Better Hardware = Better Gameplay, Sorry sheeps

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]

One game with a good score>>>>>>>>tens of games with bad scores lol? Grasping at straws are we....MTBare

Yes you're right, I'M the one grasping straws. I'm the one who has one arcade game that is better than most of the ps3 games. On top of the countless retail games that pwnt the ps3 into oblivion (excuse the pun).

[QUOTE="Stumpt25"]

Theres been loads of sheep posts saying: Gameplay>>>>Graphics

which is extremely true, however, just because a game has good graphics are we saying that the gameplay is going to suck? hell no! think about it: GeOW, Oblivion, R:FOM

these are all great games and yet, they have nice graphics (i know im going to get 100000 posts saying "R:FOM wasnt goodgraphics!!!"... but, it was, it ss graphics scored a 9 in gamespot.)

better hardware means more room to push gameplay and graphics. AND ANYWAY, LETS ENCOURAGE DEVS TO KEEP STANDARDS HIGH! if for every game that comes out we go: Graphics dont matter! then standards are going to drop.

ty

Ngon

if gameplay > graphics, why upgrade consoles for? you know.

even creator of wii said wii is a gamecube

Yeah, why get a Wii when you can stick with the 'brown box'?

Better hardware enables better gameplay through innovation, whether it be an innovation in interfacing with the game (such as the Wii) or graphical innovations that give the player access to new gameplay options and mechanics impossible on lesser hardware.

Except for graphics, any Wii game could have a better story, gameplay, characters, art direction, ect. The 360/PS3 could have all the power in the world, but if that power isn't being used, then what do you have? So far I haven't seen anything outstanding from 360/PS3 games except draw dropping graphics. Seriously, if the 360/PS3 are as powerful as yall say, then where is the amazing advanced enemy AI, physics, ect because I have yet to see it.

Guess what? The N64, Xbox, and PSP all have better hardware than their competitors, yet they lost to significantly weaker hardware systems. Wonder why? :roll:

[QUOTE="Ngon"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"]

Theres been loads of sheep posts saying: Gameplay>>>>Graphics

which is extremely true, however, just because a game has good graphics are we saying that the gameplay is going to suck? hell no! think about it: GeOW, Oblivion, R:FOM

these are all great games and yet, they have nice graphics (i know im going to get 100000 posts saying "R:FOM wasnt goodgraphics!!!"... but, it was, it ss graphics scored a 9 in gamespot.)

better hardware means more room to push gameplay and graphics. AND ANYWAY, LETS ENCOURAGE DEVS TO KEEP STANDARDS HIGH! if for every game that comes out we go: Graphics dont matter! then standards are going to drop.

ty

Berserker_2

if gameplay > graphics, why upgrade consoles for? you know.

even creator of wii said wii is a gamecube

Good poit about upgrading consoles. The same could be said of PCs. I wonder why people upgrade PCs? Maybe they like better graphics? 

You either upgrade or you don't play. Try playing a PC game without enough RAM or a decent graphics card. It's damn near impossible. The lag is insane.

SHEEP GOD DAMMIT!!!! SHEEP... the plural of sheep is indeed SHEEP... :xIorning_board

Ironically, this thread, stood out for me only because of that error that people keep making... Otherwise, I would have ignored it...

hypersplugen.  Now that I got your attention...

I'm really starting to doubt that there are many people without more than one gaming machine...  Having the best of both worlds is ideal, instead of saying OMG one is better than the other...

That's why Manticores pwn you... 

Oh wow. Better hardware does not create better gameplay. Better devs create better games. Otherwise the strongest hardware would have won every gen but it has never won.Blackbond

:evil: Thanks a lot blackbond!!!!!!!! You've ended this thread with a great logical post :P

[QUOTE="Stumpt25"]

Theres been loads of sheep posts saying: Gameplay>>>>Graphics

which is extremely true, however, just because a game has good graphics are we saying that the gameplay is going to suck? hell no! think about it: GeOW, Oblivion, R:FOM

these are all great games and yet, they have nice graphics (i know im going to get 100000 posts saying "R:FOM wasnt goodgraphics!!!"... but, it was, it ss graphics scored a 9 in gamespot.)

better hardware means more room to push gameplay and graphics. AND ANYWAY, LETS ENCOURAGE DEVS TO KEEP STANDARDS HIGH! if for every game that comes out we go: Graphics dont matter! then standards are going to drop.

ty

Japanese_Monk

I agree that better hardware = capability for new gameplay...but if devs can't even make innovative wii games with the wiimote (how can you not!!) then what are they doing? ANyway, Gears was great but IMO its not something we havent see before. Same with RFOM. 

Basically I agree about Gears, I've seen that gameplay from Kill Switch and the theme for Resident Evil 4. Although Gears is a great game there will be other games that will try to compete with that game and R:FOM is one of them trying to go against the Halo, Killzone, and CoD games!!!

not just graphics... better physics and AI

Sheep need to stop using this excuse "gameplay > graphics"

just admit it, wii is aim for kids and casuals gamers

and that's probably why the wii will win. anyone and everyone can pick it up and have fun and probably 90% of the world's population are non-gamers but i bet they will enjoy the wii because it is fun and u can just pick it up thats it.

i know from experience playing my mates wii and seeing my parents play it and enjoy it and then acutally want to buy one where as they would never touch a pc or xbox or ps 

Oh, I'm SURE that's why the original Game Boy trumped COLOR handhelds like the Sega Game Gear and the TurboGrafx-16:roll:

/thread 

I'm not reading that, only replying to your topic title.

I guess thats why Xbox did so much better than th PS2 right?...

not always.Hewkii

What? No no no.

You mean something like http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/sonicthehedgehog/index.html

So all gameplay up to this point in time is nothing without next gen graphics... :?kittykatz5k

God why is this so hard to understand.. ...

Do you see that? Without the evolution of hardware we will still be playing games like that? Simple, straight forward repititve gameplay.

The evolution of hardware is neccasasary.

Do you remember this?

which  game do you think enabled you to do more?

 God its so simple....Sheep you don't have better gameplay...360 and PS3 has better gameplay. Sheep only play their same gameplay differently. 360/PS3 play revolutionary gameplay.

 High defination is only part of this new era. Which do you think is more fun playing against? A.I that does the same repetitive action or A.I that interacts with their enviroment. A.I that intereact with each other....that duck behind rocks, grenade you or run and gun.

Better hardware means bigger world, smarter A.I, More impressive visuals alot more gameplay elements, etc. etc.

It's like saying Newer model cars don't have better handling then older model cars. I mean seriously. I can't believe there would be anyone on these boards that would think Wii has better gameplay,

No, what the Wii does is offer a different way to play on a gamming console which tries to immerse you in the game more.

This is the 360/PS3 era were heading for and rightfully so. Bigger envirements, more enemies on screen, more immerisve A.I, smarter A.I, HD, Online communtiies, and so much more. Imagine SMG with 3x the enemies, 3x visuals 3x the sound, 3x everything. This is what Nintendo screwed you on. There too busy making a profit off of sheep to fatten their pockets and not giving you a revolutionary gameplay and a different way to play, Every person who has bought a Wii has screwed themselves.  

Why do people believe physics and ai, spessally AI are undoable on wii? it never took next gen power to give halo's grunts and far cry's army their AI, and it certainly didn't take next gen power to give psi ops it's physics...kittykatz5k

It's what haters want people to believe. 

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="Ngon"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"]

Theres been loads of sheep posts saying: Gameplay>>>>Graphics

which is extremely true, however, just because a game has good graphics are we saying that the gameplay is going to suck? hell no! think about it: GeOW, Oblivion, R:FOM

these are all great games and yet, they have nice graphics (i know im going to get 100000 posts saying "R:FOM wasnt goodgraphics!!!"... but, it was, it ss graphics scored a 9 in gamespot.)

better hardware means more room to push gameplay and graphics. AND ANYWAY, LETS ENCOURAGE DEVS TO KEEP STANDARDS HIGH! if for every game that comes out we go: Graphics dont matter! then standards are going to drop.

ty

Ngon

if gameplay > graphics, why upgrade consoles for? you know.

even creator of wii said wii is a gamecube

Good poit about upgrading consoles. The same could be said of PCs. I wonder why people upgrade PCs? Maybe they like better graphics? 

not just graphics... better physics and AI

Sheep need to stop using this excuse "gameplay > graphics"

just admit it, wii is aim for kids and casuals gamers

I dont think anyone could say it better than that

History has proven that people get bored with dated graphics. People will get bored with the Wii. Bad graphics = bad gameplay. Berserker_2

and bad graphics =/= bad gameplay.

Yes, and sometimes different = poorer

Prove Zelda + Wiimote has gameplay that even comes close to Oblivion. You can't. Because an Input deveice doesn't equate good gameplay

callmewaffle

Prove Oblivion has gameplay that even comes close to Zelda on Wii.  You can't. Because it's a matter of personal opinion.

I'm not reading that, only replying to your topic title.

I guess thats why Xbox did so much better than th PS2 right?...

tocool340

OMG here we go again

XBOX high end

PS2's High end

Wii's current high end

PS3/360 current high end

Drastic difference.. do you understand ..:|

Can you also comprehend the graphics gap between the systems will widen......and it looks the Wii should have competed agaisnt the PS2 and XBox.

Can you also comprehend the graphics gap between the systems will widen......and it looks the Wii should have competed agaisnt the PS2 and XBox.

Silvereign

Why do people believe physics and ai, spessally AI are undoable on wii? it never took next gen power to give halo's grunts and far cry's army their AI, and it certainly didn't take next gen power to give psi ops it's physics...kittykatz5k

I was thinking the same thing. But then again, it proves that there are people whose IQ's are equal to or less than a brick.

[QUOTE="Silvereign"]

Can you also comprehend the graphics gap between the systems will widen......and it looks the Wii should have competed agaisnt the PS2 and XBox.

BuryMe

it will but it will be barely over Xbox's capabilities or if even equal to. 

[QUOTE="Ngon"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"]

Theres been loads of sheep posts saying: Gameplay>>>>Graphics

which is extremely true, however, just because a game has good graphics are we saying that the gameplay is going to suck? hell no! think about it: GeOW, Oblivion, R:FOM

these are all great games and yet, they have nice graphics (i know im going to get 100000 posts saying "R:FOM wasnt goodgraphics!!!"... but, it was, it ss graphics scored a 9 in gamespot.)

better hardware means more room to push gameplay and graphics. AND ANYWAY, LETS ENCOURAGE DEVS TO KEEP STANDARDS HIGH! if for every game that comes out we go: Graphics dont matter! then standards are going to drop.

ty

Berserker_2

if gameplay > graphics, why upgrade consoles for? you know.

even creator of wii said wii is a gamecube

Good poit about upgrading consoles. The same could be said of PCs. I wonder why people upgrade PCs? Maybe they like better graphics?

Well not only because people like better graphics but because after a couple of years you can't even play the new games at the lowest graphics. I think that both graphic and gameplay is about as important. I think that it depends on what game it is, Counter-Strike for example doesn't need good graphics because it's all about online competition, while games like Gear of War who wouldn't be considered a great game without it's great graphics depends on them.

[QUOTE="tocool340"]

I'm not reading that, only replying to your topic title.

I guess thats why Xbox did so much better than th PS2 right?...

Silvereign

OMG here we go again

XBOX high end

PS2's High end

Wii's current high end

PS3/360 current high end

Drastic difference.. do you understand ..:|

Can you also comprehend the graphics gap between the systems will widen......and it looks the Wii should have competed agaisnt the PS2 and XBox.

I seriously don't see a huge difference besides 360/ps3 games look more shinier and a tad more colorful. Thats about all I see in those pics.

And I was also using the topic title logic...:| It says better HARDWARE = BETTER GAMEPLAY. XBOX was 3 TIME powerful than PS2, but did it make up any differnce in the gameplay?  NO. I also guess thats the reason 360 Sonic and madden score higher than the Wii's score, right?......:roll:

[QUOTE="Ngon"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"]

Theres been loads of sheep posts saying: Gameplay>>>>Graphics

which is extremely true, however, just because a game has good graphics are we saying that the gameplay is going to suck? hell no! think about it: GeOW, Oblivion, R:FOM

these are all great games and yet, they have nice graphics (i know im going to get 100000 posts saying "R:FOM wasnt goodgraphics!!!"... but, it was, it ss graphics scored a 9 in gamespot.)

better hardware means more room to push gameplay and graphics. AND ANYWAY, LETS ENCOURAGE DEVS TO KEEP STANDARDS HIGH! if for every game that comes out we go: Graphics dont matter! then standards are going to drop.

ty

Berserker_2

if gameplay > graphics, why upgrade consoles for? you know.

even creator of wii said wii is a gamecube

Good poit about upgrading consoles. The same could be said of PCs. I wonder why people upgrade PCs? Maybe they like better graphics?

People update PC's to keep up to date..  they keep up to date to be able to play the PC games of today... because todays PC games need real video cards, not $20 ones... lol ?

[QUOTE="Stumpt25"]

Theres been loads of sheep posts saying: Gameplay>>>>Graphics

which is extremely true, however, just because a game has good graphics are we saying that the gameplay is going to suck? hell no! think about it: GeOW, Oblivion, R:FOM

these are all great games and yet, they have nice graphics (i know im going to get 100000 posts saying "R:FOM wasnt goodgraphics!!!"... but, it was, it ss graphics scored a 9 in gamespot.)

better hardware means more room to push gameplay and graphics. AND ANYWAY, LETS ENCOURAGE DEVS TO KEEP STANDARDS HIGH! if for every game that comes out we go: Graphics dont matter! then standards are going to drop.

ty

Berserker_2

Sony and MS took real risks in pushing the envelop of technology in games. Nintendo whined and cried and then concocted the Wiimote.

History has proven that people get bored with dated graphics. People will get bored with the Wii. Bad graphics = bad gameplay.

[QUOTE="tocool340"]

I'm not reading that, only replying to your topic title.

I guess thats why Xbox did so much better than th PS2 right?...

Silvereign

OMG here we go again

XBOX high end

PS2's High end

Wii's current high end

PS3/360 current high end

Drastic difference.. do you understand ..:|

Can you also comprehend the graphics gap between the systems will widen......and it looks the Wii should have competed agaisnt the PS2 and XBox.

 And ? 360/PS3 creators knew exactly what they wanted... machines with good out put. Nintendo decided to walk away from high output this time around, and try something new. And they did, and look at all the praise, and all the hate its getting, Look at the ps3, the praise, and hate, same with the 360. Everyone has their own opinion as to what they want to play. and for what price range. Most people cannot afford a 4-600 dollar gaming console, let alone an HDTV... so what do they do ? they go to the wii, which has mediocre graphics, fun games, promising titles... and so on.