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#51 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] I normally would go with something like "this is the stupidest thing you've said", but in your case that's f*cking hyperbole. But needless to say that's stupid. The genre you work in should not justify bad story telling or plot points. Their games are padded, fillered up, and fairly inconsistent from beginning to end.

And it certainly doesn't justify what I suffered with Max Payne 3. It's like they actively went out of their way to disrupt the players enjoyment of the game.

jg4xchamp

Yeah a little bit of hyperbole. But still, it's like a known fact that open world games simply can't tell stories like linear and cinematic games. They don't have that benefit of being able to guide the player along this intricately paced storyline because that goes against what a open world game is all about. Like I said, Rockstar does a pretty damn good job though all things considered.

But that's not even remotely true. An Open World game is just a sandbox. Their narrative, their story is as liner and cinematic as the pieces of sh1t you like. They just come off completely oblivious to the concept that their game and story should be something cohesive.

You have a lot more impact on how Planescape plays out, but the story in that game(under the "good for a videogame story umbrella") is better than what the vast majority of linear circle jerks that get praised for the "stories" they tell. So again that's a sh1tty excuse for not delivering. Shoetime shows being lame by the end of their second season doesn't excuse Homeland for falling apart in the second season. It just joins a special group dedicated to f*cking up.

It's just what my experiences with games have taught me over the years. Typically pacing and storytelling in linear games >>>>> open world games. Batman Arkham City is the ONE exception, but that's probably because I loved that f*cking game so much that I barely screwed around in it and just went from checkpoint to checkpoint. I was so hooked.

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#52 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] When gamers went on the cult circle jerk route to defend its story as the 2nd coming of gaming christ(Mother 3).jg4xchamp

But Spec Ops has a good story. :P

It's less circle-jerk, more respect.

Considering the game half that comes with it. I'm gonna stick to circle-jerk.

But I never praised the game half. >.>
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#53 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Yeah a little bit of hyperbole. But still, it's like a known fact that open world games simply can't tell stories like linear and cinematic games. They don't have that benefit of being able to guide the player along this intricately paced storyline because that goes against what a open world game is all about. Like I said, Rockstar does a pretty damn good job though all things considered.

Master_ShakeXXX

But that's not even remotely true. An Open World game is just a sandbox. Their narrative, their story is as liner and cinematic as the pieces of sh1t you like. They just come off completely oblivious to the concept that their game and story should be something cohesive.

You have a lot more impact on how Planescape plays out, but the story in that game(under the "good for a videogame story umbrella") is better than what the vast majority of linear circle jerks that get praised for the "stories" they tell. So again that's a sh1tty excuse for not delivering. Shoetime shows being lame by the end of their second season doesn't excuse Homeland for falling apart in the second season. It just joins a special group dedicated to f*cking up.

It's just what my experiences with games have taught me over the years. Typically pacing and storytelling in linear games >>>>> open world games. Batman Arkham City is the ONE exception, but that's probably because I loved that f*cking game so much that I barely screwed around in it and just went from checkpoint to checkpoint. I was so hooked.

Because you're focusing on the part of that game you should focus on. The main story/mission part. You start judging in how the other characters play, the riddles, and all that sh1t and you either

A: Start questioning their relevance to the plot
B: Let it go because lol superheroes who cares

More importantly I would say there is no major disconnect between plot and game in those games that isn't your typical cutscene and gameplay stuff. Rockstar is almost oblivious to the concept that they have their characters act one way, where as they give environments where my player is rewarded or judged to act another way. Plus again Batman doesn't pad its main missions out nearly as hard as a Rockstar game does. I may be giving Batman too much credit, but I can't think of a stretch in Arkham City that was Batman's response to Mexico from RDR in terms of filler.

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#54 worknow222
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I was going to read but then I saw boobs and realised Boobs are great, everyone gather round hold hands and lets sing about boobs,

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#55 R3FURBISHED
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System Wars has an unhealthy infatuation toward internet whores.
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#56 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] But that's not even remotely true. An Open World game is just a sandbox. Their narrative, their story is as liner and cinematic as the pieces of sh1t you like. They just come off completely oblivious to the concept that their game and story should be something cohesive.

You have a lot more impact on how Planescape plays out, but the story in that game(under the "good for a videogame story umbrella") is better than what the vast majority of linear circle jerks that get praised for the "stories" they tell. So again that's a sh1tty excuse for not delivering. Shoetime shows being lame by the end of their second season doesn't excuse Homeland for falling apart in the second season. It just joins a special group dedicated to f*cking up.

jg4xchamp

It's just what my experiences with games have taught me over the years. Typically pacing and storytelling in linear games >>>>> open world games. Batman Arkham City is the ONE exception, but that's probably because I loved that f*cking game so much that I barely screwed around in it and just went from checkpoint to checkpoint. I was so hooked.

Because you're focusing on the part of that game you should focus on. The main story/mission part. You start judging in how the other characters play, the riddles, and all that sh1t and you either

A: Start questioning their relevance to the plot
B: Let it go because lol superheroes who cares

More importantly I would say there is no major disconnect between plot and game in those games that isn't your typical cutscene and gameplay stuff. Rockstar is almost oblivious to the concept that they have their characters act one way, where as they give environments where my player is rewarded or judged to act another way. Plus again Batman doesn't pad its main missions out nearly as hard as a Rockstar game does. I may be giving Batman too much credit, but I can't think of a stretch in Arkham City that was Batman's response to Mexico from RDR in terms of filler.

The morality system in RDR did seem pretty pointless, atleast what I gathered from it. I only played through the game once but my actions didn't seem to have a noticeable effect on how Marston acted as a character. And the Mexico bit was definitely the weakest part of the game, but overall I thought it was a pretty good story (the final few hours were f*ckin awesome) and loved the game. GTAIV is another story, Couldn't even bring myself to finish the piece of sh*t. So in closing, RDR is all I have to go off of this generation in debating Rockstar's talent. I haven't played LA Noir or the GTAIV spinoffs.

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#57 AcidSoldner
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You have got to be the dumbest mother f*cker on this board Shake.
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#58 Vari3ty
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...And he's back.

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#59 delta3074
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Spec Ops The Line is the only MMS game where I felt the story was actually worth paying attention toBPoole96
Agreed, game has the best storyline for a shooter.
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#60 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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Actually found this funny.

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#61 Master_ShakeXXX
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Anybody here listen to this song? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-pswfTBt78&list=FLewMOkU0tG032ymQcbWshbQ&index=4

I mean actually listen to it? It gets me deep. Real deep. Deeper than when I listened to it in San Andreas.

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#62 LLYNCES
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Black Ops 2 campaign was terrible though.....the graphics were like 6/10 at best, the story was forced down the gamers throat and hard to follow, the campaign lasted like maybe 5-6 hours tops, the RTS elements were absoule garbage and the only thing the game did right was the ending.

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#63 KungfuKitten
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::drools:: I agree, fo sure.

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#64 Master_ShakeXXX
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Anybody here Volbeat fans? Those guys are f*cking amazing.

Here lisen to this sh*t and have your earholes f*ckd -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PVDvOSYA-M&list=FLewMOkU0tG032ymQcbWshbQ&index=26

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#65 cfstar
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story telling bleh.

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#66 Michael0134567
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You have got to be the dumbest mother f*cker on this board Shake.AcidSoldner
God no.
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#67 ultimate-k
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Yet it still needs to catch up to Half-Life 2. And

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#69 Ballroompirate
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Why is Mastershake aloud to make stupid threads?

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#70 drinkerofjuice
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You tried way too hard here. Bad enough that you likely believe what you wrote. You lost me when you say the game's campaign is driven by choice. You make about a handful of choices during the entire campaign, and not all of them are particularly meaningful. I give props for Treyarch, because when it comes to smoke and mirrors, they're the masters. But that's not exactly the best title to hold.
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#71 fueled-system
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This had better be trolling.

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It is, he/she always makes these overreaction threads at least once a month
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#72 bobbetybob
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It's a shame the story itself sucked, but I did enjoy having choices in a short game, meant I could actually be bothered to go back and play it again to see the different endings (and yes that's pretty much all that changes depending on what choices you make is there's about 3 majorly different endings)
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#73 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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[QUOTE="Heirren"]Black Ops 2 has some of the WORST storytelling I have EVER encountered.Master_ShakeXXX

Can't troll me son.

100% serious. It's got some of the worst attempts at acting I've ever seen in a game. The villains, the burning body at the beginning, the little kid--you name it. The games a piece of sht.
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#74 campzor
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all i got from this thread is  hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng. TL;DR version?
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#75 p4s2p0
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Declassified's story is also good.
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#76 speedfreak48t5p
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When I read the title, I was hoping the TC was Shadowmoses.

I'm dissappointed. :(

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#77 DraugenCP
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I have never read a book.Master_ShakeXXX


Cool story, brosef.

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#78 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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HOSEPHINAAAAAAfreedomfreak

YOU STOLE MY LINE!! :evil:

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#79 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]HOSEPHINAAAAAAseanmcloughlin

YOU STOLE MY LINE!! :evil:

WELL, IT SUMS UP BLOPS2 PRETTY WELL :evil:
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#80 DaBrainz
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I spent about 30 min on SP and went to MP and never looked back.
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#81 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]HOSEPHINAAAAAAfreedomfreak

YOU STOLE MY LINE!! :evil:

WELL, IT SUMS UP BLOPS2 PRETTY WELL :evil:

Honestly, that's BLOPS II in a nutshell. Him shouting "HOSEPHINAAAAA" or Woods screaming "MENENDEEEEEZ"

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#82 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

YOU STOLE MY LINE!! :evil:

seanmcloughlin

WELL, IT SUMS UP BLOPS2 PRETTY WELL :evil:

Honestly, that's BLOPS II in a nutshell. Him shouting "HOSEPHINAAAAA" or Woods screaming "MENENDEEEEEZ"

Yeah, pretty much :P
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#83 soiheardyoulike
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yes yes and more yes
The graph a lone gives you an A+ / 5

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#84 Ghost120x
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Best thread I ever read. :lol:
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#85 RyanShazam
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I personally like the Call of Duty campaigns. I think I'm the only person I know who actually plays them.
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#86 EPaul
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Black Ops 2 is the first COD i ever bought, the campaign is that bad it's just those anoying strikeforce missions i hate

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#87 FireEmblem_Man
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Anybody here listen to this song? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-pswfTBt78&list=FLewMOkU0tG032ymQcbWshbQ&index=4

I mean actually listen to it? It gets me deep. Real deep. Deeper than when I listened to it in San Andreas.

Master_ShakeXXX

It's a shame that it sucks, too bad this song is the best song in San Andreas

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#88 Master_ShakeXXX
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I spent about 30 min on SP and went to MP and never looked back.DaBrainz

Have they fixed the MP yet? I couldn't believe how broken it was at launch.

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#89 Heil68
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Thye story was good for a COD game.
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#90 Master_ShakeXXX
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Thye story was good for a COD game. Heil68

Blops 1 had a pretty good story too. I just think the choices added so much more to this one.

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#91 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Black Ops 2 has some of the WORST storytelling I have EVER encountered.Heirren

Can't troll me son.

100% serious. It's got some of the worst attempts at acting I've ever seen in a game. The villains, the burning body at the beginning, the little kid--you name it. The games a piece of sht.

You think Metal Gear Solid has great storytelling. :|
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#92 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] WELL, IT SUMS UP BLOPS2 PRETTY WELL :evil:freedomfreak

Honestly, that's BLOPS II in a nutshell. Him shouting "HOSEPHINAAAAA" or Woods screaming "MENENDEEEEEZ"

Yeah, pretty much :P

WHERE"S RACHEL?! WHERE IS SHE?!

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#93 Sushiglutton
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All books, movies and games are laughably bad at storytelling, so I fail to see the point of even discussing it.
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#94 DarkLink77
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All books, movies and games are laughably bad at storytelling, so I fail to see the point of even discussing it.Sushiglutton

wat

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#95 Sagem28
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I like you Shake.

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#96 PannicAtack
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I don't even know what this thread is about.
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#97 JangoWuzHere
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The story in Black Ops 2 was super dumb. I would say it has the worst Call of Duty story this generation.

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#98 jg4xchamp
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All books, movies are laughably bad at storytelling,.Sushiglutton


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#99 PannicAtack
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All books, movies and games are laughably bad at storytelling, so I fail to see the point of even discussing it.Sushiglutton
So which mediums do you consider good at storytelling? Theatre? Epic poetry?

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#100 Sushiglutton
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]All books, movies and games are laughably bad at storytelling, so I fail to see the point of even discussing it.DarkLink77

wat

Yep when I read/watch/play them I just laugh at how bad they are.