Blizzard. The Greatest Devs on this Planet.

Best not post your opinion in SW, nub tub. Most will get insanely offended by it (perhaps even letting their soul get scarred by it) and proceed to bash you and call you "wrong" on all possible fronts that their high and mighty minds can think of.

Master_ShakeXXX

Best not post your opinion in SW, nub tub. Most will get insanely offended by it (perhaps even letting their soul get scarred by it) and proceed to bash you and call you "wrong" on all possible fronts that their high and mighty minds can think of.

Master_ShakeXXX

I still personally think Nintendo are the greatest developers, but I can agree that Blizzard are one of the greatest.

Blizzard have made a few moves in the last year or so which have concerned me a little, the move for WoW players to battle.net for example was forced for their benefit and if anything it compromised account security, and Im pretty certain the only reason they dropped real id is because that guy posted the blizzard employee's personal details online.

Blizzard owns the RTS genre? HAHAHAH No they dont. SC 2 may get more sales, but their are plenty of better RTS games out there.

RadecSupreme

Like? I'm pretty sure you are going to mention a Relic game while ignoring the fact that CoH has been reduced to a comp stomp fest due to its inherent imbalances, AI issues, and screwy pathing, all the while DoW2 suffers from a lack of depth as well as shotty balance and support from Relic. The added units helped DoW2, but it continues to be flat and only enjoyed by the 3v3 crowd. C&C4 is a train wreck, Red Alert 3 is dead, and Men of War has a funky setup multiplayer wise. If you mention a Total War game, you'd be automatically wrong in doing so.

All in all, Starcraft 2 pretty much offers balance and variety in all fronts. Even if you do not like 1v1, you can find something else more enjoyable, be it team play, FFAs, and custom games. It would accurate to say that more people are playing Blizzard RTS games longer than any other RTS game. I'd say that is pretty much owning the genre.

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Sorry, that's a cop out. Blizzard do not re-use their franchises to anywhere near the same extent as Nintendo do. There has only been 2 Starcrafts. There's been 8 Mario Party's.Danm_999

And 4 Warcrafts and 3 world of warcrafts with a 4th one on the way.

Next time read the whole post.

I said 4 Warcrafts(WC1,2,3,TFT - even though it's an expansion) 3 World of Warcraft(Pre-bc,TBC,Wotlk) and 4th on the way (Cataclysm)

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

Blizzard owns the RTS genre? HAHAHAH No they dont. SC 2 may get more sales, but their are plenty of better RTS games out there.

Redmoonxl2

Like? I'm pretty sure you are going to mention a Relic game while ignoring the fact that CoH has been reduced to a comp stomp fest due to its inherent imbalances, AI issues, and screwy pathing, all the while DoW2 suffers from a lack of depth as well as shotty balance and support from Relic. The added units helped DoW2, but it continues to be flat and only enjoyed by the 3v3 crowd. C&C4 is a train wreck, Red Alert 3 is dead, and Men of War has a funky setup multiplayer wise. If you mention a Total War game, you'd be automatically wrong in doing so.

All in all, Starcraft 2 pretty much offers balance and variety in all fronts. Even if you do not like 1v1, you can find something else more enjoyable, be it team play, FFAs, and custom games. It would accurate to say that more people are playing Blizzard RTS games longer than any other RTS game. I'd say that is pretty much owning the genre.

No, in fact, Total war is funner than SC2. Dawn of war 2 and Chaos rising are better games. This isnt only about balance, I am talking about game quality and CoH is much better than SC 2 in game quality anf fun aspect. Hell, even Dawn of war 1 is a better game and Dawn of war 1 is also better than dawn of war 2. Blizzard only have SC 2 compared to all the RTS Relic have put out inbetween Frozen Throne and release of SC 2. Blizzard make a few and have spent much more time on these games thus have the advantage of time and funding. Relic is a more limited budget from THQ have put out so much better. Homeworld Series was also amazing. Relic are overall better RTS developers than Blizzard considering limited resource and their quality.

gotta love the hypocrisy here. "they don't stick to one genre!" yeah, they stick to two. RPG and RTS. both of which are way too nerdy for my tastes.

gotta love the hypocrisy here. "they don't stick to one genre!" yeah, they stick to two. RPG and RTS. both of which are way too nerdy for my tastes.

lespaul1919

nope, they are good but they take way too long and dont put out nearly enough games, also pay for play is always weak surrealnumber5

There's no such thing as "the greatest dev". lordlors

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]nope, they are good but they take way too long and dont put out nearly enough games, also pay for play is always weak ReaperV7

i really don't ever like to elevate any developer to GREATEST status, I never totally feel comfortable saying that.

there is a lot of talent in the gaming industry, and Blizzard is one of the top, but saying they are leaps and bounds beyond all of the other talent is just plain wrong.

Blizzard is definitely at the top but they share it with others.

No, just.... no There are better RTS', MMO's and RPG's than what they have. And valve is better imoRingx55

huh? WoW is the best MMO out and Warcraft 3 imo is the best RTS...and who has a comparable game to diablo?

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]No, just.... no There are better RTS', MMO's and RPG's than what they have. And valve is better imoEspada12

huh? WoW is the best MMO out and Warcraft 3 imo is the best RTS...and who has a comparable game to diablo?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]No, just.... no There are better RTS', MMO's and RPG's than what they have. And valve is better imoRingx55

huh? WoW is the best MMO out and Warcraft 3 imo is the best RTS...and who has a comparable game to diablo?

it's impossible to say one developement studio is the best unless they make GOTY's in every single genre. while in most cases, each highly regarded studio only makes fantastic games for one certain genre. Valve excels at shooters, Bioware excels at RPGs, Blizzard is a little more diverse with their mastery of the MMO and RTS. but i don't like either genre. so for me, Bioware is the best because RPGs are my favorite type of games.

[QUOTE="Ringx55"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

huh? WoW is the best MMO out and Warcraft 3 imo is the best RTS...and who has a comparable game to diablo?

Ravenchrome

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

And 4 Warcrafts and 3 world of warcrafts with a 4th one on the way.

coreybg

Next time read the whole post.

I said 4 Warcrafts(WC1,2,3,TFT - even though it's an expansion) 3 World of Warcraft(Pre-bc,TBC,Wotlk) and 4th on the way (Cataclysm)

You know what? Even with the Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King, Nintendo has still hit up the Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart and Mario Party franchises more frequently. It's just not a comparison; Blizzard releases a game every 1.5-2 years on average, Nintendo every 6 months.

gotta love the hypocrisy here. "they don't stick to one genre!" yeah, they stick to two. RPG and RTS. both of which are way too nerdy for my tastes.

lespaul1919

You do understand the meaning of hypocrisy, don't you?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]No, just.... no There are better RTS', MMO's and RPG's than what they have. And valve is better imoRingx55

huh? WoW is the best MMO out and Warcraft 3 imo is the best RTS...and who has a comparable game to diablo?

Please by all means tell me a better mmo on the market right now and tell me the ones you have played for a decent period of time. I've played Warhammer, Aion, Age of conan, Eve online, Starwars Galaxies,EQ and EQ2 and none have the content, polish, critical acclaim, popularity and overall fun of WoW, while WOTLK is a dud, it still achieved AAA unlike any other mmo. WoW is the EQ of its time and is still the number 1 mmo on the market.

Secondly are you comparing Titan Quest to diablo? Seriously? Diablo is leagues ahead...

Also AOE2 is a great game but WC3 trumps it imo. This is more opinion so I won't argue with you here, but the point is that blizzard has two of the greatest RTS on the market....

You ask any true MMORPg player and they'll agree it's overrated in every single way and a generic, cookiecutter noobfest. .Ringx55

[QUOTE="Ringx55"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

huh? WoW is the best MMO out and Warcraft 3 imo is the best RTS...and who has a comparable game to diablo?

Espada12

Please by all means tell me a better mmo on the market right now and tell me the ones you have played for a decent period of time. I've played Warhammer, Aion, Age of conan, Eve online, Starwars Galaxies,EQ and EQ2 and none have the content, polish, critical acclaim, popularity and overall fun of WoW, while WOTLK is a dud, it still achieved AAA unlike any other mmo. WoW is the EQ of its time and is still the number 1 mmo on the market.

Secondly are you comparing Titan Quest to diablo? Seriously? Diablo is leagues ahead...

Also AOE2 is a great game but WC3 trumps it imo. This is more opinion so I won't argue with you here, but the point is that blizzard has two of the greatest RTS on the market....

You could argue blizzard, nintendo, and valve. That's it

Like I said in the other thread to Valve, I don't think Blizzard is much different to Valve.

Most of Blizzard's Games are RTSs or MMOs. Not much to go by that. MMOs are alright but how about a FPS from Blizzard? or a decent Platformer? an RPG that doesn't require the Internet? I guess Blizzard is stuck making RTSs and MMOs.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

Blizzard owns the RTS genre? HAHAHAH No they dont. SC 2 may get more sales, but their are plenty of better RTS games out there.

RadecSupreme

Like? I'm pretty sure you are going to mention a Relic game while ignoring the fact that CoH has been reduced to a comp stomp fest due to its inherent imbalances, AI issues, and screwy pathing, all the while DoW2 suffers from a lack of depth as well as shotty balance and support from Relic. The added units helped DoW2, but it continues to be flat and only enjoyed by the 3v3 crowd. C&C4 is a train wreck, Red Alert 3 is dead, and Men of War has a funky setup multiplayer wise. If you mention a Total War game, you'd be automatically wrong in doing so.

All in all, Starcraft 2 pretty much offers balance and variety in all fronts. Even if you do not like 1v1, you can find something else more enjoyable, be it team play, FFAs, and custom games. It would accurate to say that more people are playing Blizzard RTS games longer than any other RTS game. I'd say that is pretty much owning the genre.

No, in fact, Total war is funner than SC2. Dawn of war 2 and Chaos rising are better games. This isnt only about balance, I am talking about game quality and CoH is much better than SC 2 in game quality anf fun aspect. Hell, even Dawn of war 1 is a better game and Dawn of war 1 is also better than dawn of war 2. Blizzard only have SC 2 compared to all the RTS Relic have put out inbetween Frozen Throne and release of SC 2. Blizzard make a few and have spent much more time on these games thus have the advantage of time and funding. Relic is a more limited budget from THQ have put out so much better. Homeworld Series was also amazing. Relic are overall better RTS developers than Blizzard considering limited resource and their quality.

You are just saying one is more fun than the other, not so much why is one better than the other. I'm not going to argue your definition of fun, that would be pointless. However, I already argued why the quality is better in a standard Blizzard RTS than a Relic RTS. Lets face it, no one out-supports Blizzard in their games and that support carries the game further than unique interpretations of a genre, especially when quality is concerned. It has little to do with resources and more to do with devotion.

Like I said in the other thread to Valve, I don't think Blizzard is much different to Valve.

Most of Blizzard's Games are RTSs or MMOs. Not much to go by that. MMOs are alright but how about a FPS from Blizzard? or a decent Platformer? an RPG that doesn't require the Internet? I guess Blizzard is stuck making RTSs and MMOs.

LegatoSkyheart

Diablo doesn't need internet...

RTS, MMO and RPG.. how many devs even have 3 different type of genres they excel in? Infact the criticism you made her can be made for most of the best devs..

I've played all of the oens you listed as well. No MMORPg has stood up to EQ2 so fr, none of them has that difficulty and pure intense epic raid experiences you want. Not to mention great PVP and quests. I'll give WoW the popularity card but in terms of pure RPG it goes to EQ2. EQ2 at launch was pure garbage, it's so much better now. Diablo isn't anything special imo there have been many better RPG's. SC2 so far seems good but it's defiantly not a 10 and same goes to WC3.Ringx55

Wow are you really trying to convince me EQ2 is the best mmo out atm? .... yea no. Your point about diablo.. there are no RPGS better than Diablo for the type of game it is. Please tell me another game that plays like diablo with the same caliber of diablo. There is none...... and lastly I'm not going to argue with you about fun factor in RTS, all I will say is when it comes to PC gaming, SC and Warcraft 3 have pushed competitive MP more than any other RTS.

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]I've played all of the oens you listed as well. No MMORPg has stood up to EQ2 so fr, none of them has that difficulty and pure intense epic raid experiences you want. Not to mention great PVP and quests. I'll give WoW the popularity card but in terms of pure RPG it goes to EQ2. EQ2 at launch was pure garbage, it's so much better now. Diablo isn't anything special imo there have been many better RPG's. SC2 so far seems good but it's defiantly not a 10 and same goes to WC3.Espada12

Wow are you really trying to convince me EQ2 is the best mmo out atm? .... yea no. Your point about diablo.. there are no RPGS better than Diablo for the type of game it is. Please tell me another game that plays like diablo with the same caliber of diablo. There is none...... and lastly I'm not going to argue with you about fun factor in RTS, all I will say is when it comes to PC gaming, SC and Warcraft 3 have pushed competitive MP more than any other RTS.

[QUOTE="Ringx55"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

huh? WoW is the best MMO out and Warcraft 3 imo is the best RTS...and who has a comparable game to diablo?

Espada12

Please by all means tell me a better mmo on the market right now and tell me the ones you have played for a decent period of time. I've played Warhammer, Aion, Age of conan, Eve online, Starwars Galaxies,EQ and EQ2 and none have the content, polish, critical acclaim, popularity and overall fun of WoW, while WOTLK is a dud, it still achieved AAA unlike any other mmo. WoW is the EQ of its time and is still the number 1 mmo on the market.

Secondly are you comparing Titan Quest to diablo? Seriously? Diablo is leagues ahead...

Also AOE2 is a great game but WC3 trumps it imo. This is more opinion so I won't argue with you here, but the point is that blizzard has two of the greatest RTS on the market....

I love blizz and even listed them as someone who might be better than Valve in another thread but certainly there are some developers out there that can give Blizz a run for their money. I don't think one can say that there is a developer out there that is so good that anyone who argues that they aren't the best must be an idiot. Blizz is great, but what about Bioware? What about Valve? These are also amazing companies and I don't think you can really fault anyone for saying that any of those game developers is the best out there.

Not anymore

[QUOTE="Ravenchrome"]

[QUOTE="Ringx55"] WOW is the best MMO.... :lol :lol :lol: . You ask any true MMORPg player and they'll agree it's overrated in every single way and a generic, cookiecutter noobfest. And you think I'm just a WoW hater? I'm playing it right now because my friends will only play it compared to EQ2 >.> AOE2 comes to mind when I think RTS'. Titan Quest comes to mind when thinking diablo. Jack of all trades, master of none imo.positivebalance

[QUOTE="positivebalance"]

[QUOTE="Ravenchrome"] Blizzard, Nintendo Eda, Valve and Rockstar are the best but Rockstar is a bit overrated. Bioware is still no there yet.

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