Bioware makes fun of the whole Spider-Man "puddle is smaller therefore downgrade!!!" thing.

That doesn't make them downgrades, and you still claimed that I was saying it looked better.

Hhahahaha! You don't talk about downgrades just if you talk about it and without showing any video comparison. What a bullshit video, JUST LIKE THE XBONE FANS ARE. Can't wait for DFs video analysis tomorrow. Bunch of people will eat crow.

Like i said :

Xbone fans screaming about a non existing downgrade for a game they won't be able to play on their shitty Xbone - how DUMB THEY ARE

Show me where I said techhog89 says they look better.

I am a fan of both Bioware and Insomniac and seriously doubt there is any bad blood between them. They probably hang out. If anything I see this more so a jab at the fanboys on both sides.

Sunset Overdrive to a while to grow on me, but when it did I was having crazy fun. Bioware's Mass Effect trilogy was simply amazing.

I do not get wanting Devs like them to fail!?

Anthem will be available for everyone. Let's hope it is awesome. Who gives a crap about marketing deals anyway as a consumer?

LMAO I'll play it on my other shitty console, PS4 Pro

DF will say it looks great because I think it will. I said more than once in this thread (you avoid those posts I notice) that I will wait until Friday and decide for myself.

I posted Dreamcast's video because someone linked me to another youtube vid saying no downgrade or changes. Well heres another Youtuber that says there are. I DONT KNOW. I DONT HAVE THE GAME smegmite.

John Linemann said graphics are improved on ERA. And he will publish a video tomorrow. 30 minutes of graphics analysis, not some shitty talk. Where are the downgrades then if that youtuber mentioned them? Where is the video analysis from him? I didn't avoid those posts cuz i didn't noticed them.

Ok. I haven't seen it. The bottom line is, you're going to ignore a reviewer like Dreamcastguy because him saying it looks "fuzzy; washed out" doesn't fit your agenda. He also said there are things he cannot "wait to rip into". His video comes out soon.

My opinion is the only one that matters to me because Im paying for the game for me. I'll get it Friday and decide for sure then.

The bottom line is , you're going to ignore a tech analysis made by DF, a tech site, not some reviewer. Looks like "graphics are improved" doesn't fit your agenda, isn't it.

Btw. there are bunch of shots released week or two ago or even when was a preview. So he could made a comparisons with that one. But he didn't

Like cows do when it doesn't fit their agenda, you mean?

I hope Insomniac releases Free Puddle DLC as a joke and a eff u to haters.

Would be great lulz.

Nothing has sold more PS4s this generation than the "PS4 cant do that" threads and articles only for it to turn around and deliver. One day, the haters will realize they built the pedestal that everyone holds PS4 up on.

@cainetao11:

You said first that downgrade doesn't fit my agenda. Well, probably upgrade doesn't fit yours.

Bioware's puddle is bigger and after all, Spiderman really looks nice with no major differences.

Actually , what I said was "fuzzy; washed out" doesn't fit your agenda"

Why do so many posters here accuse me of saying things I didn't say? (OPEN QUESTION TO THE FORUM)

"Upgrade" So you think this game is gonna be upgraded from the 2017 look?

that will not happen. this happens every E3 and people who where literally fooled the prior year are the ones who get fooled again

@tryit: You speak nonsense and thus have wasted your time with your reply.

@cainetao11:

Yes, game is upgraded from 2017, even in resolution. Check the Digital Foundry thread.

Nice. I was sincerely asking you.

However DF did in fact confirm the puddlegate scene looks worse. That's all I was talking about. As I said multiple times: When I get the game Friday I'll decide as far as the WHOLE game is concerned.

WTF you'll decide? Again, no! Now you trying to spin what John Lineman said. It's clearly mentioned in video it's an artistic change, not a technical one. Artistically looks worse to someone, but technically it isn't downgraded.

Some member on Era also said ( like you ) it's a downgrade and John Linnemans respond was similar like mine :

STOP SPINNING!

@mowgly1 said:

@cainetao11 said:

However DF did in fact confirm the puddlegate scene looks worse.That's all I was talking about. As I said multiple times: When I get the game Friday I'll decide as far as the WHOLE game is concerned.

Again, no! Now you trying to spin what John Lineman said. It's so disgusting that X1 owners repeatedly spinning someones words over and over again. It's clearly mentioned in video it's an artistic change, not a technical one. Artistically looks worse to someone, but technically it isn't downgraded.

Some member on Era also said ( like you ) it's a downgrade and John Linnemans respond was similar like mine :

STOP SPINNING!

So you're telling me that at:

5:04 he doesn't say regarding the costume "which one looks better is a matter of taste and varies per scene"

8:33 "This frame for instance …….comes in at 900p" funny when PUBG dipped to 12 fps in December cows ran with it like the whole game was always at 12 fps. We don't get to do that when this drops to 900p? LMAO Im teasing and breaking balls, lighten up

8:55 He clearly mentions resolution upgrade but tells us the PATCH note indicates it. So it has a day one patch to upgrade it. Cool.

12:12 " Spiderman can swim" THANK YOU INSOMNIAC. I hate when falling in water is death in a game.

12:57 LMAO Quantum Break got hate from cows here for reload animations but Spiderman doesn't cast a reflection on a Skyscraper? He casts a shadow, but no reflection. Spider-Dracula LOL

14:22 starts the discussion on Puddlegate

15:54 He clearly says "the cube map has been REPLACED with a rather GENERIC ONE". Generic isn't the same or better than what it replaced. Nobody in SW uses the word generic to compliment something LOL

16:52 "But in the case of the demo room, well obviously it is less effective then the method featured in the E3 demo". I didn't spin. Less effective is worse than what it was.

17:31 "what all of these scenes have in common however is the type of cube maps they're using. They're much less specific than the one used in the E3 demo". Less specific isn't better pal.

@cainetao11:

Yet, you DELIBERATELY ignored HIS FINAL VERDICT In the end for that scene. It's an artistic change, not a technical one and that's not a downgrade

No I didn't. He also said "this is my THEORY". You CONVENIENTLY left that out huh? Theory isn't fact.

I don't care about your guys technical "downgrade" definition. It doesn't look as good because they switched to "generic cube map; its less effective; and less specific"

Theory can be fact too, you know.

No, it cannot. At the moment a theory is proven incontrovertibly to be fact, it ceases to be theory. How old are you?

Let this shit go dude....

@quadknight: Tell your bovine brethren to stop tagging me then. I never questioned or commented on the entire game but I keep getting told about the "upgrades".

I would but unfortunately they won't listen to me. I'm not the King of Cows, you'll have to speak with our leader @Heil68 ?

Hey Heil, getyeryayas and I miss ya buddy!!!

I know quad. Its getting ridiculous at this point that I wake up and have notifications from cows telling me Im wrong the game isn't downgraded its upgraded blah blah. I spoke the puddle scene. I didn't have the whole game so how could I speak about that? Second, the puddle scene didn't look the same or better to me so that's a downgrade to me.

When Anna Nicole Smith won Playmate of the year she was gorgeous. When she put on all that weight before she died she downgraded.

And fact is, Spider-man isn't downgraded in any level. Just tried to post that tweet. Thanks @quadknight. Let it go, cainetao11.

Second, the puddle scene didn't look the same or better to me so that's a downgrade to me.

That's downgrade to you because you think it looks better, but in fact it isn't. It's just artistic change.

@mowgly1: No, FACT is the DF guy gave a THEORY on why they changed the puddle scene. Thats what I talked about.

And I never said I was talking about your guys technical downgrade non sense. Take your own advice, let it go.

Jesus, it was a good-humored joke. You people are acting like they're talking shit.

@cainetao11:

Quote: "And I never said I was talking about your guys technical downgrade non sense. Take your own advice, let it go."

But you said in the post above it's a downgrade

@quadknight said:

@cainetao11 said:

No, it cannot. At the moment a theory is proven incontrovertibly to be fact, it ceases to be theory. How old are you?

Let this shit go dude....

Funny how cainetao could not see downgrade on xbox games from their PS4 counterpart for 4 years and now somehow see a downgrade on a game not on his platform of choice.

Bioware are the least suited to make jokes about graphics especially for the infectious garbage known as Mass Effect Andromeda. But the best thing would be that they fix the definition of the puddles xD

Sony still lied at E3 though... the game has been upgraded, hang the bastards.

maybe this'll help

down·grade[ˈdounɡrād]VERB(be downgraded)downgrades (third person present) · downgraded (past tense) · downgraded (past participle) · downgrading (present participle)

1. reduce to a lower grade, rank, or level of importance."some jobs had gradually been downgraded from skilled to semiskilled"synonyms: demote · lower · lower in status · reduce/lower in rank · reduce in importance · relegate · bust · degrade · disparage · denigrate · detract from · run down · decry · belittle · make light of · minimize · defame · bad-mouthantonyms: upgrade · promote · praise · talk up

@tormentos said:

@quadknight said:

@cainetao11 said:

No, it cannot. At the moment a theory is proven incontrovertibly to be fact, it ceases to be theory. How old are you?

Let this shit go dude....

Funny how cainetao could not see downgrade on xbox games from their PS4 counterpart for 4 years and now somehow see a downgrade on a game not on his platform of choice.

LOL and it was only me right?https://www.gamespot.com/videos/reality-check-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-/2300-6423491/ REKT

I never said the whole Spiderman game. I said the puddle scene. Ther is a visual difference. It doesn't look as good as the 2017 demo imo.

@cainetao11:

Your opinion. BUT, opinions can be wrong though. Embargo is lifted up few days ago, now, you have a chance to prove to the world that scene is downgraded at least in artistic way.:D

Too bad the last good game Bioware made was Dragon Age: Origins. Not coincidentally it's also the last game they developed before selling out to EA.

Yes they can. But it has to be proven. Nobody has since the guy from DF clearly said "this is my THEORY (which is an opinion); Less effective than E3 2017, Less Specific than E3 2017; Cube mapping switched to GENERIC". None of that sounds positive to me in regards to the puddle scene which is what I talked about.

Night will come and I will follow, for my victims no tomorrow-Slayer

And in the end it's an artistic change. Artistic change and technical change aren't the same. It's fine if it doesn't look good to you.

and I never said it was technical :)