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#1 Rahnyc4
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How come most wii games from first party, to 3rd party doesn't look better than these games?

Doom 3 (xbox)





The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay(xbox) how would metroid prime 3 look, if it actually had shaders like these?




Conker: live and reloaded


Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory xbox





Sudeki (xbox) i know this was a bad game, but the topic isn't about bad games




even this lame shot looks better that what i've seen on the wii.


Far Cry Instancts (xbox)




to name a few...

Then again i realize one thing, thats missing from the wii. The wii cant do 720p, while the original xbox can. i know thats not a factor for most, but this is serious, when a old hardware can do things that a new hardware such as the wii cant do. Nintendo was seriously thinking about something else, when they decided to put out specs for the wii. The wii lacks the same power as the xbox. you would think that a new hardware like the wii would try and set standards, not above the gamecube, but above the original xbox.

im trying to find reasons to say the wii is more powerful than the original xbox, but its hard to say. i dont know if its lack of developers taking the wii hardware seriously, or the fact that the wii hardware just blows.

so far if i wanted to rate the stance of the wii hardware, to last gen.. i would rate it as following.

weakest to strongest.

1) ps2
2) gamecube
3) wii
4) xbox

I would have to say that the original xbox was truly ahead of its times for what it had to offer. Its sad that we had to see games, that didn't live up to its full potential be on the PS2 hardware, rather than the Xbox hardware. I'm going to use metroid prime 3 courrption as the starting point of the wii hardware, forgetting all the previous games that came out on the wii so far (on the graphics side) then again i should give credit to this wii game..
Pokemon Battle Revolution

because this game did show so far what the wii is kind of capable of. the wii standards should definitely change once a game like metroid prime 3 corruption comes out this month. For the record, the wii was known to have better versions of games than the xbox visually. Games like the Godfather, scarface, madden 07 and even driver parallel lines were known to be visually better than the xbox versons, then again these games are not truly build on the xbox hardware and didn't come out a few years later.

my question is...What makes most sheeps believe the Wii is stronger than the original Xbox?
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#2 Stonin
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I'd say it is on par....but hasn't shown it yet. Seriously though I had to sell mine as the lineup so far has been WEAK and looking at it on my 42" HDTV made me want to cry.
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#3 wannweed
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really i dont know
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#4 haols
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Well, how late did those Xbox games come in it's lifetime?

3 years?

Wii has been out one year.

It is exactly the same thing to ask "Why doesn't PS3 games look better then Xbox 360 games?"
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#5 ---OkeyDokey---
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They don't look miles better but mario galaxy (the best example of wii hardware) looks noticeably better than conker.

Metroid looks better in motion than 95% of xbox games but not quite as good so far as riddick and splinter cell.

Give it time I'm sure wii will have some games in the future that beat out those few. I'm actually quite fine if wii games only end up lookingas good assplinter cell.

Smash bros also looks great.

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#6 mr-sheep
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really i dont knowwannweed

You can pretty much call the Wii a "casual's gaming machine" LOL :) But seriously... what can you expect from a machine that's like the size of a VHS :P

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#7 buuzer0
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It bothers me as well, but I hope that they start to push the hardware soon. Have we truly seen things done on the Wii that absolutely CANNOT be done by pushing the GC to its limits? The jury is still out on that one, IMO.

I sometimes see people comparing SSBB with Melee, but Melee came out very early in the GC's life. I wonder sometimes if SSBB can be done on the GC. Who knows...

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#8 naval
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Wii owners don't care about how good the games looks or how well they play, they are happy as long as it sells enough copies
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#9 buuzer0
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Wii owners don't care about how good the games looks or how well they play, they are happy as long as it sells enough copies
naval

You're confusing Wii owners with System Wars Wii Fanboys.

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#10 ---OkeyDokey---
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lol some of those look on par with 360 games.

If you told me riddick, splinter cell and farcry were 360 games I wouldn't question it.

EDIT: omg riddick looks better than halo 3 :shock: seriously someone do a comparison.

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#11 Luigi_Vincetana
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Sudeki doesn't belong on that list, the Wii easily outclasses it. As for the other games, I'm really not sure, they're all very shader intensive and it's no secret that shaders are the Wii's weak point (you can only do so much with the TEV). On a similar note, I need to get Ridick and see what all the fuss is about because, quite frankly, I'm not impressed by the screens (all I see in them is overly shiny normal mapping cloaking a low poly characters and environments).
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#12 buuzer0
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lol some of those look on par with 360 games.

If you told me riddick, splinter cell and farcry were 360 games I wouldn't question it.

---OkeyDokey---

The shrunken images make those games look a lot better than they do in real life.

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#13 wannweed
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[QUOTE="wannweed"]really i dont knowmr-sheep

You can pretty much call the Wii a "casual's gaming machine" LOL :) But seriously... what can you expect from a machine that's like the size of a VHS :P

it's very small but i think by next year all the games will look better than those as of right now i dont know why
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#14 naval
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[QUOTE="naval"]Wii owners don't care about how good the games looks or how well they play, they are happy as long as it sells enough copies
buuzer0

You're confusing Wii owners with System Wars Wii Fanboys.

I have to say good point

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#15 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Man, I never knew Conker L&R looks that good :shock:.

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#16 dracula_16
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It's what I've been saying for quite a while now.. but when you bring up the truth then you get called a fakeboy which is always hilarious.

My sig says it all.

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#17 no_submission
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Wii+HDTV= :cry:
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#18 linarite
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Why do people use the best looking games on the xbox and expect all the Wii games to match it? What about the bad looking xbox games? The Wii has plenty of pretty games coming up this fall, so I don't really see the issue, and quite frankly, I don't really care if my Wii games look marginally better to be on par with the xbox just for a few comparison thread's sake.
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#19 Luigi_Vincetana
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Wii+HDTV= :cry:no_submission
Only if your HDTV sucks.
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#20 fiscope
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Some GC game like Rebel Strike look better than all of those screenshots. And if the Wii is stronger than the gamecube, which can match the XBOX, then obviously logic dictates that the Wii > XBOX visually. Just give it time...
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#21 no_submission
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Well, how late did those Xbox games come in it's lifetime?

3 years?

Wii has been out one year.

It is exactly the same thing to ask "Why doesn't PS3 games look better then Xbox 360 games?" haols

The Wii uses the same dev kits as the gamecube, nice try though.

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#22 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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As much as I like my Wii...it's clear that both Nintendo and 3rd party devs are using itas a cheap way to make money. The Wii is clearly capable of producing what the Xbox did except its so much quicker and easier for people to dump out a mini-game collection, or a PS2 port than to make a new game from the ground up.

I believe those games ARE on the way, but it would be nice if we saw some hint of them now so that people could see what the Wii was truly capable of. Because right now, they are still pushing the motion controls and that's mainly advertising for games like Wario or Brain Age...not exactly graphics intensive.

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[QUOTE="haols"]Well, how late did those Xbox games come in it's lifetime?

3 years?

Wii has been out one year.

It is exactly the same thing to ask "Why doesn't PS3 games look better then Xbox 360 games?" no_submission

The Wii uses the same dev kits as the gamecube, nice try though.

No it doesn't. Nice try though.
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#24 no_submission
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[QUOTE="no_submission"]Wii+HDTV= :cry:Luigi_Vincetana
Only if your HDTV sucks.

30" 720p Samsung LCD, nice try though:wink:

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#25 organic_machine
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I need to get Ridick and see what all the fuss is about because, quite frankly, I'm not impressed by the screens (all I see in them is overly shiny normal mapping cloaking a low poly characters and environments).Luigi_Vincetana

That is all the graphics are. It's just that it does very well with it's art direction.

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#26 Supafly1
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lol some of those look on par with 360 games.

If you told me riddick, splinter cell and farcry were 360 games I wouldn't question it.

EDIT: omg riddick looks better than halo 3 :shock: seriously someone do a comparison.

---OkeyDokey---

You need a pair of new eyeballs :D

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Why do people use the best looking games on the xbox and expect all the Wii games to match it? What about the bad looking xbox games? The Wii has plenty of pretty games coming up this fall, so I don't really see the issue, and quite frankly, I don't really care if my Wii games look marginally better to be on par with the xbox just for a few comparison thread's sake.linarite


the goal for the wii is to look better than most of these games out of the box. what, were on 8th or 9th month, and still wondering if the wii is capable of producing good looking games. when the xbox 360 launched people were saying that the games didnt look vastly different from last gen, that was the launch games mind you. it took GRAW.

its taking how long till the wii atleast out do the xbox? is it metroid prime 3, thats going to do that?
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#28 funnymario
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I didn't know the XBox looked that good.
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#29 lafigueroa
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[QUOTE="no_submission"]

[QUOTE="haols"]Well, how late did those Xbox games come in it's lifetime?

3 years?

Wii has been out one year.

It is exactly the same thing to ask "Why doesn't PS3 games look better then Xbox 360 games?" bexarath

The Wii uses the same dev kits as the gamecube, nice try though.

No it doesn't. Nice try though.

They are similar enough in that they're both a ***** to deal with. The Wii is capable of producing great looking games, but requires you jump alot of hurdles.

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#30 Rahnyc4
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Sudeki doesn't belong on that list, the Wii easily outclasses it. As for the other games, I'm really not sure, they're all very shader intensive and it's no secret that shaders are the Wii's weak point (you can only do so much with the TEV). On a similar note, I need to get Ridick and see what all the fuss is about because, quite frankly, I'm not impressed by the screens (all I see in them is overly shiny normal mapping cloaking a low poly characters and environments).Luigi_Vincetana
in my opinion sudeki looks a bit more polished visually than legend of zelda twilight princess.
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#31 DSgamer64
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Well you have to remember that the Xbox had more PC like architecture, wereas the GC and Wii are different, especially with the shader technology and stuff. While the Xbox used shader 2.0, the GC and Wii use technology called TEV which is an integrated system that I do believe works similar to DirectX 10, as in everything is in one package instead of multiple different technologies like shaders and vertex's. So it takes a bit of learning to use this new system, whereas porting games to the Xbox was only minor adjustments to make them look good. I hope that Crytek brings Far Cry 2 to the Wii though, which will be downgraded from the PC and other console versions but can still look extremely good if they are willing to put the time into it instead of bum rushing it like they did with the previous Far Cry game.
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#32 Rahnyc4
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[QUOTE="bexarath"][QUOTE="no_submission"]

[QUOTE="haols"]Well, how late did those Xbox games come in it's lifetime?

3 years?

Wii has been out one year.

It is exactly the same thing to ask "Why doesn't PS3 games look better then Xbox 360 games?" lafigueroa

The Wii uses the same dev kits as the gamecube, nice try though.

No it doesn't. Nice try though.

They are similar enough in that they're both a ***** to deal with. The Wii is capable of producing great looking games, but requires you jump alot of hurdles.

ok, i agree with you on that. the wii hardware isnt a ish to deal with, but it does take dedicated time, to truly bring out its best. I shouldnt say the wii cant measture up to xbox graphics, but cause its clear that xbox graphics got better with the intoduction of better middleware dev kits, that made it easier for xbox developers.

i read that Nintendo as well as third party middleware developers are constantly working on better dev kits for the wii, to bring out the best for developers. i can say that the wii dev kit and gamecube dev kit are actually different, since nintendo has to reintroduce things that the gamecube could do, to the wii. one example was fur shading. at one point, just a few months ago, the wii had no middleware program for fur shading, which nintendo recently added to the wii hardware.

it basically comes down to what the middleware has to offer, to bring out the best out of the wii's hardware. so far what wii developers are doing is bull. retro studios is so far the only company that is and will set a wii trend graphically. so far that game exceeds halo 2 graphics. i guess thats a good start for a first gen game.
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#33 wooooode
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[QUOTE="naval"]Wii owners don't care about how good the games looks or how well they play, they are happy as long as it sells enough copies
buuzer0

You're confusing Wii owners with System Wars Wii Fanboys.

More like any fanboy that is all you hear is numbers.

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#34 II-FBIsniper-II
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Man, I forgot how good xbox games looked, lol.

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Well, how late did those Xbox games come in it's lifetime?

3 years?

Wii has been out one year.

It is exactly the same thing to ask "Why doesn't PS3 games look better then Xbox 360 games?" haols

But devs have had the hardware for over 6 years, you know when the gamecube came out in 2001.

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#36 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="haols"]Well, how late did those Xbox games come in it's lifetime?

3 years?

Wii has been out one year.

It is exactly the same thing to ask "Why doesn't PS3 games look better then Xbox 360 games?" outlawauron7491

But devs have had the hardware for over 6 years, you know when the gamecube came out in 2001.

I ask myself the same question about PC games. How can they possibly have a bad looking PC game?
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#37 groudyogre
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really i dont knowwannweed

Yeah, and I don't care either. Wii graphics do what they are supposed to do noting more or less. They portray the game how the devs want it to be. If devs put in more effort then Wii games would look better.

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#38 Grive
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Well, how late did those Xbox games come in it's lifetime?

3 years?

Wii has been out one year.

It is exactly the same thing to ask "Why doesn't PS3 games look better then Xbox 360 games?" haols

Except, of course, that the Wii came 5 years into the Xbox' lifetime. One would hope a machine 5 years newer should display better graphics right off the gate.

And on another note, the Xbox was a powerhouse... them graphics still look pretty.

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becouse most third partydevelopers are lazy andjust want to make a quick buck because of how good its sellingand not take advantage of the hard ware. and have u looked at mario galaxy that looks better then most xbox games
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#40 elmoXPXP
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You need a component cable for your HD TV for the Wii otherwise it will look mushy. If you compress a screenshot down it will automatically look better. Re-sizing antialiases and thus de-jaggifies an image. Those late generation Xbox games look nice, but it really is true that no one's made enough effort with the Wii yet. Nintendo's big 3: SMG, MP3, and SSBB will be what you should judge it on. If they turn out fugly then I guess the Wii just has poo graphics. But seeing as I like the graphics of Streets of Rage 2 etc why should I care?
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#41 kittykatz5k
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A few of which do, but I guess we'll see better looking games later in it's life.
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#42 norfair_dweller
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The Wii is about equal to the Xbox, so I blame it on lazy developers, really. Some of the first-party games look really good but most third-party games look like Gamecube games or worse.

And the Wii doesn't have some of the shaders the Xbox does, so it probably won't ever have shading like Doom 3 or Riddick.

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#43 groudyogre
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becouse most third partydevelopers are lazy andjust want to make a quick buck because of how good its sellingand not take advantage of the hard ware. and have u looked at mario galaxy that looks better then most xbox gameslegend26

thank you. so do: MP3, SSBB and any other games ninty decide to release because they're the only ones that are putting effort into game quality atm

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#44 groudyogre
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The Wii is about equal to the Xbox, so I blame it on lazy developers, really. Some of the first-party games look really good but most third-party games look like Gamecube games or worse.

And the Wii doesn't have some of the shaders the Xbox does, so it probably won't ever have shading like Doom 3 or Riddick.

norfair_dweller

Yes the wii can do those shaders believe it! But they have to be custom built WHICH brings us back to the point about lazy devs...AGAIN...

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#45 legend26
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[QUOTE="legend26"]becouse most third partydevelopers are lazy andjust want to make a quick buck because of how good its sellingand not take advantage of the hard ware. and have u looked at mario galaxy that looks better then most xbox gamesgroudyogre

thank you. so do: MP3, SSBB and any other games ninty decide to release because they're the only ones that are putting effort into game quality atm

thanks for agreeing, i know i might get flamed for this but i think galaxy looks as good as a 360 game.
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#46 stvee101
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Wow those pictures just reminded me what the Xbox was capable of,Riddick and Splinter Cell in particular were real graphical powerhouses back then.All of those screenshots stomp all over whatever the Wii has to offer so far and some ,dare I say it, are even comparable to certain PS3 titles.Not bad for a 6-7 year old system.
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#47 useLOGIC
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Well, how late did those Xbox games come in it's lifetime?

3 years?

Wii has been out one year.

It is exactly the same thing to ask "Why doesn't PS3 games look better then Xbox 360 games?" haols

all current gen platforms should be better than the original xbox, right off the bat. no excuses.

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#48 crunchUK
Member since 2007 • 3050 Posts

I own an xbox and wii too and i don't think you are being fair:

1)have you got a HD cable for the Wii and a HD TV? if so, play RE4 wii edition and come back to me.

2) current 3rd party games for the Wii are lousy apart from RE4. As you pointed out, pokemon battle revolution looks awesome.

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#49 haziqonfire
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lol @ you for saying the Gamecube and PS2 and Xbox are stronger than the Wii. The Wii is stronger than both the GC and PS2, infact the GC was stronger than the PS2 as well. The Wii is on par with the Xbox
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#50 Michael85
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Wii doesn't have the shaders to do normal mapping on every single surface, a la Splinter Cell, Doom, and Riddick. It has to be achieved through other means. However, Mario Galaxy looks better than Conker and Sudeki, and you could even argue that the GC game Rogue Leader looks better than xbox games like Ninja Gaiden Black.

But the real deal is: lazy developers. There hasn't been a developer with the stones to push the hardware, save for Nintendo.