BioWare's Downward Spiral Continues: The Old Republic Goes F2P Except Not Really

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

omg, the cool kids don't like Bioware, whatever will they do? :lol:

Jankarcop

I honestly don't think anyone likes bioware anymore, casuals or elitists.....

THe people who mattered left the company, so yeah

Inb4 texasgoldrush ruins the thread

It could work though Mass effect 3 multiplayer seems to run on a similar model and its moderatly popular.This is by far the worst and most expensive WOW killer made to date. TORanic the saga continues.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Pfft I haven't seen one. jg4xchamp

Atleast Shake has some form of personality or at the very least, ...can be "ironically enjoyable"

Where Texas is a humorless one dimensional douchebag who just argues with people over the same sh*t in every thread.

I'd say you have the better deal Padre

You know it's bad when Darklink takes time to make a topic on it :P

You know it's bad when Darklink takes time to make a topic on it :P

seanmcloughlin

I await a defense from texas who will praise this move as the second coming of christ

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

If I have to do that Darklink has to start agreeing with Texas Gold Rush or that other Bioware dude.

Stringerboy

Dreman?

I swore that guy took a bath with a toaster after the indoc theory was proven to be crap

Sadly, this was inevitable.

WoW is like the alpha male, dominating a large ammount of subscribers. A lesser male named TORtanic tried to get in on WoW's feeding grounds, it was not pretty. Meanwhile a few kilometers away, Guild Wars 2 is happily grazing on its own fields, sure the beast known as WoW managed to take away some of its fields, but it is still doing fine.

Seriously, tacking on unneeded garbage wont result in a huge success.

WoW delivers the following in spades. Accessability, Popularity, Fluidity, Optimization, Refinement and Trinity Combat. SWTOR has story, but who the **** plays an mmo for story?!?

Funny how people seem to be more amused by the game's failure than the actual game itself.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

omg, the cool kids don't like Bioware, whatever will they do? :lol:

Jankarcop

I honestly don't think anyone likes bioware anymore, casuals or elitists.....

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

You know it's bad when Darklink takes time to make a topic on it :P

wis3boi

I await a defense from texas who will praise this move as the second coming of christ

Sounds fairly accurate

What an utter waste of money to make a mediocre MMORPG that could of been used to make a KOTOR3 or some other epic WRPG.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

omg, the cool kids don't like Bioware, whatever will they do? :lol:

lx_theo

I honestly don't think anyone likes bioware anymore, casuals or elitists.....

Factor that in with the Dr's leaving and ToR getting the worst F2P model ever seen to date........defending Bioware at this piont only proves one is being a fanboy. It's not about bias when all the facts are infront fo you.

Gonna get GW2 when it's cheaper

How is that pay to win?

How is that pay to win?

SkyRaid

Sadly, this was inevitable.

WoW is like the alpha male, dominating a large ammount of subscribers. A lesser male named TORtanic tried to get in on WoW's feeding grounds, it was not pretty. Meanwhile a few kilometers away, Guild Wars 2 is happily grazing on its own fields, sure the beast known as WoW managed to take away some of its fields, but it is still doing fine.

Seriously, tacking on unneeded garbage wont result in a huge success.

WoW delivers the following in spades. Accessability, Popularity, Fluidity, Optimization, Refinement and Trinity Combat. SWTOR has story, but who the **** plays an mmo for story?!?

Funny how people seem to be more amused by the game's failure than the actual game itself.

Maroxad

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Sadly, this was inevitable.

WoW is like the alpha male, dominating a large ammount of subscribers. A lesser male named TORtanic tried to get in on WoW's feeding grounds, it was not pretty. Meanwhile a few kilometers away, Guild Wars 2 is happily grazing on its own fields, sure the beast known as WoW managed to take away some of its fields, but it is still doing fine.

Seriously, tacking on unneeded garbage wont result in a huge success.

WoW delivers the following in spades. Accessability, Popularity, Fluidity, Optimization, Refinement and Trinity Combat. SWTOR has story, but who the **** plays an mmo for story?!?

Funny how people seem to be more amused by the game's failure than the actual game itself.

TrapJak

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

I honestly don't think anyone likes bioware anymore, casuals or elitists.....

Jankarcop

Factor that in with the Dr's leaving and ToR getting the worst F2P model ever seen to date........defending Bioware at this piont only proves one is being a fanboy. It's not about bias when all the facts are infront fo you.

[QUOTE="SkyRaid"]

How is that pay to win?

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="SkyRaid"]

How is that pay to win?

lx_theo

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Sadly, this was inevitable.

WoW is like the alpha male, dominating a large ammount of subscribers. A lesser male named TORtanic tried to get in on WoW's feeding grounds, it was not pretty. Meanwhile a few kilometers away, Guild Wars 2 is happily grazing on its own fields, sure the beast known as WoW managed to take away some of its fields, but it is still doing fine.

Seriously, tacking on unneeded garbage wont result in a huge success.

WoW delivers the following in spades. Accessability, Popularity, Fluidity, Optimization, Refinement and Trinity Combat. SWTOR has story, but who the **** plays an mmo for story?!?

Funny how people seem to be more amused by the game's failure than the actual game itself.

TrapJak

I would say that SWTOR's failure MAY have been a good thing for the mmo industry.

Sure, it is always sad to see a game do badly. But with SWTOR, it may very well have sent a message to other developers that budget alone does not make a good game. And that cloning WoW is not a particulary good idea.

One can hope at least and really, looking at the future, I cant see a single WoW clone in sight. Themeparks, yes. But not all themeparks are WoW clones.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="lx_theo"] Besides purple items (you know what they are, right?), what is pay to win? Most of it is just limited access to modes. The five death thing is just "in field" (meaning reviving at the spot where you died).lx_theo

I'll agree here in the fact that pay to win implies the game revolves around players competing against each other in combat...except swtor's pvp is a pile of tripe and most people would rather do flashpoints

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I know, dude. I've played the game during the trial periods/free weekends. It was a pretty good game, all in all, which is why I'm saddened by their F2P method.DarkLink77

well, you can't even get access to the raids to begin with in swtor unless you subscribe, so I'm not sure how i see that as a reason to claim pay to win. Perhaps a different term is in need....like "maybe this entire game just failed to deliver on all fronts." :P

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I know, dude. I've played the game during the trial periods/free weekends. It was a pretty good game, all in all, which is why I'm saddened by their F2P method.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="lx_theo"] So WHAT is pay to win? I see pay to play more of the game. Not really the pay to win you've been saying.wis3boi

well, you can't even get access to the raids to begin with in swtor unless you subscribe, so I'm not sure how i see that as a reason to claim pay to win. Perhaps a different term is in need....like "maybe this entire game just failed to deliver on all fronts." :P

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="lx_theo"] So WHAT is pay to win? I see pay to play more of the game. Not really the pay to win you've been saying.lx_theo

How on Earth do they think this will make people want to play?DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]How on Earth do they think this will make people want to play?FrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I consider Pay to Win when you have to pay to do well in a game. For instance, if your definition of doing well in an MMO is raiding ala WoW, and you had to pay to make that feasible, it's pay to win. Same with PVP. The people who pay have a decided advantage over those that don't. Might not be the best term for TOR, but we'll see.DarkLink77

Its not a bad model. The trick is balancing the free to play and subscription benefits so that free to play isn't barebones enough that it will stop potential players from playing and the subscription is high enough above the free to play that it seems worth it to free to play players to get more access. Time will tell how that balance they chose works.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]How on Earth do they think this will make people want to play?DarkLink77

Why would any1 play this garbage when gw2 is released and is FULLY free to play? SWOTOR looks so damn ugly and :lol: at its combat lol even Skyrim has a better one and that is saying a loooot.silversix_

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] Bioware and EA. How on Earth do they think, period.skrat_01

Sad isnt it.

Too see all that talent go to waste because of a few thick headed design choices by a few higher ups. This model wont be doing the game any favors.