Benchmarks are set by consoles, not PC.

It's kinda true. All depends on the crowd you're in though. But for most of America consoles are the only platform considered when talking about any type of benchmark. Kinda how MGS4 can win graphical awards over Crysis on this very site.i5750at4Ghz

To be fair, it won against Crysis Warhead, Crysis was the year before.

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]I'd like to see consoles run stalker without any changes to the game and crysis would be a slide show in it's current form on consoles. yellosnolvr

PC gaming is superior in many respects, but that is irrelevant. Gaming isn't about what is 'superior', except for a lot of advocates of PC gaming I suppose. Console gaming is how gaming exists in popular culture. It's where the money is, it's where the art is, and it's where every developer wants to be. If gaming is so important to you that you are willing to invest a lot of time and money on just getting them to run (in other words if it becomes a hobby for you) then PC is the best platform hands down. Superior platformGunSmith1_basic

The 8800GTS 320 MB I had a long time ago maxed it out with ease @ 1440 x 900. Lower the res to 720p, and the 360 at least should have no problem with it. Hell 8600 GTs don't have too much of an issue running the game at higher settings.PC_Otter

I can't max it at 14x9 using a 5850... Like, literally turning everything to max and forcing 8xAA... it drops down to something like 20fps.

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"] The 8800GTS 320 MB I had a long time ago maxed it out with ease @ 1440 x 900. Lower the res to 720p, and the 360 at least should have no problem with it. Hell 8600 GTs don't have too much of an issue running the game at higher settings.rpgs_shall_rule

I can't max it at 14x9 using a 5850... Like, literally turning everything to max and forcing 8xAA... it drops down to something like 20fps.

Well, you are right. No one gives a sweaty damn about pc. It has to be consoles, bnechmarks are about consoles and how games run on those consoles. When a company sells an engine, they sell it with how well it can work on consoles rather pc. Perhaps in the next gen of consoles things will change but i doubt it considering when x360 came out it was far superior than anything pc had to offer.dakan45

Far superior... man your so full of console fanboy power lol.

That's because they have to do their best on fixed hardware, even though there are other PC games than Crysis that look better than most console games.

Plus consoles get a lot of attention.

Obviously consoles are holding back PC games(graphically anyway), the evidence is right in front of your face. People go out and spend a lot of money on upgrading for no good reason. Most PC games are multiplats, and they look quite identical to their console counterparts. Yeah sure, you get higher res, but really...with the tech available, games should look 10x better on pc. They don't. Not even PC exclusives look that much better than console exclusives. This is why it doesn't make sense to upgrade unless if you are just future proofing your PC.

You pay $300-400 on a new gpu, it will only be worth it when the next gen consoles hits store shelves. Which...evidently will cost about the same amount you payed for your new hardware in your pc a year before. PC games won't look as good as they should right now, until the newer consoles are out. One game(Crysis) isn't much to justify upgrading.

percech

1. There are more high scoring PC exclusives than all consoles combined.

2. There are simple mods to add to multiplats to make them look 2 - 3 generations ahead that use PC hardware.

3. The difference betwen GTA IV (consoles) and GTA IV (PC)

Consoles

PC screenshots (GTA IV + ENB)

Your thread is wrong.

Most PC games are multiplats, and they look quite identical to their console counterparts. percech

I suggest you read Kevin Van Ord's review of DMC 4 on the PC, then go and run it. It's optimized for both 64-bit and DX 10.;)

The graphics are tremendously ahead of the consoles, and the PC Version has a benchmarking section that allows you to run through parts of the game to see your specs.:o

Those GTA shots are nice, but those are mods. So your argument is void.percech

Those GTA shots are nice, but those are mods. So your argument is void.percech

Wrong, its a few files which make ENB, which you simply copy paste and copy paste a custom config., and that's it.

Secondly, you said:

People go out and spend a lot of money on upgrading for no good reason. Most PC games are multiplats, and they look quite identical to their console counterparts. Yeah sure, you get higher res, but really...with the tech available, games should look 10x better on pc.

Horribly wrong. Mods usually take full advantage of PC hardware, and are a main PC feature. Ignoring them is your mistake, but denying their existence is plain biased on your part.

Again, your thread is wrong.

+ The fact that PC has more high scoring exclusives than all 3 petty consoles combined.

The good ones.percech

Seeing all these posts I always get sad that Shattered Horizon gets left out of these graphics discussions :( I realy like that game

Those GTA shots are nice, but those are mods. So your argument is void.percech

Games like Bulletstorm, Dragon Age 2 and many others on the PC have higher resolution textures, much better anti-aliasing. better texture filtering, higher precision effects, more than twice the frame rate, and more than twice the resolution of their console counterparts. And you are going to sit here and say there is no difference? You're ignorant and blind, plain and simple.

Those GTA shots are nice, but those are mods. So your argument is void.percech

Why would mods not count? Often times, developers give the community the ability to mod their games. It looks like you are trying to ad arbitrary limitations again... Remember how that went last time? It ended with you ignoring my post :lol:

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="percech"]

Most PC games are multiplats, and they look quite identical to their console counterparts.

lowe0

It is madness to say that multiplats "look quite identical", is the same like saying a pc from 2006 will play games at the same level like today's pc's which is just crazy wrong. I mean really do you think that playing a game with 1280x720, low-medium setting, 25-30fps is the same like playing with 1920x1200, high setting, 60fps?

You pretty much said that it is the same think to play a game with 1280x720, low-medium setting, 25-30fps and the same like playing with 1920x1200, high setting, 60fps. That is tell me that you are a hardcore console gamer that cannot accept that pc have much better graphics.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

It is madness to say that multiplats "look quite identical", is the same like saying a pc from 2006 will play games at the same level like today's pc's which is just crazy wrong. I mean really do you think that playing a game with 1280x720, low-medium setting, 25-30fps is the same like playing with 1920x1200, high setting, 60fps?

MK-Professor

You pretty much said that it is the same think to play a game with 1280x720, low-medium setting, 25-30fps and the same like playing with 1920x1200, high setting, 60fps. That is tell me that you are a hardcore console gamer that cannot accept that pc have much better graphics.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Honestly? Yes, I can see a difference, but it's not big enough for me to worry about. Games like Haze, Black Ops PS3 or SC: Conviction 360 look pretty bad, but Crysis 2 PS3 looked fine (and yes, I've played Crysis 2 PC at 1080p).lowe0

You pretty much said that it is the same think to play a game with 1280x720, low-medium setting, 25-30fps and the same like playing with 1920x1200, high setting, 60fps. That is tell me that you are a hardcore console gamer that cannot accept that pc have much better graphics.

The difference are big, in fact the 60fps vs 30fps on its own is a deciding factor to play multipats on pc, without even consider the 1920x1200, high setting, more AA, AF, bigger FOV etc.

Those GTA shots are nice, but those are mods. So your argument is void.percech

So mods don't count, anything else you want to take away from the PC ?

Also, it didn't even need mods to look better then consoles, but it does look even better with the mod.

[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"] The 8800GTS 320 MB I had a long time ago maxed it out with ease @ 1440 x 900. Lower the res to 720p, and the 360 at least should have no problem with it. Hell 8600 GTs don't have too much of an issue running the game at higher settings.PC_Otter

I can't max it at 14x9 using a 5850... Like, literally turning everything to max and forcing 8xAA... it drops down to something like 20fps.

So am I. I should add that I'm using SoC Complete though.

] What I said is that I see a difference, but not one that would be a deciding factor. If it were, wouldn't I just play on PC?

lowe0

That's fine. You prefer console gaming and don't mind console graphics, and it's your choice. However, that's different from what the TC is claiming: that the difference is either non-existent or negligible. That's just outright wrong.

Lucianu

Damn, that looks good.

*Realizes that's the console version. Scrolls down*

Goddamnit. >.>

Not much to say that people already haven't said....

Good points lundy_86 and lucianu.

And as for the OP, i read all your arguments and posts in this thread, and after that I happened to read the first line of your signature.

And then I lol'ed so hard I almost fell out of my chair. Fair and balanced indeed.:lol:

[QUOTE="percech"]

Obviously consoles are holding back PC games(graphically anyway), the evidence is right in front of your face. People go out and spend a lot of money on upgrading for no good reason. Most PC games are multiplats, and they look quite identical to their console counterparts. Yeah sure, you get higher res, but really...with the tech available, games should look 10x better on pc. They don't. Not even PC exclusives look that much better than console exclusives. This is why it doesn't make sense to upgrade unless if you are just future proofing your PC.

You pay $300-400 on a new gpu, it will only be worth it when the next gen consoles hits store shelves. Which...evidently will cost about the same amount you payed for your new hardware in your pc a year before. PC games won't look as good as they should right now, until the newer consoles are out. One game(Crysis) isn't much to justify upgrading.

Lucianu

1. There are more high scoring PC exclusives than all consoles combined.

2. There are simple mods to add to multiplats to make them look 2 - 3 generations ahead that use PC hardware.

3. The difference betwen GTA IV (consoles) and GTA IV (PC)

Those GTA shots are nice, but those are mods. So your argument is void.percech

Why shouldnt mods count? they are a clear example of how PC gaming is superior to console gaming. In a console fanboy's world gaming PC cost $5000, crash and have problems all the time, is full of pirates, doesnt look any better, has no games and there is no such things as mods.

The reason why mods shouldn't count is because it's not made by the devs. It's not released that way at all. The game was released much uglier then that. It's how you know pc gamers get desperate to show console gamers how much(supposedly) better it looks on PC, when in reality the differences are only higher res. I for one don't get easily impressed. I don't feel like I got my money's worth. Get the point? It's all a bunch of PR bs. You're not getting what you payed for. percech

Mods make it worth your money... oh and console gaming is all about PR BS... so your argument is void.

The reason why mods shouldn't count is because it's not made by the devs. It's not released that way at all. The game was released much uglier then that. It's how you know pc gamers get desperate to show console gamers how much(supposedly) better it looks on PC, when in reality the differences are only higher res. I for one don't get easily impressed. I don't feel like I got my money's worth. Get the point? It's all a bunch of PR bs. You're not getting what you payed for. percech

Mods should count... it's obviously a advantage PC has over console. This is text book fanboy logic you have...

Seriously, who are you trying to convince? yourself?

The reason why mods shouldn't count is because it's not made by the devs. It's not released that way at all. The game was released much uglier then that. It's how you know pc gamers get desperate to show console gamers how much(supposedly) better it looks on PC, when in reality the differences are only higher res. I for one don't get easily impressed. I don't feel like I got my money's worth. Get the point? It's all a bunch of PR bs. You're not getting what you payed for. percech

[QUOTE="percech"]The reason why mods shouldn't count is because it's not made by the devs. It's not released that way at all. The game was released much uglier then that. It's how you know pc gamers get desperate to show console gamers how much(supposedly) better it looks on PC, when in reality the differences are only higher res. I for one don't get easily impressed. I don't feel like I got my money's worth. Get the point? It's all a bunch of PR bs. You're not getting what you payed for. Bebi_vegeta

Mods should count... it's obviously a advantage PC has over console. This is text book fanboy logic you have...

Seriously, who are you trying to convince? yourself?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="percech"]The reason why mods shouldn't count is because it's not made by the devs. It's not released that way at all. The game was released much uglier then that. It's how you know pc gamers get desperate to show console gamers how much(supposedly) better it looks on PC, when in reality the differences are only higher res. I for one don't get easily impressed. I don't feel like I got my money's worth. Get the point? It's all a bunch of PR bs. You're not getting what you payed for. percech

Mods should count... it's obviously a advantage PC has over console. This is text book fanboy logic you have...

Seriously, who are you trying to convince? yourself?

Desperate? How... it's part of the PC community.

Also, like I said, the games looks way better without mods.

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Mods should count... it's obviously a advantage PC has over console. This is text book fanboy logic you have...

Seriously, who are you trying to convince? yourself?

Bebi_vegeta

Desperate? How... it's part of the PC community.

Also, like I said, the games looks way better without mods.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="percech"] Vanilla versions should only count. When you bring in mods, you're getting desperate.percech

Desperate? How... it's part of the PC community.

Also, like I said, the games looks way better without mods.

that is true.... But if PC exclusives started using tech that would make crysis look like last gen, it would take a really expesinve PC to run them. Not many people including my PC would be able to run them. One of the reasons PC's are able to runs todays games so well, is because they are made for consoles, and mid range cards in mind.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="percech"]The reason why mods shouldn't count is because it's not made by the devs. It's not released that way at all. The game was released much uglier then that. It's how you know pc gamers get desperate to show console gamers how much(supposedly) better it looks on PC, when in reality the differences are only higher res. I for one don't get easily impressed. I don't feel like I got my money's worth. Get the point? It's all a bunch of PR bs. You're not getting what you payed for. percech

Mods should count... it's obviously a advantage PC has over console. This is text book fanboy logic you have...

Seriously, who are you trying to convince? yourself?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="percech"] Vanilla versions should only count. When you bring in mods, you're getting desperate.percech

Desperate? How... it's part of the PC community.

Also, like I said, the games looks way better without mods.

How is my argument subjective and your's not? Comon!!!

[QUOTE="percech"]Those GTA shots are nice, but those are mods. So your argument is void.Bebi_vegeta

So mods don't count, anything else you want to take away from the PC ?

Also, it didn't even need mods to look better then consoles, but it does look even better with the mod.

well as much as I hate to say it, he does have a point, like the whole topic, is excluding mods, as benchmarks don't include mods, unless they are comparing mods...I at least haven't see any

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Desperate? How... it's part of the PC community.

Also, like I said, the games looks way better without mods.

Bebi_vegeta

How is my argument subjective and your's not? Comon!!!

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Desperate? How... it's part of the PC community.

Also, like I said, the games looks way better without mods.

Bebi_vegeta

How is my argument subjective and your's not? Comon!!!

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Desperate? How... it's part of the PC community.

Also, like I said, the games looks way better without mods.

Bebi_vegeta

How is my argument subjective and your's not? Comon!!!

I think he is saying, games released general look more average than it would if not released on consoles, take Arma 2, and Crysis. both probably wouldn't be able to look as good if there was a console version. but thats only when there isnt a separate team working on the PC version, than battlefield 3 thank god has a separate team working on the best version, that hopefully accepts mod so we can get a awesome look Forgotten hope mod

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="percech"] Vanilla versions should only count. When you bring in mods, you're getting desperate.percech

Desperate? How... it's part of the PC community.

Also, like I said, the games looks way better without mods.

This is almost as good as von Finklestein and the CRTC. Someone needs to sig this convo...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="percech"]Those GTA shots are nice, but those are mods. So your argument is void.gamer-adam1

So mods don't count, anything else you want to take away from the PC ?

Also, it didn't even need mods to look better then consoles, but it does look even better with the mod.

well as much as I hate to say it, he does have a point, like the whole topic, is excluding mods, as benchmarks don't include mods, unless they are comparing mods...I at least haven't see any

Well, there was one that compared GTA4 console Vs Pc moded. Even without mod, GTA4 looks way better... mods only make it better. I can't beleive this will be disregarded because console can't do the same thing.

If console are benchmarks... then what is Dx10 and Dx11?

Well, there was one that compared GTA4 console Vs Pc moded. Even without mod, GTA4 looks way better... mods only make it better. I can't beleive this will be disregarded because console can't do the same thing.

If console are benchmarks... then what is Dx10 and Dx11?

Bebi_vegeta

Not on consoles, so stupid and gimmicky.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="percech"] That's completely subjective. However, my original argument is fact. PC games don't look anywhere near as good as they should.percech

How is my argument subjective and your's not? Comon!!!

Right, so saying they look identical or slightly better that it's not noticeable is not IMO vibe....

It's not a fact, it's only what you think and see... your only source of information is your own eyes, wich I can't take as facts.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="percech"] That's completely subjective. However, my original argument is fact. PC games don't look anywhere near as good as they should.gamer-adam1

How is my argument subjective and your's not? Comon!!!

I think he is saying, games released general look more average than it would if not released on consoles, take Arma 2, and Crysis. both probably wouldn't be able to look as good if there was a console version. but thats only when there isnt a separate team working on the PC version, than battlefield 3 thank god has a separate team working on the best version, that hopefully accepts mod so we can get a awesome look Forgotten hope mod

I'm sorry, but there's quit a list of games that look better over console... I like to use Metro2033 as the best example.

Obviously exclusives games tend to look better, even for console.... but there's a few multiplates that show that aswell more often today.

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Desperate? How... it's part of the PC community.

Also, like I said, the games looks way better without mods.

rpgs_shall_rule

This is almost as good as von Finklestein and the CRTC. Someone needs to sig this convo...

Lol... People don't realise that not everybody has a Dx10 Dx11 GPU or software... people don't upgrade everyday. Just like console have generation jumps, well PC has a more linear constant slop upgrading.