Bloodborne is everything a modern Zelda game should be

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#101 93BlackHawk93
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@DJ-Lafleur said:

Exploration of Wind Waker + dungeon design of Twilight princess/Skyward Sword + no filler + difficulty of Zelda 1 + combine the combat ideas shown in the last few console Zeldas = Ideal Zelda AFAIK.

In terms of story I've generally been pretty fine with how Zelda has handled them, but I will say it would be cool if they handled the whole voice acting thing like Okami; just make characters talk in some gibberish like voice and just say its the Hylian language or whatever.

Would adore it.

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#102  Edited By Thunderdrone
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@Lucianu said:

Another thing that this franchise needs, besides the obvious that's been stated by champ and chaz is an overhaul to its plot presentation. I don't know if you guys have noticed, but The Legend of Zelda has been using the same way to convey its plot and characters since forever, static text with no flavour of personality to its writing.

lol this is not true at all.

“Those like you… Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero… They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!” - Demise in Skyward Sword

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“My country lay within a vast desert.

When the sun rose into the sky, a burning wind punished my lands, searing the world. And when the moon climbed into the dark of night, a frigid gale pierced our homes. No matter when it came, the wind carried the same thing… Death.

But the winds that blew across the green fields of Hyrule brought something other than suffering and ruin.

I coveted that wind, I suppose.” - Ganondorf Wind Waker

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...As you can see, all of our customers have taken refuge.

It may be my undoing, but I'm the sort of fellow who'll stay at his business through thick and thin. And I continue standing here at the counter hoping one of my favorite customers will appear...

And I wasn't wrong. See? You stepped in. - Bar Owner Final Day, Majora's Mask

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Before I enter the sleep that calls me to the sword, I wish to relay to you words that I recorded many times over the course of our journey.

Many have said them to you thus far, but I now wish to say them for myself...

Thank you, Master .

May we meet again in another life... - Fi Skyward Sword

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This is your idea of bland, favourless writting with no personality?

lol

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#103 Shinobishyguy
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I'm honestly starting to think bloodborne is getting a bit overrated. The combat is the best it's ever been but game is really light on content compared to other souls games, the pvp and co-op seem pretty gimped and the chalice dungeons are a huge missed opportunity

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#104  Edited By Thunderdrone
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The saddest part is that the Souls community is setting itself up for a nasty backlash. One the series doesnt deserve.

Stop dragging down other game series in order to praise the Souls games. Stop asking for completely unrelated and different franchises to be more like Bloodborne. Stop using it as a badge of your good taste and skill.

This kind of pretentious shit does nothing but generate resentment towards the series among people sick of being preached The Word of The Souls Games by fans that act like fucking obsessed cult recruiters or a teenager that touched a tit for the first time and cant shut the **** up about it.

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#105 gamefan67
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Nah I'd rather Zelda take a more Elder Scrolls route with Dragon's Dogma style combat (more arcadey).

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#106 Big_Pecks
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I've never really thought about it, but it would work really well with the Souls formula. However, Zelda's very plot-motivated, and the Souls series doesn't really excel in that. There are other open world franchises and games that do stories better.

In terms of graphics though, YES.

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#107 Lucianu
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@Thunderdrone said:
@Lucianu said:

Another thing that this franchise needs, besides the obvious that's been stated by champ and chaz is an overhaul to its plot presentation. I don't know if you guys have noticed, but The Legend of Zelda has been using the same way to convey its plot and characters since forever, static text with no flavour of personality to its writing.

lol this is not true at all.

“Those like you… Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero… They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!” - Demise in Skyward Sword

-----

“My country lay within a vast desert.

When the sun rose into the sky, a burning wind punished my lands, searing the world. And when the moon climbed into the dark of night, a frigid gale pierced our homes. No matter when it came, the wind carried the same thing… Death.

But the winds that blew across the green fields of Hyrule brought something other than suffering and ruin.

I coveted that wind, I suppose.” - Ganondorf Wind Waker

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...As you can see, all of our customers have taken refuge.

It may be my undoing, but I'm the sort of fellow who'll stay at his business through thick and thin. And I continue standing here at the counter hoping one of my favorite customers will appear...

And I wasn't wrong. See? You stepped in. - Bar Owner Final Day, Majora's Mask

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Before I enter the sleep that calls me to the sword, I wish to relay to you words that I recorded many times over the course of our journey.

Many have said them to you thus far, but I now wish to say them for myself...

Thank you, Master .

May we meet again in another life... - Fi Skyward Sword

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This is your idea of bland, favourless writting with no personality?

lol

I can quote plenty of good lines from movies that i think suck ass, that won't change my general impression on said movies. Same goes for your example here. Exceptions always exist, they don't change my general impression.

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#108 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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Zelda....................a focus on combat? Lol.

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#109 DocSanchez
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@SexyJazzCat: Don't give me a load of passive aggressive bullshit and then tell me to calm myself. Forest villages have been around in gaming since year one. So to say this was a "homage" to re4 is ridiculous. There are no snake heads in re4. There are people with heads that explode into something which moves, but they are tackled completely differently.

This is not a homage, this is a coincidence.

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#110 GrayF0X786
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Bloodborne could use Zeldas dungeons

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#111 Epak_
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@DocSanchez said:

@SexyJazzCat: Don't give me a load of passive aggressive bullshit and then tell me to calm myself. Forest villages have been around in gaming since year one. So to say this was a "homage" to re4 is ridiculous. There are no snake heads in re4. There are people with heads that explode into something which moves, but they are tackled completely differently.

This is not a homage, this is a coincidence.

Bloodborne reminded me of RE4 a lot too. Way too many similarities going on to be just a coincidence, I don't get why you would be offended by that. Because they're not completely original with the setting and enemies the game suffers from it? Stop being a fanboy.

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#112 DocSanchez
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@Epak_: I wasn't offended, I was annoyed by his question. Have you even played it? I said I had. He's accusing me of being a liar.

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#113 Epak_
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@DocSanchez: Fair enough.

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#114  Edited By Shibua
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Zelda is perfection and doesn't need to be like any other game, it's one of the greatest series of games ever made that continue to deliver some of the best and most critically acclaimed games that have shaped the industry

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#115 SexyJazzCat
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@DocSanchez: Please calm down. You take this any further and i will be very close to fearing for my safety. Too many matching variables for it to be a coincidence. You never said you played the game. You sir are the biggest fucking liar I ever had the displeasure of interacting with. I would not shake your hand.

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#116 Krelian-co
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@DocSanchez said:

@Epak_: I wasn't offended, I was annoyed by his question. Have you even played it? I said I had. He's accusing me of being a liar.

calm down and take your pills.

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#117 Alucard_Prime
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I don't know if this is in Bloodborne but I thought the blood stains mechanic was a really cool gameplay feature in Dark Souls, more games should use that. It works perfectly with the game's high difficulty level.

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#118 DocSanchez
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@SexyJazzCat said:

@DocSanchez: Please calm down. You take this any further and i will be very close to fearing for my safety. Too many matching variables for it to be a coincidence. You never said you played the game. You sir are the biggest fucking liar I ever had the displeasure of interacting with. I would not shake your hand.

Prior to our conversation:

@DocSanchez said:

@PurpleMan5000: Misread him. Point still stands. Forest levels have been going since the very start of games. I've been playing RE4 recently and they are in no way similar even.

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#119 SexyJazzCat
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@DocSanchez: Do you just assume I read everyone's comment in a forum?

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#120 DocSanchez
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@SexyJazzCat: I assume you read the one comment I made which you originally replied to, yes.

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#121 SexyJazzCat
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@DocSanchez: I never originally replied to your comment. I replied to someone else and you proceeded to spout your lies to me. Please stop being such a liar.

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#122 DocSanchez
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@SexyJazzCat said:

@DocSanchez: I never originally replied to your comment. I replied to someone else and you proceeded to spout your lies to me. Please stop being such a liar.

Our very first correspondence:

@SexyJazzCat said:

@DocSanchez: Have you even played RE4?

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#123 Capitan_Kid
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@Thunderdrone: Or you could stop being so defensive and bitchy

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#124 DocSanchez
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@SexyJazzCat Stop embarrassing yourself. One minute you call me the biggest liar you've ever seen, next you can't actually point to one single lie I've ever told you. Apologise for it and move on. I'm getting absolutely nothing from our conversation. As for feeling "unsafe", give over. I wouldn't hurt a fly let alone take the effort to actually hunt down someone based on an internet spat. I've never threatened you, I've never lied to you.

It's pathetic. Just move on if you're not man enough to admit you were wrong.

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#125  Edited By DocSanchez
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@Thunderdrone: You're posting this to a person with a link avatar who has a long term affection for the series and a Nintendo focus over the years.

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#126  Edited By SexyJazzCat
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@DocSanchez:

@DocSanchez said:
@SexyJazzCat said:

@Planeforger: The forest levels and the snakeman HAS to be an homage to RE4.

Yeah, because before Nintendo did it forest levels and snakes never happened in games before.

Here's where it all started. And then THIS is the first time i respond to you.

@SexyJazzCat said:

@DocSanchez: Have you even played RE4?

@DocSanchez said:

@SexyJazzCat: I already said I had. WTF are you asking me to repeat myself for?

I completed it on the gamecube you knob.

Here's where you start spouting your dirty lying mouth.

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#127 SexyJazzCat
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@DocSanchez:

Wrong about what? You never told me you played RE4. I've had enough of your filthy. FUCKING. lies.

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#128 DocSanchez
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@SexyJazzCat: How many times have you told ME to calm down? Jesus. I really have wasted so much time with you. I'm done.

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#129 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@DocSanchez said:

@Thunderdrone: You're posting this to a person with a link avatar who has a long term affection for the series and a Nintendo focus over the years.

This is referring to me, right?

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#130 SexyJazzCat
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@DocSanchez: Plenty. You clearly have anger problems.

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#131 JohnF111
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What's Zelda?

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#132  Edited By Epak_
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@Krelian-co: Learn to quote lolz.

Edit: seems like I made the same mistake lolz, forget it :P

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#133  Edited By playharderfool
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I get the feeling most people didn't even read the OP before replying.

I came in ready to say no, but after reading his points I see where he is coming from. Other than that, it's funny to see how many people who obviously never played Bloodborne have come in a rage to tell people how Charizard has no points and saying things like Dark Souls 1 is better at the things he mentioned.

I can see that many of the posters disagreeing have only played Dark Souls and think that have merit to speak on this topic and interchange it with Bloodborne as if they are the same or some non-sense when Demon's Souls is the game it is orchestrated from and aside from fast gameplay has all the elements he mentioned even better form than Bloodborne, but, Dark Souls not close. .

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#134  Edited By jhcho2
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@playharderfool said:

I get the feeling most people didn't even read the OP before replying.

I came in ready to say no, but after reading his points I see where he is coming from. Other than that, it's funny to see how many people who obviously never played Bloodborne have come in a rage to tell people how Charizard has no points and saying things like Dark Souls 1 is better at the things he mentioned.

I can see that many of the posters disagreeing have only played Dark Souls and think that have merit to speak on this topic and interchange it with Bloodborne as if they are the same or some non-sense when Demon's Souls is the game it is orchestrated from and aside from fast gameplay has all the elements he mentioned even better form than Bloodborne, but, Dark Souls not close. .

Nobody has to really read his whole post. The point here is that the Souls games, be it BB or not, are what many 3rd person action rpgs 'should' be - that's the kind of feeling well designed games end up giving. So it doesn't have to be Zelda. In many ways, there are at least 2 or 3 things that the Elder Scrolls could really borrow from BB as well. So making a thread comparing a 3rd person game to any Souls games tend to give it a 'no brainer' vibe. That's like saying "Resident Evil should really be more like The Last of Us". You can't help but just say "Of course it does"....even before finishing the whole post

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#135  Edited By DocSanchez
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@charizard1605: Yep, and it wasn't a criticism. I think your OP was fair, and wasn't an attack on zelda at all. I think Bloodborne does a lot right, there have been certain challenges when going to 3D that have rarely been excelled. Look at the tightness and combat of castlevania 2D vs 3D.

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#136 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@DocSanchez: Absolutely, I agree haha. I just was curious (mostly because I had forgotten I had a Link avy right until you made that post...)

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@charizard1605 said:
@Kaze_no_Mirai said:

I don't see how making it open world makes it like Bloodborne. The combat in the Souls game is awful with Bloodborne barely bein ok. Honestly everything you said can be said about any open world game. So yes I agree with some stuff said but I wouldn't call that "like Bloodborne " not without the difficulty art tone and atmosphere. All of which I don't want in Zelda

Say what?

Now I don't believe the combat is awful, but the only reason its memorable is its difficulty or chance of dying. Its not like Ninja Gaiden or Bayonetta which are memorable because of the speed and combinations you will need to master, or how badass they look. These Souls games combat isn't as fun as those games imo. But the challenge of the game is what makes the game fun. I remember beating Father Gasciogne but I don't know with what strike. I still remember beating the final boss in NG with an Izuna drop.

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#138 Fairmonkey
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I love Zelda, Dark Souls, and Bloodborne but i disagree about Bloodborne being more dense than Dark Souls. The lack of varying playstyles, loot, environment variety, and linearity compared to DS makes Bloodborne less replayable in my opinion. I think Zelda is fine the way it is but they would be awesome if they included a harder difficulty similar to Dark Souls or included different weapons/loot

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#139 jg4xchamp
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@jhcho2 said:

"Resident Evil should really be more like The Last of Us". You can't help but just say "Of course it does"....even before finishing the whole post

No it really doesn't, at all.

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#140 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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All pointless comparisons aside, TLOU was legit

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#141  Edited By silversix_
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@shibua said:

Zelda is perfection and doesn't need to be like any other game, it's one of the greatest series of games ever made that continue to deliver some of the best and most critically acclaimed games that have shaped the industry

Do people truly believe this bs in 2015? Games long surpassed Zelda in pretty much all departments. I know they're trying to do new things in this Zelda but its just bigger, bigger like SoC, completely pointless emptyness for you to travel on the back of your horse. Don't think this one will be any better than Twilight Princess (other than art style).

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#142 Shibua
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@silversix_:

Zelda is GOD in the Videogames industry all other games kneel before its greatness, chanting

We're not worthy

We're not worthy

We're not worthy

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#143 locopatho
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@charizard1605:

Game of the Generation, dontcha know :p

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@locopatho said:

@charizard1605:

Game of the Generation, dontcha know :p

Nah, man. Just a very good game is all :P

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#145  Edited By inb4uall
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@Shinobishyguy said:

I'm honestly starting to think bloodborne is getting a bit overrated. The combat is the best it's ever been but game is really light on content compared to other souls games, the pvp and co-op seem pretty gimped and the chalice dungeons are a huge missed opportunity

Its all cows have to brag about besides marginally more powerful hardware and sales. What do you expect?