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There is an uncomfortable truth that not many of you know, and no it has nothing to do with global warming. Black Ops 2 released a few months back and unbeknowest to many it revolutionized and changed the way we look at storytelling in a modern day first person shooter. In this thread I will provide you with cold hard facts and truths. Now to do this, I have once again crafted almost-professional charts and graphs and presentations to help you better understand and compute this information. The brain acts as a sponge you see, and I have figured out how to unlock certain barriers so that you can sponge up my know-hows and factual-awareness. I've had a few drinkns so forgive me if I ramble a bit.

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It's quite simple really. Blackl OPS 22 's campaign is driven by choice. Never before in a setpiece driven FPS shooter has choice played such an important and defining role. Treyarch's implementation of said choices is ingenious, and dare I say even puts some heavily story driven RPGs to shame. It's brilliant in the way how it presents it's choices to the player. I doesn't wave a big flag in front of your face and yell "HEY A*SHOL*, you're making a choice now you stupid imbread *****in ***** piece of ***** &*****."

Sometimes you the player are totally unaware that you're even making a choice. It just happens and for all you know that's the way it was meant to play out. But god damit that's NOT how it happens in this game. This isn't Bioshock. This isn't Halo. This isn't Battlefield. Those games are all on set paths. NOT Blak Ops2. This game is constantly evolving based on your actions and THATS WHY it's campaign is better than those games. It's all about depth you see.

For example, at one point you bust into this meth lab place or some sh*t (I don't remember if that was in this game. Could have been from a different one or something else entirely, but my point will still stands) and your guys are likee FREEZE MOTHER ******" and one of the meth lab guys are like "sh*t we gotta burn the papers before these military dudes and Michael Rooker find it because it has secret CIA sh*t written in it" and his buddy is like "WELL DONT STAND THERE AND TALK ABOUT IT F*CK*NG DO IT!" and the guy takes off running to burn the papers.

Naturally, we the audience are tricked into thinking "ok boring cutscenes over time to kill sum b*tchez" but that's what the game WANTS you to think! Treyarch being the masters of game design and storytell that they are distracted you from the fact that those papers are IMPORTANT and give you more insight into the story. If you actually paid attention and stopped him, you could have learned more. That's just one of MANY! And btw thinking back I don't actually think there is a meth lab in the game but the stuff about the papers happened.

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That is the first important element to Black Ops 2's vastly underrated understated underappreciated and underrated story. The SECOND part... is emotion. Emotion is important, because it's something we feel. It's that little guy that sits down in every single one of us, and tugs on our heart strings once in a while. He pokes the back of your eyes here and there to get a little tear out of you. He rubs your belly a bit to give you that warm fuzzy sensation in the pit of your stomach. Well unlike Halo, Black Ops 2 IS that guy. Ya see a true emotional experience should have you feeling both the highs and the lows. Think of a good story as a roller coaster ride. Black Ops 2 has a good story because one moment it will be rubbing your belly, and the next second it will kick you in the nuts. Highs and low.

Now I took Agricultural Business back in high school. Being that I live in Iowa, knowing how to farm is important. I eventually didn't become a farmer and am considered a failure amongst Iowans because of that, but whatever. The fact is my Ag Buisiness teacher was a brilliant man. He taught me everything I know, and one of the things he taught me is the difference between Warm Fuzzies, and Cold Pricklies. You see for any good business relationship to thrive you need to build report with your partner and this is achieved through warm fuzzies. Ask the guy about his kids once in a while. Ask about his wife. If one of his grand parents died, pat him on the back. Make him feel good, aka, warm and fuzzy.

And THAT is what Black Ops 2 does with it's audience. It asks about your kids, gives you a hug, and tells you that everything is going to be alright, metaphorically speaking of course. Halo 4 doesn't do that.It doesn't take you on an emotional rollercoaster ride, or asks you about your symbolic kids. Allow me to show you a graph that illustrates the "emotional rollercoaster ride" that Black Ops 2 takes you on...

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Black Ops 2 makes YOU apart of the experience, and unlike a lot of these other modern day games, makes you feel like you are IN the game. And of course it's setpieces are incredible as well. Easily the best of the franchise. So in closing, Black Ops 2's campaign is a work of art. A modern day masterpiece that puts to shame other lesser shooters like Halo 4 and Tribes Ascend that lack emotional depth. Black Ops 2 is the finest example of FPS storytelling to date.


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Spec Ops The Line is the only MMS game where I felt the story was actually worth paying attention to
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:lol: I missed you.

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Too long, didnt read.

Spec Ops>>>>>>>Cod

As far as military shooters go.

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I dropped a better story in my toilet a few mintues ago.

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Maybe I should move up the priority of this game in my backlog.

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Maybe I should move up the priority of this game in my backlog.

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Ohhh you so should. Personally I didn't care for the multiplayer and Zombies is played out, but it's definitely worth it for the campaign. I loooove the campaign, and this is coming from a guy that is typically less than impressed with most Call of Duty games.

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Not only is this the only time you had a somewhat entertaining OP. It's only further confirmation that you will always be sh1t. Truly a remarkable talent of yours shake.
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Champ says you are all blessed angels and that he loves you all.
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shake thread classic work right here

100/10

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TOO much crap and picture of stupid girls...

just because your sig and gamer pic is girls doesn't mean your thread needs them...

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TOO much crap and picture of stupid girls...k2theswiss
u just mad u cant be that gud. your problem is that you have no swag and YOUR COMPUTER NEEDZ MOAR CPU!!!!!

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:lol:

No!Having choice isn't the only thing that can make a game good. The story must be presented well which halo 4 does pretty well and the game must have good villians.

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Not only is this the only time you had a somewhat entertaining OP. It's only further confirmation that you will always be sh1t. Truly a remarkable talent of yours shake. jg4xchamp

So you're saying you agree with me? AWESOME!

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#17 Jonwh18
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ALL YOUR THREADS SUCK

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#18 ionusX
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ALL YOUR THREADS SUCK

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u is just jelly

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story telling bleh.

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#20 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

ALL YOUR THREADS SUCK

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u is just jelly

Thats lironic because your threads suck too. All you do is hype vague PC games no one cares about, ignoring all the obvious big name PC games.

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#21 Master_ShakeXXX
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ALL YOUR THREADS SUCK

Jonwh18

I'm just gonna pretend I didn't hear that and go back to getting drunk. You're off the hook, this time.

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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

ALL YOUR THREADS SUCK

Master_ShakeXXX

I'm just gonna pretend I didn't hear that and go back to getting drunk. You're off the hook, this time.

YOU SUCK AT LIFE YOU WORTHLESS DRUNK

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I've seen better things drop from the rear of a horse

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Not only is this the only time you had a somewhat entertaining OP. It's only further confirmation that you will always be sh1t. Truly a remarkable talent of yours shake. Master_ShakeXXX

So you're saying you agree with me? AWESOME!

On the game? Probably not. I would assume if it has any merits in narrative/story for videogames it's "hey look videogame stories are sh1t, this was news for nobody". But I haven't played it, and unlike SW I hold myself to a higher standard of actually playing the games before I bash. I sincerely doubt it can match up with Spec Ops the line. I sincerely doubt anything it has done for story telling in gaming isn't something I couldn't go back to something like Metroid Prime, Bioshock, Half Life 1 and 2, Marathon(as much as I think Bungie) or actual well done plots in games.

I'm saying I like the format and the presentation of your thread. It sticks out in the middle of a bunch of samey threads that are lame trolling. I mean this is lame trolling, but at least your presentation is better than usual. You're like the God of War series. The actual content? Kind of crap. The presentation? Pretty f*cking good

I'd argue that you have reading disabilities, but that's frowned upon.

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Hmm I wondering if this is just a joke. I actually havent finished the campaign because it was soo boring I stopped. Havent been a big fan of the campaigns since modern warfare, but god I even finished battlefield 3s campaign and got at least some enjoyment out of it. Black ops 2 has been a chore so far.
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It's good for a Call of Duty story, but nothing special.

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Keep drinking, Shake.

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#28 DarkLink77
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This pleb obviously hasn't played Spec Ops.

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Must've been hard to type all that up with one hand.
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#30 Wasdie  Moderator
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No, and you worked way too hard on this thread.

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This pleb obviously hasn't played Spec Ops.

DarkLink77

Oh FFS when did Spec Ops become soooo kewl? It's all anybody talks about anymore! But yeah I'll get around to playing it sometime. Lord knows I wont let negative reviews deter me. Nier is one of my favorites afterall :D

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No, and you worked way too hard on this thread.

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Took me 40 minutes bro. My mind works like Skynet, only faster.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

This pleb obviously hasn't played Spec Ops.

Master_ShakeXXX

Oh FFS when did Spec Ops become soooo kewl? It's all anybody talks about anymore! But yeah I'll get around to playing it sometime. Lord knows I wont let negative reviews deter me. Nier is one of my favorites afterall :D

When gamers went on the cult circle jerk route to defend its story as the 2nd coming of gaming christ(Mother 3). For all intents and purposes it's got a lot of Apocalypse Now feel to it, and kind of throws all these other military shooters under the bus. On the flip side I would have liked more of its strong points conveyed via gameplay, and less through cutscenes. Nolan North f*cking kills it though. I'll give him that.
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No, and you worked way too hard on this thread.

Master_ShakeXXX

Took me 40 minutes bro. My mind works like Skynet, only faster.

In that 40 minutes it never occurred to you that Black Ops 2 story is mediocre and forgettable and you were wasting your time?

I wish I had 40 minutes to waste like that.

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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

This pleb obviously hasn't played Spec Ops.

jg4xchamp

Oh FFS when did Spec Ops become soooo kewl? It's all anybody talks about anymore! But yeah I'll get around to playing it sometime. Lord knows I wont let negative reviews deter me. Nier is one of my favorites afterall :D

When gamers went on the cult circle jerk route to defend its story as the 2nd coming of gaming christ(Mother 3). For all intents and purposes it's got a lot of Apocalypse Now feel to it, and kind of throws all these other military shooters under the bus. On the flip side I would have liked more of its strong points conveyed via gameplay, and less through cutscenes. Nolan North f*cking kills it though. I'll give him that.

When does Nolan North not kill it? Dude has two modes

-Badass mother f*cker

-Badass

And when he's not doing voice acting he's getting it on with Victoria Secret models. He's the guy we all want to be.

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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No, and you worked way too hard on this thread.

Wasdie

Took me 40 minutes bro. My mind works like Skynet, only faster.

In that 40 minutes it never occurred to you that Black Ops 2 story is mediocre and forgettable and you were wasting your time?

I wish I had 40 minutes to waste like that.

I have 40 minutes to waste like that and even I thought it was a waste.
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Oh FFS when did Spec Ops become soooo kewl? It's all anybody talks about anymore! But yeah I'll get around to playing it sometime. Lord knows I wont let negative reviews deter me. Nier is one of my favorites afterall :D

Master_ShakeXXX

When gamers went on the cult circle jerk route to defend its story as the 2nd coming of gaming christ(Mother 3). For all intents and purposes it's got a lot of Apocalypse Now feel to it, and kind of throws all these other military shooters under the bus. On the flip side I would have liked more of its strong points conveyed via gameplay, and less through cutscenes. Nolan North f*cking kills it though. I'll give him that.

When does Nolan North not kill it? Dude has two modes

-Badass mother f*cker

-Badass

And when he's not doing voice acting he's getting it on with Victoria Secret models. He's the guy we all want to be.

Right your lameness aside(although he be f*cking supermodels? Respect), he has a very good performance in Spec Ops considering it's mostly just an angrier nathan drake voice. The fact that it has some in game banter that actually progresses with the tone of the plot is really cool yet so f*cking confusing on how it took this medium this long to do something like that. More importantly making you wonder what the f*ck Bioware/Rockstar/Bungie and company have been doing those hacks.
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Oh FFS when did Spec Ops become soooo kewl? It's all anybody talks about anymore! But yeah I'll get around to playing it sometime. Lord knows I wont let negative reviews deter me. Nier is one of my favorites afterall :D

Master_ShakeXXX

When gamers went on the cult circle jerk route to defend its story as the 2nd coming of gaming christ(Mother 3). For all intents and purposes it's got a lot of Apocalypse Now feel to it, and kind of throws all these other military shooters under the bus. On the flip side I would have liked more of its strong points conveyed via gameplay, and less through cutscenes. Nolan North f*cking kills it though. I'll give him that.

When does Nolan North not kill it? Dude has two modes

-Badass mother f*cker

-Badass

And when he's not doing voice acting he's getting it on with Victoria Secret models. He's the guy we all want to be.

You do know he's married with kids.
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He's living a nightmare. I feel so bad for him.
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I have no idea if he actually sleeps with supermodels, but he's Nolan North so it's undoubtedly true.

And I think Rockstar does a really good job with storytelling considering that they make a lot of open world games and have to drag sh*t out and throw a lot of filler in their games. RDR had a pretty good story all things considered.

As for Bioware I gave them one f*cking chance and they screwed it up. ME1 was garbage.

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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] When gamers went on the cult circle jerk route to defend its story as the 2nd coming of gaming christ(Mother 3). For all intents and purposes it's got a lot of Apocalypse Now feel to it, and kind of throws all these other military shooters under the bus. On the flip side I would have liked more of its strong points conveyed via gameplay, and less through cutscenes. Nolan North f*cking kills it though. I'll give him that. Randoggy

When does Nolan North not kill it? Dude has two modes

-Badass mother f*cker

-Badass

And when he's not doing voice acting he's getting it on with Victoria Secret models. He's the guy we all want to be.

You do know he's married with kids.

So? He's famous too.

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Black Ops 2 has some of the WORST storytelling I have EVER encountered.
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make a lot of open world games and have to drag sh*t out and throw a lot of filler in their games.

Master_ShakeXXX

I normally would go with something like "this is the stupidest thing you've said", but in your case that's f*cking hyperbole. But needless to say that's stupid. The genre you work in should not justify bad story telling or plot points. Their games are padded, fillered up, and fairly inconsistent from beginning to end.

And it certainly doesn't justify what I suffered with Max Payne 3. It's like they actively went out of their way to disrupt the players enjoyment of the game.

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#44 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

make a lot of open world games and have to drag sh*t out and throw a lot of filler in their games.

jg4xchamp

I normally would go with something like "this is the stupidest thing you've said", but in your case that's f*cking hyperbole. But needless to say that's stupid. The genre you work in should not justify bad story telling or plot points. Their games are padded, fillered up, and fairly inconsistent from beginning to end.

And it certainly doesn't justify what I suffered with Max Payne 3. It's like they actively went out of their way to disrupt the players enjoyment of the game.

Yeah a little bit of hyperbole. But still, it's like a known fact that open world games simply can't tell stories like linear and cinematic games. They don't have that benefit of being able to guide the player along this intricately paced storyline because that goes against what a open world game is all about. Like I said, Rockstar does a pretty damn good job though all things considered.

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Black Ops 2 has some of the WORST storytelling I have EVER encountered.Heirren

Can't troll me son.

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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

This pleb obviously hasn't played Spec Ops.

jg4xchamp

Oh FFS when did Spec Ops become soooo kewl? It's all anybody talks about anymore! But yeah I'll get around to playing it sometime. Lord knows I wont let negative reviews deter me. Nier is one of my favorites afterall :D

When gamers went on the cult circle jerk route to defend its story as the 2nd coming of gaming christ(Mother 3).

But Spec Ops has a good story. :P

It's less circle-jerk, more respect.

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cold pricklies

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#48 jg4xchamp
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make a lot of open world games and have to drag sh*t out and throw a lot of filler in their games.

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I normally would go with something like "this is the stupidest thing you've said", but in your case that's f*cking hyperbole. But needless to say that's stupid. The genre you work in should not justify bad story telling or plot points. Their games are padded, fillered up, and fairly inconsistent from beginning to end.

And it certainly doesn't justify what I suffered with Max Payne 3. It's like they actively went out of their way to disrupt the players enjoyment of the game.

Yeah a little bit of hyperbole. But still, it's like a known fact that open world games simply can't tell stories like linear and cinematic games. They don't have that benefit of being able to guide the player along this intricately paced storyline because that goes against what a open world game is all about. Like I said, Rockstar does a pretty damn good job though all things considered.

But that's not even remotely true. An Open World game is just a sandbox. Their narrative, their story is as liner and cinematic as the pieces of sh1t you like. They just come off completely oblivious to the concept that their game and story should be something cohesive.

You have a lot more impact on how Planescape plays out, but the story in that game(under the "good for a videogame story umbrella") is better than what the vast majority of linear circle jerks that get praised for the "stories" they tell. So again that's a sh1tty excuse for not delivering. Shoetime shows being lame by the end of their second season doesn't excuse Homeland for falling apart in the second season. It just joins a special group dedicated to f*cking up.

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#49 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Oh FFS when did Spec Ops become soooo kewl? It's all anybody talks about anymore! But yeah I'll get around to playing it sometime. Lord knows I wont let negative reviews deter me. Nier is one of my favorites afterall :D

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When gamers went on the cult circle jerk route to defend its story as the 2nd coming of gaming christ(Mother 3).

But Spec Ops has a good story. :P

It's less circle-jerk, more respect.

Considering the game half that comes with it. I'm gonna stick to circle-jerk.

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#50 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Oh FFS when did Spec Ops become soooo kewl? It's all anybody talks about anymore! But yeah I'll get around to playing it sometime. Lord knows I wont let negative reviews deter me. Nier is one of my favorites afterall :D

DarkLink77

When gamers went on the cult circle jerk route to defend its story as the 2nd coming of gaming christ(Mother 3).

But Spec Ops has a good story. :P

It's less circle-jerk, more respect.

I'll play Spec Ops if you play Nier. Comon bro, DO IT!