Best ORIGINAL lore in an RPG....

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Did these encounters involve a can of Pepper Spray or a Rape Horn?

Kandlegoat

Just a hunch....but I seriously doubt a person with a hip swinging social life consisting of tons of friends and girls throwing themselves at them would give a sh*t about whether complete strangers on the internet like Bioware games or not.

There's a huge difference between most people on these forums having casual conversations/debates...and Nazi dickwads who constantly try to force their opinions about games onto people.Dont say you dont do this because you're doing it with mysticstryk right now, He's just offering his humble opinion without trying to be argumentive yet you're being a total douchebag about it.... who cares if he thinks ES' lore is as good as Ultima's?

The more you post,the more you prove my point that you are indeed a worthless degenerate f*cking loser with no friends and the only vagina you've ever been exposed to is your mom's when she shat you out during child birth.

Huh. Never heard of Ultima. The universe in ME and FO are both engrossing though. Love both of them

Huh. Never heard of Ultima. The universe in ME and FO are both engrossing though. Love both of them

supa_badman

Mass Effect, they essentially carved out a whole future down to the minicule details. They have created something that doesnt go against the laws of physics (kinda), and essentially is something that is relatively realistic. That and the actual game being amazing helpsfirebolt53

[QUOTE="supa_badman"]

Huh. Never heard of Ultima. The universe in ME and FO are both engrossing though. Love both of them

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="supa_badman"]

Huh. Never heard of Ultima. The universe in ME and FO are both engrossing though. Love both of them

skrat_01

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="supa_badman"]

Huh. Never heard of Ultima. The universe in ME and FO are both engrossing though. Love both of them

skrat_01

Demons and Dark Souls for sure. Nothing else even comes close.ispeakfact

But consistent with Japanese folks being inspired by Western things and reinventing them in their own way. But the inspiration was always there.Salt_The_Fries

Two weeks later and this thread is still going. Nice job.

But consistent with Japanese folks being inspired by Western things and reinventing them in their own way. But the inspiration was always there.Salt_The_Fries

and Ultima evolved since IV, JRPGs really haven't except outside the mainstream. In fact JRPGs use the Ultima III formula, not the Ultima iV one. Replayed Ultima IX with the fan dialogue patch...with it the game becomes great minus the techinical issues.texasgoldrush

However, you are right that early JRPGs borrowed heavily from Ultima, but don't forget that Wizardry had an even stronger influence on JRPGs than Ultima did. In fact, even Ultima III was heavily influenced by Wizardry. And if we go back further, both Ultima and Wizardry were influenced by Temple of Apshai. You are also right in pointing out that JRPGs were influenced much more by Ultima III than Ultima IV, but the reason why Ultima IV didn't have as much influence is because early JRPGs like Xanadu, Hydlide II and Cosmic Soldier were already experimenting with morality systems around the same time as Ultima IV. These early JRPG morality experiments eventually led to stuff like the Megami Tensei series, one of the "mainstream" RPG series in Japan.

Can't disagree there. The major difference in western role playing the advent of Baldur's Gate (and Fallout to a lesser extent), which reshaped the modern WRPG; whereas as far as I can tell the JRPG seemed to stick more rigidly to its Ultima roots - expanding and reinventing around that.skrat_01