Benchmarks are set by consoles, not PC.

Obviously consoles are holding back PC games(graphically anyway), the evidence is right in front of your face. People go out and spend a lot of money on upgrading for no good reason. Most PC games are multiplats, and they look quite identical to their console counterparts. Yeah sure, you get higher res, but really...with the tech available, games should look 10x better on pc. They don't. Not even PC exclusives look that much better than console exclusives. This is why it doesn't make sense to upgrade unless if you are just future proofing your PC.

You pay $300-400 on a new gpu, it will only be worth it when the next gen consoles hits store shelves. Which...evidently will cost about the same amount you payed for your new hardware in your pc a year before. PC games won't look as good as they should right now, until the newer consoles are out. One game(Crysis) isn't much to justify upgrading.

Developers might not want to alienate some PC users using old tech like blizzard did with SC2. I don't think its just consoles :?

You lost me at most PC Gamers are multiplats.Birdy09

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]You lost me at most PC Gamers are multiplats.percech

Like Crysis? Wait.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]You lost me at most PC Gamers are multiplats.percech

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]You lost me at most PC Gamers are multiplats.percech

lol

edit: I'll be fair and add to the topic...

I am happy you live in a world where you can have an opinion.

I dont know Arma 2 looks incredible and the witcher 2 is looking good.

Your thread should be titled "PC hardware isn't pushed very well nowadays".

It's nothing new though. Back in the days when there were still many big budget PC games there were also complaints from some users. For example Pixel Shaders were badly supported and the Voodoo 3 cards held back the industry.

Benchmarks are set by the PC but sometimes consoles have an advantage.

For example Quake 1 was the most technically prolific game in 1996 but Mario 64 looked much better (atleast to me).

Most PC games are multiplats, and they look quite identical to their console counterparts.

percech

No, they are not. Seems pretty arbitrary... Define "quite identical".

Yeah sure, you get higher res, but really...with the tech available, games should look 10x better on pc. They don't.

percech

If technology were the only thing involved in progressing drastically with what is available today, then yes. Naturally, more is involved, such as budget, dev time, and aiming to a particular audience.

Not even PC exclusives look that much better than console exclusives.

percech

Yes, they do. Certain ones do not. Games like Crysis, Crysis Warhead, The Witcher 2, Shogun 2, Metro 2033 (not exclusive) say otherwise.

Not even PC exclusives look that much better than console exclusives.

percech

Oh dear. And you were doing so well, too...

Funny. DICE has said that their console ports of BF3 are benifiting greatly becuase of them pushing the PC to it's limits.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]You lost me at most PC Gamers are multiplats.percech

LOl. Clearly you and I don't play the same "good" games.

Most PC games are multiplats, and they look quite identical to their console counterparts.

percech

It is madness to say that multiplats "look quite identical", is the same like saying a pc from 2006 will play games at the same level like today's pc's which is just crazy wrong. I mean really do you think that playing a game with 1280x720, low-medium setting, 25-30fps is the same like playing with 1920x1200, high setting, 60fps?

pc is holding pc back no devs want to make a game for the 6990

Console game are typically more optimized because the hardware is a closed hardware cycle. Nonstop-Madness

pc is holding pc back no devs want to make a game for the 6990

dontshackzmii

That isn't an inherent problem with the system itself. It's a myriad of issues that rear their head, such as target audience and budget.

One of the things I don't understand very well, though, is that DX11 (and even DX10) aren't utilized well.

The fact is that Crysis already used all that DX10 had on offer as well as Metro 2033 used everything DX11 had.

It's not the devs' fault that MS made DX10 and DX11 so poor.

Of course you have tech demos which look a lot better than games but those are just that, tech demos.

A DX11 game using the graphics of the Heaven benchmark would lag horribly on all but the best hardware and obviously they're not going to go for that.

You lost me at most PC Gamers are multiplats.Birdy09

Wait, so I'm a multiplat? Pretty cool I guess, I looked myself on metacritic though and no one has reviewed me for any system. I am a little disappointed now.

Even if your points were true (which they are not) they don't prove your overall argument. The only thing that would make consoles set the benchmark is if they had the BEST looking games in the entire gaming industry, and they obviously don't.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]You lost me at most PC Gamers are multiplats.SPYDER0416

Wait, so I'm a multiplat? Pretty cool I guess, I looked myself on metacritic though and no one has reviewed me for any system. I am a little disappointed now.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]You lost me at most PC Gamers are multiplats.percech

it has more high scoring exclusives than all three consoles put together.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]You lost me at most PC Gamers are multiplats.SPYDER0416

Wait, so I'm a multiplat? Pretty cool I guess, I looked myself on metacritic though and no one has reviewed me for any system. I am a little disappointed now.

I can't say I agree with this at all. It is true, of course, that the majority of games on all systems are multiplatform games and those games do not push the PC nearly as far as it is capable. Nevertheless, there are numerous benefits to playing said games on the PC.

To me just the ability to play at 60fps vs 20-30fps is a hugely significant improvement that makes games way better. Games are constantly in movement and 30fps makes a game look blurry. Image quality at 60fps, on the other hand, remains sharp and defined even with relatively fast movement occuring. Aside from the graphical boost due to the increased temporal resolution (higher frame rate) there is also a significant improvement to the way the game plays. 60fps gives you a crispness and responsiveness in the controls that makes games much more enjoyable to play.

Your thread should be titled "PC hardware isn't pushed very well nowadays".

It's nothing new though. Back in the days when there were still many big budget PC games there were also complaints from some users. For example Pixel Shaders were badly supported and the Voodoo 3 cards held back the industry.

Benchmarks are set by the PC but sometimes consoles have an advantage.

For example Quake 1 was the most technically prolific game in 1996 but Mario 64 looked much better (atleast to me).

nameless12345

Even if your points were true (which they are not) they don't prove your overall argument. The only thing that would make consoles set the benchmark is if they had the BEST looking games in the entire gaming industry, and they obviously don't.

Barbariser

But what makes a game "the best looking" ?

For example Gran Turismo 5 has the most realistic looking cars this gen yet I doubt PC gamers would admit it does.

Furthermore games like God of War 3 and Uncharted and even Mario Galaxy are widely considered great-looking despite not using the best possible tech.

You guys can't even argue against the fact that you're wasting your money for nothing right now. Why not just wait until the new consoles hit and then you can decide whether to buy one of the newer consoles or just upgrade your pc? Multiplats are very identical to each other, there's no denying that. Higher res doesn't change a thing.percech

You guys can't even argue against the fact that you're wasting your money for nothing right now. Why not just wait until the new consoles hit and then you can decide whether to buy one of the newer consoles or just upgrade your pc? Multiplats are very identical to each other, there's no denying that. Higher res doesn't change a thing.percech

[QUOTE="percech"]You guys can't even argue against the fact that you're wasting your money for nothing right now. Why not just wait until the new consoles hit and then you can decide whether to buy one of the newer consoles or just upgrade your pc? Multiplats are very identical to each other, there's no denying that. Higher res doesn't change a thing.Arach666

You guys can't even argue against the fact that you're wasting your money for nothing right now. Why not just wait until the new consoles hit and then you can decide whether to buy one of the newer consoles or just upgrade your pc? Multiplats are very identical to each other, there's no denying that. Higher res doesn't change a thing.percech

Simply stating something doesn't make it true. Multiplats are far from identical.

If multiplats on consoles and PC are identical then I guess we would have to consider movies on VHS and Blu-ray as identical. Yes, the content is the same, but the visual experience is vastly different.

Morevoer, the differences between consoles and PC on multiplats is much greater than that between VHS and Blu-ray. Multiplats on PC not only give you the advantage of much higher resolutions, but they also do away with things like screen tearing, slow framerates, poor texture filtering, and ugly jaggies, which are very common problems on consoles and which destroy image quality.

i think this is flat out wrong.. .but a lot of the best PC exclusives are usually budget dev's to moderate, just look at games like amnesia/mount and blade/ x3, none of those games are really pushign the PC, x3 more on the processor though

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="Birdy09"]You lost me at most PC Gamers are multiplats.110million

I'd like to see consoles run stalker without any changes to the game and crysis would be a slide show in it's current form on consoles. imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]I'd like to see consoles run stalker without any changes to the game and crysis would be a slide show in it's current form on consoles. PC_Otter

That's why even though the scale of Crysis 2 was lowered the consoles still had a hard time running that game. I have it on PC and I played in on a friend's 360 and the difference is quite large. The 360 version has very obnoxious texture and geometry pop-in, the aliasing is quite bad, and the frame rate dips below 20fps. The lighting also isn't as advanced in the console versions--they are missing shadows in places, for example.

Still, it looks better than most games on consoles. It's just that you can see how it had to be scaled back.

[QUOTE="percech"]You guys can't even argue against the fact that you're wasting your money for nothing right now. Why not just wait until the new consoles hit and then you can decide whether to buy one of the newer consoles or just upgrade your pc? Multiplats are very identical to each other, there's no denying that. Higher res doesn't change a thing.Arach666

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="percech"]You guys can't even argue against the fact that you're wasting your money for nothing right now. Why not just wait until the new consoles hit and then you can decide whether to buy one of the newer consoles or just upgrade your pc? Multiplats are very identical to each other, there's no denying that. Higher res doesn't change a thing.percech

Haha..you think you are the only one here with a rig and the consoles? Lots of people here have the same setup. I own a nice rig and all of the consoles.

I can experience it all. That's why my judgment is greater than yours and most peoples' here.percech

If your judgement is better, how come you stated:

Most PC games are multiplats

percech

Hmmmm...

and they look quite identical to their console counterparts.

percech

Really? Seems pretty general, as i'm sure they don't all look identical... Or even close.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="percech"]You guys can't even argue against the fact that you're wasting your money for nothing right now. Why not just wait until the new consoles hit and then you can decide whether to buy one of the newer consoles or just upgrade your pc? Multiplats are very identical to each other, there's no denying that. Higher res doesn't change a thing.percech

I don't know about benchmarks but for me, the soul of gaming is on consoles. It's the purest experience of gaming.GunSmith1_basic

Na. Too consolized. :P

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]I'd like to see consoles run stalker without any changes to the game and crysis would be a slide show in it's current form on consoles. kalipekona

That's why even though the scale of Crysis 2 was lowered the consoles still had a hard time running that game. I have it on PC and I played in on a friend's 360 and the difference is quite large. The 360 version has very obnoxious texture and geometry pop-in, the aliasing is quite bad, and the frame rate dips below 20fps. The lighting also isn't as advanced in the console versions--they are missing shadows in places, for example.

Still, it looks better than most games on consoles. It's just that you can see how it had to be scaled back.