@AvIdGaMeR444, Your "Opinions"

First, let me just say, besides PhoebusFlows, you are the most dedicated WiiHater I've seen. You pretty much come on these forums for the sole purpose of flaming the godly popular system. Let me just redefine a few of your recent posts for you:

You've said, the Wii is not on pace to beat the PS2 in sales, so how can it be that popular.

Your wrong.

From launch, as you can see, the Wii and the DS have virtually owned the PS2. Now, many would bring up that "oh it didn't launch everywhere at once." Well, for the record, neither did the Wii, and it doesn't matter. According to the factual figures, not the "fair" ones you make up, the Wii is actually distantly ahead of the PS2. Period.

Next, you've laughed at MP3 for not winning best control scheme.

True.

However, the Wii did win GotY, as an exclusive titles, as well as best adventure game. Are we supposed to protest now? No, we're happy as we can be, ever. This is the greatest day in Sheep history. Wanna laugh about that?

How bout the implications of that? The Wii can actually have better games than the 360 or PS3, as well as being far cheaper. Well, "can" is a bad word. "Does" fits. The Wii DOES actually have better games than the 360 or the PS3, technically.

You've said the Wii has the worst/weakest library.

Actually, if you go by quantity over quality, you're right. According to gamespot, and check my numbers here, the Wii has 20 AA-AAA titles, the PS3 has 21. Gamespot rates VC releases, and if your multiplats count, so do our VC games.

Now, as for what I, and most intelligent people, believe, a systems strength is based on the quality of its exclusive games. As you can clearly see from the quality of the exclusive games on the Wii, and in the timeframe of the lifecycle they are being released, the Wii is actually far ahead of the game, compared to its previous tries with the GCN and the N64, and lightyears ahead of, heh, sony.

To be fair, I have never read you saying the Wii has "no good games," which is a shame, because it would be just too fun and interesting to not own someone who actually says this with a serious intent.

Now, if you would. Can you comment on the fact that as this gen moves along, the Wii will accumulate exclusives, while the PS3 and 360 will lose them? Did I make that up? While your at it, comment on the improved third party support for the Wii, and the lack of said support for the other systems. Finally, tell us why, in your oh so unbiased opinion, people are choosing the Wii over the other two? Is it price? Perhaps they know the Wii won't have hardware failure? Maybe they know the Wii is different, the other systems are virtually the same machine as their PC? Maybe they are just new to gaming, and Nintendo supports those gamers as well? Hell, it could even be the games. The Wii does have the best game, afterall. Enjoy your multiplats, though, not every system can have a GotY, now can they?

AvidGaMeR444. Your a an anti-Wii fanboy. Do you deny this?

If you, in fact, do deny it, then please, list me 3 non-passive-agressive, positive things that you like about your Wii. Afterall, you claim to have played most Wii games, so surely you have one, unless you were lying.

So tell me, 3 things. Please.

this is system wars not fanboy wars...cant you make these replies in the threads where he stated such things?wolverine4262

Actually, this is relatively more imporant than the next topic about how "The 360 will never make it."

It's actually letting people know who AvidGamer is, and why he is not to be trusted. This is also a reply to multiple posts over several days, all of which share common factors:

A. Trolls

B. Anti-Wii

C. Incorrect

D. Believed as Credible by lesser posters

If you do want to see a real system wars ownage thread, then I suggest you check out my other topic. It's about why and how the Wii owns your system part 2, and if you wanna debate me there, which trust me, you don't, then feel free.

As for AvidGamer, I'm still waiting for his reply.

Don't do threads aim at one poster, it's lame. And I think he owns a Wii. He just wants some attention.m_machine024

Hmm, mods tend to roll with popular opinion. I think I'll just change the title.

Ah, can't do that. I give the next mod permission to lock this topic, which will inevitably lead to some other type of punishment for myself, one of the few truthspeakers on this forum.

*Sigh* Mario winning GOTY has made the sheep too cocky and arrogant. They suddenly believe the Wii is right there with the 360 or PS3 as a proper gamers choice.

It isn't.

Wow. This is one dedicated post. These threads should beallowed.

C'mon mods, don't lock this! Battle! Battle! Battle!

If he says it sucks and you say it's good from what I've seen it falls someplace in the middle, but he is more right about it than you are.Riverwolf007

Good for you. I care what you think, and base my own opinions upon it.

Anyway, miss the point much?

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]this is system wars not fanboy wars...cant you make these replies in the threads where he stated such things?Zenfoldor

This something you write in a pm. If people who know him wanted to know this. Do they have anything better to do with their lives?

Actually, this is relatively more imporant than the next topic about how "The 360 will never make it."

It's actually letting people know who AvidGamer is, and why he is not to be trusted. This is also a reply to multiple posts over several days, all of which share common factors:

A. Trolls

B. Anti-Wii

C. Incorrect

D. Believed as Credible by lesser posters

If you do want to see a real system wars ownage thread, then I suggest you check out my other topic. It's about why and how the Wii owns your system part 2, and if you wanna debate me there, which trust me, you don't, then feel free.

As for AvidGamer, I'm still waiting for his reply.

*Sigh* Mario winning GOTY has made the sheep too cocky and arrogant. They suddenly believe the Wii is right there with the 360 or PS3 as a proper gamers choice.

It isn't.

Hoobinator

LOL "proper."

It amazes me that someone who is a fan of Hotel Dusk can be so clueless when it comes to console gaming.

*Sigh* Mario winning GOTY has made the sheep too cocky and arrogant. They suddenly believe the Wii is right there with the 360 or PS3 as a proper gamers choice.

It isn't.

Hoobinator

I wish, but I have a feeling we're headed for immediate shutdown.

If posters could actually call each other out, that would lead to character development, and depth. Systems Wars casuals couldn't keep up with such complex dialogue.

Either way, this is a great post, if I do say so myself.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]If he says it sucks and you say it's good from what I've seen it falls someplace in the middle, but he is more right about it than you are.Zenfoldor

Good for you. I care what you think, and base my own opinions upon it.

Anyway, miss the point much?

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

*Sigh* Mario winning GOTY has made the sheep too cocky and arrogant. They suddenly believe the Wii is right there with the 360 or PS3 as a proper gamers choice.

It isn't.

Zenfoldor

LOL "proper."

It amazes me that someone who is a fan of Hotel Dusk can be so clueless when it comes to console gaming.

It's because I'm well informed that I don't hold the Wii to the same standards as the other two. ;)

Usual reasons of targeting non-gamers, not enough "proper" games on the system, Nintendo's core ethos is all wrong with the Wii etc etc.

No amount of Mario games will change this, I knew there was going to be a good Mario and Metroid and a new good Zelda. But a few games a hardcore console don't make. At this rate it might catch the 360's stellar games line-up by 2011.

I wish, but I have a feeling we're headed for immediate shutdown.

If posters could actually call each other out, that would lead to character development, and depth. Systems Wars casuals couldn't keep up with such complex dialogue.

Either way, this is a great post, if I do say so myself.

Zenfoldor

I'd make a lot more threads if this stuff was allowed. :P I got a list, folks!

[QUOTE="Zenfoldor"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]If he says it sucks and you say it's good from what I've seen it falls someplace in the middle, but he is more right about it than you are.Riverwolf007

Good for you. I care what you think, and base my own opinions upon it.

Anyway, miss the point much?

That was your first mistake.

As for me posting to make myself look better, heh, why do I need to do that?

As for the "Wii is an ok system," I'll drop the pretext for you. I DO NOT care what your opinion is. It doesn't matter. Generalizing the system as a Chicken Shoot does go a long way to easily lower your own credibility, however. Was that intended, or are you just lucky?

For the record though, on this site, and indeed on gamerankings as well, the Wii has the best game of the year as an exclusive. I guess graphical power didn't mean so much, afterall?

Best selling console, best game, most popular, most third party support, you called it a Chicken Shoot console, see how it all kinda adds up?

[QUOTE="Zenfoldor"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

*Sigh* Mario winning GOTY has made the sheep too cocky and arrogant. They suddenly believe the Wii is right there with the 360 or PS3 as a proper gamers choice.

It isn't.

Hoobinator

LOL "proper."

It amazes me that someone who is a fan of Hotel Dusk can be so clueless when it comes to console gaming.

It's because I'm well informed that I don't hold the Wii to the same standards as the other two. ;)

Usual reasons of targeting non-gamers, not enough "proper" games on the system, Nintendo's core ethos is all wrong with the Wii etc etc.

No amount of Mario games will change this, I knew there was going to be a good Mario and Metroid and a new good Zelda. But a few games a hardcore console don't make. At this rate it might catch the 360's stellar games line-up by 2011.

Sheep are dominant on these forums. Last year sheep teared Gears apart because "other people" gave TP GOTY. We all know Wii is lacking compared to 360, but to the average Nintendo fanboy this doesn't matter. The biggest Nintendo fan on this forum "willy" or whatever his name is hates all PS consoles..and that sums up the entire fanbase from GC era onwards.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="Zenfoldor"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]If he says it sucks and you say it's good from what I've seen it falls someplace in the middle, but he is more right about it than you are.Zenfoldor

Good for you. I care what you think, and base my own opinions upon it.

Anyway, miss the point much?

That was your first mistake.

As for me posting to make myself look better, heh, why do I need to do that?

As for the "Wii is an ok system," I'll drop the pretext for you. I DO NOT care what your opinion is. It doesn't matter. Generalizing the system as a Chicken Shoot does go a long way to easily lower your own credibility, however. Was that intended, or are you just lucky?

For the record though, on this site, and indeed on gamerankings as well, the Wii has the best game of the year as an exclusive. I guess graphical power didn't mean so much, afterall?

Best selling console, best game, most popular, most third party support, you called it a Chicken Shoot console, see how it all kinda adds up?

Chicken Shoot was a free adware game that was ported to and sold on the Wii.

Nice job on being superior to everyone else in the world and looking like a tool by not even being aware of whats out on Teh bestest system evar.

*Sigh* Mario winning GOTY has made the sheep too cocky and arrogant. They suddenly believe the Wii is right there with the 360 or PS3 as a proper gamers choice.

It isn't.

Hoobinator

they have indeed forgotten wii has the weakest lineup out of any current gaming systems

Let's play the bad software game on the Wii. Chicken Shoot does not count because it aparently does not exist.

For a substitution I'll start with

Ninja Breadman

Can anyone else find a worse one?

Sheep are dominant on these forums. Last year sheep teared Gears apart because "other people" gave TP GOTY. We all know Wii is lacking compared to 360, but to the average Nintendo fanboy this doesn't matter. The biggest Nintendo fan on this forum "willy" or whatever his name is hates all PS consoles..and that sums up the entire fanbase from GC era onwards.Kratos_OMEGA

We are far from dominant here. Lemmings are dominant, or at least they were at that time...

...

..HencewhyGearsgotGOTYinthefirstplace *runs*

[QUOTE="Zenfoldor"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

*Sigh* Mario winning GOTY has made the sheep too cocky and arrogant. They suddenly believe the Wii is right there with the 360 or PS3 as a proper gamers choice.

It isn't.

Hoobinator

LOL "proper."

It amazes me that someone who is a fan of Hotel Dusk can be so clueless when it comes to console gaming.

It's because I'm well informed that I don't hold the Wii to the same standards as the other two. ;)

Implying that I'm "Not well informed" because I disagree with your analysis.

Usual reasons of targeting non-gamers, not enough "proper" games on the system, Nintendo's core ethos is all wrong with the Wii etc etc.

...does not a quality argument make. I personally believe elitist gamers, who are actually probably casual themselves are the ones who think that casual gamers should not be allowed into this industry. For the record, most Nintendo games have been by definition, great for everyone. Infact, Nintendo's core ethos is "for everyone," not "for casuals," and they have strictly stuck to that, with hardcore and casuals games alike. You knew that already.

No amount of Mario games will change this, I knew there was going to be a good Mario and Metroid and a new good Zelda. But a few games a hardcore console don't make. At this rate it might catch the 360's stellar games line-up by 2011.

Lets not make predictions, shall we. The Wii is in its first year, the 360 is in its second. The 360 only had one playable game for me, at this point in its lifecycle, which was Gears of War, a multiplat. The Wii has at least 4 solid exclusives that are fantastic. You can't tell if they Wii's 3rd party support will get better or worse, and you certainly can't make broad ranging predictions about it based on the library it has, in the first year coming off the Gamecube.

If the Wii isn't a proper console, when what about the PS3? If you are as well informed as you claim, then surely you know that a systems strength isn't based off graphics or processing power, but rather its library of exclusive games. As of right now, if the Wii isn't a "proper" system, then the PS3 isnt' a system at all.

Is there a flaw in my logic, because I am certainly taking your claims seriously, and I feel I have adequately refuted them, in fact. I don't disrespect posters who actually want to bring intelligent arguments to the table, but your earlier trolls with offhanded mentions that the wii isn't a "proper" console is only flamebait. The fact is, the vast majority of the console buying world disagrees with you to the tune of 800 bucks a pop, off ebay.

Let's play the bad software game on the Wii. Chicken Shoot does not count because it aparently does not exist.

For a substitution I'll start with

Ninja Breadman

Can anyone else find a worse one?

Riverwolf007

Anubis 2, Rig Racer 2? You're welcome.

Thing is, that's all from one sadistic developer, who has tons of Wii games because of the Wii's dev-friendliness and popularity. Ah...'tis a blessing and a curse. No it's not.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

*Sigh* Mario winning GOTY has made the sheep too cocky and arrogant. They suddenly believe the Wii is right there with the 360 or PS3 as a proper gamers choice.

It isn't.

naval

they have indeed forgotten wii has the weakest lineup out of any current gaming systems

Ah, hello Naval.

Crysis lover thread, remember me? I said xplay review was right. Also spore, it's multiplat.

Anyway, in another post, you defined "weakest" as having the least amount of AA-AAA titles. Very professional assumption.

I define weakest based strictly on exclusive titles. Quality over quantity, that sort of thing. Well, the Wii goes from having your "weakest" library, to arguably the strongest, with SMG.

For the record, however, Gamespot has 20 games on the Wii AA-AAA. The PS3 has 21.

Yes, this does in fact include VC titles, however, if the PS3 can include multiplats in its "library" then so can the Wii.

Also, for the record, and since your such a strict Gamespot rule guy:

SMG is better than Crysis, and that's a fact.

Later bro.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

Let's play the bad software game on the Wii. Chicken Shoot does not count because it aparently does not exist.

For a substitution I'll start with

Ninja Breadman

Can anyone else find a worse one?

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Anubis 2, Rig Racer 2? You're welcome.

Thing is, that's all from one sadistic developer, who has tons of Wii games because of the Wii's dev-friendliness and popularity. Ah...'tis a blessing and a curse. No it's not.

Btw, can anyone remember what GBA title was ported to the Wii?

Funny thing is I'll most likely pick up another Wii at some point in the future for the stellar titles that are out on it.

[QUOTE="Zenfoldor"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="Zenfoldor"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]If he says it sucks and you say it's good from what I've seen it falls someplace in the middle, but he is more right about it than you are.Riverwolf007

Good for you. I care what you think, and base my own opinions upon it.

Anyway, miss the point much?

That was your first mistake.

As for me posting to make myself look better, heh, why do I need to do that?

As for the "Wii is an ok system," I'll drop the pretext for you. I DO NOT care what your opinion is. It doesn't matter. Generalizing the system as a Chicken Shoot does go a long way to easily lower your own credibility, however. Was that intended, or are you just lucky?

For the record though, on this site, and indeed on gamerankings as well, the Wii has the best game of the year as an exclusive. I guess graphical power didn't mean so much, afterall?

Best selling console, best game, most popular, most third party support, you called it a Chicken Shoot console, see how it all kinda adds up?

Chicken Shoot was a free adware game that was ported to and sold on the Wii.

Nice job on being superior to everyone else in the world and looking like a tool by not even being aware of whats out on Teh bestest system evar.

I never said Chicken Shoot wasn't a game. I simply said you generalizing the whole system based on one shovelware game is foolish and laugable. It still is.

Your having to reach awefully hard to find points you can actually argue, no matter how irrelivant they are to this conversation.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Zenfoldor"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

*Sigh* Mario winning GOTY has made the sheep too cocky and arrogant. They suddenly believe the Wii is right there with the 360 or PS3 as a proper gamers choice.

It isn't.

Kratos_OMEGA

LOL "proper."

It amazes me that someone who is a fan of Hotel Dusk can be so clueless when it comes to console gaming.

It's because I'm well informed that I don't hold the Wii to the same standards as the other two. ;)

Usual reasons of targeting non-gamers, not enough "proper" games on the system, Nintendo's core ethos is all wrong with the Wii etc etc.

No amount of Mario games will change this, I knew there was going to be a good Mario and Metroid and a new good Zelda. But a few games a hardcore console don't make. At this rate it might catch the 360's stellar games line-up by 2011.

Sheep are dominant on these forums. Last year sheep teared Gears apart because "other people" gave TP GOTY. We all know Wii is lacking compared to 360, but to the average Nintendo fanboy this doesn't matter. The biggest Nintendo fan on this forum "willy" or whatever his name is hates all PS consoles..and that sums up the entire fanbase from GC era onwards.

This is the dumbest and funniest statement i have ever heard in all my time at GS......go and look at the forum page, and look at how many people are in the 360 forum every day as opposed to the Wii forum.

It was mostly Cows tearing Gears apart, and most sheep since the N64 days (apart from the odd 1 or 2) spend more time defending their own consoles that criticising others.

I swear, Lemmings and Hermits are the most dominant fanbots.. The ridiculous number of FPS fanboys is testament to that.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Zenfoldor"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

*Sigh* Mario winning GOTY has made the sheep too cocky and arrogant. They suddenly believe the Wii is right there with the 360 or PS3 as a proper gamers choice.

It isn't.

Kratos_OMEGA

LOL "proper."

It amazes me that someone who is a fan of Hotel Dusk can be so clueless when it comes to console gaming.

It's because I'm well informed that I don't hold the Wii to the same standards as the other two. ;)

Usual reasons of targeting non-gamers, not enough "proper" games on the system, Nintendo's core ethos is all wrong with the Wii etc etc.

No amount of Mario games will change this, I knew there was going to be a good Mario and Metroid and a new good Zelda. But a few games a hardcore console don't make. At this rate it might catch the 360's stellar games line-up by 2011.

Sheep are dominant on these forums. Last year sheep teared Gears apart because "other people" gave TP GOTY. We all know Wii is lacking compared to 360, but to the average Nintendo fanboy this doesn't matter. The biggest Nintendo fan on this forum "willy" or whatever his name is hates all PS consoles..and that sums up the entire fanbase from GC era onwards.

OT: Are you "Reviera_Phantom" by any chance?

The fact is, the vast majority of the console buying world disagrees with you to the tune of 800 bucks a pop, off ebay.

Zenfoldor

'Tis the times plague, when Nintendo leads the blind. ;)

Nintendo wants non-games to win. Why? Because they win. Get it. Their whole push this gen has been luring gamers and non-gamers alike to partake in the seedy and disgusting world of non-games. Games with no depth so no one needs to learn how to play them. When you think you're playing a Wii game, you're actually buying into the hype and propaganda surrounding the product and are in fact wasting your time with a non-game, a non-entity (notable exceptions apply).

Wii Fit proves my point, people who actually think its a game and people who actually think they're doing exercise. It's ******* ridiculous how blind they are. I've got a bridge to sell them over the River Kwai.

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

*Sigh* Mario winning GOTY has made the sheep too cocky and arrogant. They suddenly believe the Wii is right there with the 360 or PS3 as a proper gamers choice.

It isn't.

Zenfoldor

they have indeed forgotten wii has the weakest lineup out of any current gaming systems

Ah, hello Naval.

Crysis lover thread, remember me? I said xplay review was right. Also spore, it's multiplat.

Anyway, in another post, you defined "weakest" as having the least amount of AA-AAA titles. Very professional assumption.

I define weakest based strictly on exclusive titles. Quality over quantity, that sort of thing. Well, the Wii goes from having your "weakest" library, to arguably the strongest, with SMG.

For the record, however, Gamespot has 20 games on the Wii AA-AAA. The PS3 has 21.

Yes, this does in fact include VC titles, however, if the PS3 can include multiplats in its "library" then so can the Wii.

Also, for the record, and since your such a strict Gamespot rule guy:

SMG is better than Crysis, and that's a fact.

Later bro.

how else would you define the weakest system, besides using the number quality games ?

when its just one system vs another why should exclusivity matter ? it is just be a count of number of high quality games you can play on either of the systems.

okay lets say smg is better than crysis but crysis is still a 9.5. counting VC games and even then being beaten by ps3 just shows how weak wii's lineup is. so basically my point is prooved.

if spore pc version is different than others it could very well be exclusive like graw is !

When you think you're playing a Wii game, you're actually buying into the hype and propaganda surrounding the product and are in fact wasting your time with a non-game, a non-entity (notable exceptions apply).

Hoobinator

Stepping into dangerous territory there.

The same ludicrous statement could be made for anything. When you think you're playing a 360 game, you're actually buying into the hype and propoganda surrounding the product and are in fact lining Microsoft's pockets.

When you think you're playing a PS3 game, you're actually buying into the hype and propoganda surrounding the product and are in fact not playing any games.

When you think you're making blueberry pancakes, you're actually buying into the hype and propoganda surrounding the product and are in fact making blueberry waffles.

[QUOTE="Zenfoldor"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

*Sigh* Mario winning GOTY has made the sheep too cocky and arrogant. They suddenly believe the Wii is right there with the 360 or PS3 as a proper gamers choice.

It isn't.

naval

they have indeed forgotten wii has the weakest lineup out of any current gaming systems

Ah, hello Naval.

Crysis lover thread, remember me? I said xplay review was right. Also spore, it's multiplat.

Anyway, in another post, you defined "weakest" as having the least amount of AA-AAA titles. Very professional assumption.

I define weakest based strictly on exclusive titles. Quality over quantity, that sort of thing. Well, the Wii goes from having your "weakest" library, to arguably the strongest, with SMG.

For the record, however, Gamespot has 20 games on the Wii AA-AAA. The PS3 has 21.

Yes, this does in fact include VC titles, however, if the PS3 can include multiplats in its "library" then so can the Wii.

Also, for the record, and since your such a strict Gamespot rule guy:

SMG is better than Crysis, and that's a fact.

Later bro.

how else would you define the weakest system, besides using the number quality games ?

when its just one system vs another why should exclusivity matter ? it is just be a count of number of high quality games you can play on either of the systems.

okay lets say smg is better than crysis but crysis is still a 9.5. counting VC games and even then being beaten by ps3 just shows how weak wii's lineup is. so basically my point is prooved.

if spore pc version is different than others it could very well be exclusive like graw is !

Are you seriously asking me why exclusivity matters?

Also, who are you to say that A-AA-AAA games shouldn't be what a system is judged by, instead of just AA-AAA titles?

Your point is "prooved" by what, your own reasoning and logic. You hermits are a funny breed. You have the concept that "as long as you argue correctly, your never wrong" however, arguing correctly is beyond your comprehension.

graw, lol.

Anyway, I proclaim that you have narrowed down the "way" that you determine the "quality" games on each console with the sole intent finding a way to narrow them down, to make the Wii be in third place(if only barely). If the PS3 had the most exclusive games, then you would be touting exclusivity, and saying the Wii was the weakest console based on that. You have no argument to be "prooved" correct.

However, I do. Crysis still is a 3/5 because it has terrible AI, graphical glitches, and requires a 2000 dollar "system" to run it correctly. The game is a boring copy of farcry that relies souly on the newness of its graphics and physics engine, and I believe it is the most overrate game of 07, which is quite an honor, considering Halo 3 was in the running.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"] When you think you're playing a Wii game, you're actually buying into the hype and propaganda surrounding the product and are in fact wasting your time with a non-game, a non-entity (notable exceptions apply).

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Stepping into dangerous territory there.

The same ludicrous statement could be made for anything. When you think you're playing a 360 game, you're actually buying into the hype and propoganda surrounding the product and are in fact lining Microsoft's pockets.

When you think you're playing a PS3 game, you're actually buying into the hype and propoganda surrounding the product and are in fact not playing any games.

When you think you're making blueberry pancakes, you're actually buying into the hype and propoganda surrounding the product and are in fact making blueberry waffles.

Not really the same thing.:? Of course we're lining MS, Sony's, Nintendo's pockets that's a FACT.

But for clarification those games Nintendo wants you to believe are games are in fact disgusting non-games. But the masses are so uninformed about the whole thing that they believe that this is what gaming is all about. That waggling a wand is the pinnacle of technology or adds layers of depth to an otherwise mind numbing experience. You believe it because it's the "in" thing, because you've been told so and because you know no better.

[QUOTE="Zenfoldor"]

The fact is, the vast majority of the console buying world disagrees with you to the tune of 800 bucks a pop, off ebay.

Hoobinator

'Tis the times plague, when Nintendo leads the blind. ;)

Nintendo wants non-games to win. Why? Because they win. Get it. Their whole push this gen has been luring gamers and non-gamers alike to partake in the seedy and disgusting world of non-games. Games with no depth so no one needs to learn how to play them. When you think you're playing a Wii game, you're actually buying into the hype and propaganda surrounding the product and are in fact wasting your time with a non-game, a non-entity (notable exceptions apply).

Wii Fit proves my point, people who actually think its a game and people who actually think they're doing exercise. It's ******* ridiculous how blind they are. I've got a bridge to sell them over the River Kwai.

No it doesn't. We are quite aware of the general foolish concept that the Wii was ruining the gaming indusrty. If I had been aware that you were of that stance the whole time, I wouldn't have wasted my time taking you seriously.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"] When you think you're playing a Wii game, you're actually buying into the hype and propaganda surrounding the product and are in fact wasting your time with a non-game, a non-entity (notable exceptions apply).

Hoobinator

Stepping into dangerous territory there.

The same ludicrous statement could be made for anything. When you think you're playing a 360 game, you're actually buying into the hype and propoganda surrounding the product and are in fact lining Microsoft's pockets.

When you think you're playing a PS3 game, you're actually buying into the hype and propoganda surrounding the product and are in fact not playing any games.

When you think you're making blueberry pancakes, you're actually buying into the hype and propoganda surrounding the product and are in fact making blueberry waffles.

Not really the same thing.:? Of course we're lining MS, Sony's, Nintendo's pockets that's a FACT.

But for clarification those games Nintendo wants you to believe are games are in fact disgusting non-games. But the masses are so uninformed about the whole thing that they believe that this is what gaming is all about. That waggling a wand is the pinnacle of technology or adds layers of depth to an otherwise mind numbing experience. You believe it because it's the "in" thing, because you've been told so and because you know no better.

Someone is disgusting me alright. Your posts are so out there, that they don't even require a valid response to be proven incorrect.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"][QUOTE="Zenfoldor"]

The fact is, the vast majority of the console buying world disagrees with you to the tune of 800 bucks a pop, off ebay.

Zenfoldor

'Tis the times plague, when Nintendo leads the blind. ;)

Nintendo wants non-games to win. Why? Because they win. Get it. Their whole push this gen has been luring gamers and non-gamers alike to partake in the seedy and disgusting world of non-games. Games with no depth so no one needs to learn how to play them. When you think you're playing a Wii game, you're actually buying into the hype and propaganda surrounding the product and are in fact wasting your time with a non-game, a non-entity (notable exceptions apply).

Wii Fit proves my point, people who actually think its a game and people who actually think they're doing exercise. It's ******* ridiculous how blind they are. I've got a bridge to sell them over the River Kwai.

No it doesn't. We are quite aware of the general foolish concept that the Wii was ruining the gaming indusrty. If I had been aware that you were of that stance the whole time, I wouldn't have wasted my time taking you seriously.

I never said the Wii is ruining the industry, it might have its uses as a gateway console.

Are you seriously asking me why exclusivity matters?

Also, who are you to say that A-AA-AAA games shouldn't be what a system is judged by, instead of just AA-AAA titles?

Your point is "prooved" by what, your own reasoning and logic. You hermits are a funny breed. You have the concept that "as long as you argue correctly, your never wrong" however, arguing correctly is beyond your comprehension.

graw, lol.

Anyway, I proclaim that you have narrowed down the "way" that you determine the "quality" games on each console with the sole intent finding a way to narrow them down, to make the Wii be in third place(if only barely). If the PS3 had the most exclusive games, then you would be touting exclusivity, and saying the Wii was the weakest console based on that. You have no argument to be "prooved" correct.

However, I do. Crysis still is a 3/5 because it has terrible AI, graphical glitches, and requires a 2000 dollar "system" to run it correctly. The game is a boring copy of farcry that relies souly on the newness of its graphics and physics engine, and I believe it is the most overrate game of 07, which is quite an honor, considering Halo 3 was in the running.

Zenfoldor

when its one system vs another why should exclusivity matter ?

i ignore A games simply because number of AA-AAA games for good systems are more than what most people play in a year. so AAA-AA is a good indicator.

once again, you couldn't proove how was i wrong when i said wii has weakest quality lineup ?

once again, as we are going by GS only here, crysis is 9.5 and excellent, deal with it !

edit : why would i want ps3 to beat wii when wii is the only console i am considering of buying ?

Not really the same thing.:? Of course we're lining MS, Sony's, Nintendo's pockets that's a FACT.

But for clarification those games Nintendo wants you to believe are games are in fact disgusting non-games. But the masses are so uninformed about the whole thing that they believe that this is what gaming is all about. That waggling a wand is the pinnacle of technology or adds layers of depth to an otherwise mind numbing experience. You believe it because it's the "in" thing, because you've been told so and because you know no better.

Hoobinator

You may not think it's the same thing, that your accusation holds more weight, but really it is the same thing. The masses, as seen by us as the brainless, soulless population of wasted space,are the deciding factor for the console wars every gen. Regardless of what they believe, they're tricked and controlled like a puppet. Or so we believe. And every gen must have a winner, so there must be someone controlling the masses' opinion, and everyone must be trying. So where does the illusion end?

Of course, that's really pessimistic.

when its one system vs another why should exclusivity matter ?

naval

What I want to know is when its the Wii versus a system (PS3 or 360), multiplats don't matter. Or why are multiplatform games always thrown out the window in arguments?

Did you use multiplatform games, Zenfolder? If you did, awesome! That's how all arguments should be dealth with, unless its like PS3 exclusives versus 360 exclusives.

Otherwise, I want a Wii, its a good system to accompany my PS3. Other than SMG, SSBB, and a new Zelda, I don't really think I would want one. Just not my taste even though I loved the Gamecube.

[QUOTE="Zenfoldor"]

Are you seriously asking me why exclusivity matters?

Also, who are you to say that A-AA-AAA games shouldn't be what a system is judged by, instead of just AA-AAA titles?

Your point is "prooved" by what, your own reasoning and logic. You hermits are a funny breed. You have the concept that "as long as you argue correctly, your never wrong" however, arguing correctly is beyond your comprehension.

graw, lol.

Anyway, I proclaim that you have narrowed down the "way" that you determine the "quality" games on each console with the sole intent finding a way to narrow them down, to make the Wii be in third place(if only barely). If the PS3 had the most exclusive games, then you would be touting exclusivity, and saying the Wii was the weakest console based on that. You have no argument to be "prooved" correct.

However, I do. Crysis still is a 3/5 because it has terrible AI, graphical glitches, and requires a 2000 dollar "system" to run it correctly. The game is a boring copy of farcry that relies souly on the newness of its graphics and physics engine, and I believe it is the most overrate game of 07, which is quite an honor, considering Halo 3 was in the running.

naval

when its one system vs another why should exclusivity matter ?

i ignore A games simply because number of AA-AAA games for good systems are more than what most people play in a year. so AAA-AA is a good indicator.

once again, you couldn't proove how was i wrong when i said wii has weakest quality lineup ?

once again, as we are going by GS only here, crysis is 9.5 and excellent, deal with it !

edit : why would i want ps3 to beat wii when wii is the only console i am considering of buying ?

Exclusivity matters because:

A. You can't play it if you don't own said system.

B. Exclusive gamers, therefore, are a driving force in console choice.

C. Multiplats are ported to multiple systems. That's what multiplat means. You don't have to have that system to play that game.

D. Exclusive games directly raise the quality of they system they are exclusive too, and ONLY that system. Increasing the quality of the library of its chosen system, and no others.

E. Multiplat games can be played on multiple systems, therefore, the userbase for said game can choose from a range of systems to play said game on. However, exclusive games concentrate demand for that game onto one system, therefore sales of that system benefit more, than if the game wasn't multiplat.

Basically, multiplat games increase the quality, library, userbase, and sales of a system as a whole, which in turn increased third party support, and future itterations of that very exclusive, as well as others.

I don't want to "prove" how wrong you are about anything. In actuality, you are right about the fact that the PS3 has one more AA-AAA title than the Wii does. However, what if I just wanted to go by AAA titles, or AAAe titles. You have to understand that "having the weakest library" and having the least "AA-AAA titles on gamespot" are two entirely different things, alltogether. If you want to say they are the same, then that's your opinion, however, it certainly isn't a fact.

Reviews are only opinions. Who is to say a game that gets a 7.9 is discounted and a game that gets an 8.0, is added to the overall game list. Your cutoff point is made up by you, and it just happens to be the only imaginable cutoff point where the Wii is losing the the PS3 on gamespot, 20 to 21? What a coincidence? You've never played a game with a score lower than a 7.9 and enjoyed it? For instance, in your list, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles isn't even counted, though many people adore the game.

What if the next Wii game gets a 8.0 and is Raving Rabbids 3, or something. Then the Wii will be tied with the PS3 for AA-AAA games on gamespot. Will that magically turn the Wii into the powerhouse system selling greatest console on the market? Does the 360 having an extra year on the market mean nothing?

I didn't want to get into this, but your argument just can't hold water, nor can it ever, if your argument is "The Wii has the weakest library and that is a fact" because the nature of the word "weakest" implies opinion.

I'm surprised the TC continues to post on these forums after repeatedly getting owned soo hard, just like the hammer is once again being dropped on him.

Seriously dude, your a Nintendo Fanboy. You couldn't compliment another game from another system, or even acknowledge that anytihng on the PS3 or 360 are worth something; it would kill you.

I wonder if anyone here even takes you seriously, after you made that stupid "Hardcore Gamer" thread, in which you said people who play stuff like Super Mario Galaxy and Halo 3 are only casual gamers that know nothing about the business. Or would you like me to link you the thread, all 10+ pages of you getting ripped apart.

As for your thread, try thinking objectively.

• Not everyone thinks the same way you do.
• Not everyone likes the same things you do.
• There are people in this world that will disagree with your "opinions".

Was this thread necessary? Now that I think about it, my post isn't either...

Congrats to the Wii for getting GOTY, I love SMG, but I still don't think it is a hardcore system at all.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]Not really the same thing.:? Of course we're lining MS, Sony's, Nintendo's pockets that's a FACT.

But for clarification those games Nintendo wants you to believe are games are in fact disgusting non-games. But the masses are so uninformed about the whole thing that they believe that this is what gaming is all about. That waggling a wand is the pinnacle of technology or adds layers of depth to an otherwise mind numbing experience. You believe it because it's the "in" thing, because you've been told so and because you know no better.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

You may not think it's the same thing, that your accusation holds more weight, but really it is the same thing. The masses, as seen by us as the brainless, soulless population of wasted space,are the deciding factor for the console wars every gen. Regardless of what they believe, they're tricked and controlled like a puppet. Or so we believe. And every gen must have a winner, so there must be someone controlling the masses' opinion, and everyone must be trying. So where does the illusion end?

Of course, that's really pessimistic.

We have zero control over the console wars.

I have stated for over a year now that the Wii will eventually outsell the 360 and PS3 combined and I have yet to see any evidence that it's sales are going to dry up anytime soon.

I'm glad Nintendo is back in the race and that there is an alternative to the 360 and PS3. Ultimately I feel that bringing more people into the fold outweighs any negatives that the Wii brings.

For the record, however, Gamespot has 20 games on the Wii AA-AAA. The PS3 has 21.

Zenfoldor

Its actually 18 Wii to 37 PS3

Its all here

Official Current Gen game list