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#1 Dead-Memories
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I think it's time to put this nonsense to rest. Unbiased account of these two developers and their achievements.

Crash series

Crash Bandicoot Boxshot

Crash 1- 6.8

Crash 2- 8.6

Crash 3- 8.9

Jack Series

Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy Boxshot

Jack 1- 8.8

Jack 2- 9.1

Jack 3- 8.6

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune Boxshot

Uncharted 1- 8.0

Uncharted 2- 9.5

TBA

Bioware

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Boxshot

Kotor - 9.1

Neverwinter Nights Boxshot

NWN- 9.2

Mass Effect Boxshot

Mass Effect 1- 9.0

Mass Effect 2- 9.0

Jade Empire Boxshot

Jade Empire 8.4

Baldur's Gate Boxshot

Baldur's Gate- 9.2

BG2 Shadows of Amn- 9.2

Dragon Age: Origins Boxshot

Dragon Age Origins- 9.5

Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood Boxshot

Sonic- Chronicles 6.5

TBA-

Who is the more important/superior developer?

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#2 davidkamayor
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Bioware hands down.

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#3 GeneralShowzer
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Overall - Bioware But this gen is what matters. And the better developer this gen is Naughty Dog, since Bioware got bought out by EA, and their games are seriously becoming lackluster.
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#4 Filthybastrd
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They seem to fit into two entirely different niches to me.

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#5 tagyhag
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You're missing some games for both companies, either way, their genres are too different to really compare them.
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#6 Blixxed
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Bioware, without a doubt. Crash wasn't for me and Jak was alright. I have never been disappointed with a Bioware game.
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#7 Luxen90
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Bioware made a 6.5 game so Naughty Dog wins obviously. They have no competition.
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#8 R3FURBISHED
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Bioware has too much experience and has been in the game for far too long for most developers to compete. Naughty Dog has been on the ball something fierce lately, but as I said, Bioware is no stranger to this rodeo.
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#9 Dead-Memories
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Bioware made a 6.5 game so Naughty Dog wins obviously. They have no competition. Luxen90
well to be fair, ND also had a 6.8 game.
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#11 tonitorsi
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They are both amazing developers on their own right.

But Naughty Dog takes the cake for me for creating one the highest critically acclaimed games of all time and setting a graphics benchmark on consoles. UC3 will exceed those boundaries and surpass them.

And because Naughty God has the extraordinary talent and ability to go that high with every new video game they craft, thats the reason why for me, it will always be Naughty God > Bioware.

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#12 HailCaesarHail
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Naughty Dog makes way better games, Bioware is great aswell though.
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#13 DroidPhysX
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Dragon Age Origins + Mass Effect 2 > Naughty Dog

Thats why its Bioware

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[QUOTE="Luxen90"]Bioware made a 6.5 game so Naughty Dog wins obviously. They have no competition. Dead-Memories
well to be fair, ND also had a 6.8 game.

I'm not serious. Just sayin I think it's lame to compare both of them since they make entirely different genre for different folks, but I can easily see why people would choose Naughty Dog over Bioware if they've been a fan of their game since Crash.
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#15 Dead-Memories
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You're missing some games for both companies, either way, their genres are too different to really compare them.tagyhag
i didn't include the spinoffs/expansions/dlc. and what makes you think they can't be compared based on achievement/impact on the industry?

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#16 RadecSupreme
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Both are very good developers but since Bioware have put out more then I have to give them this one. Naughty Dog is still one of the best out there.

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[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

They are both amazing developers on their own right.

But Naughty Dog takes the cake for me for creating one the highest critically acclaimed games of all time and setting a graphics benchmark on consoles. UC3 will exceed those boundaries and surpass them.

And because Naughty God has the extraordinary talent andability to go that high with every new video game they craft, thats the reason why for me it, will always be Naughty God > Bioware.

Of all time? Uncharted 2 is there highest rated game and there are games this gen that have outscored it. Crash and Jak can't even compete with the godly games of their generations.
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[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

They are both amazing developers on their own right.

But Naughty Dog takes the cake for me for creating one the highest critically acclaimed games of all time and setting a graphics benchmark on consoles. UC3 will exceed those boundaries and surpass them.

And because Naughty God has the extraordinary talent andability to go that high with every new video game they craft, thats the reason why for me it, will always be Naughty God > Bioware.

Blixxed

Of all time? Uncharted 2 is there highest rated game and there are games this gen that have outscored it. Crash and Jak can't even compete with the godly games of their generations.

I noticed that some people have said that UC2 story was absolute crap and love ND this gen....so i guess these people pick ND because UC2 has teh grafix in da bag

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[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

They are both amazing developers on their own right.

But Naughty Dog takes the cake for me for creating one the highest critically acclaimed games of all time and setting a graphics benchmark on consoles. UC3 will exceed those boundaries and surpass them.

And because Naughty God has the extraordinary talent andability to go that high with every new video game they craft, thats the reason why for me it, will always be Naughty God > Bioware.

Blixxed

Of all time? Uncharted 2 is there highest rated game and there are games this gen that have outscored it. Crash and Jak can't even compete with the godly games of their generations.

Eh there are barely any games that have outscored it and none made by Bioware.

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Crash 1- 6.8 i stopped reading there.
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#21 Dead-Memories
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[QUOTE="Blixxed"][QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

They are both amazing developers on their own right.

But Naughty Dog takes the cake for me for creating one the highest critically acclaimed games of all time and setting a graphics benchmark on consoles. UC3 will exceed those boundaries and surpass them.

And because Naughty God has the extraordinary talent andability to go that high with every new video game they craft, thats the reason why for me it, will always be Naughty God > Bioware.

RadecSupreme

Of all time? Uncharted 2 is there highest rated game and there are games this gen that have outscored it. Crash and Jak can't even compete with the godly games of their generations.

Eh there are barely any games that have outscored it and none made by Bioware.

what do you mean? on Metacritic Mass Effect 2 and UC 2 have equal scores on gs DA:O and UC 2 have equal scores.
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#22 ampiva
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Naughty Dog remains good. Unlike Bioware who went downhill after NWN.
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#23 Dead-Memories
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Naughty Dog remains good. Unlike Bioware who went downhill after NWN.ampiva
well your opinion is certainly of the minority

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#24 vincent380
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They are both amazing developers on their own right.

But Naughty Dog takes the cake for me for creating one the highest critically acclaimed games of all time and setting a graphics benchmark on consoles. UC3 will exceed those boundaries and surpass them.

And because Naughty God has the extraordinary talent and ability to go that high with every new video game they craft, thats the reason why for me, it will always be Naughty God > Bioware.

tonitorsi

lol@naughty god But they get my vote. Crash was a great series on the PS1 i dont know whats up with those low scores.

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#25 BigBoss154
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Where's the option for equal?

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#26 svenus97
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Naughty Dog is great, but BioWare is better.

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[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

Of all time? Uncharted 2 is there highest rated game and there are games this gen that have outscored it. Crash and Jak can't even compete with the godly games of their generations.Blixxed

Eh there are barely any games that have outscored it and none made by Bioware.

what do you mean? on Metacritic Mass Effect 2 and UC 2 have equal scores on gs DA:O and UC 2 have equal scores.

Yes but this topic was created because of mass effect and uc3 being released so close to each other, so I'll give the upper hand to ND.
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#28 edo-tensei
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Bioware dissapointed with mass2 and DA2 so far so I'll give it to ND.

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#29 abuabed
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I love both of them. I still remember Crash games and how I loved them. MDK which was one of the first games I have played on PC. Both of those companies made games that remind me of my childhood.
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#30 Renegade_Fury
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BioWare, by miles and miles. Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Dragon Age... you can't beat that.

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#31 Diviniuz
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Bioware has way more history than ND
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#32 3rdbass
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Not sure why people bash UC2 for the story. Yes it isn't innovative and a little cliche but what games aren't I mean even ME 1 and 2 just seemed like star trek games as far as the story goes. The thing I like about both is they are very well written without a lot of plot holes. The opposite might be a game like HR which is innovative but not very well written with major plot holes(still a good game but lacking a little bit for sure). I think they are both great developers but I have to give it to ND since Uncharted is my favorite series of all time. Though I willl say ME is right behind at number 2.

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#33 SilverChimera
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As "meh" as Crash was compared to Spyro, Naughty God > Bioware :D
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#34 padaporra
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They are not even in the same league. Bioware wins hands down.

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#35 Dead-Memories
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As "meh" as Crash was compared to Spyro, Naughty God > Bioware :DSilverChimera
what makes them God?
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]As "meh" as Crash was compared to Spyro, Naughty God > Bioware :DDead-Memories
what makes them God?

Cuz they made da best grafix for consolz ;)

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Definitely Bioware for me, I thought Crash was alright and I didn't like Jak & Daxter much.

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Definitely Naughty Dog, they've been behind my favorite series each gen since the PS1 days.
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[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"]As "meh" as Crash was compared to Spyro, Naughty God > Bioware :DDroidPhysX

what makes them God?

Cuz they made da best grafix for consolz ;)

how could I forget. :lol: all flash no substance.
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] what makes them God? Dead-Memories

Cuz they made da best grafix for consolz ;)

how could I forget. :lol: all flash no substance.

Me2 had substance? It's the most shallow RPG ever made.
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This isn't even a contest. BioWare by a few hundreds miles. Baldur's Gate II and Neverwinter Nights alone crush everything Naughty Dog ever put their hands on.
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[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Cuz they made da best grafix for consolz ;)

GeneralShowzer

how could I forget. :lol: all flash no substance.

Me2 had substance? It's the most shallow RPG ever made.

please don't turn this into a mass effect 2 bash fest. i didn't even mention it once besides the OP

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This generation, I think Naughty Dog pwns them really hard. Overall Bioware is better though if you include the past.....Crash Bandicoot wasn't anything special and Jak and Daxter was pretty good. But not like....KoTOR or Baldurs good.
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omg the poll results are just so surprising :o............:roll:

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#45 DroidPhysX
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This generation, I think Naughty Dog pwns them really hard. Overall Bioware is better though if you include the past.....Crash Bandicoot wasn't anything special and Jak and Daxter was pretty good. But not like....KoTOR or Baldurs good.Lethalhazard

Bioware:

  • Mass Effect (AA)
  • Mass Effect 2 (AAA)
  • Dragon Age Origins (AAA)

Naughty Dog:

  • UC1 (AA)
  • UC2 (AAA)

Damn, Bioware got owned

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Ill let this new Uncharted 3 GIF do the talking. One word AMAZING! Naughty Dog are Gods when it comes to games i mean just look at that GIF and they still have one year OMG nothing will touch Uncharted 3. http://www.abload.de/img/zomguncharted38gl1.gif
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] how could I forget. :lol: all flash no substance. Dead-Memories

Me2 had substance? It's the most shallow RPG ever made.

please don't turn this into a mass effect 2 bash fest. i didn't even mention it once besides the OP

Why do you say then that UC2 is all flash and no substance ? I'm telling you that ME2 had less substance than UC2.
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[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Cuz they made da best grafix for consolz ;)

GeneralShowzer

how could I forget. :lol: all flash no substance.

Me2 had substance? It's the most shallow RPG ever made.

lol...youre funny sure the characters had no substance...whatever.

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Ill let this new Uncharted 3 GIF do the talking. One word AMAZING! Naughty Dog are Gods when it comes to games i mean just look at that GIF and they still have one year OMG nothing will touch Uncharted 3. http://www.abload.de/img/zomguncharted38gl1.gifpinkpanther291
The gif looks AMAZING:|:?:roll:;):question:

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

Me2 had substance? It's the most shallow RPG ever made.GeneralShowzer
please don't turn this into a mass effect 2 bash fest. i didn't even mention it once besides the OP

Why do you say then that UC2 is all flash and no substance ? I'm telling you that ME2 had less substance than UC2.

UC2 is an Indy Jones rip..... ME2 is about the human condition.... ME2 has WAY more substance than UC2.