BF3/FPS On Consoles: Crime Against Gamers?

Works great for me on my 360 :)

Or most people don't take gaming that seriously and play for fun in their down time inbetween living their lives.

I don't think everybody sit there hunched over a computer trying to get the best K/D ratio and have surperior "1337 FPS G4M1NG SK1ILLZZZZ".

Should've tried the 360 version. :P

Should've tried the 360 version. :P

OhSnapitz

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Should've tried the 360 version. :P

ShadowDeathX

Works great for me on my 360 :)

lundy86_4

Or most people don't take gaming that seriously and play for fun in their down time inbetween living their lives.I don't think everybody sit there hunched over a computer trying to get the best K/D ratio and have surperior "1337 FPS G4M1NG SK1ILLZZZZ".Wasdie

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Or most people don't take gaming that seriously and play for fun in their down time inbetween living their lives.I don't think everybody sit there hunched over a computer trying to get the best K/D ratio and have surperior "1337 FPS G4M1NG SK1ILLZZZZ".Ironbash

[QUOTE="Ironbash"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]Or most people don't take gaming that seriously and play for fun in their down time inbetween living their lives.I don't think everybody sit there hunched over a computer trying to get the best K/D ratio and have surperior "1337 FPS G4M1NG SK1ILLZZZZ".PC360Wii

If you somehow cannot enjoy gaming on a controller that has proven itself to be fine for all sorts of games for nearly two decades, then you need to reevaluate your hobbies.

"Flaws" in a dual analog stick controller are relative to that of your own prefrences. You can make a *bad* controller but the current ones on the market are far from bad.

If you dwell on a "flaw" with a controller for FPSs to the point it makes you not enjoy games, then you're taking it way to seriously.

Bascially you sound like this whenever somebody can't have fun with a controller: "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE! CAN'T YOU SEE YOU'RE RUINING GAMING? STOP HAVING FUN!"

There are niche exceptions though, those are few and far between.

Played both console versions and had plenty of fun :/Ravensmash

Fun enough to sell it right away?

AMIRTE?!

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Played both console versions and had plenty of fun :/Wasdie

Fun enough to sell it right away?

AMIRTE?!

People like the TC are why gamers have such bad reputations.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="Ironbash"] This. Seriously OP get another hobby or something. Wasdie

If you somehow cannot enjoy gaming on a controller that has proven itself to be fine for all sorts of games for nearly two decades, then you need to reevaluate your hobbies.

"Flaws" in a dual analog stick controller are relative to that of your own prefrences. You can make a *bad* controller but the current ones on the market are far from bad.

If you dwell on a "flaw" with a controller for FPSs to the point it makes you not enjoy games, then you're taking it way to seriously.

Bascially you sound like this whenever somebody can't have fun with a controller: "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE! CAN'T YOU SEE YOU'RE RUINING GAMING? STOP HAVING FUN!"

There are niche exceptions though, those are few and far between.

Uh, the consoles are inferior machines, lagging behind in precision and technology, how is focusing games on an inferior device not hurting gaming?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Except the op outlined flaws in gameplay with the controller that are accurate....Stalkerfieldsis

If you somehow cannot enjoy gaming on a controller that has proven itself to be fine for all sorts of games for nearly two decades, then you need to reevaluate your hobbies.

"Flaws" in a dual analog stick controller are relative to that of your own prefrences. You can make a *bad* controller but the current ones on the market are far from bad.

If you dwell on a "flaw" with a controller for FPSs to the point it makes you not enjoy games, then you're taking it way to seriously.

Bascially you sound like this whenever somebody can't have fun with a controller: "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE! CAN'T YOU SEE YOU'RE RUINING GAMING? STOP HAVING FUN!"

There are niche exceptions though, those are few and far between.

Uh, the consoles are inferior machines, lagging behind in precision and technology, how is focusing games on an inferior device not hurting gaming?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Except the op outlined flaws in gameplay with the controller that are accurate....Stalkerfieldsis

If you somehow cannot enjoy gaming on a controller that has proven itself to be fine for all sorts of games for nearly two decades, then you need to reevaluate your hobbies.

"Flaws" in a dual analog stick controller are relative to that of your own prefrences. You can make a *bad* controller but the current ones on the market are far from bad.

If you dwell on a "flaw" with a controller for FPSs to the point it makes you not enjoy games, then you're taking it way to seriously.

Bascially you sound like this whenever somebody can't have fun with a controller: "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE! CAN'T YOU SEE YOU'RE RUINING GAMING? STOP HAVING FUN!"

There are niche exceptions though, those are few and far between.

Uh, the consoles are an inferior machine, lagging behind in precision and technology, how is focusing games on an inferior device not hurting gaming?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Except the op outlined flaws in gameplay with the controller that are accurate....Stalkerfieldsis

If you somehow cannot enjoy gaming on a controller that has proven itself to be fine for all sorts of games for nearly two decades, then you need to reevaluate your hobbies.

"Flaws" in a dual analog stick controller are relative to that of your own prefrences. You can make a *bad* controller but the current ones on the market are far from bad.

If you dwell on a "flaw" with a controller for FPSs to the point it makes you not enjoy games, then you're taking it way to seriously.

Bascially you sound like this whenever somebody can't have fun with a controller: "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE! CAN'T YOU SEE YOU'RE RUINING GAMING? STOP HAVING FUN!"

There are niche exceptions though, those are few and far between.

Uh, the consoles are inferior machines, lagging behind in precision and technology, how is focusing games on an inferior device not hurting gaming?

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

If you somehow cannot enjoy gaming on a controller that has proven itself to be fine for all sorts of games for nearly two decades, then you need to reevaluate your hobbies.

"Flaws" in a dual analog stick controller are relative to that of your own prefrences. You can make a *bad* controller but the current ones on the market are far from bad.

If you dwell on a "flaw" with a controller for FPSs to the point it makes you not enjoy games, then you're taking it way to seriously.

Bascially you sound like this whenever somebody can't have fun with a controller: "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE! CAN'T YOU SEE YOU'RE RUINING GAMING? STOP HAVING FUN!"

There are niche exceptions though, those are few and far between.

mems_1224

Uh, the consoles are inferior machines, lagging behind in precision and technology, how is focusing games on an inferior device not hurting gaming?

What i said is true, does stating the truth make me an A hole? Prove how my post is wrong.

Otherwise if you wanna insult me because you don't like the truth, then maybe you should just leave.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Except the op outlined flaws in gameplay with the controller that are accurate....Stalkerfieldsis

If you somehow cannot enjoy gaming on a controller that has proven itself to be fine for all sorts of games for nearly two decades, then you need to reevaluate your hobbies.

"Flaws" in a dual analog stick controller are relative to that of your own prefrences. You can make a *bad* controller but the current ones on the market are far from bad.

If you dwell on a "flaw" with a controller for FPSs to the point it makes you not enjoy games, then you're taking it way to seriously.

Bascially you sound like this whenever somebody can't have fun with a controller: "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE! CAN'T YOU SEE YOU'RE RUINING GAMING? STOP HAVING FUN!"

There are niche exceptions though, those are few and far between.

Uh, the consoles are inferior machines, lagging behind in precision and technology, how is focusing games on an inferior device not hurting gaming?

We've hit a period of time where even the weak consoles have more than enough resources to do nearly any thing the developer wants them to do.

The only thing that consoles are "holding back" is graphics, and those are getting so good they are natrually about to stop advancing due to the time it takes to make games with the photorealistic graphics PC gamers think every game should have.

Consoles are only inferior in the mind of somebody who knows nothing about gaming outside of pretty graphics and thinks by playing one platform makes you better.

There are plenty of PC exclusives that are niche and appeal to very small audiences. Mainstream gaming hasn't changed in decades. It's just that people think that the niche genres are the direction gaming should head.

Should've tried the 360 version. :P

OhSnapitz

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Uh, the consoles are inferior machines, lagging behind in precision and technology, how is focusing games on an inferior device not hurting gaming?

What i said is true, does stating the truth make me an A hole? Prove how my post is wrong.

Otherwise if you wanna insult me because you don't like the truth, then maybe you should just leave.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

If you somehow cannot enjoy gaming on a controller that has proven itself to be fine for all sorts of games for nearly two decades, then you need to reevaluate your hobbies.

"Flaws" in a dual analog stick controller are relative to that of your own prefrences. You can make a *bad* controller but the current ones on the market are far from bad.

If you dwell on a "flaw" with a controller for FPSs to the point it makes you not enjoy games, then you're taking it way to seriously.

Bascially you sound like this whenever somebody can't have fun with a controller: "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE! CAN'T YOU SEE YOU'RE RUINING GAMING? STOP HAVING FUN!"

There are niche exceptions though, those are few and far between.

Wasdie

Uh, the consoles are inferior machines, lagging behind in precision and technology, how is focusing games on an inferior device not hurting gaming?

We've hit a period of time where even the weak consoles have more than enough resources to do nearly any thing the developer wants them to do.

The only thing that consoles are "holding back" is graphics, and those are getting so good they are natrually about to stop advancing due to the time it takes to make games with the photorealistic graphics PC gamers think every game should have.

Consoles are only inferior in the mind of somebody who knows nothing about gaming outside of pretty graphics and thinks by playing one platform makes you better.

There are plenty of PC exclusives that are niche and appeal to very small audiences. Mainstream gaming hasn't changed in decades. It's just that people think that the niche genres are the direction gaming should head.

Really? Well then I just imagined that DICE had to shrink 7 YEAR OLD BF2 maps so that consoles could handle them in BF3. Every aspect of content is held back by consoles, not just graphics.

My favorite games:

Arma 2

Project Reality (BF2)

STALKER series

BF 2 and 2142

Crysis 1

Garry's Mod

RedOrchestra 1 and 2

MANY of those games are NOT graphical stunners (though many are), so clearly I only care about graphics :roll:

"make games with the photorealistic graphics PC gamers think every game should have." Yet many console gamers are like "OMG we want the next gen consoles already, I want my photorealistic graphics!!" and "OMG the PS3/Xbox360 version is better because it has 3 more lines of resolution!"

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="Ironbash"] This. Seriously OP get another hobby or something. Wasdie

If you somehow cannot enjoy gaming on a controller that has proven itself to be fine for all sorts of games for nearly two decades, then you need to reevaluate your hobbies.

"Flaws" in a dual analog stick controller are relative to that of your own prefrences. You can make a *bad* controller but the current ones on the market are far from bad.

If you dwell on a "flaw" with a controller for FPSs to the point it makes you not enjoy games, then you're taking it way to seriously.

Bascially you sound like this whenever somebody can't have fun with a controller: "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE! CAN'T YOU SEE YOU'RE RUINING GAMING? STOP HAVING FUN!"

There are niche exceptions though, those are few and far between.

I'm sorry but this is a load of BS.

I have ps3/pc version as well, and the PC version is just way way more fun. The differences in bf3 between the 2 versions are huge. Same goes for Skyrim. I guess ME3 is same amount of fun on both platforms, not many differences other than fps.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Uh, the consoles are inferior machines, lagging behind in precision and technology, how is focusing games on an inferior device not hurting gaming?

Stalkerfieldsis

We've hit a period of time where even the weak consoles have more than enough resources to do nearly any thing the developer wants them to do.

The only thing that consoles are "holding back" is graphics, and those are getting so good they are natrually about to stop advancing due to the time it takes to make games with the photorealistic graphics PC gamers think every game should have.

Consoles are only inferior in the mind of somebody who knows nothing about gaming outside of pretty graphics and thinks by playing one platform makes you better.

There are plenty of PC exclusives that are niche and appeal to very small audiences. Mainstream gaming hasn't changed in decades. It's just that people think that the niche genres are the direction gaming should head.

Really? Well then I just imagined that DICE had to shrink 7 YEAR OLD BF2 maps so that consoles could handle them in BF3. Every aspect of content is held back by consoels, not just graphics.

My favorite games:

Arma 2

Project Reality (BF2)

STALKER series

BF 2 ans 2142

Crysis 1

Garry's Mod

RedOrchestra 1 and 2

MANY of those games are NOT graphical stunners (though many ar)e, so clearly I only care about graphics :roll:

"make games with the photorealistic graphics PC gamers think every game should have." Yet many console gamers are like "OMG we want the next gen consoles already, I want my photorealistic graphics!!"

Ha, you're still one of those misguided fools who believe they shrunk the BF2 maps for BF3.

You aren't worth time time.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Except the op outlined flaws in gameplay with the controller that are accurate....Jankarcop

If you somehow cannot enjoy gaming on a controller that has proven itself to be fine for all sorts of games for nearly two decades, then you need to reevaluate your hobbies.

"Flaws" in a dual analog stick controller are relative to that of your own prefrences. You can make a *bad* controller but the current ones on the market are far from bad.

If you dwell on a "flaw" with a controller for FPSs to the point it makes you not enjoy games, then you're taking it way to seriously.

Bascially you sound like this whenever somebody can't have fun with a controller: "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE! CAN'T YOU SEE YOU'RE RUINING GAMING? STOP HAVING FUN!"

There are niche exceptions though, those are few and far between.

I'm sorry but this is a load of BS.

I have ps3/pc version as well, and the PC version is just way way more fun. The differences in bf3 between the 2 versions are huge. Same goes for Skyrim. I guess ME3 is same amount of fun on both platforms, not many differences other than fps.

You completely missed the point of what I said.

Did you throw away BF3 on the consoles the second you picked it up because you thought the thing was inferior trash? If you did, you need new hobbies.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

We've hit a period of time where even the weak consoles have more than enough resources to do nearly any thing the developer wants them to do.

The only thing that consoles are "holding back" is graphics, and those are getting so good they are natrually about to stop advancing due to the time it takes to make games with the photorealistic graphics PC gamers think every game should have.

Consoles are only inferior in the mind of somebody who knows nothing about gaming outside of pretty graphics and thinks by playing one platform makes you better.

There are plenty of PC exclusives that are niche and appeal to very small audiences. Mainstream gaming hasn't changed in decades. It's just that people think that the niche genres are the direction gaming should head.

Wasdie

Really? Well then I just imagined that DICE had to shrink 7 YEAR OLD BF2 maps so that consoles could handle them in BF3. Every aspect of content is held back by consoels, not just graphics.

My favorite games:

Arma 2

Project Reality (BF2)

STALKER series

BF 2 ans 2142

Crysis 1

Garry's Mod

RedOrchestra 1 and 2

MANY of those games are NOT graphical stunners (though many ar)e, so clearly I only care about graphics :roll:

"make games with the photorealistic graphics PC gamers think every game should have." Yet many console gamers are like "OMG we want the next gen consoles already, I want my photorealistic graphics!!"

Ha, you're still one of those misguided fools who believe they shrunk the BF2 maps for BF3.

You aren't worth time time.

Then why did they you pretentious douche?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Really? Well then I just imagined that DICE had to shrink 7 YEAR OLD BF2 maps so that consoles could handle them in BF3. Every aspect of content is held back by consoels, not just graphics.

My favorite games:

Arma 2

Project Reality (BF2)

STALKER series

BF 2 ans 2142

Crysis 1

Garry's Mod

RedOrchestra 1 and 2

MANY of those games are NOT graphical stunners (though many ar)e, so clearly I only care about graphics :roll:

"make games with the photorealistic graphics PC gamers think every game should have." Yet many console gamers are like "OMG we want the next gen consoles already, I want my photorealistic graphics!!"

Stalkerfieldsis

Ha, you're still one of those misguided fools who believe they shrunk the BF2 maps for BF3.

You aren't worth time time.

Then why did they you pretentious douche?

Because of the console and CoD crowd, BF3 is lacking when compared to its 7 year old ancestor in many ways, that's a big problem!

No, shut up. The PC ain't perfect.

So here's a fun question: I have a triple monitor setup. Since this isn't yet a mainstream setup, support is still frustratingly inconsistent. Would it be fair for me to blame you single-monitor users for holding back my gaming experience? If not, why not?lowe0

It wouldn't, because other than the monitor support, your games aren't ruined by single monitors, as opposed to very core features of games being ruined by console limitations.

However, unlike how consolers are unable to admit PC is better, I WOULD be able to admit multi-display is better, although only for resolution and FOV..

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Ha, you're still one of those misguided fools who believe they shrunk the BF2 maps for BF3.

You aren't worth time time.

Stalkerfieldsis

Then why did they you pretentious douche?

Because of the console and CoD crowd, BF3 is lacking when compared to its 7 year old ancestor in many ways, that's a big problem!

No, you're an idiot. You quoted your own post. Were you trying to respond with your alt and forgot to log out?

Go check the distances between the flags in BF2 and in BF3. They are the same.

The differences are that BF3 has an unlimited view distance, characters move faster, sprint faster, have unlimited sprint, vehicles move faster. Also, everything is just a little larger scale. Characters are larger, trees, rocks, buildings, everything is a little fatter to show off the detail of the textures better. They can get away with having stuff have larger surface area for textures as the texture res is much higher.

The only map they "shrunk" was Karkand where they moved the American spawn location a bit closer to eliminate the long run. The rest of the maps are the same size.

Of course you won't believe me, it's just easier to dismiss it and believe that DICE "casualized" everything becuase that will make you feel superior.

Though, keep calling games casualized and made for the CoD audience. You're just proving my point about PC gamers.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"][QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]Then why did they you pretentious douche?Wasdie

Wasdie is right. I've read the official BF3 guide, and there is virtually no difference between the 64 and 24 player version minus an extra m-com station in some of the smaller maps. Ironbash

He's talking about BF2 to BF3, not BF3 on the PC to BF3 on the consoles. He's still wrong but wants to jump on the hate bandwagon because it makes him feel superior for screaming "casualized".

The games that are aiming for realism and extremely comprehensive control schemes inherently need to be on PC where you can have such a large number of controls mapped. In a title like ArmA II, you also have the extreme amounts of memory needed to render and store the world that will be used without have to reduce the visual quality so far down. However, this argument is not entirely valid, considering the great strides developers have made in producing such large, yet detailed worlds with very good LOD management.

Beyond the graphics issue, the PC does have the general processing potential ace up it's sleeve. We could argue all day about what the Xenon and Cell have and could do, but at the end of the day, something like an Intel i7 is by far the superior CPU, not because of GFLOPS, but because of it's far superior integer and branch prediction performance. Xenon and Cell are underpowered chips for managing a computing system beyond video games. Modern x86 CPUs (even 2 year old Athlon II x4s) really just slap either the Xenon or Cell in workloads involving involving running script and orchestrating a game, such as with AI. Yes, they are competitive in GFLOPS to a degree, but of course Cell loses one of it's 7 enabled SPEs to the OS as well as possibly another one or two to joint rendering with the RSX.

TC, you being terrible at games does not mean everyone is terrible at games. Normal, non crippled people can game on consoles just fine.

[QUOTE="Ironbash"] Wasdie is right. I've read the official BF3 guide, and there is virtually no difference between the 64 and 24 player version minus an extra m-com station in some of the smaller maps. Wasdie

He's talking about BF2 to BF3, not BF3 on the PC to BF3 on the consoles. He's still wrong but wants to jump on the hate bandwagon because it makes him feel superior for screaming "casualized".

[QUOTE="lowe0"]So here's a fun question: I have a triple monitor setup. Since this isn't yet a mainstream setup, support is still frustratingly inconsistent. Would it be fair for me to blame you single-monitor users for holding back my gaming experience? If not, why not?Stalkerfieldsis

It wouldn't, because other than the monitor support, your games aren't ruined by single monitors, as opposed to very core features of games bein, ruined by console limitations.

However, unlike how consolers are unable to admit PC is better, I WOULD be able to admit multi-display is better, although only for resolution and FOV..

Or most people don't take gaming that seriously and play for fun in their down time inbetween living their lives.

I don't think everybody sit there hunched over a computer trying to get the best K/D ratio and have surperior "1337 FPS G4M1NG SK1ILLZZZZ".

Wasdie

Aiming and moving with a controller just feels too clunky for me. The sticks arent accurate or quick enough

get this

Or most people don't take gaming that seriously and play for fun in their down time inbetween living their lives.

I don't think everybody sit there hunched over a computer trying to get the best K/D ratio and have surperior "1337 FPS G4M1NG SK1ILLZZZZ".

Wasdie

I don't see PC gaming ever getting fantastic games like vanquish, forza (which has vehicles and car sounds even iRacing and Project CARS could not get such as the one-77, the 2013 SRT viper and the 2012 Jaguar XJRS), Red dead, Uncharted (storytelling at its finest) , Metal gear solid 3/4 (2 of which are some of the greatest games ever created....on consoles), Gears (the finest TPS mp out there), Ratchet and clank and Mario (the greatest platformers EVER). God of war and Ninja gaiden (Action game series' which will never come to the PC), Super street fighter 4 , Mortal Kombat and this list would continue forever. All I see on PC's I'd like to play is some MMO's, an FPS here and there and RTS's. Ironbash

and yet pc have more high scoring exclusives and the superior version of multiplats.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=0

(exclusives from 11/15/05 to current)
PC AAAe = 15, AAe = 102, Ae = 102
PS3 AAAe = 9, AAe = 20, Ae = 22
360 AAAe = 9, AAe = 19, Ae = 19

[QUOTE="Ironbash"]I don't see PC gaming ever getting fantastic games like vanquish, forza (which has vehicles and car sounds even iRacing and Project CARS could not get such as the one-77, the 2013 SRT viper and the 2012 Jaguar XJRS), Red dead, Uncharted (storytelling at its finest) , Metal gear solid 3/4 (2 of which are some of the greatest games ever created....on consoles), Gears (the finest TPS mp out there), Ratchet and clank and Mario (the greatest platformers EVER). God of war and Ninja gaiden (Action game series' which will never come to the PC), Super street fighter 4 , Mortal Kombat and this list would continue forever. All I see on PC's I'd like to play is some MMO's, an FPS here and there and RTS's. MK-Professor

I have a super fun time playing BF3 on my 360 (come at me hermits). The problem is the rent-a-server thing because of the damn price.

I have a super fun time playing BF3 on my 360 (come at me hermits). The problem is the rent-a-server thing because of the damn price.

sonic1564

Welcome to dedicated servers.

PC gamers have been paying for them for 20 years.

Unlike P2P, dedicated servers require external hardware. It's pretty awesome that console players can even have their own servers. That's a huge benifit of PC gaming that has been brought to the consoles.