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#51 viper-kid
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At launch MW3 stumps BF3 for sales... So what does this show again?

Wasdie

Again with the sales. It's obviously more people are hyped for BF3 this time around because they know for a fact that MW3 will be exactly like the last 4 CoD games.

If people were more hyped for BF3 then BF3 would sale more but that ain't happening So I can only guess you mean people on the forums, which doesn't represent the majority.
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

At launch MW3 stumps BF3 for sales... So what does this show again?

viper-kid

Again with the sales. It's obviously more people are hyped for BF3 this time around because they know for a fact that MW3 will be exactly like the last 4 CoD games.

If people were more hyped for BF3 then BF3 would sale more but that ain't happening So I can only guess you mean people on the forums, which doesn't represent the majority.

Are you going to the future already. We don't know howmany copies MW3 or BF3 will sell.

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The graphics are better.

But what does that have to do with MW3 outselling and scoring a AA-AAA rating this year ? (like it has consistently for 4 years)The_Pacific

Did I mention JUST graphically?

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#54 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

At launch MW3 stumps BF3 for sales... So what does this show again?

viper-kid

Again with the sales. It's obviously more people are hyped for BF3 this time around because they know for a fact that MW3 will be exactly like the last 4 CoD games.

If people were more hyped for BF3 then BF3 would sale more but that ain't happening So I can only guess you mean people on the forums, which doesn't represent the majority.

So if sales are the best indicator of quality then wii sports is the greatest game ever and pokemon is the greatest game series of all time. Did you not see the caspian trailer? I don't get how anyone can see that then say "nah but this game that's almost identical to a game from 2007 is still going to be better". In fact I don't get how people can still be entertained by a game they've been playing for 4 years.
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#55 The_Pacific
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[QUOTE="The_Pacific"]The graphics are better.

But what does that have to do with MW3 outselling and scoring a AA-AAA rating this year ? (like it has consistently for 4 years)_VenomX

Did I mention JUST graphically?

Ummm quality is subjective. How can you say MW3 isn't of quality when it scores and sells amazing every year ?
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#56 el3m2tigre
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

At launch MW3 stumps BF3 for sales... So what does this show again?

The_Pacific

Again with the sales. It's obviously more people are hyped for BF3 this time around because they know for a fact that MW3 will be exactly like the last 4 CoD games.

I don't see how more people are hyped for BF3 when it's not going to sell as much as MW3.

Even though BF fans deny it, sales do matter. Activision doesn't have to advertise their game a full year before its coming out because they know they have the monster fanbase that are going to support and buy the next CoD game. Like they have been doing in the millions since CoD4.

Same reason why the developers hardly put any work in COD.

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#57 _VenomX
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[QUOTE="_VenomX"]

[QUOTE="The_Pacific"]The graphics are better.

But what does that have to do with MW3 outselling and scoring a AA-AAA rating this year ? (like it has consistently for 4 years)The_Pacific

Did I mention JUST graphically?

Ummm quality is subjective. How can you say MW3 isn't of quality when it scores and sells amazing every year ?

Same game every year. Just a reskin of COD4...
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#58 The_Pacific
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[QUOTE="The_Pacific"][QUOTE="_VenomX"]

[QUOTE="The_Pacific"]The graphics are better.

But what does that have to do with MW3 outselling and scoring a AA-AAA rating this year ? (like it has consistently for 4 years)_VenomX

Did I mention JUST graphically?

Ummm quality is subjective. How can you say MW3 isn't of quality when it scores and sells amazing every year ?

Same game every year. Just a reskin of COD4...

Ahhh, so you have no answer.
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[QUOTE="_VenomX"]

[QUOTE="The_Pacific"]The graphics are better.

But what does that have to do with MW3 outselling and scoring a AA-AAA rating this year ? (like it has consistently for 4 years)The_Pacific

Did I mention JUST graphically?

Ummm quality is subjective. How can you say MW3 isn't of quality when it scores and sells amazing every year ?

You say quality is subjective but then say quality is actually concrete and based on sales and what journalists think of a game. if quality is really subjective then you really shouldn't be arguing here, just saying that BF fans will enjoy BF and COD fans will enjoy COD.
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#60 The_Pacific
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[QUOTE="The_Pacific"][QUOTE="_VenomX"]

[QUOTE="The_Pacific"]The graphics are better.

But what does that have to do with MW3 outselling and scoring a AA-AAA rating this year ? (like it has consistently for 4 years)Ace6301

Did I mention JUST graphically?

Ummm quality is subjective. How can you say MW3 isn't of quality when it scores and sells amazing every year ?

You say quality is subjective but then say quality is actually concrete and based on sales and what journalists think of a game. if quality is really subjective then you really shouldn't be arguing here, just saying that BF fans will enjoy BF and COD fans will enjoy COD.

I think both players should stop fighting over this and just enjoy the games. But BF fans love to dismiss CoD like its some trash game that's popular only because of its name.
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#61 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="The_Pacific"] Ummm quality is subjective. How can you say MW3 isn't of quality when it scores and sells amazing every year ?The_Pacific
You say quality is subjective but then say quality is actually concrete and based on sales and what journalists think of a game. if quality is really subjective then you really shouldn't be arguing here, just saying that BF fans will enjoy BF and COD fans will enjoy COD.

I think both players should stop fighting over this and just enjoy the games. But BF fans love to dismiss CoD like its some trash game that's popular only because of its name.

Well...Imo it is. It's just my opinion but I've found them to be of equal quality with various F2P FPS games (though not TF2, tf2 sits on a mighty throne of F2Pdome). Also F2Pdome is a legit word according to firefox.
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#62 viper-kid
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="The_Pacific"] Ummm quality is subjective. How can you say MW3 isn't of quality when it scores and sells amazing every year ?The_Pacific
You say quality is subjective but then say quality is actually concrete and based on sales and what journalists think of a game. if quality is really subjective then you really shouldn't be arguing here, just saying that BF fans will enjoy BF and COD fans will enjoy COD.

I think both players should stop fighting over this and just enjoy the games. But BF fans love to dismiss CoD like its some trash game that's popular only because of its name.

I agree with this. BF fans can enjoy what they want but why does every thread have to littered with 'cod sux' even though the thread is about Battlefield. Chubby is always here waiting for a thread to pop up just to twist it into Cod hate as if cod killed his baby or something. Their just butthurt Cod stole the lime light from other FPSes the same happened with Halo.
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[QUOTE="The_Pacific"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] You say quality is subjective but then say quality is actually concrete and based on sales and what journalists think of a game. if quality is really subjective then you really shouldn't be arguing here, just saying that BF fans will enjoy BF and COD fans will enjoy COD. viper-kid
I think both players should stop fighting over this and just enjoy the games. But BF fans love to dismiss CoD like its some trash game that's popular only because of its name.

I agree with this. BF fans can enjoy what they want but why does every thread have to littered with 'cod sux' even though the thread is about Battlefield. Chubby is always here waiting for a thread to pop up just to twist it into Cod hate as if cod killed his baby or something. Their just butthurt Cod stole the lime light from other FPSes the same happened with Halo.

You're the one who seems butthurt, seeing as how you always seem to use numbers in your arguments. Also, why is that i see new users who's name always includes "COD", and why is it that they always make threads about how awesome COD is.

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MW3 may sell more on launch, but the production values of BF3 are so high I cannot imagine MW3 selling the most in the long run. BF3 will be a breakthrough game that pushes Battlefield into the mainstream in the same way that COD4 transformed the Call of Duty series into the bloated behemoth it is today.
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#66 viper-kid
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[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="The_Pacific"] I think both players should stop fighting over this and just enjoy the games. But BF fans love to dismiss CoD like its some trash game that's popular only because of its name.el3m2tigre

I agree with this. BF fans can enjoy what they want but why does every thread have to littered with 'cod sux' even though the thread is about Battlefield. Chubby is always here waiting for a thread to pop up just to twist it into Cod hate as if cod killed his baby or something. Their just butthurt Cod stole the lime light from other FPSes the same happened with Halo.

You're the one who seems butthurt, seeing as how you always seem to use numbers in your arguments. Also, why is that i see new users who's name always includes "COD", and why is it that they always make threads about how awesome COD is.

Sales are a legitimate argument if not why are there daily threads comparing system sales? Xbox has more units sold last month? please you guys just want to stick to your OPINIONS about 'cod sux' while I tell facts. People buy what they find valuable remember the saying 'One mans trash is another man's gold' and it turns out Cod is 'Gold' to more people than BF. 'Casual gamers' are more valuable to the industry than 'core gamers' because they support the devs more which is why devs are 'casualizing' and 'consolizing' every game that appeals to them.
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#67 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"] I agree with this. BF fans can enjoy what they want but why does every thread have to littered with 'cod sux' even though the thread is about Battlefield. Chubby is always here waiting for a thread to pop up just to twist it into Cod hate as if cod killed his baby or something. Their just butthurt Cod stole the lime light from other FPSes the same happened with Halo. viper-kid

You're the one who seems butthurt, seeing as how you always seem to use numbers in your arguments. Also, why is that i see new users who's name always includes "COD", and why is it that they always make threads about how awesome COD is.

Sales are a legitimate argument if not why are there daily threads comparing system sales? Xbox has more units sold last month? please you guys just want to stick to your OPINIONS about 'cod sux' while I tell facts. People buy what they find valuable remember the saying 'One mans trash is another man's gold' and it turns out Cod is 'Gold' to more people than BF. 'Casual gamers' are more valuable to the industry than 'core gamers' because they support the devs more which is why devs are 'casualizing' and 'consolizing' every game that appeals to them.

So...Justine Beiber is the greatest musician of the last 30 years then? We should hope that the music industry follows his example more?
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MW3 may sell more on launch, but the production values of BF3 are so high I cannot imagine MW3 selling the most in the long run. BF3 will be a breakthrough game that pushes Battlefield into the mainstream in the same way that COD4 transformed the Call of Duty series into the bloated behemoth it is today.ActionRemix
Haha whats so revolutionary is BF3? all I see is improvements, Jets and helis have been in previous, destruction has been in previous, tanks have been in previous, graphics never make a game mainstream.
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#69 viper-kid
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[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

You're the one who seems butthurt, seeing as how you always seem to use numbers in your arguments. Also, why is that i see new users who's name always includes "COD", and why is it that they always make threads about how awesome COD is.

Ace6301

Sales are a legitimate argument if not why are there daily threads comparing system sales? Xbox has more units sold last month? please you guys just want to stick to your OPINIONS about 'cod sux' while I tell facts. People buy what they find valuable remember the saying 'One mans trash is another man's gold' and it turns out Cod is 'Gold' to more people than BF. 'Casual gamers' are more valuable to the industry than 'core gamers' because they support the devs more which is why devs are 'casualizing' and 'consolizing' every game that appeals to them.

So...Justine Beiber is the greatest musician of the last 30 years then? We should hope that the music industry follows his example more?

Game industry =/= Music. Different business models.

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How do we know those pictures weren't taken at different times of day?
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#71 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="viper-kid"] Sales are a legitimate argument if not why are there daily threads comparing system sales? Xbox has more units sold last month? please you guys just want to stick to your OPINIONS about 'cod sux' while I tell facts. People buy what they find valuable remember the saying 'One mans trash is another man's gold' and it turns out Cod is 'Gold' to more people than BF. 'Casual gamers' are more valuable to the industry than 'core gamers' because they support the devs more which is why devs are 'casualizing' and 'consolizing' every game that appeals to them.viper-kid

So...Justine Beiber is the greatest musician of the last 30 years then? We should hope that the music industry follows his example more?

Game industry =/= Music. Different business models.

Actually they're quite similar when it comes to business actions. Both are entertainment and thus both tend to emulate what is successful. Please answer the question instead of trying to sidestep it with poor excuses.
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#72 mitu123
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"]Also shows 'core gamers' don't support their devs as much...viper-kid

Did you not see the Battlefield 3 pic where there are a ton of people just waiting in line? Core gamers are supporting their devs very well.

Obviously not financially, BF fans went just for freebies, but at launch they will pirate it. While us Cod fans pay our devs

If they do that I don't think they'll be able to play online now that I hear there's an online pass for consoles as well from what I heard, PC like BC2 always had it.

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#73 viper-kid
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[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] So...Justine Beiber is the greatest musician of the last 30 years then? We should hope that the music industry follows his example more?Ace6301

Game industry =/= Music. Different business models.

Actually they're quite similar when it comes to business actions. Both are entertainment and thus both tend to emulate what is successful. Please answer the question instead of trying to sidestep it with poor excuses.

At the end of the day the kid has a audience which find value (Gold) in what he does. Personally I m not a fan but that's MY OPINION just like everyone who hates him. His music is what this generation likes, just like Cod is what this generation likes. Simple really
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#74 el3m2tigre
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="viper-kid"] Game industry =/= Music. Different business models.

viper-kid

Actually they're quite similar when it comes to business actions. Both are entertainment and thus both tend to emulate what is successful. Please answer the question instead of trying to sidestep it with poor excuses.

At the end of the day the kid has a audience which find value (Gold) in what he does. Personally I m not a fan but that's MY OPINION just like everyone who hates him. His music is what this generation likes, just like Cod is what this generation likes. Simple really

So you're saying he IS the most talented musician?

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[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Actually they're quite similar when it comes to business actions. Both are entertainment and thus both tend to emulate what is successful. Please answer the question instead of trying to sidestep it with poor excuses.el3m2tigre

At the end of the day the kid has a audience which find value (Gold) in what he does. Personally I m not a fan but that's MY OPINION just like everyone who hates him. His music is what this generation likes, just like Cod is what this generation likes. Simple really

So you're saying he IS the most talented musician?

Most talented musician is OPINION not fact. Who is your most talented musician? I bet other will feel he/she is not the most talented.
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How do we know those pictures weren't taken at different times of day?mrmusicman247
Well yeh, of course the picture is bull****.
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[QUOTE="_VenomX"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

I'd rather play MW3. BF3 is the same thing as BC2. Just tacked on prone with jets. same crud reg. I am a Q3A/RA3 playa, I need gud reg.

Not implying mw3 will be any different from the previous MW, but atleast it has awesome funny SP.

BF3 is just BFBC3, and only reason people care about it are graphix, which I don't care about at all.

2scoopsofempty

Don't know if sarcasm or troll.

What I was thinking. That line was expected since EA/DICE did bring a jet and dinosaur.

There are dinosaurs? Going to go pre-order tomorrow morning if true.

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[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"] At the end of the day the kid has a audience which find value (Gold) in what he does. Personally I m not a fan but that's MY OPINION just like everyone who hates him. His music is what this generation likes, just like Cod is what this generation likes. Simple reallyviper-kid

So you're saying he IS the most talented musician?

Most talented musician is OPINION not fact. Who is your most talented musician? I bet other will feel he/she is not the most talented.

He's sold millions of albums and arguably has the biggest fanbase in the music industry and his Music video "Baby ft. Ludacris", if it's of any relevance, has over 600million views. Now, according to your logic, he would qualify as the greatest musician of all time.

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#79 dom2000
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Not one comment on how unlikely these pictures are to be representive of the actual lines of these games? System wars love for BF3 clouding their judgement it would seem! Not very difficult to take a picture of the line when it is busy for mw3 and near empty for BF3 and show the opposite...this means nothing!

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#80 jamejame
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Misinformation at its finest. I'm all for Battlefield 3 outselling MW3 but those pictures aren't representative of anything as MW3 isn't available for pulbic play until tomarrow, hence the emptiness. Epic fail TC.

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#81 el3m2tigre
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Not one comment on how unlikely these pictures are to be representive of the actual lines of these games? System wars love for BF3 clouding their judgement it would seem! Not very difficult to take a picture of the line when it is busy for mw3 and near empty for BF3 and show the opposite...this means nothing!

dom2000

Of course it was fake. But c'mon, tell me you didn't giggle when you saw that.:P

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#82 _VenomX
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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]How do we know those pictures weren't taken at different times of day?AAllxxjjnn
Well yeh, of course the picture is bull****.

Updated pic.  still, more people.

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#83 _VenomX
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Most talented musician is OPINION not fact. Who is your most talented musician? I bet other will feel he/she is not the most talented. el3m2tigre

He's sold millions of albums and arguably has the biggest fanbase in the music industry and his Music video "Baby ft. Ludacris", if it's of any relevance, has over 600million views. Now, according to your logic, he would qualify as the greatest musician of all time.

YesssssssssYes :P

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[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

So you're saying he IS the most talented musician?

el3m2tigre

Most talented musician is OPINION not fact. Who is your most talented musician? I bet other will feel he/she is not the most talented.

He's sold millions of albums and arguably has the biggest fanbase in the music industry and his Music video "Baby ft. Ludacris", if it's of any relevance, has over 600million views. Now, according to your logic, he would qualify as the greatest musician of all time.

You don't understand the greatest musician is an OPINION. Did I say Cod is the greatest game? no just that more people find it valuable. So by your logic MJ didn't have talent just because he had a large fan base and sold millions.
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MW3 is not open to the public until tomorrow.

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#86 ethanradd
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Common sense ...those pictures dont really mean what you are trying to imply -___-

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Haha whats so revolutionary is BF3? all I see is improvements, Jets and helis have been in previous, destruction has been in previous, tanks have been in previous, graphics never make a game mainstream. viper-kid
It is a revolution of production value. Never in my life have I seen a game with assets anywhere near this level. Best animation, graphics, lighting, sound, etc. The most impressive thing to me was the moment when the jeep goes over the hill and enters a convoy of ten vehicles. It just gives you such a sense of scale. As someone else said, the word epic is thrown around a lot, but this was epic. Plus the BF3 theme song is now an extremely retro fuzz chiptune remix of the classic Battlefield theme. I didn't even notice that the sound at the end of all of these trailers was the Battlefield theme until this latest one.
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[QUOTE="viper-kid"]Obviously not financially, BF fans went just for freebies, but at launch they will pirate it. While us Cod fans pay our devs viper-kid

You obviously don't know your facts, and now your insulting Battlefield fans. Black Ops was pirated over 7 million times. Bad Company 2 barely reached 4 mil.

You guys must not be supporting Kotick's pockets enough. Keep getting the same game 4 years in a row with minor changes, same engine, same graphics, and no improvements. I guess that's because Activision just can't afford to improve it.

Huh BF will get demolished. Ask your neighbor...

U Mad Bro?

Stop being deinal because the picture of the line doesen't lie. You're the type of person I think about when it comes to COD fanboys, just go play your Modern Rehash 3 while the "Hardcore gamers" play BF3.

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#89 NiteLights
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[QUOTE="viper-kid"] I agree with this. BF fans can enjoy what they want but why does every thread have to littered with 'cod sux' even though the thread is about Battlefield. Chubby is always here waiting for a thread to pop up just to twist it into Cod hate as if cod killed his baby or something. Their just butthurt Cod stole the lime light from other FPSes the same happened with Halo. viper-kid

You're the one who seems butthurt, seeing as how you always seem to use numbers in your arguments. Also, why is that i see new users who's name always includes "COD", and why is it that they always make threads about how awesome COD is.

Sales are a legitimate argument if not why are there daily threads comparing system sales? Xbox has more units sold last month? please you guys just want to stick to your OPINIONS about 'cod sux' while I tell facts. People buy what they find valuable remember the saying 'One mans trash is another man's gold' and it turns out Cod is 'Gold' to more people than BF. 'Casual gamers' are more valuable to the industry than 'core gamers' because they support the devs more which is why devs are 'casualizing' and 'consolizing' every game that appeals to them.

Sales don't mean anything, there can be amazing games but they will sell less than others. Besides, COD sells so well because every damn 10 year old plays it. Oh, and if you're ' telling facts ', care to prove your second point with some evidence ? Admit it, Call of Duty deserves some of the hate. I mean come on, they didn't even change anything in MW3, the HUD is the exact same as MW2. Get over yourself, COD Fanboy. There are more than three studios working on the COD franchise, yet they barely improve on their games ? DICE is only one studio, yet their engine is ten times better than Infinity Ward/Treyarch's engine.

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[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

You're the one who seems butthurt, seeing as how you always seem to use numbers in your arguments. Also, why is that i see new users who's name always includes "COD", and why is it that they always make threads about how awesome COD is.

NiteLights

Sales are a legitimate argument if not why are there daily threads comparing system sales? Xbox has more units sold last month? please you guys just want to stick to your OPINIONS about 'cod sux' while I tell facts. People buy what they find valuable remember the saying 'One mans trash is another man's gold' and it turns out Cod is 'Gold' to more people than BF. 'Casual gamers' are more valuable to the industry than 'core gamers' because they support the devs more which is why devs are 'casualizing' and 'consolizing' every game that appeals to them.

Sales don't mean anything, there can be amazing games but they will sell less than others. Besides, COD sells so well because every damn 10 year old plays it. Oh, and if you're ' telling facts ', care to prove your second point with some evidence ? Admit it, Call of Duty deserves some of the hate. I mean come on, they didn't even change anything in MW3, the HUD is the exact same as MW2. Get over yourself, COD Fanboy. There are more than three studios working on the COD franchise, yet they barely improve on their games ? DICE is only one studio, yet their engine is ten times better than Infinity Ward/Treyarch's engine.

:lol: sales don't mean anything to the fanboys who can't use them.