Banjo for Xbox 360 --- Lemmings should be concerned

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="redstormrisen"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. wolverine4262

For once, I actually agree with you.

This is what innovation gets.

"WE WANT A REHASH GRRR"

A Banjo Kazooie game with an emphasis on platforming.

I never said it's worse.

I said it's different, so different that I honestly feel they could've done with a new franchise for this idea.

[QUOTE="redstormrisen"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. wolverine4262

For once, I actually agree with you.

This is what innovation gets.

"WE WANT A REHASH GRRR"

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="redstormrisen"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. Adrian_Cloud

For once, I actually agree with you.

This is what innovation gets.

"WE WANT A REHASH GRRR"

A Banjo Kazooie game with an emphasis on platforming.

Congratulations you are the winner.

The platforming elements will still be there, I expect most of the components for the vehicles will be attained by traditional Banjo platforming.

I love Banjo one and two, in my top 5 games of all time and LOVE the direction banjo 3 is taking.

RARE has already said this is NOT a racing game...:|

But, heck, let's say for the sake of argument that RARE is lying, and that Banjo for 360 is a racing game afterall. That would be be a really bad move on RARE's part. Do you really think lemmings are going to want to play a Banjo racer when they have Forza, Burnout, the upcoming GRID, Project Gotham? Lemmings won't touch a "cute" racer...

AvIdGaMeR444

Well, it's a good thing it's not a racing game.

I never said it's worse.

I said it's different, so different that I honestly feel they could've done with a new franchise for this idea.

thrones

[QUOTE="8drunkengods"]

It really seems like the only people concerned here are the cows... and this is only natural considering that the game is a big title thats exclusive to the 360. Let's face it, rare isn't going anywhere soon.

thrones

What about past Banjo fans? Can't we be concerned? :|

If you don't have a 360, why should you care? You wont be buy it. At most you'll go to your friends house and play for ten minute and act as if it's the worst thing ever and walk away acting as if you have a valid opinion on the game.

A better question is why are Sony fanboys excited over Killzone 2.

vashkey

Because it's going to be awesome. You bought Killzone 2 into this, and will now suffer.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="8drunkengods"]

It really seems like the only people concerned here are the cows... and this is only natural considering that the game is a big title thats exclusive to the 360. Let's face it, rare isn't going anywhere soon.

vashkey

What about past Banjo fans? Can't we be concerned? :|

If you don't have a 360, why should you care? You wont be buy it. At most you'll go to your friends house and play for ten minute and act as if it's the worst thing ever and walk away acting as if you have a valid opinion on the game.

...I do have an X360. Check sig, check this:

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. Dante2710

Probably the first time I agree with you. ;)

Me three.

Can't believe what I just witnessed...this is the dawn of a new era.

I'm still in shock..don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight.

Be quiet. You hate everything.

Banjo will rule.

:| wow........im begining to realize the only thing people do this generation is complain and complain....Dante2710

Yup. Banjo? Wah, it's not the same. GTA IV? Wah, it's not as cartoony and the vehicle handling stinks. Gears of War 2? Wah, it looks the same and has steroid pumpin' men, I can't be seen playing it. Wah, wah, wah! That's all it is. You can't satisfy gamers. Obviously it's no longer the hobby for them and they should exit ASAP.

[QUOTE="vashkey"]

A better question is why are Sony fanboys excited over Killzone 2.

thrones

Because it's going to be awesome. You bought Killzone 2 into this, and will now suffer.

I don't get it. Is that supposed to be amazing?

Be quiet. You hate everything.

Banjo will rule.

Willy105

I hate ALMOST everything.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

Be quiet. You hate everything.

Banjo will rule.

thrones

I hate ALMOST everything.

WHOOPS. Not you, sorry. I was talking about the topic creator.

[QUOTE="vashkey"]

A better question is why are Sony fanboys excited over Killzone 2.

thrones

Because it's going to be awesome. You bought Killzone 2 into this, and will now suffer.

Well, considering Killzone for the PS2 wasn't good I don't see what makes you think the sequel will be any better.

i find it funny how sony and nintendo fanboys pretend like they want nothing to do with rarest1ka

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

A better question is why are Sony fanboys excited over Killzone 2.

vashkey

Because it's going to be awesome. You bought Killzone 2 into this, and will now suffer.

Well, considering Killzone for the PS2 wasn't good I don't see what makes you think the sequel will be any better.

Money, development time and new talent.

And it's a first party game, how many first party games are really bad?

[QUOTE="st1ka"]i find it funny how sony and nintendo fanboys pretend like they want nothing to do with rareDante2710

It's the internet, if I'm being honest..I'm squeeming with Fanboy delight at this and am seriously looking foward to this game, especially the viechles because I acutally love the idea but I had to nitpick something in order to make an arguement. I mean, frankly, my internet views here are totally made up just to conflict with other people.

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

A better question is why are Sony fanboys excited over Killzone 2.

thrones

Because it's going to be awesome. You bought Killzone 2 into this, and will now suffer.

Well, considering Killzone for the PS2 wasn't good I don't see what makes you think the sequel will be any better.

Money, development time and new talent.

And it's a first party game, how many first party games are really bad?

Lair, Genji, Untold Legends...

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

A better question is why are Sony fanboys excited over Killzone 2.

thrones

Because it's going to be awesome. You bought Killzone 2 into this, and will now suffer.

Well, considering Killzone for the PS2 wasn't good I don't see what makes you think the sequel will be any better.

Money, development time and new talent.

And it's a first party game, how many first party games are really bad?

First party game = instant win? Im glad I'm not you.

i find it funny how sony fanboys pretend like they want nothing to do with rarest1ka

Fixed.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

A better question is why are Sony fanboys excited over Killzone 2.

BioShockOwnz

Because it's going to be awesome. You bought Killzone 2 into this, and will now suffer.

Well, considering Killzone for the PS2 wasn't good I don't see what makes you think the sequel will be any better.

Money, development time and new talent.

And it's a first party game, how many first party games are really bad?

Lair, Genji, Untold Legends...

Lair was third party

And I'm not saying it's instant success, I'm saying it will likely be succesful as the vast majority of games are like that. I mean, Sony saw something if they acquired Guerilla didn't they?

That, and I'm loving the footage.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="vashkey"]

A better question is why are Sony fanboys excited over Killzone 2.

vashkey

Because it's going to be awesome. You bought Killzone 2 into this, and will now suffer.

Well, considering Killzone for the PS2 wasn't good I don't see what makes you think the sequel will be any better.

Money, development time and new talent.

And it's a first party game, how many first party games are really bad?

First party game = instant win? Im glad I'm not you.

EPIC FAIL. You, not Vashkey. He didn't say First Party games meant greatness, just that it's expected to be and most of the time is.

anyone wondering, the gameplay vid on kotaku shows a sizable amount of out of vehicle platforming....wolverine4262

Like I said, the vehicles are there for platforming, not something else.

anyone wondering, the gameplay vid on kotaku shows a sizable amount of out of vehicle platforming....wolverine4262

It has one sequence of him balancing on a rope and some running. But I think that was it. It's viechles, and viechles don't seem to fit.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]anyone wondering, the gameplay vid on kotaku shows a sizable amount of out of vehicle platforming....thrones

It has one sequence of him balancing on a rope and some running. But I think that was it. It's viechles, and viechles don't seem to fit.

They fit just fine.

[QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]anyone wondering, the gameplay vid on kotaku shows a sizable amount of out of vehicle platforming....Willy105

It has one sequence of him balancing on a rope and some running. But I think that was it. It's viechles, and viechles don't seem to fit.

They fit just fine.

Not in my mind, it's like adding Mario and mascot kart racing, it just doens't work in my head :|

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]anyone wondering, the gameplay vid on kotaku shows a sizable amount of out of vehicle platforming....thrones

It has one sequence of him balancing on a rope and some running. But I think that was it. It's viechles, and viechles don't seem to fit.

They fit just fine.

Not in my mind, it's like adding Mario and mascot kart racing, it just doens't work in my head :|

It does in my head. :)

RARE has already said this is NOT a racing game...:|

But, heck, let's say for the sake of argument that RARE is lying, and that Banjo for 360 is a racing game afterall. That would be be a really bad move on RARE's part. Do you really think lemmings are going to want to play a Banjo racer when they have Forza, Burnout, the upcoming GRID, Project Gotham? Lemmings won't touch a "cute" racer...

AvIdGaMeR444

Since when did people only ever own one console? There are more people than Lemmings with a 360.

Kameo was and is very underrated.

Ill give the new Banjoo game a try, based on how amazing Kameo was and how good the old Banjoo games where.

The whole game wont be a racing game, maybe some levels will be but not the full game.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="redstormrisen"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. wolverine4262

For once, I actually agree with you.

This is what innovation gets.

"WE WANT A REHASH GRRR"

A Banjo Kazooie game with an emphasis on platforming.

What you talk about means the game's focus is on making teh vehicles not on the platforming.

You guys are hard to please. Actually scratch that, impossible, to please. We all know it's a platform game so it only makes sense for them to want to show off the newer elements of their game. Which would be the racing element. Now people are crying like little babies all because Rare wanted to do something different.Palax

Exactly. I love it how people claim that a game is based 100% on the first five screenshots posted. Of course there will be new elements released first. If you are trying to innovate, you want to show it off and generate interest. But most old Rare fans have deserted them. Hell knows why you would desert someoen for being different and making good games.

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]anyone wondering, the gameplay vid on kotaku shows a sizable amount of out of vehicle platforming....thrones

It has one sequence of him balancing on a rope and some running. But I think that was it. It's viechles, and viechles don't seem to fit.

They fit just fine.

Not in my mind, it's like adding Mario and mascot kart racing, it just doens't work in my head :|

They seemed to like them in Mario Galaxy.

You guys are hard to please. Actually scratch that, impossible, to please. We all know it's a platform game so it only makes sense for them to want to show off the newer elements of their game. Which would be the racing element. Now people are crying like little babies all because Rare wanted to do something different.Palax

If you read the previews they mention very little platforming and the platforming seems to only be thrown in to get parts to build your machine to pass the missions.

What you talk about means the game's focus is on making teh vehicles not on the platforming.

GundamGuy0

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="thrones"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]anyone wondering, the gameplay vid on kotaku shows a sizable amount of out of vehicle platforming....Willy105

It has one sequence of him balancing on a rope and some running. But I think that was it. It's viechles, and viechles don't seem to fit.

They fit just fine.

Not in my mind, it's like adding Mario and mascot kart racing, it just doens't work in my head :|

They seemed to like them in Mario Galaxy.

Because the design in SMG is to have diffrnt mechanics in diffretn areas. The focus of that game wasn't those machanics... and you know it.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="redstormrisen"]

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]it's so weird people here complaing about rare trying to be a bit innovative and most people wander why we keep seeing all these generic shooters being made all the time. developers try to do something new and all they get is a slap in the face. wolverine4262

For once, I actually agree with you.

This is what innovation gets.

"WE WANT A REHASH GRRR"

A Banjo Kazooie game with an emphasis on platforming.

What you talk about means the game's focus is on making teh vehicles not on the platforming.

No, that's the heart of an Adventure game. Platforming is about exploration. Looking for vehicle parts make you explore, and using the vehicles make exploration easier.

well, kameo was actually pretty good IMO

pdz was alright, but as great as it should have been

i think these suffered because of platform shifting, and being rushed for launch

banjo 3 hasn't got that problem .. RARE finally have some stability with its development

viva pinata was a good game, just not the type of game RARE tend to make

plus RARE still has most of the original banjo team, inc the key members .. unlike perfect dark, since key FPS devs left and made Free Radical

No, that's the heart of an Adventure game. Platforming is about exploration. Looking for vehicle parts make you explore, and using the vehicles make exploration easier.Willy105

Bingo! I really wish everyone else could understand this. It's just common sense, really.

if this was the 16 bit era, and instead of banjo we had seen screens of mario world on top of yoshi people here at SW would be saying "OMG its supposed to be mario not bubble bobble"

this is how i feel from all this public outcry iv seen for the last few hours

No, that's the heart of an Adventure game. Platforming is about exploration. Looking for vehicle parts make you explore, and using the vehicles make exploration easier.

Willy105

Lot's of games have you exploring for stuff. The big complaint isn't that, It's that the focus is on making machines in the editor to let you expolore when before Banjo was about using Banjo and Kazooies abilities to explore.

Well, I was not really a fan of the original Banjo games. But after viewing the gameplay footage of the new title, it doesn't look that bad to me. It's definitely no R&C or Jak & Dexter... but then again, cows don't get to enjoy either of those franchises this year either. So at the least, I think it's a nice platformer to hold me over until the next Ratchet or Jak game.

The only problem I see with Banjo at this point is that it's coming out at a time of year when there are too many other games higher up on my priority list. I'll probably not end up picking it up until '09... Either way, this is a game that I will actually wait to read reviews on before making a decision.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

No, that's the heart of an Adventure game. Platforming is about exploration. Looking for vehicle parts make you explore, and using the vehicles make exploration easier.

GundamGuy0

Lot's of games have you exploring for stuff. The big complaint isn't that, It's that the focus is on making machines in the editor to let you expolore when before Banjo was about using Banjo and Kazooies abilities to explore.

I guess we're all hoping for a clean start, that's what I think it'll do. It's kind of, 'There's your old Banjo games, let's put those in the past, you can remember how good those were, this is Banjo for the future'.-RARE

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

No, that's the heart of an Adventure game. Platforming is about exploration. Looking for vehicle parts make you explore, and using the vehicles make exploration easier.

BioShockOwnz

Lot's of games have you exploring for stuff. The big complaint isn't that, It's that the focus is on making machines in the editor to let you expolore when before Banjo was about using Banjo and Kazooies abilities to explore.

I guess we're all hoping for a clean start, that's what I think it'll do. It's kind of, 'There's your old Banjo games, let's put those in the past, you can remember how good those were, this is Banjo for the future'.-RARE

That's exactly why people are complaing, some people have been waiting 8 years for the next great Banjo game... only to find out it's not the Banjo they knew and loved back on the n64.

This game seems like it got alot of good things going for it.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

No, that's the heart of an Adventure game. Platforming is about exploration. Looking for vehicle parts make you explore, and using the vehicles make exploration easier.

GundamGuy0

Lot's of games have you exploring for stuff. The big complaint isn't that, It's that the focus is on making machines in the editor to let you expolore when before Banjo was about using Banjo and Kazooies abilities to explore.

So? It serves the same porpurse. And besides, Banjo and Kazooie will also gain abilities. See the new moves in it's teaser trailer a while ago?