[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Compelling argument, there. But I agree. I'm actually in favour with the NGP this time around, but as long as Nintendo has Pokemon up it's sleeve, nothing can beat them in the handheld market. The only thing that can stand up against Pokemon is Monster Hunter, and even that may be going multi platform.
Biggest reason why 3DS will not be as big a success as NGP :
third party support
r12qi
Right now, the 3DS has twice the number of third party devs supporting it than the NGP. And seriously, even if NGP has all the third party support, Nintendo franchises alone can carry of the 3DS on their shoulders. Exhibit A- Wii.
i figured it would be there huge fanbase. not one game.
PA_DUTCH
Pokemon represents Nintendo handhelds. As long as they've got Pokemon up there sleeves, there's nothing that can possibly beat them in the handheld market.
i figured it would be there huge fanbase. not one game.
khoofia_pika
Pokemon represents Nintendo handhelds. As long as they've got Pokemon up there sleeves, there's nothing that can possibly beat them in the handheld market. Monster Hunter comes pretty close, especially considering how many PSPs had sold compared to DSs in Japan when MH was selling so well on PSP.
Depends on the price, CoD for the west, MH for Japan, with cross-platform home console and portable playability may serve as a selling point. Although Pokemon is definitely one of the best global killer apps.
[QUOTE="Ondoval"]
Before judging the unreleased NGP potential to be a big success, could be nice to talk about why 3DS is ot being that big success...
charizard1605
Selling 4 million units in a month isn't being a success? Okay.Sell-in missed the 4 million target. Sell-through is actually in the region of 1 million units in Japan LTD (Media Create), 600k in the US to the end of April (NPD) and 450k for the first three weeks of European sales (Gfk-ChartTrack - UK, France, Germany, Spain).
i figured it would be there huge fanbase. not one game.
110million
Pokemon represents Nintendo handhelds. As long as they've got Pokemon up there sleeves, there's nothing that can possibly beat them in the handheld market. Monster Hunter comes pretty close, especially considering how many PSPs had sold compared to DSs in Japan when MH was selling so well on PSP. I mentioned MH above. I agree it comes pretty close, I think it's the only thing that can keep Nintendo at bay. But even that might be headed for the 3DS: http://www.destructoid.com/rumor-monster-hunter-headed-to-3ds-190594.phtml
[QUOTE="SirDigby84"]Jedward are advertising for Nintendo, thats enough for me to side with the NGP.nintendoboy16
Seriously? :| I am not a Jedward fan at all, but that is a stupid reason to not play a product. Well i wasn't interested in a DS with 3D anyway after seeing the specs on that NGP. Jedward advertising it just adds another reason to not buy it (also that black boyband are too and they're almost as annoying).
[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"][QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="khoofia_pika"] Pokemon represents Nintendo handhelds. As long as they've got Pokemon up there sleeves, there's nothing that can possibly beat them in the handheld market. Monster Hunter comes pretty close, especially considering how many PSPs had sold compared to DSs in Japan when MH was selling so well on PSP. I mentioned MH above. I agree it comes pretty close, I think it's the only thing that can keep Nintendo at bay. But even that might be headed for the 3DS: http://www.destructoid.com/rumor-monster-hunter-headed-to-3ds-190594.phtml forgive me but i have not played any pokemon games but it is rare that new ones come out right? Anyways don't you figure a new 3DS zelda or metroid is just as important? I think it is great that the 3DS has full BC (i believe), shame that the NGP won't.
You know why NGP could be as, or more successful than the 3DS? Its gonna have a CoD which looks to have real online and all that like the console versions. Western markets will eat that up.
[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"][QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="khoofia_pika"] Pokemon represents Nintendo handhelds. As long as they've got Pokemon up there sleeves, there's nothing that can possibly beat them in the handheld market. Monster Hunter comes pretty close, especially considering how many PSPs had sold compared to DSs in Japan when MH was selling so well on PSP. I mentioned MH above. I agree it comes pretty close, I think it's the only thing that can keep Nintendo at bay. But even that might be headed for the 3DS: http://www.destructoid.com/rumor-monster-hunter-headed-to-3ds-190594.phtml Ya, though MH is one of those games that benefits from the widescreen and being able to see more around you. I'm not sure about Japan, but if I had a choice between any random gaming on NGP or 3DS, it would be on NGP 100% of the time. It has touchscreen, dual analogs, and pretty sweet graphics, the only real advantage of 3DS hardware wise is 3D, and thats eh.
I already have a Pokemon game, I don't need another seeing they are nothing more than rehashes with new monsters in them. So if I want to play Pokemon, I have my DS for that. When they release a Pokemon game for the 3DS, it will be the same games as the DS version only with 3D effects. It amazes how Nintendo can release the same game over and over again and get people to continue to buy the same game over and over again.
I don't think Pokemon alone will make the 3DS more successful that nthe NPG. People are bound to get tired Pokemon sooner or later (given the ridiculous rate at which Nintendo churns out these games). Pokemon is that Call Of Duty of Nintendo franchises.
Well... Monster Hunter, with 2 analog sticks isn't going to be something to mess with in japan... I mean they are going to flood the streets upon the release of that game waiting in lines
Well... Monster Hunter, with 2 analog sticks isn't going to be something to mess with in japan... I mean they are going to flood the streets upon the release of that game waiting in lines
VendettaRed07
That would make NGP popular in Japan. Doesn't mean much for the west, niche Japanese games which many won't get localised is all it would mean.
Well... Monster Hunter, with 2 analog sticks isn't going to be something to mess with in japan... I mean they are going to flood the streets upon the release of that game waiting in lines
SaltyMeatballs
That would make NGP popular in Japan. Doesn't mean much for the west, niche Japanese games which many won't get localised is all it would mean. Oh Yeah I know, NGP can't do anything to top the onslaught that is Pokemon... normally... but Monster hunter shouldn't be taken lightly especially when its going to have dual analogs.. I mean people in Japan loved monster hunter so much they like forced themselves to play it by hooking their hands around their psp in the most uncomfortable way imaginable..So this should be everything they wanted...
If the new pokemon isn't everything we want though that might spell trouble.. While I love pokemon they really REALLY need to do something to really grab me this time around, their are no excuses now seeing as how its off the DS.. If it isn't in full polygonal 3D idc how good it is I am NOT buying it lol...
Well... Monster Hunter, with 2 analog sticks isn't going to be something to mess with in japan... I mean they are going to flood the streets upon the release of that game waiting in lines
VendettaRed07
That would make NGP popular in Japan. Doesn't mean much for the west, niche Japanese games which many won't get localised is all it would mean. Oh Yeah I know, NGP can't do anything to top the onslaught that is Pokemon... normally... but Monster hunter shouldn't be taken lightly especially when its going to have dual analogs.. I mean people in Japan loved monster hunter so much they like forced themselves to play it by hooking their hands around their psp in the most uncomfortable way imaginable..So this should be everything they wanted...
If the new pokemon isn't everything we want though that might spell trouble.. While I love pokemon they really REALLY need to do something to really grab me this time around, their are no excuses now seeing as how its off the DS.. If it isn't in full polygonal 3D idc how good it is I am NOT buying it lol...
Monster Hunter might go exclusive to the 3DS, or at least multiplatform. Capcom has hinted at that too many times now. Sony needs a first party system seller, something that it can be assured will stay exclusive. Nintendo has Pokemon, Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Dragon Quest... Sony has Monster Hunter, but again, that seems to be going to the 3DS too.
At first I was like "well how many games DO they sell". And then I was like "shiat.." Yeah, it's kind of surprising how people underestimate the power of Pokemon :P
NGP will be a portable playstation just like the PSP
3DS will continue have interesting games that cater to the hand-held audience.
starwarsgeek112
I don't think that generalization will hold true this time around. The NGP has enough interesting features- including the touchpad at the back- that it might get interesting games of its own. We'll see, I suppose.
[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Yeah, it's kind of surprising how people underestimate the power of Pokemon :P It amazing to see that the Card Game also still sells so well after all these years.
NGP will be a portable playstation just like the PSP
3DS will continue have interesting games that cater to the hand-held audience.
charizard1605
I don't think that generalization will hold true this time around. The NGP has enough interesting features- including the touchpad at the back- that it might get interesting games of its own. We'll see, I suppose. Indeed, it won't be gimped by the lack of 2nd analogue and other buttons.
[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Yeah, it's kind of surprising how people underestimate the power of Pokemon :P It amazing to see that the Card Game also still sells so well after all these years. It does? I seriously did not know that...
NGP will be a portable playstation just like the PSP
3DS will continue have interesting games that cater to the hand-held audience.
SaltyMeatballs
I don't think that generalization will hold true this time around. The NGP has enough interesting features- including the touchpad at the back- that it might get interesting games of its own. We'll see, I suppose. Indeed, it won't be gimped by the lack of 2nd analogue and other buttons. The second analog might actually lead to it getting more console like games. However, as far as unique and quirky handheld type games are concerned, the gyroscope, touchpad and touchscreen should actually help the NGP's case a lot.
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Yeah, it's kind of surprising how people underestimate the power of Pokemon :P It amazing to see that the Card Game also still sells so well after all these years. It does? I seriously did not know that... I used to own those cards and play the blue pokemon game. Good times. :)
NGP: online integration. NGP has full pledge PSN on the go. 3DS has nintendo online support... :lol:
NGP + COD(and online) in terms of sales could threaten even pokemon
charizard1605
But the 3DS will be getting Call of Duty too... Also the people that want COD so much have it already on consoles, NGP will be just another platform. It won't threaten Pokemon at all which is on one platform and people will need that platform to play it. That would depend whether it is a separate game with unique features which I doubt it will be.
[QUOTE="danish-death"] I used to own those cards and play the blue pokemon game. Good times. :) I still have a few thousand Pokemon cards locked away in my house somewhere..
Also the people that want COD so much have it already on consoles, NGP will be just another platform. It won't threaten Pokemon at all which is on one platform and people will need that platform to play it. That would depend whether it is a separate game with unique features which I doubt it will be.SaltyMeatballs
Exactly. Moreover, Call of Duty is associated (for good or for bad) with the Xbox platform, as is evidenced by the fact that the Xbox 360 version is consistently the highest selling one for all Call of Duty games. The one system seller the PSP had was Monster Hunter. Again, at the risk of repeating myself, I say that that game is going multiplatform at the very least.
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