Battlefield V First Ray Tracing Benchmarks In...

...and as expected it slaughters your framerate :P.

Note: DXR = Ray tracing

Source: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/battlefield-v-raytracing-features-are-now-enabled.html

You can go to the source to find benchmarks for RTX 2080 and 2070 cards, but they're essentially the same trend (just with lower initial framerates).

This basically crosses out any hope of next gen consoles incorporating ray tracing, as even the lowest setting is a massive performance hit.

Yeah so what's the point in having RTX hw on the cards that aren't 2080ti again?

PC is like Trump.....it can't stop winning.

Yeah, this was expected. I knew the RT cores were shit and would be a bottleneck. Anybody who bought an RTX card expecting to have good ray tracing performance is going to be disappointed.

I have not enabled DXR yet. I will try it when I get home later tonight.

Thats insane.

Luckily games like Metro are using the RT cores for things other than reflections.

The full RT reflections take so much to run, sacrificing resolution isnt worth it to me.

Id rather have the RT cores go to proper shadows and ambient occlusion.

The hit to performance is significantly less.

I don't know y'all, I'm kinda diggin it

@howmakewood: Keep in mind that this is only one incorporation of RTX. Furthermore, RTX also touts DLSS. It's possible that later iterations of RTX in games are more manageable than what we see here. This may be especially true if they're developed with the technology in mind rather than patched in.

Only time will truly tell, but I agree with @BassMan that buying the current RTX line expecting high framerates with full utilization is an unrealistic expectation.

Obviously it looks good, but what is your frame rate though? I will try it later tonight at 3440x1440 to have a good laugh. I certainly won't be playing the game at 1080p low frame rate just for some better reflections. Screen space reflections already look good as well.

Not worth the hit to framerates. Also no way I'll be caught dead gaming in 1080p on my PC, it's 1440p< or bust.

@BassMan: I’m playing at 1440p. The frame rate is pretty bad, I’ll admit. I get dips into the mid 40’s on the big maps or Rotterdam, but the difference between DXR on and off is stunning. The strange thing is, it seems like the CPU’s (me, folks on Era and YouTube) seem to be getting hit harder than the GPUs. Something is funny there.

I tried at 1080p and it was just too damn blurry. Even on a 27” monitor. I don’t know how folks play like that sitting that close

Am I the only one that sees ray tracing as useless ? It just makes games look more realistic and has 0 effect on the fun factor or gameplay at all.(Really great graphics are useless and just make developments more expensive and development times much longer)

I knew this whole RTX would blow up in Nvidia faces when they hype Raytracing to hell since announce, it's just too damn demanding. But I do understand RT is in it's early stage of gaming life, I'm sure the tech will improve overtime but for now, this is just a wait and see how it does few more years as the tech improves. Much similar to VR as it's still in the early stages.

That said, I'm keeping my GTX 1080Ti until the 30XX series release.

Battlefield V (PC) is the graphics king of the entire gen.

We're going to need to rely on VR to get raytracing really going at high resolutions and high framerates without large performance dips. Otherwise it's going to be a long time before we see 4K 60 completely raytraced games that also want to push high fidelity graphics.

Maybe all that work will help refine optimization for raytraced pipelines.

Raytracing can have an effect on gameplay, because you can use it to simulate other effects like audio propagation. You have to understand that this is still early for raytracing. The eventual goal is for entire games to be raytraced without rasterization, which is the only way to achieve complete photorealism in dynamic scenes.

Except it's been shown that the majority of pc users never use max settings.

Also, midterm loss like a mf. Just sayin.

Also, he's never getting that wall.

Not our problem =)

SW discusses a high end gaming PC by default, as it's a gaming forum. Just like how Gamespot and Digital Foundry does. Just like we automatically default to XB1X or PSPRO even though most console gamers don't own those (and there are less of them than high end gaming PCs, mind you). If it makes you feel better, imagine the words "high end" are before the acronym "PC" every time you see it here.

PC objectively is winning for hardware.

Oh and Trump saved USA.

@mclarenmaster18: From the video's I honestly thought BF5 looked a bit inconsistent. There are some ugly textures and vegetation going on there.

@X_CAPCOM_X: Yeah, looks like we have a new graphics king in town... for now, until more games start using RTX.

Waste of time at the moment. I won't be utilizing RTX until we at least hit 60@4k.

You will be waiting a long time. If they can achieve a solid 1440p/60fps with the next gen RTX cards, I think that would be a good progression. 1080p/60fps~ is not impressive for an enthusiast product.

Oh, I expect to be waiting for a few years. I was psyched to hit up the 2080ti... It was so disappointing that I stuck with my 1070. For now, i'll upgrade for base performance, without all the fluffery.

If there was a 2080 Ti version without the RTX bullshit for a decent price, I would have bought that instead. However, I know they are forcing it to establish a decent install base for the tech to advance. Otherwise not many people would adopt it in its current state.

That's where the issue lies. Nvidia sees a future market, so they push pre-adolescent hardware to recuperate costs. Unfortunately, consumers are suckers.

@XVision84 said:

...and as expected it slaughters your framerate :P.

Note: DXR = Ray tracing

Source: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/battlefield-v-raytracing-features-are-now-enabled.html

You can go to the source to find benchmarks for RTX 2080 and 2070 cards, but they're essentially the same trend (just with lower initial framerates).

This basically crosses out any hope of next gen consoles incorporating ray tracing, as even the lowest setting is a massive performance hit.

Note: http://cgicoffee.com/blog/2018/03/what-is-nvidia-rtx-directx-dxr

Reality check. What is NVIDIA RTX Technology? What is DirectX DXR? Here's what they can and cannot do

RTX (in case of real-time ray tracing) it's a sophisticated temporal point sample denoiser coupled with a low (really low, like 1 SPP low) ray traced data designed to cut frame conversion time to values acceptable for real-time applications.

AI based pixel reconstruction/denoiser process runs on Tensor cores.

RT cores process ray tracing workloads

CUDA cores process normal raster compute.

These discrete compute units not unified compute units.

I will admit that I am a sucker for buying a 2080 Ti at the ridiculous price, but it was the only upgrade path for me from a 1080 Ti. 3440x1440/120hz is very demanding and I needed the extra rasterization performance. I won't be using the ray tracing much. I will probably just try it out on games that feature it, but it is not something I will play with regularly due to the shit performance. AMD and Intel need to up their game with dedicated high end GPUs because there is no competition. That is why Nvidia gets away with this shit.

Actually there is a far more sinister theory going around.

1 - Nvidia needed to get rid of a large amount of 1080Ti, 1080 and 1070 stock after producing too much during the crypto-craze
2 - Nvidia and their partners weren't ready for a mass market card just yet. Die size and GDDR6 costs for example...
3 - Nvidia makes the RTX line, sells it more above cost than usual
4 - Nvidia, by doing this makes their older line that they have tons of stock of look appealing to the majority of PC gamers
5 - This buys Nvidia time for the "real" next gen cards while helping them get through the old GPU stock they're sitting on
6 - If AMD's GPU's were worth a damn, none of this would be happening...

It's sinister, but viable. Assuming they keep production of the RTX line low enough. Definitely doable.

What's even more sinister is the GTX 1080 Ti pricing in Canada. You'd think that the new RTX line would lead to 1080 Ti price drops, but nope. Some of them are retailing at RTX 2080 Ti prices!

If by winning you mean faking it...then sure.

Just to be sure you understand....the RTX cards don’t even do actual Ray Tracing.

Its fake Ray Tracing.

But have at it with your $1500 GPU to do fake stuff so you can claim grafix K1ng on a forum.

PC doesn't need this to be graphics king. You seem super upset about 2nd/3rd place.

Looks great on my PC even without RTX. I likes it.

I seem upset bc I’m pointing out a fact?

Thats how you hermits want it. Now I’m upset for doing so?

I‘m just pointing out that you seem really excited about something that is fake.

come on...stop being bitter about buying a $3000 PC to play indies.

I'm sure it's a great looking feature, and probably some people will turn it on for SP to look at the pretty graphics. But in MP, the main focus of BF, most people are probably going to turn off that sort of shit to get the best frame rate and remove any distracting effects

Hmm, might be a bit much for my gt 555m.

honestly you seem to be the person who is the most bitter about PC gaming

LOL. Hey I have one of those in my old lenovo laptop. I would get 40+ FPS in all low settings 1366x768 :D (and 97C Temps)

@dxmcat: Haha yes. Not a problem if you only play Space Cadet Pinball though. :P

Are you suggesting PC is not winning in hardware? That appears to be an alternative fact.

@that_old_guy said:

come on...stop being bitter about buying a $3000 PC to play indies.

BFV is an indy?

You mad?

What about @zaryia's posts convey excitement? By-and-large, they seem rather level, and simply convey his/her points.

My $3000CAD PC (thereabouts) doesn't solely play indies, nor would I need a $3000 PC to do so. Currently, i'm playing BFV (Origin Premier) at 60fps/1080p.

Performance is where it was expected to be...........but it's too soon for ray tracing.

Nvidia would of better off just doubling shader, ROP and TMU count over the 1080ti and going for ~2x 1080ti performance with the 2080ti rather then the 30%+RT they gave it instead.

Here's a video....... power consumption drops when RTX is turned on the cards are bottlenecked by the RTX cores.

Stupid really as DirectXR was designed to run on compute shaders so it can run on all vendors and architectures, had Nvidia of done what I said in my post above this and doubled shader count and thus doubled GPU compute performance they more then likely would of delivered better RTX performance they what they have currently.

What is ray tracing and where can I get one?

The mistake they made was with marketing, real time ray tracing (in itself) is a huge leap in graphics rendering

"Real time ray tracing" marketing is misleading to the average consumer.

People assume ray tracing is just reflections, but in fact that is the most widely known (and most expensive) application of it.

Ray tracing is simply the rays generated and processed. It can be applied to many, many different elements in a scene.

Real shadows, real lighting, ambient shadows and occlusion, AI pathing, sound bounce, etc.

What they should have done was give tech demos and application comparisons out to the public so that people dont just automatically think "real time reflections"

Being able to process ANYTHING in a full 3D scene in real time is a huge step forward.

As usual, Nvidia fumbled it due to rushing it out and lack of competition.

The future of ray tracing (itself) is bright once developers start using it for OTHER things like things mentioned above.

Metro Exodus and Tomb Raider are good examples

Only people who don't know how it works says that...... consoles could easily have more RT power then RTX if they have good GPU compute performance.

Hey, can I ask: How much FPS do you get with future frame rendering turned off ?

For me it hovers slightly above 60. With just a bit too many dips below 60.

It plays extremely smooth, it feels way better than it should. But sometimes the dips are really noticable. Especially with lots of stuff going on, I think the game dips below 40.

@scatteh316: I'll take my odds and bet that a $400-$500 system released in 1-2 years won't have ray tracing at 4k 30fps. Especially considering AMD's chips will be used.

I'd love to be wrong though!

@mandzilla: Naw you're fine. Give it a little bit of an overclock and start tracing those rays, bud ;).

Good plan, what could go wrong! :D