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Valve doesn't nickle and dime you anywhere near as much. -CheeseEater-Guess that's true, but Blizz has always been great with their fanbase, I'm sure the more recent 25$ Mounts etc are Activision's doing. But this is more about making games. Which dev has the most skill in creating top quality timeless, industry standards etc etc. Blizz OWNS 2 genres already if you think about it, MMO and RTS belong to Blizz :P
[QUOTE="-CheeseEater-"]Valve doesn't nickle and dime you anywhere near as much. NubTub_of_WinGuess that's true, but Blizz has always been great with their fanbase, I'm sure the more recent 25$ Mounts etc are Activision's doing. But this is more about making games. Which dev has the most skill in creating top quality timeless, industry standards etc etc. Blizz OWNS 2 genres already if you think about it, MMO and RTS belong to Blizz :P Valve revolutionized the FPS genre, not just with story-telling, but physics and game-play (obviously Half Life, Half Life 2, Portal etc.) Valve set the standard for downloadable content on the PC. Valve set an unprecidented level of support for a game after it's release, without asking for a single extra dollar (Team Fortress 2, Counter Strike Source). Valve, is, as you put it in system wars, 't3h ownage!1!!!' But then again, so is Blizzard in many respects, some of which you have mentioned above. :P I just hope Activision doesn't meddle to greatly in their absolute "profit" focused methods.
Nope imo that title goes to Bioware!DuckyindianaWith all due respect, as much as Bioware owns, they are lightyears behind devs like Blizz and Valve. Bioware games own but they also feel like the same game reskinned over and over again.
How can anyone argue against Blizz being the greatest devs ever? It's not that they just made one amazing franchise, they don't stick to a single genre. Their games REEK of quality, polish, refinement, gaming perfection! Not just from great artstyle and graphics, but the optimization is MAGNIFICENT! The Sound! The Production Values! The Social Aspect! The Story! The Cut Scenes! The online support! And they pull this off EVERY TIME! From RTS's, to MMO's, to RPG's, any time a game is made by Blizz you just know it's going to be AAA quality. Who honestly can is even begin to compete? ___ Noone comes close tbh, Valve? Not even close imo, Valve owns hard, alot because of their work with steam, but they mostly stick to one genre and their games have been feeling like mods these last years, amazing mods, but still... They aren't up to par. Nintendo? Oh please... Nintendo is great and all but their games are much to simple to compete, they are charming and fun and that's great, but these Blizz games push every single category of gaming, not just fun and polish. ___ Warcraft. World of Warcraft. Starcraft. Diablo.NubTub_of_WinYou made me stopped reading after this.Blizzard is great but in my opinion, they're just a regular Gaming Studio.There story is cool but hard to understand....Argonaughts/Nepulats ??? WTF LOL And the graphics arent that great....If you want graphics, Square-Enix,Kojima,and SCE.But your opinion.Dont Start flipping out on me now :)
You made me stopped reading after this.Blizzard is great but in my opinion, they're just a regular Gaming Studio.There story is cool but hard to understand....Argonaughts/Nepulats ??? WTF LOL And the graphics arent that great....If you want graphics, Square-Enix,Kojima,and SCE.But your opinion.Dont Start flipping out on me now :) The graphics are just as good as Crysis of you consider they run on old ass pc's. Real skill in making computer game graphics is optimization, and blizz is first class when it comes to that, they'll make a 2010 game look and play great on old ass pc's that's true skill.[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]How can anyone argue against Blizz being the greatest devs ever? It's not that they just made one amazing franchise, they don't stick to a single genre. Their games REEK of quality, polish, refinement, gaming perfection! Not just from great artstyle and graphics, but the optimization is MAGNIFICENT! The Sound! The Production Values! The Social Aspect! The Story! The Cut Scenes! The online support! And they pull this off EVERY TIME! From RTS's, to MMO's, to RPG's, any time a game is made by Blizz you just know it's going to be AAA quality. Who honestly can is even begin to compete? ___ Noone comes close tbh, Valve? Not even close imo, Valve owns hard, alot because of their work with steam, but they mostly stick to one genre and their games have been feeling like mods these last years, amazing mods, but still... They aren't up to par. Nintendo? Oh please... Nintendo is great and all but their games are much to simple to compete, they are charming and fun and that's great, but these Blizz games push every single category of gaming, not just fun and polish. ___ Warcraft. World of Warcraft. Starcraft. Diablo.AznKSor
[QUOTE="AznKSor"]You made me stopped reading after this.Blizzard is great but in my opinion, they're just a regular Gaming Studio.There story is cool but hard to understand....Argonaughts/Nepulats ??? WTF LOL And the graphics arent that great....If you want graphics, Square-Enix,Kojima,and SCE.But your opinion.Dont Start flipping out on me now :) The graphics are just as good as Crysis of you consider they run on old ass pc's. Real skill in making computer game graphics is optimization, and blizz is first class when it comes to that, they'll make a 2010 game look and play great on old ass pc's that's true skill. Yah,im still with Crytek.[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]How can anyone argue against Blizz being the greatest devs ever? It's not that they just made one amazing franchise, they don't stick to a single genre. Their games REEK of quality, polish, refinement, gaming perfection! Not just from great artstyle and graphics, but the optimization is MAGNIFICENT! The Sound! The Production Values! The Social Aspect! The Story! The Cut Scenes! The online support! And they pull this off EVERY TIME! From RTS's, to MMO's, to RPG's, any time a game is made by Blizz you just know it's going to be AAA quality. Who honestly can is even begin to compete? ___ Noone comes close tbh, Valve? Not even close imo, Valve owns hard, alot because of their work with steam, but they mostly stick to one genre and their games have been feeling like mods these last years, amazing mods, but still... They aren't up to par. Nintendo? Oh please... Nintendo is great and all but their games are much to simple to compete, they are charming and fun and that's great, but these Blizz games push every single category of gaming, not just fun and polish. ___ Warcraft. World of Warcraft. Starcraft. Diablo.NubTub_of_Win
yeah... no. that title goes to NintendoSilenthpsThat's insulting imo. Nintendo make a killing off nostalgia, they get free passes in graphics, story, sound, online, production values... If it were any other dev in the world they'd either get knocked for those things, or they simply wouldn't get as much praise.
[QUOTE="AznKSor"]You made me stopped reading after this.Blizzard is great but in my opinion, they're just a regular Gaming Studio.There story is cool but hard to understand....Argonaughts/Nepulats ??? WTF LOL And the graphics arent that great....If you want graphics, Square-Enix,Kojima,and SCE.But your opinion.Dont Start flipping out on me now :) The graphics are just as good as Crysis of you consider they run on old ass pc's. Real skill in making computer game graphics is optimization, and blizz is first class when it comes to that, they'll make a 2010 game look and play great on old ass pc's that's true skill.[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]How can anyone argue against Blizz being the greatest devs ever? It's not that they just made one amazing franchise, they don't stick to a single genre. Their games REEK of quality, polish, refinement, gaming perfection! Not just from great artstyle and graphics, but the optimization is MAGNIFICENT! The Sound! The Production Values! The Social Aspect! The Story! The Cut Scenes! The online support! And they pull this off EVERY TIME! From RTS's, to MMO's, to RPG's, any time a game is made by Blizz you just know it's going to be AAA quality. Who honestly can is even begin to compete? ___ Noone comes close tbh, Valve? Not even close imo, Valve owns hard, alot because of their work with steam, but they mostly stick to one genre and their games have been feeling like mods these last years, amazing mods, but still... They aren't up to par. Nintendo? Oh please... Nintendo is great and all but their games are much to simple to compete, they are charming and fun and that's great, but these Blizz games push every single category of gaming, not just fun and polish. ___ Warcraft. World of Warcraft. Starcraft. Diablo.NubTub_of_Win
Yea well, come to think of it. Doom graphics are as good as Crysis if you consider it runs on old PCs..
The graphics are just as good as Crysis of you consider they run on old ass pc's. Real skill in making computer game graphics is optimization, and blizz is first class when it comes to that, they'll make a 2010 game look and play great on old ass pc's that's true skill.[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="AznKSor"] You made me stopped reading after this.Blizzard is great but in my opinion, they're just a regular Gaming Studio.There story is cool but hard to understand....Argonaughts/Nepulats ??? WTF LOL And the graphics arent that great....If you want graphics, Square-Enix,Kojima,and SCE.But your opinion.Dont Start flipping out on me now :)
coreybg
Yea well, come to think of it. Doom graphics are as good as Crysis if you consider it runs on old PCs..
Reading comprehension fail. Blizz makes games look GREAT and run GREAT on old PC's... Crysis runs and looks like crap on old PC's... It's hardly skill to make a game and just use up all the ram and graphics card power, the real "deving" skill is with optimization... You just proved you not a PC gamer otherwise you'd understand perfectly what I was talking about.[QUOTE="Silenthps"]yeah... no. that title goes to NintendoNubTub_of_WinThat's insulting imo. Nintendo make a killing off nostalgia, they get free passes in graphics, story, sound, online, production values... If it were any other dev in the world they'd either get knocked for those things, or they simply wouldn't get as much praise. So does Blizzard. They make MMO's and remakes of 10 year old games with barely better graphics and same gameplay.
I'm not sure what that has to do with the point I made. But. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuKwiM5sUiY&hd=1 That looks pretty damn amazing for an MMO that's like over 5 years old and runs on ancient laptops even... Some of the textures and effects are pretty damn awesome, the optimization is insanely good. Remember this is an MMO, servers with 15k people, in a persistent world, no loadings from zone to zone etc.. It isn't a SP game.Well i really never saw a Video of WOW on a fast and new PC.So if you have a video,and its really graphical i'll take back wat i said. :roll:
AznKSor
[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]yeah... no. that title goes to NintendoParasomniacThat's insulting imo. Nintendo make a killing off nostalgia, they get free passes in graphics, story, sound, online, production values... If it were any other dev in the world they'd either get knocked for those things, or they simply wouldn't get as much praise. So does Blizzard. They make MMO's and remakes of 10 year old games with barely better graphics and same gameplay. Cough*Cough Valve*Cough.
[QUOTE="AznKSor"]I'm not sure what that has to do with the point I made. But. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuKwiM5sUiY&hd=1 That looks pretty damn amazing for an MMO that's like over 5 years old and runs on ancient laptops even... Some of the textures and effects are pretty damn awesome, the optimization is insanely good. Remember this is an MMO, servers with 15k people, in a persistent world, no loadings from zone to zone etc.. It isn't a SP game. Well we were talking about graphics O.oWell i really never saw a Video of WOW on a fast and new PC.So if you have a video,and its really graphical i'll take back wat i said. :roll:
NubTub_of_Win
[QUOTE="coreybg"][QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"] The graphics are just as good as Crysis of you consider they run on old ass pc's. Real skill in making computer game graphics is optimization, and blizz is first class when it comes to that, they'll make a 2010 game look and play great on old ass pc's that's true skill.NubTub_of_Win
Yea well, come to think of it. Doom graphics are as good as Crysis if you consider it runs on old PCs..
Reading comprehension fail. Blizz makes games look GREAT and run GREAT on old PC's... Crysis runs and looks like crap on old PC's... It's hardly skill to make a game and just use up all the ram and graphics card power, the real "deving" skill is with optimization... You just proved you not a PC gamer otherwise you'd understand perfectly what I was talking about.I'm not a PC gamer? Coming from the guy who said blizzard are the best developers?
How did you figure that out?
[QUOTE="Silenthps"]yeah... no. that title goes to NintendoNubTub_of_WinThat's insulting imo. Nintendo make a killing off nostalgia, they get free passes in graphics, story, sound, online, production values... If it were any other dev in the world they'd either get knocked for those things, or they simply wouldn't get as much praise. Yeah they've also made more AAAA's than any other company, more AAA's than any other company. Gotten more GOTY's than any other company. And Made more industry changing games than any other company. And the difference isn't just marginal like it is between Blizzard and Valve. Nintendo has a vastly superior library than Blizzard.
I'm not sure what that has to do with the point I made. But. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuKwiM5sUiY&hd=1 That looks pretty damn amazing for an MMO that's like over 5 years old and runs on ancient laptops even... Some of the textures and effects are pretty damn awesome, the optimization is insanely good. Remember this is an MMO, servers with 15k people, in a persistent world, no loadings from zone to zone etc.. It isn't a SP game. Well we were talking about graphics O.o Ya but I was talking about optimization, not graphical peaks on high end machines.[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="AznKSor"]
Well i really never saw a Video of WOW on a fast and new PC.So if you have a video,and its really graphical i'll take back wat i said. :roll:
AznKSor
:lol: :lol: :lol:
It's not about which dev has made the most variety of games, it's about which dev has made the bestgames.
And there, both Valve and Nintendo have Blizzard beat.
Of the games you mentioned in the OP, the highest rated was World of Warcraft with a press score of 93 on Gamestats.
Valve easily beats that with HL2, and Nintendo CRUSHES it with the best rated game of all time.
And both of those devs have better games still.
Major facepalm, ratings don't work that way... You can't take a review rating number from one year and put it against a game in a diferent genre from another year and say it's better :?:lol: :lol: :lol:
It's not about which dev has made the most variety of games, it's about which dev has made the bestgames.
And there, both Valve and Nintendo have Blizzard beat.
Of the games you mentioned in the OP, the highest rated was World of Warcraft with a press score of 93 on Gamestats.
Valve easily beats that with HL2, and Nintendo CRUSHES it with the best rated game of all time.
And both of those devs have better games still.
Head_of_games
[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]Major facepalm, ratings don't work that way... You can't take a review rating number from one year and put it against a game in a diferent genre from another year and say it's better :?:lol: :lol: :lol:
It's not about which dev has made the most variety of games, it's about which dev has made the bestgames.
And there, both Valve and Nintendo have Blizzard beat.
Of the games you mentioned in the OP, the highest rated was World of Warcraft with a press score of 93 on Gamestats.
Valve easily beats that with HL2, and Nintendo CRUSHES it with the best rated game of all time.
And both of those devs have better games still.
NubTub_of_Win
Ok, so a game has to be as old or younger than Warcraft for it's higher review score to be valid?
Well Half Life 2 was released in the same year as WoW, and among other things Nintendo has Super Mario Galaxy 2.
And no, they do not have to be the same genre. Half Life 2 is a better FPS than WoW is an MMO. Simple as that.
Using Ocarina of Time is kind of a stilted example; it existed when we have only a fraction of review media we do today, and has it's average raised by the official and unofficial Nintendo only publications. Not to mention the pitfalls in comparing across 12 years in widely different genres on different systems.:lol: :lol: :lol:
It's not about which dev has made the most variety of games, it's about which dev has made the bestgames.
And there, both Valve and Nintendo have Blizzard beat.
Of the games you mentioned in the OP, the highest rated was World of Warcraft with a press score of 93 on Gamestats.
Valve easily beats that with HL2, and Nintendo CRUSHES it with the best rated game of all time.
And both of those devs have better games still.
Head_of_games
[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]Major facepalm, ratings don't work that way... You can't take a review rating number from one year and put it against a game in a diferent genre from another year and say it's better :?:lol: :lol: :lol:
It's not about which dev has made the most variety of games, it's about which dev has made the bestgames.
And there, both Valve and Nintendo have Blizzard beat.
Of the games you mentioned in the OP, the highest rated was World of Warcraft with a press score of 93 on Gamestats.
Valve easily beats that with HL2, and Nintendo CRUSHES it with the best rated game of all time.
And both of those devs have better games still.
NubTub_of_Win
People actually believe in this?....i for one surely lol'd
It's a matter of opinion and taste. I don't really enjoy the games that Blizzard releases. I've always enjoy Nintendo's released most, so I could argue that they are best developers on the planet.
[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]yeah... no. that title goes to NintendoParasomniacThat's insulting imo. Nintendo make a killing off nostalgia, they get free passes in graphics, story, sound, online, production values... If it were any other dev in the world they'd either get knocked for those things, or they simply wouldn't get as much praise. So does Blizzard. They make MMO's and remakes of 10 year old games with barely better graphics and same gameplay.
This.
While a great developer and they make good quality products, Blizzard does the same thing as Nintendo; relying on key franchises to keep re-releasing to the hardcore fanboys.
Blizzard owns the RTS genre? HAHAHAH No they dont. SC 2 may get more sales, but their are plenty of better RTS games out there.
Rockstar has made a lot more AAA games than BlizzardParasomniac
Rockstar is My Favorite Dev!
But I do Love me some Diablo 2!
So does Blizzard. They make MMO's and remakes of 10 year old games with barely better graphics and same gameplay.[QUOTE="Parasomniac"][QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"] That's insulting imo. Nintendo make a killing off nostalgia, they get free passes in graphics, story, sound, online, production values... If it were any other dev in the world they'd either get knocked for those things, or they simply wouldn't get as much praise. svaubel
This.
While a great developer and they make good quality products, Blizzard does the same thing as Nintendo; relying on key franchises to keep re-releasing to the hardcore fanboys.
Sorry, that's a cop out. Blizzard do not re-use their franchises to anywhere near the same extent as Nintendo do. There has only been 2 Starcrafts. There's been 8 Mario Party's.[QUOTE="svaubel"][QUOTE="Parasomniac"] So does Blizzard. They make MMO's and remakes of 10 year old games with barely better graphics and same gameplay.Danm_999
This.
While a great developer and they make good quality products, Blizzard does the same thing as Nintendo; relying on key franchises to keep re-releasing to the hardcore fanboys.
Sorry, that's a cop out. Blizzard do not re-use their franchises to anywhere near the same extent as Nintendo do. There has only been 2 Starcrafts. There's been 8 Mario Party's.And 4 Warcrafts and 3 world of warcrafts with a 4th one on the way.
Does anyone here remember an old Blizzard game called 'BlackThorne'? I want a sequal, it was awesome.
Sorry, that's a cop out. Blizzard do not re-use their franchises to anywhere near the same extent as Nintendo do. There has only been 2 Starcrafts. There's been 8 Mario Party's.[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="svaubel"]
This.
While a great developer and they make good quality products, Blizzard does the same thing as Nintendo; relying on key franchises to keep re-releasing to the hardcore fanboys.
coreybg
And 4 Warcrafts and 3 world of warcrafts with a 4th one on the way.
Blizzard has stated Warcraft 4 is YEARS away. Even if it comes out in 2013, that'll be 19 years since the first Warcraft, 19 years to make 4.Contrast this with Nintendo. This generation we've already seen two Mario games in the same vein (galaxy), and two Zelda games. The level of repetition is not at all comparable. Nintendo recycle their franchises far, far more frequently, and they have a much lower quality assurance rate than Blizzard.
If they were so good I would still be playing WOW. They don't know wth they are doing any more. They focus way to much on WOW and screwing it up... And less on Diablo 3 which is all we care about more then StarCraft 2.
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