.LuvGaming

Any DX10 card can run 10.x. Nothing is obsolete. It will be years before  DX11 comes out. Your console will be obsolete by then as well, so you'll be shoveling out the cash anyway. 

I believe this has been known for a long time already.

DX10.1 will just add in a couple new features and make things easier for the developer. 

[QUOTE="MIYAMOTOnext007"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="LuvGaming"][QUOTE="Wartzay"]

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"]Main reason as to why I don't bother wasting my cash on PC parts. DX 10 cards are already obsolete. Pathetic.trix5817

You just need to pick your upgrades carefully. One thing you never do is upgrade to the first generation of cards that support a new DX version because you never know how they will actually perform untill months later. THe only one that really panned out that I can think of was the ATi R300 series.

No. Wrong. My 2 year old 7800GT can still run all games on high settings. FACT.

I dont need 16AA. I can play the game at max settings (except for max AA and AF) with no problem. Max AF and AA doesn't really make that big of a difference. All the textures, lighting, polygons, etc etc are all still there. It looks absolutely amazing. Oh, I OC'ed my 7800GT by the way also.

lol directx sometimes moves very quickly. directx10 is evolutionary, thus it will be obsolete very soon.

8 core gpu...lol.... and LOL AT 'NEXT-GEN' CONSOLES!!!!! :lol: The funny thing is by this time next year the R700 will have been released. Welcome to the world of pc's baby, it moves real quick.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

the R700 multi-core chip will support the improved DirectX version 10.1 (rumored to be renamed to DirectX 11).

hummer700

WTF, have they even used DX 10 to its fullest yet?

This is why im scared to invest any further into PC gaming. As soon as i get the newest graphics card, something new comes out.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]This is why PC gaming just isn't mainstream and is small compared to the console market, and why PC developers like EPIC and VALVE are getting on the console bandwagon.trix5817

How is Valve getting on the console bandwagon? Please explain......

Orange Box, with all the goodness coming to PC, PS3 and 360.

It's not just Valve many, many PC developers are slowly shifting over to dual development on console and PC, some even making the consoles their first choice. Bethesda and Bioware are some prime examples of this.

Releasing a 3 year old game on consoles is your interpretation of Valve getting on the console bandwagon? They did the same with HL, and they ported HL2 to the Xbox. They are always PC first. Wow. I might as well call Bungie bungie a PC game company, considering Halo and Halo2 released with more content and editors for the PC versions. Bethesda? What are you talking about? Morrowind was on the PC first, Xbox second, Oblivion was PC first, consoles second, Fallout 3 is PC first,consoles second (although it will be dumbed down and consolized like Oblivion, what a shame). Bioware? They are making Dragon Age for PC only.

Moving more and more into the console market. Oblivion was released simultaneously on both platforms, Bioware is concentrating heavily on consoles now and the same goes for a lot of other companies.

I remember Bethesda saying they sold as more copies of morrowind on Xbox than PC, they make money that's where they go. EPIC themselves have said the PC market just isn't there for them to make the money so they started making games for the consoles.

Face it it's because of crap like this, DX9, DX10, DX10.1, DX11a, DX11.496b crap that puts so many people off. It's ironic that the same technological leaps which sustain the PC market are also inadvertently hurting it. :lol:

Epic? The guy who said that about PC gaming is a joke. They said that "pirating" is ruining PC gaming, when their games are primarily MP games, which are almost impossible to pirate because you need a CD key. They are using it as a scapegoat. With PC games you get low developement costs, unlike console games. It's where devs can get started making big games. WoW alone has more players subscribed than XBL, it's sad really. DX9 is still going strong, this "DX11" is nothing more than what is says, which is DX10.1, or DX10b, and will not need a whole new API and new hardware desinged specifally for it. You arguement is quite weak. Anyone who says PC gaming is dieing needs to open there eyes.

Ati and nvidia play a very close game, soon ati will take the lead in quality and capability of their gpu's. They did with the console gpu (rsx vs xenon) the xbox360 gpu is better designed.

ati used to lead with it's 9600+ series, and nvidia took the lead with its 6800+ series, but they have been close ever since. 

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="MIYAMOTOnext007"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="LuvGaming"][QUOTE="Wartzay"]

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"]Main reason as to why I don't bother wasting my cash on PC parts. DX 10 cards are already obsolete. Pathetic.MIYAMOTOnext007

You just need to pick your upgrades carefully. One thing you never do is upgrade to the first generation of cards that support a new DX version because you never know how they will actually perform untill months later. THe only one that really panned out that I can think of was the ATi R300 series.

No. Wrong. My 2 year old 7800GT can still run all games on high settings. FACT.

I dont need 16AA. I can play the game at max settings (except for max AA and AF) with no problem. Max AF and AA doesn't really make that big of a difference. All the textures, lighting, polygons, etc etc are all still there. It looks absolutely amazing. Oh, I OC'ed my 7800GT by the way also.

You don't need AA if you are running at a high resolution. But anyways, I usually set AA to 2x or 4x. Looks fine for me. 

PC's are laughable, all technology talk, and only one next gen game so far, Crysis, consoles will get FAR better than any PC game in 2008 and probably 2009, and only then PC games will move far ahead, maybe

Right now games like Mass Effect, Fable 2 etc put any PC exclusive game to real shame, even with DX10.1 or DX25 used

It is like having the best tech now, and use it after 2-3 years

greg_splicer

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"][QUOTE="Wartzay"]

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"]Main reason as to why I don't bother wasting my cash on PC parts. DX 10 cards are already obsolete. Pathetic.trix5817

You just need to pick your upgrades carefully. One thing you never do is upgrade to the first generation of cards that support a new DX version because you never know how they will actually perform untill months later. THe only one that really panned out that I can think of was the ATi R300 series.

No. Wrong. My 2 year old 7800GT can still run all games on high settings. FACT.