Bioware - Once again showing Bethesda how it's done - Poll

See that game called Dragon Age Bethesda? That is what Oblivion should have been, that's the sort of depth of characters Fallout should have had. In a Bioware RPG your choices affect the outcome of the story where as a Bethesda RPG your choices affect how big your knife or gun is allowed to be.

All flash and no substance make Bethesda RPG's appeal to the shooter generation. It is good to see a company take an old premise and bring it bang up to date without losing core values, well done Bioware.

So who do you think is best, and why?

Why can't there ever be a "they are both good" notion here?

It's either one is the best, or another.

Why can't there ever be a "they are both good" notion here?

It's either one is the best, or another.

Why can't there ever be a "they are both good" notion here?

It's either one is the best, or another.

siddhu33

The reality is that one company is good while the other is a sold out husk slapping sparkly graphics over dross gameplay mechanics and dialogue. I'll let you choose which.

At least Oblivion didn't have gameplay straight out of the damn 90's.

Bioware may just me my favorite dev of all time. OF ALL TIME!

At least Oblivion didn't have gameplay straight out of the damn 90's.

ThatGuyFromB4

blog it though dragon age > fallout 3 i didn't like oblivion enough to even give it a real play, so i won't rate itJandurin

Blog it? My bad, I should have made another PS3 vs 360 graphics thread.

It is a discussion about two major gaming companies and while not one system against another it was decided long ago that this was ok for SW.

Truth. Sadly, Bethesda games will sell better for some reason. Dragon Age > everything Bethesda has ever done, even Morrowind.

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Why can't there ever be a "they are both good" notion here?

It's either one is the best, or another.

1080pOnly

The reality is that one company is good while the other is a sold out husk slapping sparkly graphics over dross gameplay mechanics and dialogue. I'll let you choose which.

At this point in time I hardly care about graphics in games anymore. But since currently I don't have time to play DAO yet(I will in december), I want to know how well the morality system works. Fallout 3 was largely the first game I ever played that has it(yes I know I don't have much WRPG experience) and that game's dialogue choice and consequences mechanism impressed the hell out of me, does DAO trump it in every regard?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]blog it though dragon age > fallout 3 i didn't like oblivion enough to even give it a real play, so i won't rate it1080pOnly

Blog it? My bad, I should have made another PS3 vs 360 graphics thread.

It is a discussion about two major gaming companies and while not one system against another it was decided long ago that this was ok for SW.

At least Oblivion didn't have gameplay straight out of the damn 90's.

ThatGuyFromB4

True, the simplistic controls, lack of options, poor dialogue and extremely limited story are much more the realm of the 80's.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]blog it though dragon age > fallout 3 i didn't like oblivion enough to even give it a real play, so i won't rate itJandurin

Blog it? My bad, I should have made another PS3 vs 360 graphics thread.

It is a discussion about two major gaming companies and while not one system against another it was decided long ago that this was ok for SW.

Hmm, ok good point. Let me see what I can do about that.

does DAO trump it in every regard?

PSdual_wielder

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does DAO trump it in every regard?

Jandurin

Waiting for the Oblivion fans cry of 96% in 3..2..1..

It was so clear the reviewer had only played a small portion of the game when he gave that score.

You can't compare BioWare and Bethesda. BioWare makes Turn-Based RPGs with great StoryTelling and Bethesda makes Sandbox style with little storytelling but you can make up your own story.

Fallout 3 and Oblivion are better then anything Bioware has.

oblivion >> dragon age >>> fallout 3. bathesda is better imo

Fallout 3 and Oblivion are better then anything Bioware has.

3sFan

does DAO trump it in every regard?

didnt I make this exact thread last week?

At least Oblivion didn't have gameplay straight out of the damn 90's.

ThatGuyFromB4

Bioware embarasses Bethesda, you don't have to insert 30 mods into a Bioware game to make it playable, though Fallout 3 was fine without mods. One of the most infuriating things in Oblivion, which ruined any NPC immersion, was having the same 3 or 4 voice actors for EVERY role, for example "HEY, THIS MAJOR VILLAN SOUNDS JUST LIKE THAT HOMELESS PERSON I JUST GAVE A COIN TO, WHAT A TWIST". In the Dragon Age credits, there are something like 100 voice actors for additional voices, maybe since Oblivion sold so well, they can do more then a couple voices in ES5. 50000 miles of blank empty space didn't help ES4's immersion either.

Also, lol at Oblivion not having gameplay out of the 90s, I've played a healthy amount of Daggerfall and Morrowind, they play pretty much exactly the same.

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Fallout 3 and Oblivion are better then anything Bioware has.

ThatGuyFromB4

Maybe, but Fallout 3 was an amazing game.

Bioware but not because of DA:O, it's for Mass Effect.

I love both. Probably Bioware a bit more

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At least Oblivion didn't have gameplay straight out of the damn 90's.

thunderf00t

Mass Effect 2 is an example of Bioware bringing RPG combat into the modern age. DA is just Bioware stuck in the past.

Dragon age is the best RPG ive played since KOTOR, although fallout and elder scrolls were great games, I just hope both companies keep it going into the future. They both have blown past any other rpg devs in the world, and helped refresh a genre that was stuck in the turn based jrpg combat system with worse and worse characters actingly like angsty dragon ball characters YUCK!

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At least Oblivion didn't have gameplay straight out of the damn 90's.

ThatGuyFromB4

Mass Effect 2 is an example of Bioware bringing RPG combat into the modern age. DA is just Bioware stuck in the past.

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At least Oblivion didn't have gameplay straight out of the damn 90's.

ThatGuyFromB4

Mass Effect 2 is an example of Bioware bringing RPG combat into the modern age. DA is just Bioware stuck in the past.

you do aim your spells in dragons age (you can target an enemy or any part of the floor for maximum damage), and RPG's are supposed to be about choices and character building, they dont auto anything if you dont build them right, you sound like an action game fan, why are you in an rpg post?

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[QUOTE="thunderf00t"] Actually, it very much does. Swing, block, swing, block, hard swing, block, with a spell mixed in now and again. Not exactly advanced stuff.110million

Mass Effect 2 is an example of Bioware bringing RPG combat into the modern age. DA is just Bioware stuck in the past.

Sure there's a place for these games, I'm just disappointed it had to be THIS game, as it looked very interesting to me.

At least Oblivion didn't have gameplay straight out of the damn 90's.

ThatGuyFromB4

Dragons age's combat system is an advanced form of kotor which is from 2004 or 2005, the 90's is nothing but JRPG's that are still backgrounds with completely turn based abilities. This isnt going into a loading screen when combat starts to take you to some fight scene, its all in full 3-d, in real time. The combat system is amazingly strategic and advanced, and you made youreself look like a fool with such an innacurate comment.

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At least Oblivion didn't have gameplay straight out of the damn 90's.

ThatGuyFromB4

Mass Effect 2 is an example of Bioware bringing RPG combat into the modern age. DA is just Bioware stuck in the past.

And that is why Dragon Age is much closer to real RPGs (the pen & pencil ones). RPGs aren't about skills of a player, but about skills of a character.

I don't need to have played DA, the combat is basically WoW with a pause button and controlling 4 characters instead of 1.

ThatGuyFromB4

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[QUOTE="ThatGuyFromB4"]I'll take direct control over my character over that auto attack, auto block, auto dodge, auto basically everything garbage...your character practically plays itself. You don't even have to AIM your SPELLS in Dragon Age.

Mass Effect 2 is an example of Bioware bringing RPG combat into the modern age. DA is just Bioware stuck in the past.

ThatGuyFromB4

Sure there's a place for these games, I'm just disappointed it had to be THIS game, as it looked very interesting to me.

its the game of the year by a large margin, you should play it then you may understand. The combat is strategic and very difficult, there is nothing boring or old about it, and it is definately not WOW, the combat isnt even similar. Your presumtions are wrong, you may just have a different taste in games, and thats fine, but bashing the best rpg thats been released in years doesnt make you look good one way or the other.

And that is why Dragon Age is much closer to real RPGs (the pen & pencil ones). RPGs aren't about skills of a player, but about skills of a character.

Icarian

I don't need to have played DA, the combat is basically WoW with a pause button and controlling 4 characters instead of 1.

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I don't need to have played DA, the combat is basically WoW with a pause button and controlling 4 characters instead of 1.

Jandurin

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I don't need to have played DA, the combat is basically WoW with a pause button and controlling 4 characters instead of 1.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"] I lol'dh575309

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I don't need to have played DA, the combat is basically WoW with a pause button and controlling 4 characters instead of 1.

ThatGuyFromB4

you could say that about tons of games that have completely different mechanics, that arent even in the same genre! and NO, its about positioning your team, controlling enemies, using your aoes at the right time, its very tactical, and the choices you make when building your characters has a huge impact on how you play. Thats like saying isnt zelda OOT just about doing a side roll and spamming the A button when its one of the most loved enjoyed high rated games of all time. Your being condecending about something alot of more advanced gamers get and you dont.

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="ThatGuyFromB4"]So you're saying the combat isn't about auto attacking and activating various skills and abilities then?

Both are very talented studios, but I'd say Bioware is better.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"] I lol'dchrion133

you could say that about tons of games that have completely different mechanics, that arent even in the same genre! and NO, its about positioning your team, controlling enemies, using your aoes at the right time, its very tactical, and the choices you make when building your characters has a huge impact on how you play. Thats like saying isnt zelda OOT just about doing a side roll and spamming the A button when its one of the most loved enjoyed high rated games of all time. Your being condecending about something alot of more advanced gamers get and you dont.

Obnoxious PC elitist claiming he's more advanced than me, there's something new. :roll:

And that whole "choices when building your characters thing" sounds a lot like WoW's talent trees and equipment system.

The core gameplay is WoW. Your character auto attacks, auto blocks, none of your attacks or spells or abilities need to be aimed. Totally skill-less game.

The core gameplay is WoW. Your character auto attacks, auto blocks, none of your attacks or spells or abilities need to be aimed. Totally skill-less game.

ThatGuyFromB4

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The core gameplay is WoW. Your character auto attacks, auto blocks, none of your attacks or spells or abilities need to be aimed. Totally skill-less game.

Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="ThatGuyFromB4"]

The core gameplay is WoW. Your character auto attacks, auto blocks, none of your attacks or spells or abilities need to be aimed. Totally skill-less game.