BF3: Amoured Kill to feature the largest maps in the history of Battlefield

The greatest competitive FPS of all time just got better... again.

Master_ShakeXXX

Bought premium two days ago, cannot get enough of BF3. Favorite FPS ever released, and I've played a ton.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Squad up and play the objective. If the enemy doesn't have players at the objective, then there's something seriously wrong.JohnnyCageMK

Metro is actually broken at times because of the choke points in some of the underground bases. So if you need that kind of help to "find" enemies you just flat out suck.The criticism is valid on large map conquest games. I've been in a number of games, even "almost full" games where it's just too easy to run around to different objectives and maybe at most only engage 1 or 2 enemies to win/lose a base. But come on man, ANY Rush map should have plenty of enemies defending/attacking. If you don't see enemies playing Rush you are just doing it wrong. Way, way wrong.

I think on consoles Rush is the go-to mode, conquest is not optimized right for consoles - the player count can really only handle 3 conquest bases - not 4 or 5 unless they boost the player count. But Rush is still awesome fun even on consoles.

I'm sure Conquest is a far better mode on PC, and that is the classic BF3 mode, so no doubt PC is the way to go. But it's still plenty fun playing Rush and some of the other modes on consoles.

The largest maps in the history of vanilla, unmodded Battlefield. I doubt they will outdo Project Reality.

Brendissimo35

Yeah, but size doesn't always equal fun. Project Reality and Forgotten Hope 2 require a lot of patients to enjoy. Hell I can't even get into Project Reality because the engine is clearly not built for realism in the slightest.

Project Reality and Forgotten Hope 2 require a lot of patients to enjoy.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Project Reality and Forgotten Hope 2 require a lot of patients to enjoy.

lowe0

Not at all. In Project Reality, unless you dig waiting around base for somebody to pick you up or walking 2km to the battle, the game is boring for most people. There is a reason why ArmA isn't an extremely popular shooter outside of the message boards.

Making a game bigger, more realistic, or just more robust in general doesn't automatically make it more fun and a better game. In fact, it usually makes it appeal to less players and makes it more frustrating to play.

Only self-titled "hardcore gamers" play games to be frustrated.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Project Reality and Forgotten Hope 2 require a lot of patients to enjoy.

Wasdie

Not at all. In Project Reality, unless you dig waiting around base for somebody to pick you up or walking 2km to the battle, the game is boring for most people. There is a reason why ArmA isn't an extremely popular shooter outside of the message boards.

Making a game bigger, more realistic, or just more robust in general doesn't automatically make it more fun and a better game. In fact, it usually makes it appeal to less players and makes it more frustrating to play.

Only self-titled "hardcore gamers" play games to be frustrated.

Something went over your head ;)

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Only if you're playing medic.2Chalupas

Not at all. In Project Reality, unless you dig waiting around base for somebody to pick you up or walking 2km to the battle, the game is boring for most people. There is a reason why ArmA isn't an extremely popular shooter outside of the message boards.

Making a game bigger, more realistic, or just more robust in general doesn't automatically make it more fun and a better game. In fact, it usually makes it appeal to less players and makes it more frustrating to play.

Only self-titled "hardcore gamers" play games to be frustrated.

Something went over your head ;)

Oh, so I used the wrong version of a word. My bad.

My point is still valid.

[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Not at all. In Project Reality, unless you dig waiting around base for somebody to pick you up or walking 2km to the battle, the game is boring for most people. There is a reason why ArmA isn't an extremely popular shooter outside of the message boards.

Making a game bigger, more realistic, or just more robust in general doesn't automatically make it more fun and a better game. In fact, it usually makes it appeal to less players and makes it more frustrating to play.

Only self-titled "hardcore gamers" play games to be frustrated.

Wasdie

Something went over your head ;)

Oh, so I used the wrong version of a word. My bad.

My point is still valid.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Project Reality and Forgotten Hope 2 require a lot of patients to enjoy.

lowe0

Good, this sounds WAY WAY better then the close quarter DLC.
Large big maps fit BF very well.

Consolization continues. Derptomarlyn

How so?

I guess you can make relaly big sweeping statements and continue to look like an idiot, or you could actually elaborate. But if it's about consolization of BF3, you'll still look like an idiot.

Good, this sounds WAY WAY better then the close quarter DLC.
Large big maps fit BF very well.

kozzy1234

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Consolization continues. DerpWasdie

How so?

I guess you can make relaly big sweeping statements and continue to look like an idiot, or you could actually elaborate. But if it's about consolization of BF3, you'll still look like an idiot.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Good, this sounds WAY WAY better then the close quarter DLC.
Large big maps fit BF very well.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Good, this sounds WAY WAY better then the close quarter DLC.
Large big maps fit BF very well.

danish-death

[QUOTE="danish-death"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Yeah, it's Battlefield, not Battlefloor.:P

mitu123

Me to, I dont mind 1 or 2 smaller maps (metro?), but bigger ones ahve always been a staple of BF series.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Squad up and play the objective. If the enemy doesn't have players at the objective, then there's something seriously wrong.JohnnyCageMK

Yup you havent played the game:lol:

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="danish-death"] As I said earlier, BF appeals to a broader amount of gamers + diversity have never hurt anyone.kozzy1234

Me to, I dont mind 1 or 2 smaller maps (metro?), but bigger ones ahve always been a staple of BF series.

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

You must not play a lot of games.

Wasdie

Yes.

Again, you don't play alot of games.

Bad Company 1 and 2 were PERFECT on consoles because the player limit was not hindered by the size of the maps

These ones are, I play the objective all the time and I still will go to a flag and find it uncontested or with 2 players max

Think about this on a map like Firestorm

2 players in jets

2-4 players in helicopters

1 player doing a various thing like waiting for a respawn

Right there that is 5-7 players so that leaves only around 5 players that are actually playing on the ground.

Don't get so defensive when someone has a different opinion then yours

[QUOTE="Brendissimo35"]

The largest maps in the history of vanilla, unmodded Battlefield. I doubt they will outdo Project Reality.

Wasdie

Yeah, but size doesn't always equal fun. Project Reality and Forgotten Hope 2 require a lot of patients to enjoy. Hell I can't even get into Project Reality because the engine is clearly not built for realism in the slightest.

A matter of preference. For a time I found Project Reality to be great fun, as long as you were in a server where people used their mics, and playing with friends. Forgotten Hope 1 was by far my favorite mod for BF1942, and FH2 is pretty good in of itself.

My point is semantics in the end, I just don't like that their big marketing claim is technically incorrect. And a huge map won't do a whole lot of good if the cap points are clustered together... which is a distinct possibility given BF3's current state on 64 person size maps.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="danish-death"] As I said earlier, BF appeals to a broader amount of gamers + diversity have never hurt anyone.kozzy1234

Me to, I dont mind 1 or 2 smaller maps (metro?), but bigger ones ahve always been a staple of BF series.

Close Quarters is still a lot of fun. I didn't think I would enjoy it as much as I am

[QUOTE="Brendissimo35"]

The largest maps in the history of vanilla, unmodded Battlefield. I doubt they will outdo Project Reality.

danish-death

Well in general I would hope game developers would look at mods that were popular for their games and take a few ques from them when making sequels, which DICE has done at times.

But no, I don't expect them to take previous games' mods into account when marketing this new DLC. It's just that "largest map in battlefield history" is probably going to be incorrect.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Brendissimo35"]

The largest maps in the history of vanilla, unmodded Battlefield. I doubt they will outdo Project Reality.

Brendissimo35

Yeah, but size doesn't always equal fun. Project Reality and Forgotten Hope 2 require a lot of patients to enjoy. Hell I can't even get into Project Reality because the engine is clearly not built for realism in the slightest.

A matter of preference. For a time I found Project Reality to be great fun, as long as you were in a server where people used their mics, and playing with friends. Forgotten Hope 1 was by far my favorite mod for BF1942, and FH2 is pretty good in of itself.

My point is semantics in the end, I just don't like that their big marketing claim is technically incorrect. And a huge map won't do a whole lot of good if the cap points are clustered together... which is a distinct possibility given BF3's current state on 64 person size maps.

I think the vanilla maps are just fine. It allows for an emphasis of combined arms but still lets the infantry battle it out. Tanks, AFVs, jets, and helis all still play a very important role despite the flags closer proximity to each other. If you don't believe that, then I don't think you've played BF3 at all.

It will be nice to see vehicles playing a more central role than infantry, but the general gameplay of Battlefield isn't ruined with BF3 at all. It's still there, it's just evolved along with the genre.

[QUOTE="danish-death"][QUOTE="Brendissimo35"]

The largest maps in the history of vanilla, unmodded Battlefield. I doubt they will outdo Project Reality.

Brendissimo35

Well in general I would hope game developers would look at mods that were popular for their games and take a few ques from them when making sequels, which DICE has done at times.

But no, I don't expect them to take previous games' mods into account when marketing this new DLC. It's just that "largest map in battlefield history" is probably going to be incorrect.

This is exciting, and I love that you can jump out of the AC-130 as a mobile spawn point. This is an idea I had forever ago for a game and thought it would be amazing, and here is Battlefield implementing my awesome idea into their awesome game.

"including the ATM, two mobile artillery vehicles, two light tanks, and the AC-130 GUNSHIP."

"However, the AC-130 cannot be flown, and instead automatically circles the control point."

Just like how all the stock maps were all the biggest maps in the history of battlefield.....

Oh wait

Now if only they would have released them as proper expansion packs instead of making us pay £40 for all of them at once and make us wait to get them one after the other, all the time wondering if the next will be good or utter garbage.

Now if only they would have released them as proper expansion packs instead of making us pay £40 for all of them at once and make us wait to get them one after the other, all the time wondering if the next will be good or utter garbage.

-Unreal-

You don't have to buy Premium, you can buy each one individually when they come out. These are expansion packs.

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] trust me i do, all the objectives are vacant, im mostly playing a cat and mouse game, i take D they take A and it keeps going on and on.

Promised_Trini

Yup you havent played the game:lol:

Ended up buying Premium yesterday. Just couldn't resist. I know I'll eventually buy all DLC anyway so this ends up being a good deal. Although 50? is expensive and I can't help but feel slightly ripped off because of B2K. And all those little things in Battelog, just couldn't resist :)I'm even enjoying Close Quarters a lot, although I generally prefer big open maps. Playing these CQ maps with a smaller player count, like 24 players, is great fun. And people actually tend to stick together more than on vanilla or B2K, because you can't spawn on flags. And the maps are very well made, in terms of destruction, and so on.

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] The only time I could ever find enemies was Rush on Metro and a couple of the smaller maps. Player count is way too small on consoles.JohnnyCageMK

Yup you havent played the game:lol:

Do you own any Consoles?....I wonder...

And the Swedish domination continues! To be completely honest I'm looking forward to the close quarter maps a bit more :o. Mostly because I suck at vehicle combat but do ok man to man. But that's a great thing about BF. It provides tons of variety and there are many different styles to play it.

Now if only they would have released them as proper expansion packs instead of making us pay £40 for all of them at once and make us wait to get them one after the other, all the time wondering if the next will be good or utter garbage.

-Unreal-

These ARE expansion packs. The name of them has changed to DLC though in modern gaming and everyone hates those 3 letters because they think they're evil. An expansion pack was just added content at a price, fail to see how this is any different. It's a LOT of content for the price and it's almost as much content overall if not more than when the game launched. if you count Back to Karkand it is more content than when BF3 launched

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

Oh cool so console players get to run around the map some more without finding anyone

JohnnyCageMK

That's awesome and may have to get that. Heil68

The greatest competitive FPS of all time just got better... again.

Master_ShakeXXX

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The greatest competitive FPS of all time just got better... again.

II_Seraphim_II

Quake 3, Counter Strike. Take your pick.

Before you cry that the AWP in CS is OP, you need to realize it's balanced for CS brand of competitive play, not pubbing with long rounds and unlimited money.

[QUOTE="Brendissimo35"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Yeah, but size doesn't always equal fun. Project Reality and Forgotten Hope 2 require a lot of patients to enjoy. Hell I can't even get into Project Reality because the engine is clearly not built for realism in the slightest.

Wasdie

A matter of preference. For a time I found Project Reality to be great fun, as long as you were in a server where people used their mics, and playing with friends. Forgotten Hope 1 was by far my favorite mod for BF1942, and FH2 is pretty good in of itself.

My point is semantics in the end, I just don't like that their big marketing claim is technically incorrect. And a huge map won't do a whole lot of good if the cap points are clustered together... which is a distinct possibility given BF3's current state on 64 person size maps.

I think the vanilla maps are just fine. It allows for an emphasis of combined arms but still lets the infantry battle it out. Tanks, AFVs, jets, and helis all still play a very important role despite the flags closer proximity to each other. If you don't believe that, then I don't think you've played BF3 at all.

It will be nice to see vehicles playing a more central role than infantry, but the general gameplay of Battlefield isn't ruined with BF3 at all. It's still there, it's just evolved along with the genre.

I never said vehicles don't play an important role in bf3, but the way the points are clustered makes the overall area that people actually play in, with vehicles or on foot, much smaller. This was a significant departure from traditional Battlefield gameplay on 64 person sized maps.

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

Yup you havent played the game:lol:

Promised_Trini

Do you own any Consoles?....I wonder...

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Umm yeah I have. I even pre-ordered it to get the expansion pack cause I thought I'd be playing it for awhile. I ended up selling it on ebay. And obviously I'm not the only one with the opinion that BF3 is freakin boring on consoles.mitu123

Do you own any Consoles?....I wonder...

True dat

Yeah 15 mins per kill can't wait.:roll: