Bloodborne vs Halo 5's Guardians

It seems like you may have missed my point. At the risk of being redundant, I'll repost it and clarify any possible questions.

My first sentence:

"We are still in the honeymoon period for one of the titles in question."

That means I already acknowledged Bloodborne's honeymoon phase is over (good or bad, I did not say, but I did state it's over). We are out of the Bloodborne honeymoon phase and we are still in the Halo 5 honeymoon phase. I'm not sure why you wanted to talk about Bloodborne's honeymoon phase since I already said it went through the phase.

The best comparison is after the dust settles for both titles, not just one title.

I'm not sure how you misconstrued my point, but there it is again.

A side note. A legendary and longstanding franchise like Halo was always going to outsell a new IP like Bloodborne, but I was never talking about sales, because that would be foolhardy. I also am not a fan of using one region sales of a product to demonstrate much of anything, but again, I never brought up sales so moving on...

When talking Halo's longevity, again I was quite clear about Halo 4's community abandoning ship after a few months. Yes, there were Halo 4 players, but in comparison to previous Halos the drop off was huge. I was a high ranking General in Halo 4's online and the drop off was quite notable after months. Halo 4 in my sentence was being compared to previous Halo games. We have no idea how Halo 5 will be received until the honeymoon phase is over.

I remember when this same excitement and HYPE in SW when Halo 4 released in 2012. I'm seeing the same people doing the same things today for Halo 5, but the reality good or bad hasn't set in yet. I don't believe anything anyone posts good or bad yet...it's too early and there are trolls and fans on both sides. Trolling the game without playing it or damage control kids. Either way, I saw and lived through this phenomena before with Halo 4. Time will sort it all out. I need to get you up to speed since you must have missed the hooplah here back then. The energy levels and passion for 343's Halo 4 were incredibly high on the internet and especially here in SW. Again, just like Halo 5, not many people here were talking about the flaws of Halo 4 just yet. The ones that were people questioned as possibly trolling, and it took time to get a real general consensus about how HALO 4 stacked up against previous Halo's. The impact of Halo 4. That took time and then the numbers came in:

Example using Halo 4:

You can see the dropoff after Xmas for 343's first game Halo 4.

We'll have to see how 343's latest Halo 5 fares by comparison since it's only November and Xmas isn't here, and the following year of 2016 will be truly revealing on Halo 5's legacy and impact on the gamers and the industry. Here's a thread if you are interested in a breakdown of the Halo 4 first year timeline that got talked about A LOT in SW back in 2013.

My entire point is that one game has a lot of HYPE and enthusiasm surrounding iHalo 5 since it's brand new and just released. Anytime, especially in SW, when comparing a popular new game to some game from nearly a year ago, people vote with the new game...but that is never the fair way to approach the games. Every time without fail and it's seriously silly thing to do, and yet we keep seeing these kinds of threads doing it year after year.

Looking back at both after enough time has passed is the best way. Much of the HYPE is by new players still uncovering if they like the game or not, and also by people that don't have the game yet but want it/plan to get it for Xmas. Truly, when everyone gets their copy and has plenty of time with it, retrospect is the best way to compare these two games fairly (although honestly, comparing these two games is quite silly).

If it were 1080p, but my high blood refuses to descend to that tier....

Just get it on the goddamn PS4

True, if Gamespot was sane, but it's not.

@spitfire-six: Hell yeah. The DLC comes out in 22 days!

I think you are the one that misconstrued the point here. I simply asked how we were defining the end of the honeymoon period and what signifies passing or failing the "true test of longevity." Is it sales, user base, or how the title performs compared to it's predecessors? I think my question was answered by the chart you posted about the decline is Halo 4 players over time. That brings up a few more questions then.

1 - Does a title that is launched outside of the Holiday window have a disadvantage? If a game is still in it's "honeymoon period" when GOTY voting occurs, is it fair?

2 - Why will Halo 5's user base 3-5 months from now (2016) have any effect on it's standing as a GOTY 2015 contender? That is what the thread is about is it not? TC asked "which one is more likely to win GOTY on Gamespot?"

I never directly compared Halo and Bloodborne head to head in sales. Like you said that would be silly. I'm not sure where you got that from my post. What I was getting at was Bloodborne may not have passed the "true test of longevity," if sales was the standard. But user base is your standard so that may not be the case.

Your, "I need to get you up to speed" jab was silly since I've been here longer than you and am well aware of the antics in SW. You act as if I was bad mouthing Bloodborne or something. Or like I was damage controlling for Halo? I said in the first sentence of my post that I would have Bloodborne AHEAD of Halo 5 in my top 10 as of right now.

My response to your post was just trying to clear up what your definition of "honeymoon period" was. I was not slamming or defending either game. I just needed to know if we were talking sales, user base or whatever and brought up Bloodbornes sharp decline in sales in the case that was your definition. You cleared it up in your response though.

1 - It may not be fair, and probably is not fair...just like the Oscars. I've already said that years ago many times in SW. That's always been my stance though...which you should know had you been here a long time. To some users, I have said the same thing for years (and they sometiems let me know it as they are annoyed I respond to newer accounts), but to newer users, they have me repeat myself from years past. In this case, what I spoke about when Halo 4 was new or my stance on how GOTYs are chosen. Besides my memory for users, I can tell how people post and when they ask me questions I've answered many times in the years past as newer accounts. You and I, we didn't discuss Halo 4 in SW nor did we discuss much of anything from last generation in SW due to your absence in SW.

Remember too, this thread was created when Halo 5 was 2-3 days old. My post was on page one that we are talking about three days later.

2 - You narrowed the field of my post and I responded to your narrowed post, but I already talked about GOTY in my original post:

Not much worth discussing here, which is why I was surprised you quoted me. It seemed peculiar but I did indulge you. Again, I type fast. I also covered numbers. I stated clearly that GOTY could be NEITHER GAME. I would never make sales a standard for anything since we are talking Quality and GOTY status. I'm not sure why you keep using sales as any standard for anything regarding quality. I'm guessing you thought I was talking about sales for some strange reason although I never brought up sales or NPD, something you did, but I think that's cleared up now. I think that Halo 5 won't break from the Honeymoon period until early to mid 2016, but by then a GOTY contender will be chosen. GOTY will be chosen before Halo 5's period is over, but at least by that time Halo 5 will be a few months old. It may not be fair, but it's more fair than comparing the two games RIGHT NOW.

I never took a jab, clearly posting Halo 4 graph helped you understand my point, hence you were then up to speed as to my meaning. TBH, which you would have known that Halo 4 graph had you been in SW at that time since it was discussed for over a year and many times.

Also, you have not been in SW longer than me. Generating an account and being a SW vet are very different things. You did create a GS account before I did, but you haven't been a SW vet. I created my account FOR SW and I was lurking before I finally bit the bullet a year later. You joined SW far more recently, although you may have dabbled with a post here or there, I actually am a SW historian and I can tell you loads and loads of drama and SW stuff that you missed because you weren't here in SW. You did however have a GS account obviously. You maybe understand the antics of SW, but you are not a SW veteran, and you completely missed tons of SW history and drama, which I could probably write a novelette on. I know 98% of every user on SW and if you want, click on my account and look at how many followers and people I met just via SW mostly. You could look at the post count, although I lost about 15,000 posts when the unions (including the SW specific unions) went up in flames. It's insane. Although you have a dated account for sure, I'm surprised to see you think you've been a SW vet as long as I have, you can't possibly believe that. With everything I know and the people I know and the drama...you weren't here. Then there is the time in SW I put in every year. There are a few of us actual SW vets here, and none of us knew who you were until more recently. I wish we had the old GS layout, and I would be able to tell you your first post and where it was...I do know joined SW much later that I did (my entire purpose was for SW since day one of my account). I'm not knocking you as you are now a regular SW fixture, but you were not part of the SW landscape during my tenure from the PS2/GC/Xbox era nor were you a fixture in the majority of the 360/Wii/PS3 era (you came in at the tale end of that era and current gen). There is a clear cut difference between being a SW vet and SW fixture and throwing a post out in an article section, SW, or GS parts unknown. I'm just defending what we both should know about ourselves. The same way you see new people in SW pop up today, that's how I see it but for a much longer period of time and I have the battle scars to prove it.

You act as if I was badmouthing Halo 5 or defending Bloodborne or something. I'm doing neither. Read my initial post again now that you have more information. I said neither could win, I posted scores and mentioned that it's too early to have this discussion for Halo 5 vs. let's say next month.

The honeymoon period speaks for itself. It's a brand new game, it just released last week. It's been out for less than a week. My entire point was to give the game time. You bringing up Bloodborne or wanting me to define something obvious like comparing a brand new game to an older game. I won't do it man as I can't. Perhaps as long as 6 months, but certainly now is a terrible time. I'm not going to say 3 WEEKS! or TWO DAYS. One game is 6 days old. We can agree it's too early to compare now rather than at least comparing until after Xmas. After Xmas, it will still be enjoying new gamers and it will still be in the honeymoon period, BUT it would be much better to compare then than to compare now when the game is only 6 days old. it is what it is. Again, sales have nothing to do with quality.

Nothing I said was personal. I actually deleted a bunch of SW history and some other stuff that demonstrated my time here. I was a little taken aback by your claim, that's all. I'm not saying I'm the oldest SW vet, but I'm one of the oldest. There are other GS accounts older than me, but they aren't SW vets, they are however GS vets. At the risk of sounding like ego maniac/etc/_____, I was voted King of SW and many other e-titles over the years. I came to know many in SW and I have hundreds of friends across Steam/Xbox/Pllaystation well before this generation. I've played many games with them. Some people created an account on GS earlier than other users, but those users didn't post much in GS or especially SW until years later. You should know that. If you want specifics, please PM as I can talk for says on SW history, or whatever, although much of it will be edited since I don't know you other than to me you are a much newer SW user by comparison to the vets I know and discuss things. A lot of history in this place, for those that care (most don't and see these kinds of posts as ego stroking instead of informative which is why I refrain from this usually).