AWESOME CryENGINE 3 features.!

its horrible people actually still use those :shock: im not sure how u can put up with it the bottleneck must be enormous!!!johnny27

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="obamanian"]I have a PS3, its games like Uncharted, KZ2, LBP etc hjave the absolutly tiniest, smallest worlds and level sizes possible, i doubt you can make games with smaller levelsthan these titles, it is physically impossibleWhat does that have to do with Crysis, it is the exact opposite, only 360 with the vast worlds like Alan Wake, KUF2, Fable 2, Banjo 3, Two Worlds Temptation, Divinity 2, Venetica etc have a promise for vast worlds on consoles imoAlso the PDF here clearly says Cryengine 3 is all about huge infinite worlds with low ram systems, i would read it first, your post is meaningless to meobamanian

Hot-Update for all Platforms

Changes can be made to original art asset sources (using standard art tools) for CryENGINE® 3 Sandbox™ on PC, then CryENGINE® 3 immediately and automatically converts, compresses and optimizes the content, then updates the output to all supported platforms. Developers can instantly see the effect of lighting, material and modeling changes within moments on any supported platform. Cross-platform development has never been so easy!

This is one of my favourite features, it is cross platform development friendly while forcing developers to put their highest quality assets on the PC version. Every other platform is a a re-optimized version of the assets in the PC version, not console optimized assets cut and paste onto PC when it can do so much more.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Hot-Update for all Platforms

Changes can be made to original art asset sources (using standard art tools) for CryENGINE® 3 Sandbox™ on PC, then CryENGINE® 3 immediately and automatically converts, compresses and optimizes the content, then updates the output to all supported platforms. Developers can instantly see the effect of lighting, material and modeling changes within moments on any supported platform. Cross-platform development has never been so easy!

This is one of my favourite features, it is cross platform development friendly while forcing developers to put their highest quality assets on the PC version. Every other platform is a a re-optimized version of the assets in the PC version, not console optimized assets cut and paste onto PC when it can do so much more.

II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

I have a PS3, its games like Uncharted, KZ2, LBP etc hjave the absolutly tiniest, smallest worlds and level sizes possible, i doubt you can make games with smaller levelsthan these titles, it is physically impossible

What does that have to do with Crysis, it is the exact opposite, only 360 with the vast worlds like Alan Wake, KUF2, Fable 2, Banjo 3, Two Worlds Temptation, Divinity 2, Venetica etc have a promise for vast worlds on consoles imo

Also the PDF here clearly says Cryengine 3 is all about huge infinite worlds with low ram systems, i would read it first, your post is meaningless to me

obamanian

Alan Wake is multiplat, Fable 2's enviroments were tiny. You really dont have any idea how games are programmed do you?

Alan Wake is on 360 too, so what do you mean "is multiplat" ???? That is NOT on 360 ?

As for Fable 2 "tiny" world, sure thing, 100x bigger than most games is now "tiny" ... somehow ...

[QUOTE="arto1223"]

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

Sorry, the article proves you wrong 100%, seems after all it is how i though it would be

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CryENGINE®3

Realistic Infinite Worlds

CryENGINE®2 introduced incredibly interactive photo-realistic worlds, with huge natural environments that responded to player input and game events as if in the real world. From naturally frozen nature to fully destructible vegetation and buildings, players saw the game world as near real for the first time.

CryENGINE®3 continues with this benchmark level of interactive realism in worlds limited in size only by the development budget; thanks to intelligent streaming of game data.

Streaming

Game levels rarely fit into memory of most hardware platforms, so streaming content is often required.

With the CryENGINE®3 scalable streaming solution, data is clustered for fast access, platform-specific features are utilized and data content is prepared and compressed for optimal streaming.

CryENGINE®3 utilizes multiple CPUs and schedules access based on dynamic priorities, to deliver an efficient and scalable multiplatform streaming solution.

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Now, do you suggest i should not believe the same PDF you based your arguments on ? I read rather clearly that games based on Cryengine 3 will have infinite worlds (read 1000x bigger than Crysis) on consoles, with the exact same level of interactivity

That is the article words, not mine

obamanian

I simply am stunned. I just don't know what I can type in these forums to show you how ignorant you are. Yes, CryEngine 3 will be a cool thing for consoles including the next gen ones that will be comming out, but Crysis, the way it is played on current PCs, will never be available to current consoles.

Well, not with Cryengine 2, but clearly Cryengine 3 can do infinite worlds (that is vastly bigger than Cysis), on consoles

The PDF says so,unless you mean that Crytek is lying

I just love how you continue to say that term "infinite worlds". I could make a game that takes place on earch and you could walk from one point to antwhere and have no load times, but certain things would need to be cut. Remember that PC gamers playing Crysis on PCs are playing it at resolutions like 1900x1200 with settings on very high and still getting more than 30 fps. CE3 on consoles will probably run at 720p and I believe that the demo at GDC was running at only 25 FPS. Once again, be happy that you (a 360 fanboy) gets access to a new engine for consoles, but don't make the mistake of thinking that it is equal to or better than its PC counterpart. If you want the best gaming experience, then built a PC and be happy.

one thing crysis fails at, they made a big deal about their water and lol when objects get thrown into the ocean the waves dont push the box you threw in using box as example wave doesnt push it towards the shore.LOLDFRTGERGDMIK

Man... you're right. That right there is such a huge hit to Crysis. They should just close their studios right now if they can't even get that right...Please...

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"][QUOTE="obamanian"]

I did not find that in the Crytek PDF, which page is it on ?

obamanian

Ah, it is in the ... article

Sorry, i want OFFICIAL stuff, not some random guy posts

The PDF is the only official thing, suggesting bigger than Crysis worlds on consoles, there is nothing really to discuss except the ranting of some blog poster

Want an official source? That quote came from here: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/crysis/news.html?sid=6190150&mode=all

When asked if this meant that the rumours of Crysis coming to consoles were correct, Yerli simply stated that the port would be "impossible," saying that the game would have to be "largely changed to bring it to Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3," and that Crytek's "internal focus is not linked to bring Crysis to consoles."

As for Fable 2 "tiny" world, sure thing, 100x bigger than most games is now "tiny" ... somehow ...obamanian

One can create a corridor shooter whose thousand km corridor is divided into kilometer long sections and it'd be a "bigger world" than Fable 2. ;)

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"] its in the article that the guy posted earlier which u said wasn't real.......:|dgsag

Ah, it is in the ... article

Sorry, i want OFFICIAL stuff, not some random guy posts

The PDF is the only official thing, suggesting bigger than Crysis worlds on consoles, there is nothing really to discuss except the ranting of some blog poster

Want an official source? That quote came from here: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/crysis/news.html?sid=6190150&mode=all

When asked if this meant that the rumours of Crysis coming to consoles were correct, Yerli simply stated that the port would be "impossible," saying that the game would have to be "largely changed to bring it to Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3," and that Crytek's "internal focus is not linked to bring Crysis to consoles."

[QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

Ah, it is in the ... article

Sorry, i want OFFICIAL stuff, not some random guy posts

The PDF is the only official thing, suggesting bigger than Crysis worlds on consoles, there is nothing really to discuss except the ranting of some blog poster

killa4lyfe

Want an official source? That quote came from here: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/crysis/news.html?sid=6190150&mode=all

When asked if this meant that the rumours of Crysis coming to consoles were correct, Yerli simply stated that the port would be "impossible," saying that the game would have to be "largely changed to bring it to Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3," and that Crytek's "internal focus is not linked to bring Crysis to consoles."

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"] its in the article that the guy posted earlier which u said wasn't real.......:|dgsag

Ah, it is in the ... article

Sorry, i want OFFICIAL stuff, not some random guy posts

The PDF is the only official thing, suggesting bigger than Crysis worlds on consoles, there is nothing really to discuss except the ranting of some blog poster

Want an official source? That quote came from here: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/crysis/news.html?sid=6190150&mode=all

When asked if this meant that the rumours of Crysis coming to consoles were correct, Yerli simply stated that the port would be "impossible," saying that the game would have to be "largely changed to bring it to Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3," and that Crytek's "internal focus is not linked to bring Crysis to consoles."

ownage approved

OK, now how much of the map is exploreable? I have fable2 and it was extrememly linear. Almost herding you from one area to the next. What I meant by "Alan Wake is multiplat" is just that. I never said to wasnt on 360.clyde46

Sorry, but places like Oakfield were wide open to explore, so would you describe Oblivion as small, just because in towns you could only travel through narrow streets ?

The scale is defined by the biggest place, not the smallest you can find in a game

Alan Wake is also totally open world, even more than Fable 2, both have some huge worlds anyway, play Fable 2 first, then you will see

[QUOTE="clyde46"]OK, now how much of the map is exploreable? I have fable2 and it was extrememly linear. Almost herding you from one area to the next. What I meant by "Alan Wake is multiplat" is just that. I never said to wasnt on 360.obamanian

Sorry, but places like Oakfield were wide open to explore, so would you describe Oblivion as small, just because in towns you could only travel through narrow streets ?

The scale is defined by the biggest place, not the smallest you can find in a game

Alan Wake is also totally open world, even more than Fable 2, both have some huge worlds anyway, play Fable 2 first, then you will see

[QUOTE="clyde46"]OK, now how much of the map is exploreable? I have fable2 and it was extrememly linear. Almost herding you from one area to the next. What I meant by "Alan Wake is multiplat" is just that. I never said to wasnt on 360.obamanian

Sorry, but places like Oakfield were wide open to explore, so would you describe Oblivion as small, just because in towns you could only travel through narrow streets ?

The scale is defined by the biggest place, not the smallest you can find in a game

Alan Wake is also totally open world, even more than Fable 2, both have some huge worlds anyway, play Fable 2 first, then you will see

Amazing, so much for Crysis not running on 360 !!!!!!

Just needed the optimization

Theb est news is that now that they are going console too, their next engine will be console readsy from day one, thus xbox 720 will run Crysis 2 like butter

obamanian

Considering how it looks like cryengine 1.5, have fun playing crysis on low at 800*600 native, without shadows.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]OK, now how much of the map is exploreable? I have fable2 and it was extrememly linear. Almost herding you from one area to the next. What I meant by "Alan Wake is multiplat" is just that. I never said to wasnt on 360.obamanian

Sorry, but places like Oakfield were wide open to explore, so would you describe Oblivion as small, just because in towns you could only travel through narrow streets ?

The scale is defined by the biggest place, not the smallest you can find in a game

Alan Wake is also totally open world, even more than Fable 2, both have some huge worlds anyway, play Fable 2 first, then you will see

The thing is crysis is open world, no loading zones or anything traveling the island. The fable2 zones were if anything as small if not smaller than some of the KOTOR zones, a game made last gen. Fable 2 is definitely not open world in the sense that every zone has to be broken up and instanced.

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

Alan Wake is multiplat, Fable 2's enviroments were tiny. You really dont have any idea how games are programmed do you?

LOLDFRTGERGDMIK

Alan Wake is on 360 too, so what do you mean "is multiplat" ???? That is NOT on 360 ?

As for Fable 2 "tiny" world, sure thing, 100x bigger than most games is now "tiny" ... somehow ...

I'm glad I'm not the onlyone to think that.

one thing crysis fails at, they made a big deal about their water and lol when objects get thrown into the ocean the waves dont push the box you threw in using box as example wave doesnt push it towards the shore.LOLDFRTGERGDMIK

[QUOTE="LOLDFRTGERGDMIK"][QUOTE="obamanian"]

Alan Wake is on 360 too, so what do you mean "is multiplat" ???? That is NOT on 360 ?

As for Fable 2 "tiny" world, sure thing, 100x bigger than most games is now "tiny" ... somehow ...

shakmaster13

I'm glad I'm not the onlyone to think that.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

[QUOTE="LOLDFRTGERGDMIK"] fable 2 looks like a joke dgsag

I'm glad I'm not the onlyone to think that.

Meh, from what i've seen, Obamanian thinks games with large scale only come on 360. Even though his games of large scale, are in fact fairly linear, like Fable II for example.

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

That is because it is based on Cryengine 2, which is only usuable in huge ram hardware

Cryengine 3 is made with consoles in mind, so will be based on the same principles that make games like Alan Wake, Fallout 3, Far Cry 2 etc on consoles, without 4 GB ram obviously

Again, Cryengine 3 is NOT the same as Cryengine 2, well obviously

obamanian

Yes, I undertsnad that. But you can only optimize SO much. You can't ever optimize Crysis to work on the N64. It's not physically possible. My point is that the levels are filled to the brim with dense physical objects that react realisticly to the player. And the levels are huge. You need good RAM and a lot of it to store these hundreds of objects. You can't really optimize that. You either have to A) dumb down the size of the levels or B) reduce the quality of the objects.

Actually you can optimize exactly that, why load all that stuff in ram, when you can stream it ?

By your logic, Fallout 3 on consoles should have the size of a single room

BTW i never said that consoles will run something like Crysis in ultra high, just medium to high, due to all the limitations, not just ram

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

[QUOTE="LOLDFRTGERGDMIK"] fable 2 looks like a joke dgsag

I'm glad I'm not the onlyone to think that.

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

I'm glad I'm not the onlyone to think that.

-Traveller-

Meh, from what i've seen, Obamanian thinks games with large scale only come on 360. Even though his games of large scale, are in fact fairly linear, like Fable II for example.

IMO, Obamanian really is the biggest 360 fanboy. Again, just be glad that you guys get an engine that comes even just a little close to what we PC gamers have been experiencing since 2007. Just think what PC games would look like right now if it were like back in the good ole days of PC gaming (Deus Ex, Sytem Shock 2, Half Life, and others). Obamanian... you can't beat the PC... just face it.

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

[QUOTE="dgsag"] Obamanian is pretty much the only one who DOESN'T think that. Fable 2 isn't impressive either. I've seen footage of the game, and the levels offer a lot of natural "barriers" that you can't get past and give the illusion of levels larger than they really are when they're just glorified corridors.arto1223

Meh, from what i've seen, Obamanian thinks games with large scale only come on 360. Even though his games of large scale, are in fact fairly linear, like Fable II for example.

IMO, Obamanian really is the biggest 360 fanboy. Again, just be glad that you guys get an engine that comes even just a little close to what we PC gamers have been experiencing since 2007. Just think what PC games would look like right now if it were like back in the good ole days of PC gaming (Deus Ex, Sytem Shock 2, Half Life, and others). Obamanian... you can't beat the PC... just face it.

Yup, my PC is great and is my primary system. I needed a new one last year so I built another for fun. It's infinitely better IMO.

f.e.a.r 2 engine jupiter ex>>>>cryengine 3 and killzone2 engine. deferred renderer's are trash, lol the clouds dont even move on killzone2 or crysis, they do on fear2. on crysis the clouds are volumetric/3d if you run it on very high but the clouds dont move.LOLDFRTGERGDMIK

[QUOTE="LOLDFRTGERGDMIK"]f.e.a.r 2 engine jupiter ex>>>>cryengine 3 and killzone2 engine. deferred renderer's are trash, lol the clouds dont even move on killzone2 or crysis, they do on fear2. on crysis the clouds are volumetric/3d if you run it on very high but the clouds dont move.organic_machine

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="LOLDFRTGERGDMIK"]f.e.a.r 2 engine jupiter ex>>>>cryengine 3 and killzone2 engine. deferred renderer's are trash, lol the clouds dont even move on killzone2 or crysis, they do on fear2. on crysis the clouds are volumetric/3d if you run it on very high but the clouds dont move.dgsag

Cry Engine 3 looks good. I'm hoping they use it for Timesplitters 4 seeing as Crytek acquired Free Radical.

As for Crysis on Consoles, as people seem to do nothing but focus on this, it's possible with Cry Engine 3, but no probable. Ram is an issue and while Console ram is used differently than pc ram (Console ram only has the videogame to deal with whereas the pc has much more to deal with ram based), I wouldn't hold my breath. It's not very likely Crysis ends up on Consoles unless they make a new Crysis. A port though, highly doubt it. Crysis 2 though (or whatever it's going to be called, if even a Crysis game) will be on Consoles and pc, guaranteed.

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="LOLDFRTGERGDMIK"]f.e.a.r 2 engine jupiter ex>>>>cryengine 3 and killzone2 engine. deferred renderer's are trash, lol the clouds dont even move on killzone2 or crysis, they do on fear2. on crysis the clouds are volumetric/3d if you run it on very high but the clouds dont move.dgsag

He just keeps on coming back and he's never cautious: within 2 or 3 posts, you'll know it's him. I find it hilarious. He's the guy in my sig 16 accounts ago! :lol:

The fact is, if Crysis were to ever be released on the current generation of consoles, it would be a much more bland and drab appearence and experience.

Crysis sometimes struggles even on my PC... the game is too far ahead of its time and I don't believe that consoles will be anywhere near capable of taking the full experience and graphical prowess of the game with it.

Cry Engine 3 looks good. I'm hoping they use it for Timesplitters 4 seeing as Crytek acquired Free Radical.

Puckhog04

Me too. There is still a chane TS4 might have been canned, however. Seeing as how they are Crytek UK now, they are a part of Crytek, and Crytek may not want TS4. We really haven't heard any word about it from them. I really hope we'll be getting a TS4, though. They have been my favorite console FPS throughout last gen.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

Cry Engine 3 looks good. I'm hoping they use it for Timesplitters 4 seeing as Crytek acquired Free Radical.

organic_machine

Me too. There is still a chane TS4 might have been canned, however. Seeing as how they are Crytek UK now, they are a part of Crytek, and Crytek may not want TS4. We really haven't heard any word about it from them. I really hope we'll be getting a TS4, though. They have been my favorite console FPS throughout last gen.

Yea i really hope they haven't cancelled TS4. I also enjoyed all the Timesplitters games. Own all of em. Cry Engine 3 in TS4 would be a perfect fit IMO. But, yea, it's possible Crytek doesn't want TS4. I'm just hoping they do though. :)

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

Cry Engine 3 looks good. I'm hoping they use it for Timesplitters 4 seeing as Crytek acquired Free Radical.

Puckhog04

Me too. There is still a chane TS4 might have been canned, however. Seeing as how they are Crytek UK now, they are a part of Crytek, and Crytek may not want TS4. We really haven't heard any word about it from them. I really hope we'll be getting a TS4, though. They have been my favorite console FPS throughout last gen.

Yea i really hope they haven't cancelled TS4. I also enjoyed all the Timesplitters games. Own all of em. Cry Engine 3 in TS4 would be a perfect fit IMO. But, yea, it's possible Crytek doesn't want TS4. I'm just hoping they do though. :)

Would you buy it on PC? (considering this is Crytek and like Valve, their games will all release on PC)dgsag

Amazing, so much for Crysis not running on 360 !!!!!!

Just needed the optimization

Theb est news is that now that they are going console too, their next engine will be console readsy from day one, thus xbox 720 will run Crysis 2 like butter

obamanian

Can't wait to see what the hell this looks like.

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

"this in no way guarantees aport of Crysis"

The article writer has no idea what i talking about, sorry

If you have some REAL article, from the developers, post that one, not some random PC fanboy article

He suggest that ram is the main problem to bring Crysis, but he "forgets" that this new engine is obviously based on streaming and is exactly made to fit and stream on the low cosnole ram, otherwise they would simply make a Cryengine 2 port

So, this article = crap, from someone that does not know anything about hardware, software or anything about them obviously

obamanian

I don't think you understand. My PC, which had TRIPLE the amount of RAM that the 360 had, had trouble running the game because the sheer low amount of RAM. I had to upgrade to 4 gigs just to take the object quality off of "Low."

That is because it is based on Cryengine 2, which is only usuable in huge ram hardware

Cryengine 3 is made with consoles in mind, so will be based on the same principles that make games like Alan Wake, Fallout 3, Far Cry 2 etc on consoles, without 4 GB ram obviously

Again, Cryengine 3 is NOT the same as Cryengine 2, well obviously

Far cry 2 would have been a way better game had it not been gimped for consoles low ram. had it been made for pc there would have been way more enimies and being able to go much further way before the enimies turn up again. you go 100m away in fc2 from where you killed the enimies and then go back and they are all back. The road is empty then a truck appears out of nowhere, it is all due to lack of ram in consoles.

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

Actually you can optimize exactly that, why load all that stuff in ram, when you can stream it ?

obamanian

Exactly, but at what quality? Nowhere near the quality of having in in the RAM.

If you stream the exact same models and textures, what difference will you see in quality ?

[QUOTE="clyde46"]OK, now how much of the map is exploreable? I have fable2 and it was extrememly linear. Almost herding you from one area to the next. What I meant by "Alan Wake is multiplat" is just that. I never said to wasnt on 360.obamanian

Sorry, but places like Oakfield were wide open to explore, so would you describe Oblivion as small, just because in towns you could only travel through narrow streets ?

The scale is defined by the biggest place, not the smallest you can find in a game

Alan Wake is also totally open world, even more than Fable 2, both have some huge worlds anyway, play Fable 2 first, then you will see