Bill in US Congress that Would Require a Kinect Optional Xbox One

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Rep. Mike Capuano (D-MA) and Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC) are filing the We Are Watching You Act in response to reports that national telecommunications companies are exploring technology for digital video recorders (DVRs) that would record the personal activities of consumers as they watch television from the privacy of their own homes. Current law is silent on these devices and this legislation would require both an opt-in for consumers and an on-screen warning whenever the device is recording information about consumers.

This may sound preposterous but it is neither a joke nor an exaggeration. These DVRs would essentially observe consumers as they watch television as a way to super-target ads. It is an incredible invasion of privacy. Given what we have recently learned about the access that the government has to the phone numbers we call, the emails we send and the websites we visit, it is important for consumers to decide for themselves whether they want this technology. Think about what you do in the privacy of your own home and then think about how you would feel sharing that information with your cable company, their advertisers and your government, stated Congressman Capuano.

Allowing this type of technology to be installed in the homes of individuals without their consent would be an egregious invasion of privacy, said Congressman Jones. When the government has an unfortunate history of secretly collecting private citizens information from technology providers, we must ensure that safeguards are in place to protect Americans rights.

Devices would utilize technology such as infrared cameras and microphones embedded in DVRs and cable boxes. A patent application filed with the US Patent and Trademark Office by Verizon notes the technology could detect a range of viewer activities. According to the patent application, the set-top device will be able to distinguish ambient action of eating, exercising, laughing, reading, sleeping, talking, humming, cleaning and more.

The application further notes that ambient action also comprises an interaction between the user and another user which are described as at least one of cuddling, fighting, participating in a game or sporting event, and talking. That information would then be used to deliver targeted ads to your living room. Other companies, such as Intel and Comcast have explored similar technology.

Although this DVR technology is in its conceptual stages, it is important that Congress establish clear boundaries before it becomes reality. Right now, there is nothing preventing companies from utilizing the technology, no obligation to notify the consumer before it is used and no obligation to give consumers the chance to opt out. Too often, Congress is far behind when it comes to advancements in technology and is forced to update regulations that are decades old so that they are meaningful for todays innovations. The We Are Watching You Act does not prohibit companies from developing this technology. It simply lets consumers make their own decisions about whether or not it belongs in their homes.

If someone is watching a favorite program while cleaning the kitchen, ads for products that will make appliances shine may show up. If a couple is talking about where to dine over the weekend, or enjoying a crunchy snack while watching the Stanley Cup finals, their television may serve up food suggestions. The patent application even goes so far as to suggest that if a couple is fighting, an advertisement associated with relationship counseling might be selected for them.

The We Are Watching You Act requires prior consent from the consumer before this type of DVR can be installed in a home. The operator of the technology must provide specific details on how collected information will be used, and who will have access to the data. When the recording device is in use, the words WE ARE WATCHING YOU would appear, large enough to be readable from a distance, for as long as the device is recording the viewing area. If consumers opt out of the new technology, companies are required to offer a video service that does not collect this information but is otherwise identical in all respects.

Advances in technology have given us more entertainment choices, improved picture quality and delivered better products but this takes advancement to a whole new level. At a minimum, consumers should have the option of saying no to being watched. The legislation is attached [PDF].

http://www.house.gov/capuano/news/2013/pr061313.shtml

This could get...messy...

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#2 Chutebox
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Didn't click link...is this **** real?  If so, just allow people to turn the damn thing off and problem solved.  Although you still have to pay for the kinect that you don't want still.

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or... and i could be reaching with this but they can just say forget it and not buy it :o i think i've outdone myself with that one :lol: lmmfao

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Didn't click link...is this **** real?  If so, just allow people to turn the damn thing off and problem solved.  Although you still have to pay for the kinect that you don't want still.

Chutebox

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

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Oh dam!
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#6 GOGOGOGURT
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Hate to bring up politics, but there are better Bills we could be trying ot pass that actually help the infrastructure of the country.  This is a stupid frivilous feel-good bill.

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Xbox Done. PS4 wins.
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Hate to bring up politics, but there are better Bills we could be trying ot pass that actually help the infrastructure of the country.  This is a stupid frivilous feel-good bill.

GOGOGOGURT
Do you not care about your privacy? Have fun paying $5 to bash the bishop.
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Didn't click link...is this **** real?  If so, just allow people to turn the damn thing off and problem solved.  Although you still have to pay for the kinect that you don't want still.

GOGOGOGURT

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

YOu just reak of butthurt in every single thread you post in. :lol: 

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Didn't click link...is this **** real?  If so, just allow people to turn the damn thing off and problem solved.  Although you still have to pay for the kinect that you don't want still.

GOGOGOGURT

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

If true, what's the problem?
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I hope it's real
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:lol: The fail continues. Again, more sh*tty PR for MS.
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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Didn't click link...is this **** real?  If so, just allow people to turn the damn thing off and problem solved.  Although you still have to pay for the kinect that you don't want still.

Chutebox

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

If true, what's the problem?

Yes its true, been stated many times by MS themselves.
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Amazing how many people did not even read the house government link where the bill is actually explained.
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i cant see it going far

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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Didn't click link...is this **** real?  If so, just allow people to turn the damn thing off and problem solved.  Although you still have to pay for the kinect that you don't want still.

Chutebox

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

If true, what's the problem?

 

You tell me. 

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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Didn't click link...is this **** real?  If so, just allow people to turn the damn thing off and problem solved.  Although you still have to pay for the kinect that you don't want still.

Chutebox

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

If true, what's the problem?

There really isn't one. If you actually read the article the big controversy is putting these in peoples homes without their consent, and the actual article doesn't even mention the Xbox or Kinect. It seems they are more worried about cable providers putting kinect like sensors in the cable boxes than the Xbox. Where the TC got the bit about "optional kinect" is beyond me.

 

I swear the idiots around here who make threads like this never fail to astonish me with the illogical leaps they take.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

Deevoshun

If true, what's the problem?

Yes its true, been stated many times by MS themselves.

:lol: no that is a complete LIE and misleading diversion by Mr. GOGOGOGURT. 

When he says you can trun kinect off it doesn't mean you can turn kinect off and play games, watch TV ect.  It means if you unplug the entire system and don't have it on at all, in that way you can trun kinect off.

Currently there is no option to turn kinect off and used any of the features of xbox one while running.

#xboxliarsbedamned//

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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Didn't click link...is this **** real?  If so, just allow people to turn the damn thing off and problem solved.  Although you still have to pay for the kinect that you don't want still.

Jonwh18

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

YOu just reak of butthurt in every single thread you post in. :lol: 

 

I thought it would keep people like you away. 

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

GOGOGOGURT

If true, what's the problem?

 

You tell me. 

You like to think you are clever by spreading misinformation and lies to confuse people about xbox one?

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[QUOTE="Deevoshun"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] If true, what's the problem?kinectthedots

Yes its true, been stated many times by MS themselves.

:lol: no that is a complete LIE and misleading diversion by Mr. GOGOGOGURT. 

When he says you can trun kinect off...it's doesn't mean you can turn kinect off and play games, watch TV ect.  It means if you unplug the entire system and don't have it on at all, in that way you can trun kinect off.

The currently is no option to turn kincet off and used any of the features of xbox one while running.

#xboxliarsbedamned//

Here you go you pillock.  Choke on it.

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-kinect-privacy-concerns-turn-it-off-511759241

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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] If true, what's the problem?kinectthedots

 

You tell me. 

You like to think you are clever by spreading misinformation and lies to confuse people about xbox one?

 

You think you are clever because you use an alt?  C'mon who is this.  I can't guess because all the cows are equally stupid.

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#23 RR360DD
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There are privacy settings for Kinect, including the option to turn it off so I don't see how its a problem
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[QUOTE="kinectthedots"]

[QUOTE="Deevoshun"] Yes its true, been stated many times by MS themselves. GOGOGOGURT

:lol: no that is a complete LIE and misleading diversion by Mr. GOGOGOGURT. 

When he says you can trun kinect off...it's doesn't mean you can turn kinect off and play games, watch TV ect.  It means if you unplug the entire system and don't have it on at all, in that way you can trun kinect off.

The currently is no option to turn kincet off and used any of the features of xbox one while running.

#xboxliarsbedamned//

Here you go you pillock.  Choke on it.

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-kinect-privacy-concerns-turn-it-off-511759241

:lol:

"Kinect can be paused. When not using your Xbox One, it can be turned off with a simple "Xbox Off" voice command. In off mode, the system listens for "Xbox On", and that's it"

LMAO.  Do you konw what happens when you say, "xbox off"?  Wow, I rest my case.

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#25 CaseyWegner
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article doesn't say that.

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#26 Mr720fan
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kinect can be put in idle mode, if you think its spying on you just stay away from it, i personally dont think it spying on me or my hot wife or my dogs.

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#27 Chutebox
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"Yes, you can turn the system completely off," the Microsoft rep said. "This would use no power and turn everything off. Well share more details about how it all works later."

Seems like when they say you can turn it off, they mean the whole system.  Not sure if Kinect can be turned off while playing or while the system is on though.

Other article says you can pause but without quote from MS.  We'll see

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Seems like when they say you can turn it off, they mean the whole system.  Not sure if Kinect can be turned off while playing or while the system is on though.

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pretty sure you can't not that i give a fvck i did dance central NUDE i hope someone was watching and got scarred brains
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#29 drekula2
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The problem with the Big Brother 1984 analogies, aside from them being cliche, is that nobody is forcing you to buy an Xbox One. Privacy is a concern and it's the same with Facebook. If you create an account, you knowingly subject yourself to lack of privacy.
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#30 pc-ps360
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prism project. also i read in the new latly that ms ,google, apple , facebook and youtube are spying on u and giving all ur information to the government but obama binladen was playing it down

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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="kinectthedots"]:lol: no that is a complete LIE and misleading diversion by Mr. GOGOGOGURT. 

When he says you can trun kinect off...it's doesn't mean you can turn kinect off and play games, watch TV ect.  It means if you unplug the entire system and don't have it on at all, in that way you can trun kinect off.

The currently is no option to turn kincet off and used any of the features of xbox one while running.

#xboxliarsbedamned//

kinectthedots

Here you go you pillock.  Choke on it.

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-kinect-privacy-concerns-turn-it-off-511759241

:lol:

"Kinect can be paused. When not using your Xbox One, it can be turned off with a simple "Xbox Off" voice command. In off mode, the system listens for "Xbox On", and that's it"

LMAO.  Do you konw what happens when you say, "xbox off"?  Wow, I rest my case.

 

Off is off, mate, you picked the wrong fight.

 

I said it can be turned off, and it can be turned off.

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[QUOTE="kinectthedots"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

Here you go you pillock.  Choke on it.

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-kinect-privacy-concerns-turn-it-off-511759241

GOGOGOGURT

:lol:

"Kinect can be paused. When not using your Xbox One, it can be turned off with a simple "Xbox Off" voice command. In off mode, the system listens for "Xbox On", and that's it"

LMAO.  Do you konw what happens when you say, "xbox off"?  Wow, I rest my case.

 

Off is off, mate, you picked the wrong fight.

 

I said it can be turned off, and it can be turned off.

It can, when the console is off
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i'm not going to go all batshyt crazy with the conspiracy shyt or cry about how ms wants to watch you wank it but i am somewhat opposed to collecting biometric data.

checking me for heart rate and skin flushing and breathing rates is just naturally  upsetting.

although the upside would be having it for you parents or grandparents and it calling an ambulance if it detected a medical emergency.

like any technology you have to trade off something for something.

in this case i'm just not ready.

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i'm not going to go all batshyt crazy with the conspiracy shyt or cry about how ms wants to watch you wank it but i am somewhat opposed to collecting biometric data.

checking me for heart rate and skin flushing and breathing rates is just naturally  upsetting.

although the upside would be having it for you parents or grandparents and it calling an ambulance if it detectied a medical emergency.

like any technology you have to trade off something for something.

in this case i'm just not ready.

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i think the biometric shit is WILD neat like you can find out which parts in games really affects you and see which games get you to the highest peaks that is honestly the neatest aspect of the newest kinect
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#35 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Didn't click link...is this **** real?  If so, just allow people to turn the damn thing off and problem solved.  Although you still have to pay for the kinect that you don't want still.

GOGOGOGURT

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

I do not think you can fully turn it off but instead it is in a sleep mode. If you say kinect on and it will turn on so it obviously is not fully powered down to still be able to respond to some commands.

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#36 Mr720fan
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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Didn't click link...is this **** real? If so, just allow people to turn the damn thing off and problem solved. Although you still have to pay for the kinect that you don't want still.

CanYouDiglt

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

I do not think you can fully turn it off but instead it is in a sleep mode. If you say kinect on it will turn on so it obviously is not fully powered down to still respond to some commands.

its only waits to hear one thing, xbox turn on.... otherwise its in airplane mode

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#37 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

Mr720fan

I do not think you can fully turn it off but instead it is in a sleep mode. If you say kinect on it will turn on so it obviously is not fully powered down to still respond to some commands.

its only waits to hear one thing, xbox turn on.... otherwise its in airplane mode

But the thing is if it can still respond to commands then the microphone is still on and it is not turned off. At most Kinect can have functions limited in a sleep mode.

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#38 Mr720fan
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[QUOTE="Mr720fan"]

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]I do not think you can fully turn it off but instead it is in a sleep mode. If you say kinect on it will turn on so it obviously is not fully powered down to still respond to some commands.CanYouDiglt

its only waits to hear one thing, xbox turn on.... otherwise its in airplane mode

But the thing is if it can still respond to commands then the microphone is still on and it is not turned off. At most Kinect can have functions limited in a sleep mode.

well whatever the case id like mine on, i dont think im interesting enough to be spied on.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Didn't click link...is this **** real?  If so, just allow people to turn the damn thing off and problem solved.  Although you still have to pay for the kinect that you don't want still.

GOGOGOGURT

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

Yelling is not going to make it true.

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#40 ReadingRainbow4
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I can't wait till someone builds an IED infront of their kinect.

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#41 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

 

YOU CAN TURN THE KINECT OFF.

GOGOGOGURT

YOu just reak of butthurt in every single thread you post in. :lol: 

 

I thought it would keep people like you away. 

How would you being butthurt keep away people who want to laugh at you?

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#42 GOGOGOGURT
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[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] YOu just reak of butthurt in every single thread you post in. :lol: 

Jonwh18

 

I thought it would keep people like you away. 

How would you being butthurt keep away people who want to laugh at you?

Unfortunately it doesn't work.

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#43 Crypt_mx
Member since 2007 • 4739 Posts

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] YOu just reak of butthurt in every single thread you post in. :lol: 

Jonwh18

 

I thought it would keep people like you away. 

How would you being butthurt keep away people who want to laugh at you?

The guy said he reaks of butthurt. He was hoping the stench of butthurt would keep them away but alas, it did not.

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#44 chrisrooR
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So wait, can you turn off the kinect separately from the Xbox? Or are they both tied to one another. If so, that's f*cking lame.
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#45 Chutebox
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So wait, can you turn off the kinect separately from the Xbox? Or are they both tied to one another. If so, that's f*cking lame.chrisrooR
No you can't. If kinect is off then xbox is off.
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#46 k2theswiss
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there is pretty simple option... Don't buy it
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#47 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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this thread is garbage stop posting in it
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#48 Jonwh18
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this thread is garbage stop posting in itJandurin
Nah, I don;t think I will 

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#49 navyguy21
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Republicans..... They are also fighting gun laws.......claiming the 2nd amendment. What about the rest of the constitution? What if i want to broadcast my naked body on webcam? You can decide on womens rights without a woman..........yet i cant buy what i want? Did they even research anything before submitting that? You can turn the damn thing off like every other electronic device.
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#50 lamprey263
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it's not like anything is getting done anyways, they might as well