Best W-RPG???? Poll!!!

KotOR and Vampire Bloodlines > Mass Effect and Fable II > Oblivion > Fallout 3.

I have not played the sequel to KotOR.
Fallout 3 is technically the better game these days, but Oblivion had more of an impact. And for some reason I wasn't as annoyed by its characters.

InsaneBasura

Fallout 2.

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[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Where is Final Fantasy? :evil: :P.. i only play JRPG's :P

nofriekinlemons

well then you should change that about yourself, boy.

Pfffft.. WTF "boy" do you think jrpg are only for boys wrpg's suck compared to jrpg's for they have better stories and characters than any wrpg out there so

GTFO boy!!

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[QUOTE="jettpack"]

well then you should change that about yourself, boy.

DragonfireXZ95

Pfffft.. WTF "boy" do you think jrpg are only for boys wrpg's suck compared to jrpg's for they have better stories and characters than any wrpg out there so

GTFO boy!!

[QUOTE="Couth_"] Not really.. Most people just assume if it's not Japanese it's Western.. It's really not. People forget Europe develops games too :? They are not all the way East, but it's definitely not West. Maybe we can start calling them Northern RPGs :P.. MetroidPrimePwn

But then what do we call the game if it was made on one of the Africian countries close to the Prime Meridian but also located on the equator :shock:

:P

Seriously though, I don't know why we even bother classifying RPGs based off of the geographical locations of their developer.

We don't use the terms "JTPS" and "WTPS" to differentiate between games like Lost Planet 2 and Gears of War 2.

None of those, Planescape: Torment best WRPG, imo.

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[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Demon's Souls was made in JAPAN by From Software a JAPANESE developer and it was released in JAPAN months ago.

Yandere

i even remember reading a long time ago one of the reviews calling it japan made wrpg.

The only thing 'western' about it is that it's an action RPG, but that means a good amount of other JRPGs are WRPGs.

JRPG and WRPG are terms invented to substitute the old terms Console RPG and Computer RPG respectively. These terms were practically abandoned since there where some console ones on PC and vice versa. Since most RPGs made in Japan had elements that were diferent from the ones made elsewhere and they where mostly part of the console RPG group the term JRPG was born. Thus the term JRPG has little to do with Japan and more with a kind of general gameplay mechanics. As you can see the terms are lackluster anyways since Demons Souls is in fact a WRPG even when its on a console and made in Japan.

From those I've played, OOO-modded Oblivion. From what I have come to understand from content, Planescape: Torment.

A typical list from someone that haven't played anything from1990 to 2002, the golden age of the western RPGs. KOTOR is the only real RPG from that list. Mass Effect is a third person shooter with some very good RPG elements, Oblivion and Fallout 3 are action games with weak RPG elements. I haven't played Fable II, but the first one was an action-adventure game, not a RPG. I'm not saying those games are bad, I really enjoyed Mass Effect and Fallout 3, but both were poor RPG-wise. :D

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[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Where is Final Fantasy? :evil: :P.. i only play JRPG's :P

nofriekinlemons

well then you should change that about yourself, boy.

Pfffft.. WTF "boy" do you think jrpg are only for boys wrpg's suck compared to jrpg's for they have better stories and characters than any wrpg out there so

GTFO boy!!

lol, no way. im sorry but most of the wrpgs out there have stories and charactersthat are equally if not more compelling than their japanese counterparts. I find it sad that more japanese developers havent embraced the two tools of immersion wrpg makers know so well, they're called REAL TIME COMBAT and FIRST PERSON PERSPECTIVE.

i have a very large amount of respect for square enixwith there amazing back catalogue of games like crono trigger and FFVII. But im sorry to say that Japanese Developers havent changed up there formula for YEARS. and for that reason im sorry to say, but the JRPG genre has gotten STAIL.

There has been little to no innovation from the JRPG genrein the last 5 to 7 years, and thats why we are getting games like the most recent star ocean, lost odyssey and blue dragon. Games that offer nothing new.

There are exceptions. Persona 4 was excellent and fresh, and hen final fanatasy went real time with its combat system, i was impressed. Not since then has the jrpg genre made any significant change to its aging formula.

1 - Oblivion

2 - Mass Effect

3 - Fallout 3

4 - KOTOR1

PAL360

A typical list from someone that haven't played anything from1990 to 2002, the golden age of the western RPGs. KOTOR is the only real RPG from that list. Mass Effect is a third person shooter with some very good RPG elements, Oblivion and Fallout 3 are action games with weak RPG elements. I haven't played Fable II, but the first one was an action-adventure game, not a RPG. I'm not saying those games are bad, I really enjoyed Mass Effect and Fallout 3, but both were poor RPG-wise. :D

RyuRanVII

Hey, theres this little thing i think you should know about. its called innovation. Ever heard of it? well, you see, thats whats been happening to the wrpg genre since 2001. Its been changing, and melding with other genres. So im sorry, but you are wrong. Fallout 3 and Oblivion are absolutely RPGs. there is leveling, collecting, and most importantly, ROLE-PLAYING.

I enjoyed fable 2 a lot, but with that company it goes straight to last! Mass Effect gets my vote but not by much over Oblivion and KOTOR. All of those are great games though!

All time? Fallout 1

this gen? Witcher

Hey, theres this little thing i think you should know about. its called innovation. Ever heard of it? well, you see, thats whats been happening to the wrpg genre since 2001. Its been changing, and melding with other genres. So im sorry, but you are wrong. Fallout 3 and Oblivion are absolutely RPGs. there is leveling, collecting, and most importantly, ROLE-PLAYING.

jettpack

Nope. There is, in fact, no real roleplaying in Fallout 3 and Oblivion, as they both lack decent dialogues, the choices are utterly meaningless, you have no real relevance in the world and the leveling is supposed to make you stronger but for some unknown reasons it has the opposite effect.

The fact that they are in there doesn't mean they make them RPGs. The RPG elements are dull and blandly done. The games are enjoyable for the mindless action they offer, they aren't RPGs.

And forgot to say, The Witcher for me.

No morrowind :'(

I don't think any of the games in the poll would be in my top ten. Hell, they wouldn't even be in my top ten of this gen, and it has been a slow gen for RPGs.

Planescape Torment is the best, btw, although The Witcher is currently winning this gen (I'd really like to see how Alpha Protocol compares).

None of the above. Diablo I+II, Warcraft 3, Ultima series, Planescape, BG, and Neverwinter Nights are all above those listed, imo

As for this gen, The Witcher is a must play, what an excellent game

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Hey, theres this little thing i think you should know about. its called innovation. Ever heard of it? well, you see, thats whats been happening to the wrpg genre since 2001. Its been changing, and melding with other genres. So im sorry, but you are wrong. Fallout 3 and Oblivion are absolutely RPGs. there is leveling, collecting, and most importantly, ROLE-PLAYING.

Mograine

Nope. There is, in fact, no real roleplaying in Fallout 3 and Oblivion, as they both lack decent dialogues, the choices are utterly meaningless, you have no real relevance in the world and the leveling is supposed to make you stronger but for some unknown reasons it has the opposite effect.

The fact that they are in there doesn't mean they make them RPGs. The RPG elements are dull and blandly done. The games are enjoyable for the mindless action they offer, they aren't RPGs.

And forgot to say, The Witcher for me.

Have you even played those games???? The dialogue in fallout 3 is generally good and often great. Your choices absolutely have weight and meaning in the world. to say that leveling doesnt make you stronger????? that makes no sense at all! leveling absolutly makes you stronger, the enemies just scale with you. Your opinions dont make any sense, the hundreds of critics out there wouldnt have labelled those games as RPGs if they werent RPGs. DUH.

All time? Fallout 1

this gen? Witcher

AdrianWerner

fallout 1 is good. I should play the witcher.

dude, nice avatar. Dexter is awesome. im working my way through the third season right now.

What kind of poll is that? The Witcher and Planescape should be up there.

What kind of poll is that? The Witcher and Planescape should be up there.

Whiteblade999

your right, the witcher should be up there. probably instead of KOTOR cause its not this gen.

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Nope. There is, in fact, no real roleplaying in Fallout 3 and Oblivion, as they both lack decent dialogues, the choices are utterly meaningless, you have no real relevance in the world and the leveling is supposed to make you stronger but for some unknown reasons it has the opposite effect.

The fact that they are in there doesn't mean they make them RPGs. The RPG elements are dull and blandly done. The games are enjoyable for the mindless action they offer, they aren't RPGs.

jettpack

Have you even played those games???? The dialogue in fallout 3 is generally good and often great. Your choices absolutely have weight and meaning in the world. to say that leveling doesnt make you stronger????? that makes no sense at all! leveling absolutly makes you stronger, the enemies just scale with you. Your opinions dont make any sense, the hundreds of critics out there wouldnt have labelled those games as RPGs if they werent RPGs. DUH.

I've played everything on your list (except for Fable 2), and the only game on it with decent roleplaying is KOTOR 2. The rest either have *extremely* simplistic, and often non-meaningful choices (KOTOR 1, Fallout 3) or no meaningful choices whatsoever (Oblivion, Mass Effect).

Fallout 3 and Oblivion both have *terrible* writing - Fallout 3 being judged more harshly here since the first two games had fantastic writing, interesting characters, and genuine humour...none of which were found in the third game.

If the enemies scale with you, there's no point levelling up - in fact, with Oblivion the game actually gets harder every time you level up, as if you're levelling non-combat skills the enemies will end up much stronger than you.
Then again, this doesn't matter since all of your characters/parties in Oblivion/Fallout/Mass Effect end up doing pretty much the same sort of thing by the time they hit their higher levels - rather than specialising like in most great RPGs.

As for the critics, eh, there haven't been many great RPGs in the past decade to compare them to, and few/none of them have been on consoles, so the standards aren't very high.

Have you even played those games???? The dialogue in fallout 3 is generally good and often great. Your choices absolutely have weight and meaning in the world. to say that leveling doesnt make you stronger????? that makes no sense at all! leveling absolutly makes you stronger, the enemies just scale with you. Your opinions dont make any sense, the hundreds of critics out there wouldnt have labelled those games as RPGs if they werent RPGs. DUH.jettpack

No, it's your opinion that doesn't make any sense, at all.

Saying the dialogues are good or even great is simply laughable, a monkey would have written them better (a lot better, actually), and the choices are ABSOLUTELY meaningless. The FEV virus is supposed to erase the mutants, ghouls and other irradiated stuff from the Wasteland as soon as they make contact with water, but for some reason after two weeks of ingame time they are all still alive and well, and this is just the first example that comes to mind. Every other choice is so generic that can be easily understood as "use speech to avoid a fight, or blow everything to smithereens".

In Oblivion, the gates to the plane of the Daedric prince of Destruction are supposed to turn everything around them to ashes, and it's supposed to be an invasion. Guess what, as you leave the sewers, Kvatch is under attack by demons, coming out from an Oblivion gate. Once you become Grand Champion of the Arena, Archmage, Master of the Fighters Guild, Madgod of the Shivering Isles, Listener for the Dark Brotherhood, Grey Fox, Holy Crusader of the Nine, and master every skill, Kvatch is still at the same point.

Enemies' level scales with your. If you can't understand what this implies on your own, I can't help you because you wouldn't understand anyway.

What critics say does not concern the quality of a game.

For the ones on that list which I've played,

1. KOTOR

2. Oblivion

3. Fable 2

4. Fallout 3

5. Mass Effect

Mass Effect. I despise the combat in the KOTOR games.

Having bad combat isn't a pre-requisite to be an rpg you know.

A typical list from someone that haven't played anything from1990 to 2002, the golden age of the western RPGs. KOTOR is the only real RPG from that list. Mass Effect is a third person shooter with some very good RPG elements, Oblivion and Fallout 3 are action games with weak RPG elements. I haven't played Fable II, but the first one was an action-adventure game, not a RPG. I'm not saying those games are bad, I really enjoyed Mass Effect and Fallout 3, but both were poor RPG-wise. :D

RyuRanVII

Fallout 1 is the best one I've played. I really want to try Planescape: Torment though.

For me

All-time: Planescape: Torment (followed by Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura)
This gen: The Witcher (followed by NWN2: MotB)

Chalk another Planescape up there.

I'm not a big fan of RPG's full stop and have tried to play KOTOR and Elder Scroll and just didn't get into them. I've currently just started playing Fallout 3 but the only RPG I've played, loved and completed the main story since the 8 bit ere is Mass Effect so that gets my vote.

Can't believe you left out The Witcher.

[QUOTE="fenwickhotmail"]Mass Effect. Kotor a close second. Oblivion/FO3 were boring imo. Fable 2 was average.jettpack

really? fallout 3 and oblivion boring? i mean i guess i understand with all the walking, but i found them to be completely and utterly enthralling.

A toss up between KotOR I & II and Mass Effect for me. As far KotOR II goes, I think Obsidian did every bit as a good of a job as Bioware did. But, that is a different discussion.

TC, you forgot THE WITCHER! 8)