I am pretty sure there is also a poll there comparing the quality of Magic the Gathering vs. new Transformers movie.There is a poll in the HD-DVD section at avsforum.com asking if they are still getting a Elite 360 even tho it does not output uncompressed/lossless audio. 78% of the voters are no longer getting the elite because it doesn't output lossless/uncompressed audio.
I started the poll at avsforum, and im really upset about this! WTF is the point of half-assed HDMI if can only do half it's job? I hope Sony takes advantage of this and with the right marketing, this could be a blow to the Xbox 360.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=827835
m3Boarder32
avsforum.com members are upset about Elite 360 not outputting lossless audio
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what is lossless audio?? skyvader
It's audio...that loses nothing...Sorry, I couldn't help it.
Most digital audio is compressed to save space, which is why most music is in .mp3 or .wma format on computers, instead of .wav files. To make the files smaller, most are about 168-192 Kbps, or Kilo bits per second. What that means is there's that many bits dedicated to that one second of audio. Most compressed sound also cuts out extremely high or extremely low frequency sound that the human ear dosen't pick up well.
The problem with doing this is pretty simple, you're losing quality to save storage space. You can easily notice this with low-quality sound like what's found on many videos online. Even though the compression dosen't make a huge difference, true audiophiles will notice, and don't like hearing lower quality sound.
[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]I am pretty sure there is also a poll there comparing the quality of Magic the Gathering vs. new Transformers movie.There is a poll in the HD-DVD section at avsforum.com asking if they are still getting a Elite 360 even tho it does not output uncompressed/lossless audio. 78% of the voters are no longer getting the elite because it doesn't output lossless/uncompressed audio.
I started the poll at avsforum, and im really upset about this! WTF is the point of half-assed HDMI if can only do half it's job? I hope Sony takes advantage of this and with the right marketing, this could be a blow to the Xbox 360.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=827835
Riverwolf007
No :|
Even if they did this, they would have to make the console itself extremely quiet, for it to be excepted in the audiophile world.
We're talking to the same level Pro music Computers are modded to be almost silent.
Plus why an Audio/videophile would use something like a 360/PS3 for this is beyond me. The components that Audio/videophiles use isn't just high tech, every aspect of the insides have been designed with the highest materials, the least interference and most solid construction to reduce vibration interference to a minimum. Not even the PS3 could live up to those standards.
Both are entry level players in that market. A proper player for audio or video would destroy the X360 or PS3.
Even using it for space saving reasons would be too much of a compromise.
Darth_DuMas
My thoughts exactly.
A "true" audiophile wouldn't be using an x360 for music.
[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]Even if they did this, they would have to make the console itself extremely quiet, for it to be excepted in the audiophile world.
We're talking to the same level Pro music Computers are modded to be almost silent.
Plus why an Audio/videophile would use something like a 360/PS3 for this is beyond me. The components that Audio/videophiles use isn't just high tech, every aspect of the insides have been designed with the highest materials, the least interference and most solid construction to reduce vibration interference to a minimum. Not even the PS3 could live up to those standards.
Both are entry level players in that market. A proper player for audio or video would destroy the X360 or PS3.
Even using it for space saving reasons would be too much of a compromise.
LosDaddie
My thoughts exactly.
A "true" audiophile wouldn't be using an x360 for music.
You guys don't know what your talking about...There is absolutely nothing wrong with the PS3 as a BD player...Ok it doesn't do 1080p24, but only one BD player does...And it cost over $1000 dollars...Ok it doesn't do DTS-HD Master Audio, but no BD player currently does, and the PS3 probabley will with a firmware update...
Xbox 360 as a HD-DVD player on the other hand is getting on my nerves, and unfortunatley, i have no room for a standalone HD-DVD player in my AVRack, a PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, Speaker, Receiver, and Satellite box will do that...
[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]Even if they did this, they would have to make the console itself extremely quiet, for it to be excepted in the audiophile world.
We're talking to the same level Pro music Computers are modded to be almost silent.
Plus why an Audio/videophile would use something like a 360/PS3 for this is beyond me. The components that Audio/videophiles use isn't just high tech, every aspect of the insides have been designed with the highest materials, the least interference and most solid construction to reduce vibration interference to a minimum. Not even the PS3 could live up to those standards.
Both are entry level players in that market. A proper player for audio or video would destroy the X360 or PS3.
Even using it for space saving reasons would be too much of a compromise.
LosDaddie
My thoughts exactly.
A "true" audiophile wouldn't be using an x360 for music.
Guess what? I want those features for games.[QUOTE="rexoverbey"][QUOTE="jdang307"][QUOTE="rexoverbey"]DVD doesn't even support Lossless Audio. Plus no game on PC,PS3, or 360 have that anyway. BD is using uncompressed PCM audio, though with a lower sampling rate... so it's not what you would call true loseless. 3-4 titles with Dolby TrueHD tracks. FYI - This is a true loseless codec with bitrates up to 8mb/sec. This COULD come to Blu-ray, though it's virtually impossible on a 25gig disc with MPEG2 video. The Blu-ray camp has some serious catching up to do on the software side of things. As thedigitalbits.com's Bill Hunt says, "HD DVD is making Blu-ray look pretty silly right now."jdang307What are you talking about? PCM uncompressed audio is the purest stream you can get. You call uncompressed PCM audio "not what you would call true lossless." You do understand that when you call a codec "lossless" it means lossless compared to uncompressed PCM audio, don't you, which isn't compressed. And your remarks regarding BD on the software side is out of date. Go to highdefdigest BD camp has been encoding their disks using VC-1 the same codec as HD DVD has been using. Blu-ray is making HD DVD look silly because it has caught up to and passed total sales since inception even though they've been out many months less. Uncompressed PCM is not true lossless because it is converted by choosing a discrete value near the analog signal for each sample. Basically it is decoded which is not what is classified as the true original signal even when it is not compressed. VC-1 has nothing to due with audio it is a video codec. Plus the Dolby True HD counterparts would be much better since the PCM streams used on the PS3 are only 16-bit 44khz.You know what I mean when I say PCM is lossless, it is lossless re: digital. PCM is essentially the digital master. Not talking about analog here. Regarding VC-1 I was addressing the prior poster's comment about Blu-ray needing to catch up because they were still using Mpeg-2 (which btw can achieve very good PQ) and having sub-par Picture Quality. Interesting regarding the PS3 only being 16-bit 44khz, I was not aware of that, and yes some PCM have different bit rate (24 bit).
The PS3 is not only capable of streaming 16bit audio...Every Fox movie is 24 bit, but it's DTS-HD Master Audio and no Bluray player can currently decode DTS-HD MA...
But there are still movies with 24 bit uncompressed LPCM (not TrueHD or DTS-HD MA), Pearl Harbor, Chicago, Dinasour, Enemy of the State, Ladder 49, The Prestige, & The Wild .
Nine Inch Nails is 24bit TrueHD, and PS3 does decode TrueHD.
Anyway, PS3 plays those movies exactly as they are meant to be played, with 24bit uncompressed audio
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