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#51 tormentos
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@ronvalencia said:

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I knew this would be the case as soon as the X1 GPU specs were revealed. I even gave the benefit of the doubt to the ESRAM and made the assumption in my comparisons that it would be working at 100% which I knew would not be the case but if I did not do that then Ron would have had an even bigger cry about those comparisons. I always said the advantage would be 40-50% and in reality that gap is closer to 70%+.

BF4 is mostly CU bounded game and GCN will 12 CUs will not exceed GCN with 16 or 18 CUs.

W5000 (12 CU Pitcairn) is already at around 32 fps at 1080p Crysis 2 max details and if the target frame rate was 60 fps, the resolution has to be reduced i.e. looking at 1280x720p for 60 fps target.

Yeah that is your argument now..

We all know how you fiercely defended the xbox one,both against me and him to,look at the crap you still bringing,the W500 that is not the GPU on the xbox one for the 100 time,it is bonaire 7790,even on a die shot reveal is been tag as a 14 CU GPU 2 CU reserve,the same with the PS4 is a 7870 with 2CU disable for yields.

The W500 is 32 ROP and doesn't have a 10% GPU reservation,hell is 825mhz if i am not mistaken,the xbox one GPU is 857mhz that would mean over clocked.

Ron your arguments were all wrong the PS4 version is 900p and still keep a solid 10 FPS advantage on the xbox one version which is 720p,if the PS4 version was 720p the difference would be like 20 FPS or more.

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#52 psymon100
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@psymon100 said:

'clear as day recommendation to the ps4'

well done.

they hardly trashed the xbox one version, though. honestly, i don't think it's a case of one console being gimped and the other console being awesome.

i think about it more like a formula one racing team. you've got two top drivers in your team, they're very close. but - one has the edge over the other. And despite it being a shitty film it's true "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch, or a mile".

wii u is still racing but i'm not sure about formula one.

Stunning win for SONY and the PS4. I expect more of the same with other big multi plats.

Indeed. I would be surprised if any multiplat went the other way.

I wonder - what's going to happen? Will the gap remain marginal, will it widen, or will the gap close - as the gen progresses?

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#53  Edited By tdkmillsy
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@tormentos said:

@ronvalencia said:

@btk2k2 said:

I knew this would be the case as soon as the X1 GPU specs were revealed. I even gave the benefit of the doubt to the ESRAM and made the assumption in my comparisons that it would be working at 100% which I knew would not be the case but if I did not do that then Ron would have had an even bigger cry about those comparisons. I always said the advantage would be 40-50% and in reality that gap is closer to 70%+.

BF4 is mostly CU bounded game and GCN will 12 CUs will not exceed GCN with 16 or 18 CUs.

W5000 (12 CU Pitcairn) is already at around 32 fps at 1080p Crysis 2 max details and if the target frame rate was 60 fps, the resolution has to be reduced i.e. looking at 1280x720p for 60 fps target.

Yeah that is your argument now..

We all know how you fiercely defended the xbox one,both against me and him to,look at the crap you still bringing,the W500 that is not the GPU on the xbox one for the 100 time,it is bonaire 7790,even on a die shot reveal is been tag as a 14 CU GPU 2 CU reserve,the same with the PS4 is a 7870 with 2CU disable for yields.

The W500 is 32 ROP and doesn't have a 10% GPU reservation,hell is 825mhz if i am not mistaken,the xbox one GPU is 857mhz that would mean over clocked.

Ron your arguments were all wrong the PS4 version is 900p and still keep a solid 10 FPS advantage on the xbox one version which is 720p,if the PS4 version was 720p the difference would be like 20 FPS or more.

Now come on the FPS is 2-4fps difference more often than it is 10fps. It may have the lead but there is no need to exaggerate it. Solid implies its all the time nearly which it is not.

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#54 Heil68
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@psymon100 said:

@Heil68 said:

@psymon100 said:

'clear as day recommendation to the ps4'

well done.

they hardly trashed the xbox one version, though. honestly, i don't think it's a case of one console being gimped and the other console being awesome.

i think about it more like a formula one racing team. you've got two top drivers in your team, they're very close. but - one has the edge over the other. And despite it being a shitty film it's true "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch, or a mile".

wii u is still racing but i'm not sure about formula one.

Stunning win for SONY and the PS4. I expect more of the same with other big multi plats.

Indeed. I would be surprised if any multiplat went the other way.

I wonder - what's going to happen? Will the gap remain marginal, will it widen, or will the gap close - as the gen progresses?

Good questions. I think it will be like last gen, except reversed. Small differences and DF touting that the PS4 has the best version of the majority(not all) mulit plat games.

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#55  Edited By tormentos
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@tdkmillsy said:

The resolution difference is what I'd expect ps4 to Xbox One either 720p vs 900p or 900p vs 1080p, in real world gaming it really isn't that big of a difference. The frame rate difference is disappointing but this will become less as they get to grips with the more complex setup.

I have an Xbox One for the exclusive games and experience's, if you where choosing just for multiplats and graphics the decision should be PC. There is still no reason to own a PS4 as the exclusives now and in 2014 baring one potentially good retail game are simply pathetic. PC for multiplats and Xbox One for the exclusive experiances and services (not to mention the fitness for the wife and Kinect for the kids).

Congrats on the numbers (fps and pixels) but the PS4 still doesn't do anything best in the next gen arena (PC, PS4, Xbox One and Wii U).

1. Forza Motorsport 580.84%
2. Dead Rising 378.73%
3. Need for Speed: Rivals78.67%
4. Killer Instinct72.48%
5. Powerstar Golf70.56%
6. Zoo Tycoon69.93%
7. Ryse: Son of Rome61.26%
8. Crimson Dragon59.00%
9. LocoCycle51.80%
10. Fighter Within

25.64%

Meanwhile...

Resogun 83.67%

The Indie game that beat the whole xbox one line up...hahaha

The xbox one line up suck as much is not more than the PS4 one,non of the 2 have something really worth playing this year,you should man up an admit this.

And to think that people flamed Resistance on PS3 when it scored 86% in gamerankings,while Forza has 80% and some how lemming consider it to be great.

No only that the xbox one has what possibly will go down in history as one for the worse exclusives score ever,Fighter Within.

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#56  Edited By tormentos
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@tdkmillsy said:

Now come on the FPS is 2-4fps difference more often than it is 10fps. It may have the lead but there is no need to exaggerate it. Solid implies its all the time nearly which it is not.

Yeah i believe you...hahaha

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X1 has problems handling BF4 in 720p haha. Now imagine what will happen with BF5, probably gonna be 640p all over again

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#58 shurns
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So PS4 looks better and performs better. Ouch.

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#60  Edited By ronvalencia
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@tormentos said:

@ronvalencia said:

@btk2k2 said:

I knew this would be the case as soon as the X1 GPU specs were revealed. I even gave the benefit of the doubt to the ESRAM and made the assumption in my comparisons that it would be working at 100% which I knew would not be the case but if I did not do that then Ron would have had an even bigger cry about those comparisons. I always said the advantage would be 40-50% and in reality that gap is closer to 70%+.

BF4 is mostly CU bounded game and GCN will 12 CUs will not exceed GCN with 16 or 18 CUs.

W5000 (12 CU Pitcairn) is already at around 32 fps at 1080p Crysis 2 max details and if the target frame rate was 60 fps, the resolution has to be reduced i.e. looking at 1280x720p for 60 fps target.

Yeah that is your argument now..

We all know how you fiercely defended the xbox one,both against me and him to,look at the crap you still bringing,the W500 that is not the GPU on the xbox one for the 100 time,it is bonaire 7790,even on a die shot reveal is been tag as a 14 CU GPU 2 CU reserve,the same with the PS4 is a 7870 with 2CU disable for yields.

The W500 is 32 ROP and doesn't have a 10% GPU reservation,hell is 825mhz if i am not mistaken,the xbox one GPU is 857mhz that would mean over clocked.

Ron your arguments were all wrong the PS4 version is 900p and still keep a solid 10 FPS advantage on the xbox one version which is 720p,if the PS4 version was 720p the difference would be like 20 FPS or more.

I wouldn't call my statement on "prototype 7850 with 12 CU will NOT exceed retail 7850 with 16 CU" as a defence for X1 i.e. stops any arguments for any X1 > PS4 and should stop any extreme Lems.

Your brain is only limited to just Xbox 360/Xbox One/Lems vs PS3/PS4/Cows.

For the 100th time, 7790/R7-260 vs 78x0 ASIC codenames are just noise when CU designs are the same.

The reason why I used the prototype 7850 with 12 CU is to cover X1's 32 MB ESRAM and 12 CU at 860Mhz closer to 12 CU at 853 Mhz than 14 CU at 1Ghz.

X1's GPU is clocked at 853Mhz. The "overclock" label is nothing when source vendor sets the ASIC's clock speed and has guaranteed it's warranty. I don't care if Sapphire/AMD release BIOS updates that increase my 7950's or R9-290's clock speed i.e. I just wanted the warranty support.

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I don't recall PS4's BF4 being at 720p LOL. PS4's GCN should be similar to retail 7850-900Mhz. Retail 7850 = 16 working CUs.

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@silversix_ said:

X1 has problems handling BF4 in 720p haha. Now imagine what will happen with BF5, probably gonna be 640p all over again

Clone friendly game console platform (Steam boxes) might catch MS like Google's Andriod for smart phones i.e. Windows Phone 8 is too late for clone friendly smart phone's leadership.

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@ronvalencia said:

@silversix_ said:

X1 has problems handling BF4 in 720p haha. Now imagine what will happen with BF5, probably gonna be 640p all over again

Clone friendly game console platform (Steam boxes) might catch MS like Google's Andriod for smart phones i.e. Windows Phone 8 is too late for clone friendly smart phone's leadership.

oh my god you didn't quote me without 3+ links proving your point. Amazing.

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#63  Edited By TheRealBigRich
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@tdkmillsy said:

The resolution difference is what I'd expect ps4 to Xbox One either 720p vs 900p or 900p vs 1080p, in real world gaming it really isn't that big of a difference. The frame rate difference is disappointing but this will become less as they get to grips with the more complex setup.

I have an Xbox One for the exclusive games and experience's, if you where choosing just for multiplats and graphics the decision should be PC. There is still no reason to own a PS4 as the exclusives now and in 2014 baring one potentially good retail game are simply pathetic. PC for multiplats and Xbox One for the exclusive experiances and services (not to mention the fitness for the wife and Kinect for the kids).

Congrats on the numbers (fps and pixels) but the PS4 still doesn't do anything best in the next gen arena (PC, PS4, Xbox One and Wii U).

this

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@timbers_WSU: Dat timbers butthurt hahahaha.

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I like the hardware and UI of ps4 , but I like the games of Xbox one like Halo.

But I also think ps4 will be better supported in the future than Xbox one (getting more niche stuff I like besides AAA movies), but I only want to buy one next gen console.

:( I guess I'm going to continue to be undecided.

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#66  Edited By timbers_WSU
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@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@timbers_WSU: Dat timbers butthurt hahahaha.

Ahh yes. Another useless post from the resident 2nd grade education product.

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@Ghost120x:

I am right there with you. I will only buy one system and still can not decide what I want to get. I've been an Xbox guy since the original came out. The thought of moving over to Sony is not comforting. However, I may need to do so as the Xbox seems not as future proof or as powerful. I really do not know what MS was thinking when they designed this system. It just seems that the Kinect and all the multimedia features are gimmicky and will be an after thought after a few months...at least that is the vide that I'm getting.

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#68  Edited By YD_11
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Fan boys, i guess the actual gaming experience is still better on X1 according to IGN. The resolution and frame rate may even out in the end but the online performance and qualities the X1 has over ps4 will likely remain.

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@timbers_WSU said:

@Mr-Kutaragi said:

@timbers_WSU: Dat timbers butthurt hahahaha.

Ahh yes. Another useless post from the resident 2nd grade education product.

Dat staymad. "Xbox: sell my personal information to telemarketers"

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@timbers_WSU: But it is worth owning one, I should know I have one. Better versions of multiplats alone make it worth owning if you care about any of the games.

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#71 JamDev
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Good news that Dice have fixed the issues with the Xbone version from the original DF comparison.

The over sharpened, limited RGB, high contrast version of the game that lemmings claimed looked so much better than the PS4 because it "popped" has been fixed, now it's just a lower res, lower frame rate version of the PS4 game.

I expect those guys claiming the Xbone version looked better will be along any minute now to eat some crow.

Any minute now...

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@YD_11 said:

Fan boys, i guess the actual gaming experience is still better on X1 according to IGN. The resolution and frame rate may even out in the end but the online performance and qualities the X1 has over ps4 will likely remain.

Link?

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#73  Edited By handssss
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@tdkmillsy said:

The resolution difference is what I'd expect ps4 to Xbox One either 720p vs 900p or 900p vs 1080p, in real world gaming it really isn't that big of a difference. The frame rate difference is disappointing but this will become less as they get to grips with the more complex setup.

I have an Xbox One for the exclusive games and experience's, if you where choosing just for multiplats and graphics the decision should be PC. There is still no reason to own a PS4 as the exclusives now and in 2014 baring one potentially good retail game are simply pathetic. PC for multiplats and Xbox One for the exclusive experiances and services (not to mention the fitness for the wife and Kinect for the kids).

Congrats on the numbers (fps and pixels) but the PS4 still doesn't do anything best in the next gen arena (PC, PS4, Xbox One and Wii U).

Yes. because as we all know, Microsoft is the better of the 2 companies when it comes to creating new exclusives each and every gen and continuing to provide them year after year to continue pleasing their core gaming audience.

And games like this show. Yeah the multiplats run better on ps4, but that doesn't make it worth.... $100 less to purchase...

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#74 Joedgabe
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It's okay for a fist try at the new consoles. PC is superior but we can't say by that much more any more.

A bit off topic... but how is BF4? is it more or less the same as BF3?

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@JamDev said:

Good news that Dice have fixed the issues with the Xbone version from the original DF comparison.

The over sharpened, limited RGB, high contrast version of the game that lemmings claimed looked so much better than the PS4 because it "popped" has been fixed, now it's just a lower res, lower frame rate version of the PS4 game.

I expect those guys claiming the Xbone version looked better will be along any minute now to eat some crow.

Any minute now...

There were a LOT of them, and I don't see them in this thread now.

Talkin' out dey azz.

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@j2zon2591 said:

Xboxers like shimmering:

Only on Xbox !