Bloomberg: "PS3 fails to spur demand" "Sony may post loss"

I don't want ms, nintendo or sony out of gaming, these are bad news for everyone.-KinGz-

You bet!!! I love competition... 

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"] 

sony came closer than anyone, i think... with "100 million ps2" against 20 million xbox is pretty uneven... even so, they maintained the level of arrogance that always accompanies such position, mocking MS' xbox live vision, controller, hdd, and games...

now? sony is hurting trying to catch up to MS in those areas..... if sony was a monopoly, we'd still be playing the PS1...

sony was given every opportunity to "try" this generation, but chose to turn their backs on their gamers in favor of movie watchers...

leave the windows arguments out of this or i will bring a TON of sony misbehaving's to your attention...

this is about the ps3. let's leave it here...;)

Kreean

You don't have to tell me about Sony's problems as I'm well aware of them.  Sony is a corporation and therefore I owe zero allegiance or loyalty to them.  In fact, I was using Sony's problems and arrogance regarding the PS3 as evidence of why one company with too much market influence is a bad thing.  Sony and Microsoft are as interchangeable to me as KitchenAid and Whirlpool.   

this is where we differ.  I don't see sony and ms as interchangeable.

the ps was product of a electronics engineer.

the xbox was the product of a team of gamers.  i'll bet you think the xbox was bill's own conception, design and strategy, right? 

i see ms as being different than sony in that they ASKED what gamers want insted of DICTATING what gamers want, as with sony....

XBox a product of gamers? ROFL :lol: ... how old are you?

Yeah, bad Sony. They forced me to play God of War, Shadow of the colossus, ICO, Loco Roco, Singstar, The Legend of Dragoon... they are bad really bad.

More great news GO NINTENDO ... who woulda thought Wii woulda been the death blow :D

I don't want ms, nintendo or sony out of gaming, these are bad news for everyone.-KinGz-

Competition is always a good thing for the consumer.

As much as you people whine and moan.......Sony isn't going any where, it is good water cooler talk but the reality is it is the 2nd largest Corp.....Ericvon71

2nd largest corp where how?

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"]wow boy are you reaching fanboy, sony trying to catch up on MS ? controller, what the hell are you talking about ? is that why MS said 1080p wasnt needed and added it later ? is that why they added the HDMI port, and an HD movie player ? even going so far as to copy the color with elite ? do i relly need to continue my ownage upon you ? better yet i wont even waste any more time on you.

anyways i love how people are claiming owange on this, and it was posted on here already BTW last night. but not only is it speculation, cus sony hasnt posted anything yet, and console generations dont last one quarter. good thing sony just broke all previous records with spiderman 3 right ? and the movie is on a faster pace than 1 and 2 ;) also sony is taking a lot of cost cutting measures with the removial of the ps2 chips, cheaper ps3 chips, cheaper diodes, cheaper manufacturing, etc. so they wont be losing as much on each ps3 if anything at all come a few months. and also dont these losses take account the bluray losses and not just gaming ? of course a new medium will take losses at first but bluray  will kill hd dvd and spiderman 3 might do that single handedly come this fall ;)Chris-Hansen

Using a movie as proof to bail the PS3? Talk about grasping. Anyone with even a minor knowledge of the industry will tell you the only reason this pile of garbage is making money is because it had high anticipation followed by no competition. Do you honostly think it's going to outpace 1 and 2 when Shrek the Third and Pirates: At Worlds End are released? The movie has already dropped 60% after 1 week. I doubt DVD sales will help that much.

 Getting back on topic, as much as watching Sony fail would be entertaining from being around since last gen, total control from 1 company would provide low quality products. If you don't beleive me look at wrestling after McMahon bought out WCW and ECW...

They lost 630 million as a company last quarter that's with Spider Man coming out and all.  They lost over a Billion on their gaming devision.

I don't care what company you are you can't last long when your loosing 630 million dollars every 3 months.

[QUOTE="Ericvon71"]As much as you people whine and moan.......Sony isn't going any where, it is good water cooler talk but the reality is it is the 2nd largest Corp.....Firelore29

2nd largest corp where how?

I think there are a few oil companies who make in a month what Sony makes in a year.

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"]wow boy are you reaching fanboy, sony trying to catch up on MS ? controller, what the hell are you talking about ? is that why MS said 1080p wasnt needed and added it later ? is that why they added the HDMI port, and an HD movie player ? even going so far as to copy the color with elite ? do i relly need to continue my ownage upon you ? better yet i wont even waste any more time on you.

anyways i love how people are claiming owange on this, and it was posted on here already BTW last night. but not only is it speculation, cus sony hasnt posted anything yet, and console generations dont last one quarter. good thing sony just broke all previous records with spiderman 3 right ? and the movie is on a faster pace than 1 and 2 ;) also sony is taking a lot of cost cutting measures with the removial of the ps2 chips, cheaper ps3 chips, cheaper diodes, cheaper manufacturing, etc. so they wont be losing as much on each ps3 if anything at all come a few months. and also dont these losses take account the bluray losses and not just gaming ? of course a new medium will take losses at first but bluray will kill hd dvd and spiderman 3 might do that single handedly come this fall ;)Firelore29

Using a movie as proof to bail the PS3? Talk about grasping. Anyone with even a minor knowledge of the industry will tell you the only reason this pile of garbage is making money is because it had high anticipation followed by no competition. Do you honostly think it's going to outpace 1 and 2 when Shrek the Third and Pirates: At Worlds End are released? The movie has already dropped 60% after 1 week. I doubt DVD sales will help that much.

Getting back on topic, as much as watching Sony fail would be entertaining from being around since last gen, total control from 1 company would provide low quality products. If you don't beleive me look at wrestling after McMahon bought out WCW and ECW...

They lost 630 million as a company last quarter that's with Spider Man coming out and all. They lost over a Billion on their gaming devision.

I don't care what company you are you can't last long when your loosing 630 million dollars every 3 months.

And so much for the "Wait until a price cut" argument.

[QUOTE="-KinGz-"]I don't want ms, nintendo or sony out of gaming, these are bad news for everyone.DaysAirlines

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]

This would be an absolute disaster for Sony if they had to scrap the PS3.

Ontain

they won't scrap it. they'll probably just fire a lot of ppl like they always do.

Agreed

This is what happens when you put all of your eggs into one basket... and expect humpty-dumpty to take care of it.

Now at the upcoming Sony party, they are going to attempt to shift their focus back on the PS2 and PSP. A little too late...

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

[QUOTE="Chris-Hansen"]wow boy are you reaching fanboy, sony trying to catch up on MS ? controller, what the hell are you talking about ? is that why MS said 1080p wasnt needed and added it later ? is that why they added the HDMI port, and an HD movie player ? even going so far as to copy the color with elite ? do i relly need to continue my ownage upon you ? better yet i wont even waste any more time on you.

anyways i love how people are claiming owange on this, and it was posted on here already BTW last night. but not only is it speculation, cus sony hasnt posted anything yet, and console generations dont last one quarter. good thing sony just broke all previous records with spiderman 3 right ? and the movie is on a faster pace than 1 and 2 ;) also sony is taking a lot of cost cutting measures with the removial of the ps2 chips, cheaper ps3 chips, cheaper diodes, cheaper manufacturing, etc. so they wont be losing as much on each ps3 if anything at all come a few months. and also dont these losses take account the bluray losses and not just gaming ? of course a new medium will take losses at first but bluray  will kill hd dvd and spiderman 3 might do that single handedly come this fall ;)Firelore29

Using a movie as proof to bail the PS3? Talk about grasping. Anyone with even a minor knowledge of the industry will tell you the only reason this pile of garbage is making money is because it had high anticipation followed by no competition. Do you honostly think it's going to outpace 1 and 2 when Shrek the Third and Pirates: At Worlds End are released? The movie has already dropped 60% after 1 week. I doubt DVD sales will help that much.

 Getting back on topic, as much as watching Sony fail would be entertaining from being around since last gen, total control from 1 company would provide low quality products. If you don't beleive me look at wrestling after McMahon bought out WCW and ECW...

They lost 630 million as a company last quarter that's with Spider Man coming out and all.  They lost over a Billion on their gaming devision.

I don't care what company you are you can't last long when your loosing 630 million dollars every 3 months.

 Bu bu bu teh box office records of Spiderman 3 ...

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]

[QUOTE="Ericvon71"]As much as you people whine and moan.......Sony isn't going any where, it is good water cooler talk but the reality is it is the 2nd largest Corp.....jbeen

2nd largest corp where how?

I think there are a few oil companies who make in a month what Sony makes in a year.

Actually I think I'm on target to make more then Sony did this year.  In fact probably everyone in this forum probably is.

[QUOTE="jbeen"][QUOTE="Firelore29"]

[QUOTE="Ericvon71"]As much as you people whine and moan.......Sony isn't going any where, it is good water cooler talk but the reality is it is the 2nd largest Corp.....Firelore29

2nd largest corp where how?

I think there are a few oil companies who make in a month what Sony makes in a year.

Actually I think I'm on target to make more then Sony did this year.  In fact probably everyone in this forum probably is.

I would not go that far, Sony has a lot of profitable divisions under its umbrella, but right now the PS3 is not one of them.

I like how analysts aren't credible around here until its some negative news about PS3.

Lets face it, these analysts don't know **** They study average consumer patterns and the game industry is far from average since one game that looks really nice to a passerby can set off a small boom for a certain console.Tiefster

True. Analysts only analyze existing trends in the market, they do not make any assumptions regarding games that might turn out to be a big hit for the system. Do you think that Bloomberg knows the difference between Spider-Man 3 and Heavenly Sword? Nope. A game is a game in the eyes of the analysts, even though in reality, a few well-placed solid AAA exclusives can be the difference between 3rd and 1st place.

it isnt looking too good for the ps3 at the min!

blu-ray could be the downfall of the ps3.

[QUOTE="Kreean"]XBox a product of gamers? ROFL :lol: ... how old are you?

Yeah, bad Sony. They forced me to play God of War, Shadow of the colossus, ICO, Loco Roco, Singstar, The Legend of Dragoon... they are bad really bad.

DGZeus

For an age of 35, you have a very naive look at companies and their business practices. You should know that all electronic devices are made by engineers and industrial designers. They asked gamers about their thinking? I doubt that! There is only one case where developers seek out gamers and that's for the QA-department, where they are testing games and consoles. Every company, even the "Nemesis" Sony, has such "gamers", and they are all employees that signed NDAs.

MS is renowned for many things... I just want to quote Bill Gates for his "brilliant" statement referring patents: 

"If people had understood how patents would be granted when most of today's ideas were invented and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete standstill today."

"The solution is patenting as much as we can. A future startup with no patents of its own will be forced to pay whatever price the giants choose to impose. That price might be high. Established companies have an interest in excluding future competitors."

[QUOTE="Firelore29"][QUOTE="jbeen"][QUOTE="Firelore29"]

[QUOTE="Ericvon71"]As much as you people whine and moan.......Sony isn't going any where, it is good water cooler talk but the reality is it is the 2nd largest Corp.....jbeen

2nd largest corp where how?

I think there are a few oil companies who make in a month what Sony makes in a year.

Actually I think I'm on target to make more then Sony did this year.  In fact probably everyone in this forum probably is.

I would not go that far, Sony has a lot of profitable divisions under its umbrella, but right now the PS3 is not one of them.

As far as their gaming division goes, anyone here who manages to gain any amount of money will make more than their entire gaming division.

Or, you could just try to lose less than 1,699,999,999.99$.

So, according to this, if I manage to make any amount of money this year, I, at 16, will have outdone people who have spent entire lives making their gaming division for Sony.

I rule.

If Nintendo is out of the gaming industry, there would be no more Nintendo franchises. Nintendo stated if they will stop being a console maker they wouldnt make games anymore. i think it was in wikipedia or some site.lordlors

Really? They would kill Mario, Link, Samus, Kirby, Luigi, Bowser....  THIS IS MADNESS....

Sounds like Sony might drop the PS line up because its bleeding money. Good riddance.JiveT

Your saying you wanted possibly the most success gaming company (in consoles, anyways), to give up and fail? I hope that's not your wish, because if that somehow happened, don't complain in the next 10 years that Microsoft and Nintendo aren't doing something innovative. 

I don't want ms, nintendo or sony out of gaming, these are bad news for everyone.-KinGz-

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="JiveT"]Sounds like Sony might drop the PS line up because its bleeding money. Good riddance.JiveT

Only Sony and Nintendo.

Basically you want only Microsoft meaning they will create a monopoly and those arent good

[QUOTE="DGZeus"][QUOTE="Kreean"]XBox a product of gamers? ROFL :lol: ... how old are you?

Yeah, bad Sony. They forced me to play God of War, Shadow of the colossus, ICO, Loco Roco, Singstar, The Legend of Dragoon... they are bad really bad.

Kreean

For an age of 35, you have a very naive look at companies and their business practices. You should know that all electronic devices are made by engineers and industrial designers. They asked gamers about their thinking? I doubt that! There is only one case where developers seek out gamers and that's for the QA-department, where they are testing games and consoles. Every company, even the "Nemesis" Sony, has such "gamers", and they are all employees that signed NDAs.

MS is renowned for many things... I just want to quote Bill Gates for his "brilliant" statement referring patents: 

"If people had understood how patents would be granted when most of today's ideas were invented and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete standstill today."

"The solution is patenting as much as we can. A future startup with no patents of its own will be forced to pay whatever price the giants choose to impose. That price might be high. Established companies have an interest in excluding future competitors."

[QUOTE="Kreean"][QUOTE="DGZeus"][QUOTE="Kreean"]XBox a product of gamers? ROFL :lol: ... how old are you?

Yeah, bad Sony. They forced me to play God of War, Shadow of the colossus, ICO, Loco Roco, Singstar, The Legend of Dragoon... they are bad really bad.

DGZeus

For an age of 35, you have a very naive look at companies and their business practices. You should know that all electronic devices are made by engineers and industrial designers. They asked gamers about their thinking? I doubt that! There is only one case where developers seek out gamers and that's for the QA-department, where they are testing games and consoles. Every company, even the "Nemesis" Sony, has such "gamers", and they are all employees that signed NDAs.

MS is renowned for many things... I just want to quote Bill Gates for his "brilliant" statement referring patents: 

"If people had understood how patents would be granted when most of today's ideas were invented and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete standstill today."

"The solution is patenting as much as we can. A future startup with no patents of its own will be forced to pay whatever price the giants choose to impose. That price might be high. Established companies have an interest in excluding future competitors."

Well his name is Dean Takahashi you can listen to this interview (from the free www.gamasutra.com podcast)http://cmpmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/gdcradio-net/GAMA/Gama_002.mp3 referring his book on "a true insider's look at the creation of the XBox 360 and Microsoft's multi-billion dollar gamble to become a leading force in the globalvideo game industry".

No I don't pretend to know everything, but if you make a post like "MS makes consoles for gamers, and the X360 was made by gamers" on a Sytsem-war thread, what do you expect? But nonetheless I am guilty for being too rude, and I have to apologize.

Sounds like Sony might drop the PS line up because its bleeding money. Good riddance.JiveT

if this happens i will buy a drink for everyone at System Wars -- we'll throw the biggest death to sony party the world has ever seen ;)

[QUOTE="DGZeus"][QUOTE="Kreean"][QUOTE="DGZeus"][QUOTE="Kreean"]XBox a product of gamers? ROFL :lol: ... how old are you?

Yeah, bad Sony. They forced me to play God of War, Shadow of the colossus, ICO, Loco Roco, Singstar, The Legend of Dragoon... they are bad really bad.

Kreean

For an age of 35, you have a very naive look at companies and their business practices. You should know that all electronic devices are made by engineers and industrial designers. They asked gamers about their thinking? I doubt that! There is only one case where developers seek out gamers and that's for the QA-department, where they are testing games and consoles. Every company, even the "Nemesis" Sony, has such "gamers", and they are all employees that signed NDAs.

MS is renowned for many things... I just want to quote Bill Gates for his "brilliant" statement referring patents: 

"If people had understood how patents would be granted when most of today's ideas were invented and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete standstill today."

"The solution is patenting as much as we can. A future startup with no patents of its own will be forced to pay whatever price the giants choose to impose. That price might be high. Established companies have an interest in excluding future competitors."

Well his name is Dean Takahashi you can listen to this interview (from the free www.gamasutra.compodcast)http://cmpmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/gdcradio-net/GAMA/Gama_002.mp3 referring his book on "a true insider's look at the creation of the XBox 360 and Microsoft's multi-billion dollar gamble to become a leading force in the globalvideo game industry".

No I don't pretend to know everything, but if you make a post like "MS makes consoles for gamers, and the X360 was made by gamers" on a Sytsem-war thread, what do you expect? But nonetheless I am guilty for being too rude, and I have to apologize.

[QUOTE="Kreean"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"] 

sony came closer than anyone, i think... with "100 million ps2" against 20 million xbox is pretty uneven... even so, they maintained the level of arrogance that always accompanies such position, mocking MS' xbox live vision, controller, hdd, and games...

now? sony is hurting trying to catch up to MS in those areas..... if sony was a monopoly, we'd still be playing the PS1...

sony was given every opportunity to "try" this generation, but chose to turn their backs on their gamers in favor of movie watchers...

leave the windows arguments out of this or i will bring a TON of sony misbehaving's to your attention...

this is about the ps3. let's leave it here...;)

DGZeus

You don't have to tell me about Sony's problems as I'm well aware of them.  Sony is a corporation and therefore I owe zero allegiance or loyalty to them.  In fact, I was using Sony's problems and arrogance regarding the PS3 as evidence of why one company with too much market influence is a bad thing.  Sony and Microsoft are as interchangeable to me as KitchenAid and Whirlpool.   

this is where we differ.  I don't see sony and ms as interchangeable.

the ps was product of a electronics engineer.

the xbox was the product of a team of gamers.  i'll bet you think the xbox was bill's own conception, design and strategy, right? 

i see ms as being different than sony in that they ASKED what gamers want insted of DICTATING what gamers want, as with sony....

XBox a product of gamers? ROFL :lol: ... how old are you?

Yeah, bad Sony. They forced me to play God of War, Shadow of the colossus, ICO, Loco Roco, Singstar, The Legend of Dragoon... they are bad really bad.

I never said that son, I only agreed with what someone else said.  With that said, thatis Mr. Takahashi's (thanks for the correction) second book about the Xbox and I was reffering to the first one about the original xbox.  I was also reffering to the original xbox being concieved by gamers whether empoyees of MS or not they were gamers.  You make it seem as though gamers can't be employed by MS, Sony, or Nintendo.

Well I noticed that I have mistaken you for tango90101, because you answered onto my "how old are you". This question was for him and by the way I was born 1976. I said it before of course gamers* can get jobs in the QA-dept. as testers but nothing else.

* with gamers I mean normal people that have normal jobs and not industry insiders like game-designers, artists, musicians, writers, producers, programmers.

MASSIVE NINTENDO OWNAGE! HAAHHAHA

i don't see why everyone is laughing at sony for "being stupid" or whatever, the way i see it they took a chance, it didn't pay off? that's way too early to say, but even if it didn't sonyis a company that learns from it's mistakes, so if the PS3 fails, expect the PS4 to be AMAZING!!!!.

BTW all the people dreaming that sony would drop out of gaming really are just dreaming, it's never going to happen.

[QUOTE="JiveT"]Sounds like Sony might drop the PS line up because its bleeding money. Good riddance.SolidSnake35

Yeah i agree with you! If Sony leaves this Gen the Xbox360 will have no reason to drop prices and toehr stuff!