Batman Arkham City is one of the best games this gen

I recently got around to playing Arkham City, and dear god THIS is how you make a superhero game. I have major respect for the folks over at Rocksteady, they've done a great job with this series. So I've been thinking, do you think that the tide is slowly shifting for superhero games? In the past we've had plenty of awful games based off well-known super heroes, but with games like Arkham City, Prototype, Infamous, and Amazing Spiderman coming out, it seems like superhero games are really starting to blossom.

Although even with all these great games, none of them seemed to really give me a sense of "power". Prototype tried to pull it off, but the world was just so generic and lacking in detail that the powers were abysmal. Do you guys think the superhero genre's going to go full-storm next gen? The same thing seems to be happening with all the great hero movies we've been getting.

Batman:AC is not one of the best games this gen, especially when AA was much better imo. AC lost that charm and impact that AA gave me.

I think Arkham City is one of the best games EVER. And really, so was Arkham Asylum. AA just doesn't seem quite as awesome, since AC, because AC expanded on it so much, and so perfectly. I think Rocksteady should just be given the rights to make the definitive game for all the major super heroes. Just like Christopher Nolan should be given the rights to make the definitive movie and/or series for all the major super heroes.

I plat'd it yesterday :cool:

And I'm guessing superhero games will cease to be cool again with the arrival of the newest "superman movie - the game" game... superman really sucks when it comes to games.

It should of had more actual detective elements.

Batman:AC is not one of the best games this gen, especially when AA was much better imo. AC lost that charm and impact that AA gave me.

randomguy15

Yep, it is very polished and the combat is extremely fun and well-done. The story isn't too bad, either.Riadon2

I loved the story of Arkham Asylum/City. Pretty much perfect batman. But that's to be expected from the great Paul Dini.

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Batman:AC is not one of the best games this gen, especially when AA was much better imo. AC lost that charm and impact that AA gave me.

inb4uall

I plat'd it yesterday :cool:

And I'm guessing superhero games will cease to be cool again with the arrival of the newest "superman movie - the game" game... superman really sucks when it comes to games.

GreenGoblin2099

Superman is just a really hard super hero to make a satisfying game out of. I mean, he's Superman. He's bulletproof, he can fly, he can turn back time by flying at light speed around the world, he can stop trains, and pick up and throw literally anything like it's nothing. All things that make for a definitive "super hero", but make for a game that has zero challenge. And then when you want to have challenge... oh look. Kryptonite. didn't see that coming.

I think Arkham City is one of the best games EVER. And really, so was Arkham Asylum. AA just doesn't seem quite as awesome, since AC, because AC expanded on it so much, and so perfectly. I think Rocksteady should just be given the rights to make the definitive game for all the major super heroes. Just like Christopher Nolan should be given the rights to make the definitive movie and/or series for all the major super heroes.

the_bi99man

Nah, I can't see Nolan making Spiderman movies or anything of the like. Those sorts of movies really aren't his style, and besides he said he's done with those superhero movies.

I'd also like to see Rocksteady tackle another hero, something different.

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Batman:AC is not one of the best games this gen, especially when AA was much better imo. AC lost that charm and impact that AA gave me.

randomguy15

Can't have parts like those twice in a row.. this isn't Zelda, you know??

Anyway, word is that Scarecrow will probably return for the next game according an encripted radio transmission in the game, plus a hidden room where there's Scarecrow stuff.

The game is indeed a masterpiece, unfortunately, it takes a great developer to be able to make a great game, so even if next gen wanted to focus on the superhero genre, they would have to get a team as great as rocksteady to make it as successful, problem being is that all the really good developers don't make games based off of movies, comic books etc. they want to do their own thing, so a publisher will buy up the rights and get one of their second or third tier development teams to make the game just for profit and it ends up being lackluster.

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Batman:AC is not one of the best games this gen, especially when AA was much better imo. AC lost that charm and impact that AA gave me.

randomguy15

Arkham City blew me away because, to me at least, it felt like a huge and perfect sequel to AA. It expanded upon it in every way while retaining what AA felt great. I can see why you'd think otherwise though, the two games have a different feel to them. Unique levels like those aren't as abundant in AC as they were in AA.

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I think Arkham City is one of the best games EVER. And really, so was Arkham Asylum. AA just doesn't seem quite as awesome, since AC, because AC expanded on it so much, and so perfectly. I think Rocksteady should just be given the rights to make the definitive game for all the major super heroes. Just like Christopher Nolan should be given the rights to make the definitive movie and/or series for all the major super heroes.

XVision84

Nah, I can't see Nolan making Spiderman movies or anything of the like. Those sorts of movies really aren't his style, and besides he said he's done with those superhero movies.

I'd also like to see Rocksteady tackle another hero, something different.

Nolan is producing Man of Steel...

The game is indeed a masterpiece, unfortunately, it takes a great developer to be able to make a great game, so even if next gen wanted to focus on the superhero genre, they would have to get a team as great as rocksteady to make it as successful, problem being is that all the really good developers don't make games based off of movies, comic books etc. they want to do their own thing, so a publisher will buy up the rights and get one of their second or third tier development teams to make the game just for profit and it ends up being lackluster.

23Jarek23

Yeah, but it doesn't even have to be based off of a movie. Infamous and Prototype are great examples of unique games that pull off the superhero concept pretty well.

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[QUOTE="inb4uall"] AA is good but so is AC

XVision84

Arkham City blew me away because, to me at least, it felt like a huge and perfect sequel to AA. It expanded upon it in every way while retaining what AA felt great. I can see why you'd think otherwise though, the two games have a different feel to them. Unique levels like those aren't as abundant in AC as they were in AA.

I beat it the other day and I agree.

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I think Arkham City is one of the best games EVER. And really, so was Arkham Asylum. AA just doesn't seem quite as awesome, since AC, because AC expanded on it so much, and so perfectly. I think Rocksteady should just be given the rights to make the definitive game for all the major super heroes. Just like Christopher Nolan should be given the rights to make the definitive movie and/or series for all the major super heroes.

XVision84

Nah, I can't see Nolan making Spiderman movies or anything of the like. Those sorts of movies really aren't his style, and besides he said he's done with those superhero movies.

I'd also like to see Rocksteady tackle another hero, something different.

Yeah, he's got a very dark, gritty style. Which probably wouldn't translate too well into most super hero universes, but worked fantastically for Batman. Although, on the topic of Spider-Man. I have always wanted to see a well done movie adaptation of the multi-part episode from the Animated Series where he fights Venom and Carnage, and has to fight them on the space shuttle as it launches, to save the astronauts or something. I think that particular Spider Man story would be really awesome if it were done in a darker, gritty style, like Nolan Batman styles. Especially if they actually got someone believable to play Vemon. Like... anyone but Topher Grace.:P

Seriously, who's d!ck did he suck to get that part? They easily could have taken any random hollywood tough guy and made a perfect Venom. But instead, they completely re-wrote Eddie Brock's character, to make him into someone Topher Grace could play.

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[QUOTE="inb4uall"] AA is good but so is AC

GreenGoblin2099

Can't have parts like those twice in a row.. this isn't Zelda, you know??

Anyway, word is that Scarecrow will probably return for the next game according an encripted radio transmission in the game, plus a hidden room where there's Scarecrow stuff.

Rocksteady already announced that their next Batman game is going to be set during the silver age, so even if scarecrow is included, it won't have anything to do with the story from AA and AC...so the transmission was probably nothing more than just a easter egg.

Superman is just a really hard super hero to make a satisfying game out of. I mean, he's Superman. He's bulletproof, he can fly, he can turn back time by flying at light speed around the world, he can stop trains, and pick up and throw literally anything like it's nothing. All things that make for a definitive "super hero", but make for a game that has zero challenge. And then when you want to have challenge... oh look. Kryptonite. didn't see that coming.

the_bi99man

Well, in all honesty, I did enjoy the "Death and Return of Superman" for the SNES... It'd probably suck donkey d**ks if played now, but back then I thought it was cool. Probably because I was hyped by the comic.

I'd also like to see Rocksteady tackle another hero, something different.

XVision84

Spawn

Batman:AC is not one of the best games this gen, especially when AA was much better imo. AC lost that charm and impact that AA gave me.

randomguy15

And TC I agree, it's definitely one of the best games to come out this generation.

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I think Arkham City is one of the best games EVER. And really, so was Arkham Asylum. AA just doesn't seem quite as awesome, since AC, because AC expanded on it so much, and so perfectly. I think Rocksteady should just be given the rights to make the definitive game for all the major super heroes. Just like Christopher Nolan should be given the rights to make the definitive movie and/or series for all the major super heroes.

23Jarek23

Nah, I can't see Nolan making Spiderman movies or anything of the like. Those sorts of movies really aren't his style, and besides he said he's done with those superhero movies.

I'd also like to see Rocksteady tackle another hero, something different.

Nolan is producing Man of Steel...

Nope, he's merely giving pointers and script editing for Zack Snyder. He made it clear before that this is Zack's project and he's only going to sit on the side lines helping Zack however he can. His name and mention of the batman movies are only on the trailer to attract hype from the masses.

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Batman:AC is not one of the best games this gen, especially when AA was much better imo. AC lost that charm and impact that AA gave me.

randomguy15

Both Arkham Asylum and Arkham City are incredibly overrated imo. They're decent games, but the best this gen? No, not even close. I had to force myself to finish Arkham Asylum, and gave up on Arkham City due to boredom.

I concur.

Unlike AA it had its lows. However the badassery of Ra's and the ending more than make up for them.

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[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Nah, I can't see Nolan making Spiderman movies or anything of the like. Those sorts of movies really aren't his style, and besides he said he's done with those superhero movies.

I'd also like to see Rocksteady tackle another hero, something different.

XVision84

Nolan is producing Man of Steel...

Nope, he's merely giving pointers and script editing for Zack Snyder. He made it clear before that this is Zack's project and he's only going to sit on the side lines helping Zack however he can. His name and mention of the batman movies are only on the trailer to attract hype from the masses.

According to IMDB, he has a producer credit. Also a co-writing credit for the story (with David S. Goyer, who has the Screenplay writing credit, and worked with Nolan on the entire Dark Knight Trilogy).

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I think Arkham City is one of the best games EVER. And really, so was Arkham Asylum. AA just doesn't seem quite as awesome, since AC, because AC expanded on it so much, and so perfectly. I think Rocksteady should just be given the rights to make the definitive game for all the major super heroes. Just like Christopher Nolan should be given the rights to make the definitive movie and/or series for all the major super heroes.

the_bi99man

Nah, I can't see Nolan making Spiderman movies or anything of the like. Those sorts of movies really aren't his style, and besides he said he's done with those superhero movies.

I'd also like to see Rocksteady tackle another hero, something different.

Yeah, he's got a very dark, gritty style. Which probably wouldn't translate too well into most super hero universes, but worked fantastically for Batman. Although, on the topic of Spider-Man. I have always wanted to see a well done movie adaptation of the multi-part episode from the Animated Series where he fights Venom and Carnage, and has to fight them on the space shuttle as it launches, to save the astronauts or something. I think that particular Spider Man story would be really awesome if it were done in a darker, gritty style, like Nolan Batman styles. Especially if they actually got someone believable to play Vemon. Like... anyone but Topher Grace.:P

Seriously, who's d!ck did he suck to get that part? They easily could have taken any random hollywood tough guy and made a perfect Venom. But instead, they completely re-wrote Eddie Brock's character, to make him into someone Topher Grace could play.

They're going in the right direction with The Amazing Spiderman, I can definitely see that happening in future iterations. Spiderman 3 was a train wreck, Venom isn't even in 3/4ths of the movie and the scenes with him were terrible. There was a lot of potential missed there, they tried to juggle too much with Sandman, Venom, and Harry. Not everybody can pull a Joss Whedon and make an ace in the whole like The Avengers, or successfully end a trilogy with a bang like Nolan.

Imagine an action/adventure Avengers game done right by a talented dev...what a sight that would be:shock:.

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[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Nah, I can't see Nolan making Spiderman movies or anything of the like. Those sorts of movies really aren't his style, and besides he said he's done with those superhero movies.

I'd also like to see Rocksteady tackle another hero, something different.

XVision84

Nolan is producing Man of Steel...

Nope, he's merely giving pointers and script editing for Zack Snyder. He made it clear before that this is Zack's project and he's only going to sit on the side lines helping Zack however he can. His name and mention of the batman movies are only on the trailer to attract hype from the masses.

He's still a producer, I was just saying that he's still involved, regardless of the size of involvement...he's not completely done with super hero movies.

On another note though, HansZimmer is composing the score, as much as I love his work, I really hope he keeps the main theme and lois lanes theme...Williams was at his peak back then...it would break my heart if he completely re-wrote the main theme...hope he just makes it his own.

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Nolan is producing Man of Steel...

the_bi99man

Nope, he's merely giving pointers and script editing for Zack Snyder. He made it clear before that this is Zack's project and he's only going to sit on the side lines helping Zack however he can. His name and mention of the batman movies are only on the trailer to attract hype from the masses.

According to IMDB, he has a producer credit. Also a co-writing credit for the story (with David S. Goyer, who has the Screenplay writing credit, and worked with Nolan on the entire Dark Knight Trilogy).

Even so, I doubt Nolan will start making more hero movies. I doubt he'll be around for the Man of Steel sequel. I really wouldn't mind if he was though, Nolan's magical touch is always welcomed. I just hope after all the money DC's pouring into making all these movies, they don't end up messing it all up with a bad Justice League tie-in. Rumors have been going around that Rocksteady on board for a Justice League game, I'm not too sure how that'd work out :-/. Some rumors are best left as rumors :P.

They're going in the right direction with The Amazing Spiderman, I can definitely see that happening in future iterations. Spiderman 3 was a train wreck, Venom isn't even in 3/4ths of the movie and the scenes with him were terrible. There was a lot of potential missed there, they tried to juggle too much with Sandman, Venom, and Harry. Not everybody can pull a Joss Whedon and make an ace in the whole like The Avengers, or successfully end a trilogy with a bang like Nolan.

Imagine an action/adventure Avengers game done right by a talented dev...what a sight that would be:shock:.

XVision84

Haven't seen The Amazing Spiderman yet. Is it good? And yeah, Joss Whedon did a great job with the Avengers. It wasn't my favorite movie, by any means, but it's way better than I expected it to be. Mostly from the obvious influence of Whedon at the helm. And the focus on Iron Man as a kind of more-than-main character. Downy Jr. is just soooo good.

It's okay from what I've played.

Even so, I doubt Nolan will start making more hero movies. I doubt he'll be around for the Man of Steel sequel. I really wouldn't mind if he was though, Nolan's magical touch is always welcomed. I just hope after all the money DC's pouring into making all these movies, they don't end up messing it all up with a bad Justice League tie-in. Rumors have been going around that Rocksteady on board for a Justice League game, I'm not too sure how that'd work out :-/. Some rumors are best left as rumors :P.

XVision84

Yeah... that doesn't sound too great. If Rocksteady does it, I'm sure it will be the best it could be. Just as a setting though, I've never liked the super hero groups as much as the individual heroes. Hence why I had really low expectations for the Avengers, which did turn out way better than I expected.

It's okay from what I've played.

timmy00

WTF are Goemon, Okuni, Yukimura, Keiji, Magoichi and Masamune doing in an anime?

Batman AC was quite mediocre, played the first game and combat was exacly same, it made game quite boring

And story wasn't any good either

played it 2 weeks ago and i agree... its soo refreshing from the norm... very good game.

I think its very stupid to say that only 1 game is the best of this gen.. no offense

this gen has more than 20 great games and is why i still say this generation of games is THE best out of all gaming gens, this gen has provided some amazing games than no other gen provided.

Batman was one of the top great games this gen but is not the best one imo

i respect your opinion tho

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They're going in the right direction with The Amazing Spiderman, I can definitely see that happening in future iterations. Spiderman 3 was a train wreck, Venom isn't even in 3/4ths of the movie and the scenes with him were terrible. There was a lot of potential missed there, they tried to juggle too much with Sandman, Venom, and Harry. Not everybody can pull a Joss Whedon and make an ace in the whole like The Avengers, or successfully end a trilogy with a bang like Nolan.

Imagine an action/adventure Avengers game done right by a talented dev...what a sight that would be:shock:.

the_bi99man

Haven't seen The Amazing Spiderman yet. Is it good? And yeah, Joss Whedon did a great job with the Avengers. It wasn't my favorite movie, by any means, but it's way better than I expected it to be. Mostly from the obvious influence of Whedon at the helm. And the focus on Iron Man as a kind of more-than-main character. Downy Jr. is just soooo good.

I haven't seen it either, but I've seen snippets and friends/family tell me it's good.

And yeah, Downey's the best thing to happen to Marvel, he's the definitive Tony Stark. It's actually up there as one of my favorite action movies of all time. I just love the quirky dialogue and over-the-top action.

I think its very stupid to say that only 1 game is the best of this gen.. no offense

this gen has more than 20 great games and is why i still say this generation of games is THE best out of all gaming gens, this gen has provided some amazing games than no other gen provided.

Batman was one of the top great games this gen but is not the best one imo

i respect your opinion tho

finalstar2007

:lol: Finalstar, read the title again.

I said one of the best games this gen, not THE best game this gen.

It's crazy.. I still haven't finished it yet.. :?

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I think its very stupid to say that only 1 game is the best of this gen.. no offense

this gen has more than 20 great games and is why i still say this generation of games is THE best out of all gaming gens, this gen has provided some amazing games than no other gen provided.

Batman was one of the top great games this gen but is not the best one imo

i respect your opinion tho

XVision84

:lol: Finalstar, read the title again.

I said one of the best games this gen, not THE best game this gen.

woops my bad i read it too fast :P

i do agree tho its one of the best

i find it really nice though that Batman is big not only in movies but also in games.. something you rarely see... Spiderman is getting there

I approve TC

It is pretty awesome, improved over the first game in so many ways.

Def in my top 10 of this gen

I think we can all agree that Arkham City has the best combat system this gen.

The Arkham games are great but they are little off in terms of what a Batman game should be. If you are going to make an open world Batman game it should be in Gotham, with pedestrians and vehicles all over the place. Batman should have access to his own vehicles like the Batmobile to get around, not using his zip line everywhere like he's Spiderman or something. Batman is also known as "the world's greatest detective", and there were forensic sequences in the game, but they were so small and simple that they were ultimately pointless (same for the Nolan Batman movies too...). I'm not saying throw it away, but instead they should develop that aspect more to make it core to the experience and contribute to the fun rather than feel like padding. Come to think of it, Arkham City had a lot of parts that felt padded and had me going through the motions to get to the fun parts. The Arkham games were very fun but there is a lot of room to develop the series and progress it further. GunSmith1_basic

yeah, I share the same concerns.

But Rocksteady's next batman game is taking place before the events of Arkham City. This gives them the chance to show Gotham in its full glory (vehicles, pedestrians and all) and focus on the detective side of Batman. I'd definitely like to have vehicle fights across Gotham with the Batmobile, Twisted Metal style.

Yeah it is an amazing game. Not quite up there with the likes of MGS4, but certainly on par with SMG games, Batman: AA, Red Dead etc