Banjo for Xbox 360 --- Lemmings should be concerned

Lemmings, lemmings...where to begin. RARE made great games during the SNES era and then the N64 era. Games like Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong 64, Jet Force Gemini, GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, Blast Corps, Killer Instinct.

Then all that began to change. A game called Star Fox Adventures arrived for Gamecube and was considered by many at the time as RAREs worst title. It got a great score on GameSpot, but people dismissed it. Maybe RARE had just hit a minor bump in the road and would come back strong. Yeah....right...

RARE gets bought by Microsoft. The 1st title RARE releases for Xbox? Grabbed by the Ghoulies. :lol: One of the WORST reviewed RARE games that I can remember. The gameplay got a "5" on GameSpot. RARE had always been known for making games with great gameplay. Not this title.

Moving on to Xbox 360. RARE releases Perfect Dark Zero. It gets a superb score on GameSpot, but most people HATED the game. RARE promised stellar multiplayer support, and most people seemed to hate that as well.

At the same time as Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo is released. The game had been through a long development cycle, and finally released...it was 12 hours long at most. The controls were bad with some of the transfomation characters. It was almost as if RARE had felt they created an epic title with all the great music. But, the game itself lacked. I personally like Kameo, but compared to most other RARE titles, it sucks.

Viva Pinata. A good game, but still not up to par with past RARE titles during the Nintendo days.

And now Banjo for 360 is coming. And it is being made by a company that used to make stellar games. RARE has fallen and doesn't seem to be getting back up. And lemmings should be concerned about Banjo 3. Most people hated Perfect Dark Zero...a prequel to Perfect Dark. How much do you trust RARE to make a sequel that is as good as Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie? I sure don't.

One other game I forgot to mention lemmings...Conker: Live and Reloaded for Xbox. Not nearly as good as Conker's Bad Fur Day for N64. So, yeah...going by the patterns of a horrible prequel (PDZ) to a superb game and a crappy follow-up (Conker: Live and Reloaded) to a great game, I can't find one reason to hype Banjo for 360. But hey...maybe you all have more faith in RARE than I do...

I'm more worried about the shift of focus to veichle combat myself.thrones

if i wanted racing id pick diddy kong racing not banjo.

it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. -Renegade

They could've used any other franchise for this, why Banjo Kazooie?

it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. -Renegade

Probably the first time I agree with you. ;)

Yea, its not as if the game has gotten glowing previews.

Gamespot
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts looks like it will be a hoot to explore. The custom-made vehicles are obviously a major part of the game, and this feature will suck away hours of your life as you build then rebuild a range of machines to suit your needs. The single-player missions look like they'll provide a solid experience, and the riotous online multiplayer will be a great addition to the franchise.

IGN

Rare would need to do something special to win over a skeptic public. At the end of the day, it was easy to read the smiling faces of the other visitors: This is the game that we've been waiting for Rare to deliver since being bought by Microsoft.

Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts is looking like Microsoft's first real success in expanding its first party offerings beyond the action and shooter genres. This is a game that all gamers can get behind. It looks wonderful, handles great, and has a hook that everyone from the most casual to most hardcore can lose themselves in.

Oh wow, that sure sounds worrisome.

Yea, its not as if the game has gotten glowing previews.

Gamespot
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts looks like it will be a hoot to explore. The custom-made vehicles are obviously a major part of the game, and this feature will suck away hours of your life as you build then rebuild a range of machines to suit your needs. The single-player missions look like they'll provide a solid experience, and the riotous online multiplayer will be a great addition to the franchise.

IGN

Rare would need to do something special to win over a skeptic public. At the end of the day, it was easy to read the smiling faces of the other visitors: This is the game that we've been waiting for Rare to deliver since being bought by Microsoft.

Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts is looking like Microsoft's first real success in expanding its first party offerings beyond the action and shooter genres. This is a game that all gamers can get behind. It looks wonderful, handles great, and has a hook that everyone from the most casual to most hardcore can lose themselves in.

Oh wow, that sure sounds worrisome.

whocares4peace

Where did I say it's bad? I just think Banjo should be a platformer focused, not viechle focused or whatever... :|

It's the same reason I complain about Fallout 3.

We will do just fine thanks........i think ur a tad jealous

RARE has already said this is NOT a racing game...:|

But, heck, let's say for the sake of argument that RARE is lying, and that Banjo for 360 is a racing game afterall. That would be be a really bad move on RARE's part. Do you really think lemmings are going to want to play a Banjo racer when they have Forza, Burnout, the upcoming GRID, Project Gotham? Lemmings won't touch a "cute" racer...

Yea, its not as if the game has gotten glowing previews.

Gamespot
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts looks like it will be a hoot to explore. The custom-made vehicles are obviously a major part of the game, and this feature will suck away hours of your life as you build then rebuild a range of machines to suit your needs. The single-player missions look like they'll provide a solid experience, and the riotous online multiplayer will be a great addition to the franchise.

IGN

Rare would need to do something special to win over a skeptic public. At the end of the day, it was easy to read the smiling faces of the other visitors: This is the game that we've been waiting for Rare to deliver since being bought by Microsoft.

Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts is looking like Microsoft's first real success in expanding its first party offerings beyond the action and shooter genres. This is a game that all gamers can get behind. It looks wonderful, handles great, and has a hook that everyone from the most casual to most hardcore can lose themselves in.

Oh wow, that sure sounds worrisome.

whocares4peace

RARE has already said this is NOT a racing game...:|

But, heck, let's say for the sake of argument that RARE is lying, and that Banjo for 360 is a racing game afterall. That would be be a really bad move on RARE's part. Do you really think lemmings are going to want to play a Banjo racer when they have Forza, Burnout, the upcoming GRID, Project Gotham? Lemmings won't touch a "cute" racer...

AvIdGaMeR444

it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. -Renegade

innovative?... it just seems they are doing it wrong... not innovative...

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]

Yea, its not as if the game has gotten glowing previews.

Gamespot
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts looks like it will be a hoot to explore. The custom-made vehicles are obviously a major part of the game, and this feature will suck away hours of your life as you build then rebuild a range of machines to suit your needs. The single-player missions look like they'll provide a solid experience, and the riotous online multiplayer will be a great addition to the franchise.

IGN

Rare would need to do something special to win over a skeptic public. At the end of the day, it was easy to read the smiling faces of the other visitors: This is the game that we've been waiting for Rare to deliver since being bought by Microsoft.

Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts is looking like Microsoft's first real success in expanding its first party offerings beyond the action and shooter genres. This is a game that all gamers can get behind. It looks wonderful, handles great, and has a hook that everyone from the most casual to most hardcore can lose themselves in.

Oh wow, that sure sounds worrisome.

wolverine4262

People played Lair and said it was amazing by the way. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it has... gone crazy. Like GTA4 becoming a linear FPS or some sort.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. BioShockOwnz

Probably the first time I agree with you. ;)

Took the words right out of my mouth. I can't believe Renegade just said that :P anyway I 100% agree.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. BioShockOwnz

Probably the first time I agree with you. ;)

Yea, its not as if the game has gotten glowing previews.

Gamespot
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts looks like it will be a hoot to explore. The custom-made vehicles are obviously a major part of the game, and this feature will suck away hours of your life as you build then rebuild a range of machines to suit your needs. The single-player missions look like they'll provide a solid experience, and the riotous online multiplayer will be a great addition to the franchise.

IGN

Rare would need to do something special to win over a skeptic public. At the end of the day, it was easy to read the smiling faces of the other visitors: This is the game that we've been waiting for Rare to deliver since being bought by Microsoft.

Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts is looking like Microsoft's first real success in expanding its first party offerings beyond the action and shooter genres. This is a game that all gamers can get behind. It looks wonderful, handles great, and has a hook that everyone from the most casual to most hardcore can lose themselves in.

Oh wow, that sure sounds worrisome.

whocares4peace

Average games get glowing previews all the time. :|

Fable was treated by IGN as the 2nd coming with its previews...

Based on IGN, Jade Empire is Bioware's greatest achievement...

Kameo was made to sound like an amazing achievement based on previews...

I can't trust "glowing" previews anymore.

Yea, its not as if the game has gotten glowing previews.

Gamespot
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts looks like it will be a hoot to explore. The custom-made vehicles are obviously a major part of the game, and this feature will suck away hours of your life as you build then rebuild a range of machines to suit your needs. The single-player missions look like they'll provide a solid experience, and the riotous online multiplayer will be a great addition to the franchise.

IGN

Rare would need to do something special to win over a skeptic public. At the end of the day, it was easy to read the smiling faces of the other visitors: This is the game that we've been waiting for Rare to deliver since being bought by Microsoft.

Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts is looking like Microsoft's first real success in expanding its first party offerings beyond the action and shooter genres. This is a game that all gamers can get behind. It looks wonderful, handles great, and has a hook that everyone from the most casual to most hardcore can lose themselves in.

Oh wow, that sure sounds worrisome.

whocares4peace

Previews said Lair would be good. Previews are always optimistic for various reasons. Right now, from what I've seen, it looks okay, but nothing I've seen has wowed me the way Rare expects to please people.

Conker live and reloaded was a superb remake and had an awesome multiplayer! just so you know...

also, im thinking this new banjo is looking amazing right now. i like the whole building your own vehicles and stuff. theres nothing else like it really! and its a unique idea that i hope they implement really well. mix that with the whole quirky banjo kazooie universe and personality and itll be an amazing game!

b xx

I found Kameo to be a enjoyable game when I played it at my friends house. This is coming from a guy who dislikes platform games.

You forgot about Conker Live and Reloaded. I liked the whole D-day Omaha Beach parody.

As for Banjo I don't really care for it. Not my type of game. Didn't like it when the game was on Nintendo and I don't see myself enjoying this game.

It really seems like the only people concerned here are the cows... and this is only natural considering that the game is a big title thats exclusive to the 360. Let's face it, rare isn't going anywhere soon.

RARE has already said this is NOT a racing game...:|

But, heck, let's say for the sake of argument that RARE is lying, and that Banjo for 360 is a racing game afterall. That would be be a really bad move on RARE's part. Do you really think lemmings are going to want to play a Banjo racer when they have Forza, Burnout, the upcoming GRID, Project Gotham? Lemmings won't touch a "cute" racer...

AvIdGaMeR444

I'm more worried about the shift of focus to veichle combat myself.thrones

It really seems like the only people concerned here are the cows... and this is only natural considering that the game is a big title thats exclusive to the 360. Let's face it, rare isn't going anywhere soon.

8drunkengods

What about past Banjo fans? Can't we be concerned? :|

i think this game is gonnna flop in sales on 360 anyway no matter what they do. rare games are best left on nintendo platoforms were they sell the best.-Renegade

I think this is meant to be competing against Gears of War 2, which is..not healthy.

it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. -Renegade

PDZ was good, Viva Pinata was decient, and Kameo was way fun, that's supposed to make me worried? Is this another one of those reverse threads that actually make whatever is getting griped about look good?

Whos side are you on here?

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. ma7moud93

So many Gears .gifs :|

it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. -Renegade

For once, I actually agree with you.

This is what innovation gets.

"WE WANT A REHASH GRRR"

to be honest, yeah rare has died basically. I hope they get better but so far there has yet to be a title Rare has released since the N64 era thats been worth anything.

and i agree. conkers bad fur day for the n64 was greatness, on the xbox it was junk,

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. redstormrisen

For once, I actually agree with you.

This is what innovation gets.

"WE WANT A REHASH GRRR"

[QUOTE="redstormrisen"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. wolverine4262

For once, I actually agree with you.

This is what innovation gets.

"WE WANT A REHASH GRRR"

A Banjo Kazooie game with an emphasis on platforming.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="redstormrisen"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. thrones

For once, I actually agree with you.

This is what innovation gets.

"WE WANT A REHASH GRRR"

A Banjo Kazooie game with an emphasis on platforming.

Congratulations you are the winner.

:| wow........im begining to realize the only thing people do this generation is complain and complain....Dante2710

Every generation.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="redstormrisen"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. thrones

For once, I actually agree with you.

This is what innovation gets.

"WE WANT A REHASH GRRR"

A Banjo Kazooie game with an emphasis on platforming.

Star Fox Adventures was not a bad game. It was great adventure game, but it was a Star Fox game that wasn't anything like a Star fox game and thats why it got all that hate. And not just Gamespot gave it a good review.

Don't blame Rare for Star Fox Adventures though. You can look at Myamoto for this. Originally Star Fox Adventure was Dino Planet and had nothing to do with Star Fox, but Mr. Mymoto forced Rare to turn it into a Star Fox game.

And Perfect Dark isn't bad either. It wasn't really a nine but it was still a decent shooter. Which is why it sold over 1 mill and got such high scores.

Kameo was also a great game that well well recieced.

Conker Live and Reloaded was a great game as well, so this isnt an example of a bad Rare game either.

And did you forget Viva Pinata which has been scoring AAAs?

Really, their only bad game since they left Nintendo was Grabbed by the Goulies. Big deal, Nintendo pumps out more bad games than that on a yearly basis.

Banjo looks great and looks pretty different, thats why people are excited.

A better question is why are Sony fanboys excited over Killzone 2.