bioshock was a half life 2 killer (confirm or deny)

Apples and oranges. They are both fruit, but taste differently. Both are equally good in their own right and at what they do.

For one, you get magazines full of ammo in HL2 with never a fear of running too short, you only get very limited ammo in Bioshock.

SgtWhiskeyjack

That's a damn lie! :( I ran out of ammo five times in the chapter 'e don't go to Ravenholm' :cry: Can you even image a worst place to lose ammo? I was fine for the rest of the level when I got the shotugn though.

What?! The core game is the same, i've been gaming on consoles my whole life so playing with a mouse and keyboard would have taken away from the experience for me.

Juggernaut140

But everything was watered down, and there were whole chunks of levels cut out in the Xbox version. :|

Afrer just playing the demo an hour ago, I think it's safe to say:

PLASMIDS>>>GRAVITY GUN

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"]

What?! The core game is the same, i've been gaming on consoles my whole life so playing with a mouse and keyboard would have taken away from the experience for me.

explicthangnail

But everything was watered down, and there were whole chunks of levels cut out in the Xbox version. :|

The only part changed in the Xbox version was the transition area in between the sewer levels and the hovercraft levels, and that was a small change. Nothing else changed as far as the level design.

[QUOTE="Drukter"]Apples and oranges my a**. Both are FPSes, and Bioshock is the better oneVandalvideo

Half-Life was just as much of an FPRPG as Bioshock is.. Though that's not exactly the term I'd use to describe the two.

Is Bioshock a Half-Life killer? Strictly speaking, no. Not because Bioshock isn't as good as Half-Life, but that Half-Life broke new ground while Bioshock hasn't.

even halo is better than half life 2

proof: http://gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

bioshock = 4

halo = 11

half life 2 = 14

Thebettertwin

Quiet lemming, Half Life 2 tears up every console shooter even tears up Half Life 2 on consoles :) (This is until a very insanely great FPS comes out for consoles, which might be a while but definately not this september :D)

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Drukter"]Apples and oranges my a**. Both are FPSes, and Bioshock is the better onerioss

Half-Life was just as much of an FPRPG as Bioshock is..

No, no it was not. Half-Life provided the player with new weapons as they advanced through the game. What is RPG-esque about that? BioShock provided literal upgrades for the player's character as they progressed through the game; from levelled physical ability upgrades like speed and resistance to damage to unlockable plasmid-specific bodily upgrades like better efficiency when using fire or electrical attacks. By the end of the game, your character is literally stronger, with countless more abilities than what he started the game with. And all of it is based on your decisions. That is what gives BioShock RPG qualities. Half-Life provided nothing of the sort.

Both are heavy on story, but Half Life plays like a traditional shooter.

Bioshock is a different animal. Both are very immersive in their own way. I tend to like Bioshock's horror and adventure elements better than HL's straight up shooter feel.

I think BioShock did a better job with immersing the player into its world and story, and with the audio diaries you can find and listen to really helps you understand what has happened and makes you feel more involved than other first person shooters.

As for which one is the better game I can't decide, it's been a while since I played HL2 and I really don't remember that much of it, lol. But yeah, BioShock is definitely up to HL2 standards.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Drukter"]Apples and oranges my a**. Both are FPSes, and Bioshock is the better one-Tretiak

Half-Life was just as much of an FPRPG as Bioshock is..

No, no it was not. Half-Life provided the player with new weapons as they advanced through the game. What is RPG-esque about that? BioShock provided literal upgrades for the player's character as they progressed through the game; from levelled physical ability upgrades like speed and resistance to damage to unlockable plasmid-specific bodily upgrades like better efficiency when using fire or electrical attacks. By the end of the game, your character is literally stronger, with countless more abilities than what he started the game with. And all of it is based on your decisions. That is what gives BioShock RPG qualities. Half-Life provided nothing of the sort.

Hmm, no. RPG's allow you to customize your character, but that is not a defining characteritic, playing a role is. And when a game immerses you into a story where events happen around you, that is the comparison. Both did this in very similar ways.

Hmm, no. RPG's allow you to customize your character, but that is not a defining characteritic, playing a role is. And when a game immerses you into a story where events happen around you, that is the comparison. Both did this in very similar ways.rioss

Half-Life was just as much of an FPRPG as Bioshock is.. Though that's not exactly the term I'd use to describe the two.rioss

Dude, how could Half Life be as much of an FPRPG as Bioshock? I played System Shock (2), both Half Life 1 and 2, indluding Bioshock, and I'm pretty sure that Half Life is an... action-adventured FPS, while System Shock and Bioshock are FPRPGs.

I mean, Bioshock has almost every element of classic hack and slash RPGs, but pulled-off differently. The only features that Bioshock is missing are skill and experience points. Bioshock is an extremely FPSish RPG because the action depends strictly on your skill (usage of mouse/gamepad). Therefore, it could be compared to Half Life.

BUT, I'm not saying that Bioshock is better than Half Life (franchise). I would say that Bioshock is better than Half Life 2, but definitiely not better than Half Life 1, in anyway, anyhow... Half Life 1 is an untouchable GOD of FPS/action genre because of its icredible approach to atmosphere, original monsters (enemies in Bioshock are, dunno, kinda "meh", but they perfectly fit with the story), and basically everything else that makes a legendary FPS game.

[QUOTE="rioss"]Hmm, no. RPG's allow you to customize your character, but that is not a defining characteritic, playing a role is. And when a game immerses you into a story where events happen around you, that is the comparison. Both did this in very similar ways.Vandalvideo

Thank you. You got health upgrade, ever upgrade, several differentslot addons, upgraded andcustomed weapons,customizable tonic/plasmids/etc. If thats not qualify to some extent, I dunno what does.

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"][QUOTE="rioss"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Drukter"]Apples and oranges my a**. Both are FPSes, and Bioshock is the better onerioss

Half-Life was just as much of an FPRPG as Bioshock is..

No, no it was not. Half-Life provided the player with new weapons as they advanced through the game. What is RPG-esque about that? BioShock provided literal upgrades for the player's character as they progressed through the game; from levelled physical ability upgrades like speed and resistance to damage to unlockable plasmid-specific bodily upgrades like better efficiency when using fire or electrical attacks. By the end of the game, your character is literally stronger, with countless more abilities than what he started the game with. And all of it is based on your decisions. That is what gives BioShock RPG qualities. Half-Life provided nothing of the sort.

Hmm, no. RPG's allow you to customize your character, but that is not a defining characteritic, playing a role is. And when a game immerses you into a story where events happen around you, that is the comparison. Both did this in very similar ways.

So Quake IV is an RPG? Call of Duty? Things happen around you in those games, and you are immersed. Despite the name, immersion into the game and playing a role is not the defining quality of a Role-Playing Game. If that were the case, nearly every game would be considered an RPG. Character customization and levelling has become the staple of the RPG genre. Those are things which BioShock incorporates and Half-Life goes nowhere near.

[QUOTE="rioss"][QUOTE="-Tretiak"][QUOTE="rioss"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Drukter"]Apples and oranges my a**. Both are FPSes, and Bioshock is the better one-Tretiak

Half-Life was just as much of an FPRPG as Bioshock is..

No, no it was not. Half-Life provided the player with new weapons as they advanced through the game. What is RPG-esque about that? BioShock provided literal upgrades for the player's character as they progressed through the game; from levelled physical ability upgrades like speed and resistance to damage to unlockable plasmid-specific bodily upgrades like better efficiency when using fire or electrical attacks. By the end of the game, your character is literally stronger, with countless more abilities than what he started the game with. And all of it is based on your decisions. That is what gives BioShock RPG qualities. Half-Life provided nothing of the sort.

Hmm, no. RPG's allow you to customize your character, but that is not a defining characteritic, playing a role is. And when a game immerses you into a story where events happen around you, that is the comparison. Both did this in very similar ways.

So Quake IV is an RPG? Call of Duty? Things happen around you in those games, and you are immersed. Despite the name, immersion into the game and playing a role is not the defining quality of a Role-Playing Game. If that were the case, nearly every game would be considered an RPG. Character customization and levelling has become the staple of the RPG genre. Those are things which BioShock incorporates and Half-Life goes nowhere near.

Do they have Health upgrade, Eve upgrade, several different slot addons, upgraded and customed weapons, customizable tonic/plasmids/etc.. If thats not qualify to some extent, I dunno what does.

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"][QUOTE="rioss"][QUOTE="-Tretiak"][QUOTE="rioss"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Drukter"]Apples and oranges my a**. Both are FPSes, and Bioshock is the better oneArisShadows

Half-Life was just as much of an FPRPG as Bioshock is..

No, no it was not. Half-Life provided the player with new weapons as they advanced through the game. What is RPG-esque about that? BioShock provided literal upgrades for the player's character as they progressed through the game; from levelled physical ability upgrades like speed and resistance to damage to unlockable plasmid-specific bodily upgrades like better efficiency when using fire or electrical attacks. By the end of the game, your character is literally stronger, with countless more abilities than what he started the game with. And all of it is based on your decisions. That is what gives BioShock RPG qualities. Half-Life provided nothing of the sort.

Hmm, no. RPG's allow you to customize your character, but that is not a defining characteritic, playing a role is. And when a game immerses you into a story where events happen around you, that is the comparison. Both did this in very similar ways.

So Quake IV is an RPG? Call of Duty? Things happen around you in those games, and you are immersed. Despite the name, immersion into the game and playing a role is not the defining quality of a Role-Playing Game. If that were the case, nearly every game would be considered an RPG. Character customization and levelling has become the staple of the RPG genre. Those are things which BioShock incorporates and Half-Life goes nowhere near.

Do they have Health upgrade, Eve upgrade, several different slot addons, upgraded and customed weapons, customizable tonic/plasmids/etc.. If thats not qualify to some extent, I dunno what does.

Those questions in my post were rhetorical. :P

Bioshock and RE4 came very close, but the way HL2 told it's story and the incredible pacing is something extremely hard to top, it's my personal favorite action game of the 21st century.

[QUOTE="EmilioDigsIt"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="EmilioDigsIt"]

Bioshock is a prettier Condemned: Criminal Origins.

Except Bioshock is underwater and you use magic.

tidus222

But Metal Gear Solid IS a corny stealth game with 3 hours of gamplay and 10 hours of IN GAME cut scenes. That's why ahh love it! *Al Pacino voice*

MGS3 had about 3 hours of cutscenes actually LOL

game with the longest cutscnes is xenosaga episode 1 with 8 hours of cutscenes its like 3 and a halfmovies fit into a single game

MGS3 actually had around 6-7 hours of cut scenes, plus another 2-3 hours of radio conversations.

I got Subsistance, and watched every single cut scene in the game from beginning to end; there was a HELLUVA lot more than 3 hours lol.

Then again, the cutscenes kick ass.

i like both games

but im enjoying bioshock ALOT more i love it...it is a halflife killer

HALF-LIFE 2 IS 3 YEARS OLD !!!!

stop it !!!

and half-life 2 is still alive for you information, with all the mods, the giant community, hl2 had better health than anytime before

bioshock looks nice, but you won't play it many times, like any single player games, they are limited and low replay value

You "play a role" in every single video game genre known to man besides vague ones. RPG games are categorized by development of your character over the span of the game by systems either comlpex or shallow that add customizability to them. Half-Life doesn't have that, Bioshock does. Simple as that.Vandalvideo

So Quake IV is an RPG? Call of Duty? Things happen around you in those games, and you are immersed. Despite the name, immersion into the game and playing a role is not the defining quality of a Role-Playing Game. If that were the case, nearly every game would be considered an RPG. Character customization and levelling has become the staple of the RPG genre. Those are things which BioShock incorporates and Half-Life goes nowhere near.
-Tretiak

HL & HL2 have withstood the test of time. I seriously doubt that Bioshock will survive even a few months before reviews start to dip (hell they aready are). Remember that almost everyone touting it to be so great favors the genre it offers and thus are obviously very happy with the game but what about everyone else who dont particularly like shallow RPG elements and arent too fanatical about FPS's in general? We will not know for a few months when people who arent as fanatical about the game start buying it and we see their reviews.

Already, the average user score for Bioshock is 0.1 lower than the 9.0 score Gamespot gave it after 1700 votes (on the PC side at least). Now check the user score for HL2 and you find that its actually 0.2 higher than the 9.2 it already received after more than 32k votes. Now I dont want to place too much weight on this because people will start to manipulate it to death but these numbers tell us what people think about each game in general. The most important thing however is that HL2 maintained this high score for years and even the none-core players loved it. Bioshock is still unproven at this point and I personally believe its not that great aside from graphics and sound.

half life 2 set the bar for immersiveness in games

bioshock raised the bar IMO and pulled it off with a better story than half life 2 had

tidus222

mmm the two aren't really comparable enough to say that one kills the other. both are great, but as far as my personal tastes go, i prefer bioshock, not really because there's anything wrong with half life, but i just prefer bioshock's style of gameplay and art direction over half life 2's.

Apples and oranges. They are both fruit, but taste differently. Both are equally good in their own right and at what they do.

For one, you get magazines full of ammo in HL2 with never a fear of running too short, you only get very limited ammo in Bioshock.

SgtWhiskeyjack

You're kidding, right? You were almost spoonfed ammunition in BioShock. Now System Shock 2, that's where it was scarce.

[QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

Apples and oranges. They are both fruit, but taste differently. Both are equally good in their own right and at what they do.

For one, you get magazines full of ammo in HL2 with never a fear of running too short, you only get very limited ammo in Bioshock.

Cycloptis

You're kidding, right? You were almost spoonfed ammunition in BioShock. Now System Shock 2, that's where it was scarce.

[QUOTE="Cycloptis"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

Apples and oranges. They are both fruit, but taste differently. Both are equally good in their own right and at what they do.

For one, you get magazines full of ammo in HL2 with never a fear of running too short, you only get very limited ammo in Bioshock.

Vandalvideo

You're kidding, right? You were almost spoonfed ammunition in BioShock. Now System Shock 2, that's where it was scarce.

I'm not sure.

What I do know is, applying the same heavy exploration one would use in SS2 in BioShock, you can get tons of ammunition. By the end I had a full wallet, and most of my main weapons were close to or topped off in ammo.

I'm not sure.

What I do know is, applying the same heavy exploration one would use in SS2 in BioShock, you can get tons of ammunition. By the end I had a full wallet, and most of my main weapons were close to or topped off in ammo.

Cycloptis

Apples and oranges. They are both fruit, but taste differently. Both are equally good in their own right and at what they do.

For one, you get magazines full of ammo in HL2 with never a fear of running too short, you only get very limited ammo in Bioshock.

SgtWhiskeyjack

Nice analogy.

Apples and oranges. They are both fruit, but taste differently. Both are equally good in their own right and at what they do.

For one, you get magazines full of ammo in HL2 with never a fear of running too short, you only get very limited ammo in Bioshock.

SgtWhiskeyjack

Yeah, I coulnd't agree more with you.

Bioshock is completely amazing. It's in a whole different category of game though then Half Life 2. Survival-horror FPS is the best way to describe it. Half Life 2 is more "true shooter" (whatever that means right) than Bioshock.

The more I play Bioshock the more resemblance I see with System Shock 2. The diaries, random ghosts, athmosphere, character progression, everything. I honestly don't think Bioshock can beat Half-Life, simply because it feels like the next gen System Shock 2,Vandalvideo

And HL2 didn't feel like the next-gen HL1 ?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]The more I play Bioshock the more resemblance I see with System Shock 2. The diaries, random ghosts, athmosphere, character progression, everything. I honestly don't think Bioshock can beat Half-Life, simply because it feels like the next gen System Shock 2,Forza_2

And HL2 didn't feel like the next-gen HL1 ?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]The more I play Bioshock the more resemblance I see with System Shock 2. The diaries, random ghosts, athmosphere, character progression, everything. I honestly don't think Bioshock can beat Half-Life, simply because it feels like the next gen System Shock 2,Forza_2

And HL2 didn't feel like the next-gen HL1 ?

HL2 was in no way shape or form like HL1.

There was rarely any puzzles, back-tracking, platforming, and exploration especially when compared to the first one.

Question to Vandal: What's better Bioshock or System Shock II? Because people who've played both, well some of them say that SSII is superior to Bioshock.

I spent a ton of time conserving ammo in BioShock and then only recently found out that not only was there ammo everywhere but there was tons of money to buy it as well. Like you said, compared to SS2, in BioShock you are spoonfed ammo.Although, BioShock is still an amazing game.foxhound_fox

half life 2 set the bar for immersiveness in games

bioshock raised the bar IMO and pulled it off with a better story than half life 2 had

tidus222

Better story does't mean better gaming experience. I haven't played Bioshock yet, but Half-Life 2 is just to good to be compared to anything.

Most of my money was spent on keeping myself fully stocked on Healthpacks and "mana potions". Can't help it, its that DIablo 2 mentality. "Must have max at all times"..... Oh and I like Napalm. Bought a lot of that.Vandalvideo