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#51 ShadowMoses900
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I never had too many performance issues with the game, the Lag wasn't univiersal like the Lems were saying. The reason why I don't think I had any was because I didn't leave my stuff lying around everywhere, I put ALL my stuff in a chest in my house in Whiterun, everything else I sold or had equipped.

The last update fixed the lag apparently, but I think Bethtesda kinda gave us PS3 owners the middle finger in terms of support.They kept delaying the patch and pushing it back, in the future I won't ever buy a Bethesda game at launch again just to be safe.

That being said I did however have issues with quests not regersting right, and something REALLY strange happened, Ulfric Stormcloak and some dumb Kahjit trader got their vocies mixed up in my game.

I go talk to Ulfric and instead I get some cat accent guy who wants me to barter with him. Like WTF Bethesda? How could you not acth this? It stopped me from progressing in the main quest because of this. It's fixed now though, but damn!

But Lems don't act like your version didn't have issues either, it had problems as well.

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#52 arkephonic
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[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Has Bethesda ever released a game thats worked on any platform?

They couldnt even get Brink to work, and thats a FPS.

Led_poison

Bethesda didn't develop Brink, or the majority of the games that people assume they did because they were the publishers. :|

They didnt develop it but they did test it.Bethesda/Zeni Max has their own QA team that tests the games they publish. As evidenced in the credits in the game manuals.

Lol, is Bethesda/Zeni Max's QA team the greatest of all time? I'd like to read that list of names in the manual, those people are legends.

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#53 ShadowsDemon
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

Ummm....NV was a hell lot worse then Skyrim on the PS3 >.>ShadowsDemon

Bethesda didn't develop Fallout NV, so I don't see why either of you mentioned it.

Didnt it use the same engine as Fallout 3? Which WAS developed by Bethesda? ;)

They did. The Gamebyro engine.
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#54 ActionRemix
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"][QUOTE="BPoole96"] Did you play Fallout 3 for PS3? I had a save file that had 200 hours on it and my game literally ran at 15 FPS and load times just to enter a building were around 30 seconds. I didn't know any better so I kept playing. Fallout New Vegas was the same song and dance, but I didn't deal with it and only put in about 25 hours After playing the PC versionsI can't imagine dealing with that again. Now I know to not buy Bethesda games on PS3. These problems weren't exclusive to me so I figured most people would expect the issues Skyrim has

It's my first Bethesda game. I have a laptop that could run it but I got it for PS3 because I didn't want to worry about performance issues. My PS3 had a hard time running it from the start.

That's a shame. It's a great game and I feel bad for those who have had these issues. Have the patches fixed anything at all?

Yeah, but it's still really choppy. Instead of 10-20 fps it's 15-25 fps.
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#55 xOMGITSJASONx
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Every dev knows everything about their games before they release them to the public. That's just commonsense. Now will they openly admit it, That is a different question.

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#56 Masenkoe
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You buy a bethesda game on PC or go home.

lulmont

/thread

So, is the PS3 just too weak to handle such an expansive game or what? It runs fine on the supposedly weaker 360. Doolz2024

It was a coding issue, not a power issue.

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#57 Mercenary848
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Not surprised

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#58 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

Bethesda didn't develop Fallout NV, so I don't see why either of you mentioned it.

Didnt it use the same engine as Fallout 3? Which WAS developed by Bethesda? ;)

They did. The Gamebyro engine.

Ok, so why are you acting like New Vegas is irrelevant in this conversation? That's EXACTLY why I mentioned the game.
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#59 ShadowsDemon
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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] Didnt it use the same engine as Fallout 3? Which WAS developed by Bethesda? ;)

carljohnson3456

They did. The Gamebyro engine.

Ok, so why are you acting like New Vegas is irrelevant in this conversation? That's EXACTLY why I mentioned the game.

Because the engine is the same. And FO3 had more than it's fair share of bugs, I'll tell you now.

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#60 kuraimen
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Everybody knew about Skyrim's PS3 problems before launch. It's Bethesda we are talking about here, problems is the constant, not problems is the exception.
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#61 vtoshkatur
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Ofcourse they knew, how could they possibly not have? This attitude of "fixing games after release" really has to stop though. Is it so hard to release a finished game?meetroid8

The PC version of Skyrim was finished when they released it. It's obvious now that the PC and not the 360 was actually the lead platform and that Bethesda struggled to get it to run on either of the consoles. Face it consolites, Skyrim is the Half Life 2 of this gen and like Half Life 2 on Xbox 1 before it Skyrim barely runs on consoles and bethesda should of waited for the next generation of consoles for the console release of Skyrim.

*Edit* Dare I say that its likely that Skyrim will see a rerelease on the PS4 and 720.

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#62 arkephonic
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[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Ofcourse they knew, how could they possibly not have? This attitude of "fixing games after release" really has to stop though. Is it so hard to release a finished game?vtoshkatur

The PC version of Skyrim was finished when they released it. It's obvious now that the PC and not the 360 was actually the lead platform and that Bethesda struggled to get it to run on either of the consoles. Face it consolites, Skyrim is the Half Life 2 of this gen and like Half Life 2 on Xbox 1 before it Skyrim barely runs on consoles and bethesda should of waited for the next generation of consoles for the console release of Skyrim.

*Edit* Dare I say that its likely that Skyrim will see a rerelease on the PS4 and 720.

"In an interview with CVG, Bethesda's Craig Lafferty said that Skyrim has been developed with consoles as the lead target.

The lead producer on Skyrim said: "We use the consoles as our lead SKU… So we develop towards the consoles and then porting to PC is usually not too bad actually ."

The above comments are likely to cause PC gamers a bit of grief, and the next thing on Craig Lafferty's mind was unlikely to appease them."

http://www.gamersmint.com/bethesda-consoles-to-be-the-lead-platform-for-skyrim-aim-to-make-it-really-accessible

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#63 N30F3N1X
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I would have never guessed that. Which developer actually tests games on a console?

No seriously, are you f'ing kidding me? They thought an article about it was worth writing :| ?

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#64 Bigboi500
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Gamespot had no business scoring that version the same as the others. Totally untrustworthy.

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#65 Strakha
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Do developers still find the PS3 harder to develop for because of the Cell? You would think they would be used to it by now.
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#66 mccoyca112
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They always do...

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#67 tastetheacidmil
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You know....we all pretty much knew that this was coming seeing the issues of Oblivion and Fallout 3 on the PS3.

And considering what they were doing with the game it was quite apparent that the game was indeed going to have MAJOR problems.

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#68 DISSESHOWEDO
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Has Bethesda ever released a game thats worked on any platform?

They couldnt even get Brink to work, and thats a FPS.

crimsonman1245

Fully agree, it seems that B, s**ks at developing games for any platform !

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#69 MLBknights58
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Ain't even mad :cool:

Only peons and drones play on PS3 anyway.. lol real talk.

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#70 MirkoS77
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I don't understand what the problem is?

We all knew it'd only be a proper game on the PC, and I'm sure Bethesda knew it too. It's not their fault people limit themselves to owning just a PS3.

SW__Troll
I just love this logic: when a developer's too incompetent to program their software properly, it's the CONSUMER'S fault. I'll have to remember that.
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#71 crimsonman1245
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[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

I don't understand what the problem is?

We all knew it'd only be a proper game on the PC, and I'm sure Bethesda knew it too. It's not their fault people limit themselves to owning just a PS3.

MirkoS77

I just love this logic: when a developer's too incompetent to program their software properly, it's the CONSUMER'S fault. I'll have to remember that.

I dont think its the developers fault, i think its pretty obvious that polishing games is not a priority for Bethesda, they tell them to make the game and release it, nothing more.

Why would they pay a bunch of money to fix their games when people are going to buy it anyways? I despise Bethesda tactics.

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#72 TheGrudge13
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is anyone really surprised by this ???
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#73 kraken2109
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I thought everybody knew bethesda make the first 50% of their games and modders make the rest?

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#74 DrTrafalgarLaw
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Bethesda can suck the tiny d*ck's of CoD kiddies next gen. Don't ever bring your PoS onto our console again.
Sony better come with a game of their own that steamrolls this overhyped garbage that still runs on the modified PoS of a Gambryo engine.

If you are a developer that ships games like FO: NV and Skyrim and has no intentions to fix bugs and performance issues...you belong in a pile of dogsh*t.
And they also had the nerve to ship HD texture packs to PC MONTHS after release? This mentality of port it over and fix later has to stop.
Call of Duty gets a lot of flak for using an old engine. But this game still uses a 5 year old engine and they blatently lied about it.

Start developing proper console games or stay PC-exclusive.

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#75 mems_1224
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Bethesda can suck the tiny d*ck's of CoD kiddies next gen. Don't ever bring your PoS onto our console again.
Sony better come with a game of their own that steamrolls this overhyped garbage that still runs on the modified PoS of a Gambryo engine.

If you are a developer that ships games like FO: NV and Skyrim and has no intentions to fix bugs and performance issues...you belong in a pile of dogsh*t.
And they also had the nerve to ship HD texture packs to PC MONTHS after release? This mentality of port it over and fix later has to stop.
Call of Duty gets a lot of flak for using an old engine. But this game still uses a 5 year old engine and they blatently lied about it.

Start developing proper console games or stay PC-exclusive.

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:lol:

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#76 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

I don't understand what the problem is?

We all knew it'd only be a proper game on the PC, and I'm sure Bethesda knew it too. It's not their fault people limit themselves to owning just a PS3.

MirkoS77
I just love this logic: when a developer's too incompetent to program their software properly, it's the CONSUMER'S fault. I'll have to remember that.

if the consumer doesnt know what they're spending their money on it is their fault
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#77 DrTrafalgarLaw
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[QUOTE="MirkoS77"][QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

I don't understand what the problem is?

We all knew it'd only be a proper game on the PC, and I'm sure Bethesda knew it too. It's not their fault people limit themselves to owning just a PS3.

mems_1224
I just love this logic: when a developer's too incompetent to program their software properly, it's the CONSUMER'S fault. I'll have to remember that.

if the consumer doesnt know what they're spending their money on it is their fault

The consumer can't know in advance what kind of problems they will run into. Those reviews for PS3 all got the same scores. It should be retro-actively docked at least 2 to 3 points for being such a pile of trash on the PS3. And that's to blame, no one mentions these problems Bethesda does not even respond to. Not even on their own forums. Bunch of ugly dogs at Bethesda.
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#78 Heil68
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PC is best version. I can't believe how wide the gap in every conceivable category the 360 version is compared to the PC version.
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#79 exiledsnake
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[QUOTE="MirkoS77"][QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

I don't understand what the problem is?

We all knew it'd only be a proper game on the PC, and I'm sure Bethesda knew it too. It's not their fault people limit themselves to owning just a PS3.

mems_1224
I just love this logic: when a developer's too incompetent to program their software properly, it's the CONSUMER'S fault. I'll have to remember that.

if the consumer doesnt know what they're spending their money on it is their fault

And if the game isn't running properly, its the devs fault, amirite?
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#80 789shadow
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[QUOTE="MirkoS77"][QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

I don't understand what the problem is?

We all knew it'd only be a proper game on the PC, and I'm sure Bethesda knew it too. It's not their fault people limit themselves to owning just a PS3.

mems_1224

I just love this logic: when a developer's too incompetent to program their software properly, it's the CONSUMER'S fault. I'll have to remember that.

if the consumer doesnt know what they're spending their money on it is their fault

This is beyond stupid.

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#81 ispeakfact
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And what did we learn from all this, kiddies?

/thread and rpg debate.

:cool:

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#82 PAL360
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So, is the PS3 just too weak to handle such an expansive game or what? It runs fine on the supposedly weaker 360. Doolz2024

That's the problem of overhype! People still expect PS3 to outshine 360 when, at the end, both consoles are technicaly even.

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#83 -ArchAngeL-777-
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Shocking huh? And Gamespot still gave it a pass with a 9.0. lol
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#84 -ArchAngeL-777-
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]So, is the PS3 just too weak to handle such an expansive game or what? It runs fine on the supposedly weaker 360. PAL360

That's the problem of overhype! People still expect PS3 to outshine 360 when, at the end, both consoles are technicaly even.

No it's just a different architecture. It has nothing to do with being too weak. 360 and PC are basically in lockstep so you can develop for one and easily port it to the other. Properly porting to a PS3 takes more work than that.
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#85 el3m2tigre
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They shouldve just delayed the version. No point in selling a broken game.

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#86 DrTrafalgarLaw
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Still no arrow-knee jokes? Never should have come here...

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#87 Comduter
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Don't buy a Bathesta game without expecting it to be incradibly buggy. That's the way all of their games have been. They're notorious for releasing incredly glitchy games (regardless of what platform you buy it for).

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[QUOTE="Zensword"]Article here http://ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1218881p1.html

Yeah, Yeah, Blah Blah Blah.....who cares, same thing happened with the PS3 version of Fallout 3 and then they released a set number of patches and it ran perfectly smooth. No news here, the 360 architecture is very similar to PC and easier to develop for, PS3's is different and harder to develop for, so it'll always take a bit longer to get it right on the PS3, no big deal it's still very playable especially now 2 patches later.
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#89 vtoshkatur
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And what did we learn from all this, kiddies?

/thread and rpg debate.

:cool:

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Dark Souls is Console Garbage. Such a terrible game. I have no idea why people like it so much. It's so small and linear, Dark Souls is barely an RPG to begin with.

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#90 ispeakfact
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Dark Souls is Console Garbage. Such a terrible game. I have no idea why people like it so much. It's so small and linear, Dark Souls is barely an RPG to begin with.

vtoshkatur

Jelly?

Oh...still think that Smashing Pumpking is classic rock? :cool:

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#91 vtoshkatur
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[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

Dark Souls is Console Garbage. Such a terrible game. I have no idea why people like it so much. It's so small and linear, Dark Souls is barely an RPG to begin with.

ispeakfact

Jelly?

Oh...still think that Smashing Pumpking is classic rock? :cool:

It's expected someone of your lowly caliber likes a game like Dark Souls.

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#92 ispeakfact
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[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

Dark Souls is Console Garbage. Such a terrible game. I have no idea why people like it so much. It's so small and linear, Dark Souls is barely an RPG to begin with.

vtoshkatur

Jelly?

Oh...still think that Smashing Pumpking is classic rock? :cool:

It's expected someone of your lowly caliber likes a game like Dark Souls.

So you do still think SP is classic rock. Gotcha.

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#93 vtoshkatur
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[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]

Jelly?

Oh...still think that Smashing Pumpking is classic rock? :cool:

ispeakfact

It's expected someone of your lowly caliber likes a game like Dark Souls.

So you do still think SP is classic rock. Gotcha.

They are classic rock. And you sir are an idiot.

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Um, I think we all did.
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[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

It's expected someone of your lowly caliber likes a game like Dark Souls.

vtoshkatur

So you do still think SP is classic rock. Gotcha.

They are classic rock. And you sir are an idiot.

:lol: Educate yourself, bud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smashing_Pumpkins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_rock Please...in the future, don't lump that Billy Corgan crap into the same category as rock gods like Rolling Stones and the Beatles.
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#96 evilross
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Why is this even being debated now?

Patch 1.4 fixed the technical issues with the PS3 version. The framerate is fine now, the lag is gone, and the savegame bloat and loading crashes are fixed to a point that it runs comparable to the other versions of the game.

Its old news, everyone knows Bethesda's coders suck, and everyone knows that it takes more time and talent to work on the PS3.

The point is it's three months later and now its been fixed and there is parody in the console versions of the game.

All three versions are still full of AI glitchs, broken quests, and world bugs. Bethesda is still trying to roll out monthly patches to fix the stuff.

Skyrim's launch reminds me of an MMO launching, except with more people whining, and not having to pay mothly fees.

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#97 vtoshkatur
Member since 2011 • 1962 Posts

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[QUOTE="ispeakfact"]

So you do still think SP is classic rock. Gotcha.

ispeakfact

They are classic rock. And you sir are an idiot.

:lol: Educate yourself, bud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smashing_Pumpkins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_rock Please...in the future, don't lump that Billy Corgan crap into the same category as rock gods like Rolling Stones and the Beatles.

I can do what I want. And I'm not your "bud", friend.

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#98 ispeakfact
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[QUOTE="ispeakfact"][QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

They are classic rock. And you sir are an idiot.

vtoshkatur

:lol: Educate yourself, bud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smashing_Pumpkins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_rock Please...in the future, don't lump that Billy Corgan crap into the same category as rock gods like Rolling Stones and the Beatles.

I can do what I want. And I'm not your "bud", friend.

:cool:

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#99 vtoshkatur
Member since 2011 • 1962 Posts

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="ispeakfact"] :lol: Educate yourself, bud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smashing_Pumpkins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_rock Please...in the future, don't lump that Billy Corgan crap into the same category as rock gods like Rolling Stones and the Beatles.ispeakfact

I can do what I want. And I'm not your "bud", friend.

:cool:

That doesn't even make sense. God I hate you. Not just on the internet but as a person. God you suck.

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#100 ReadingRainbow4
Member since 2012 • 18733 Posts

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Dark Souls is Console Garbage. Such a terrible game. I have no idea why people like it so much. It's so small and linear, Dark Souls is barely an RPG to begin with.

vtoshkatur

Jelly?

Oh...still think that Smashing Pumpking is classic rock? :cool:

It's expected someone of your lowly caliber likes a game like Dark Souls.

Holy crap are you dumb, :shock: