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#1 peacebringer
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Your cows anyways ,so i guess you like being Milked. Anywho heres with my argument. If i had a BlueRay rewriter with a 50gb disc i figured out what i would fill it with. files to my PC games that have Next gen graphics to proove next gen games don't need 50gb making this disc to big for anything ATM. If sony manages to fill one of these up with a game i would hope it will last me for 8 years ain't no way am i gonna buy a 50 gb game thats is beatable in a weekend but looks "Real"

 

World of warcraft with BC and patches 13gb

Crysis(when it's released) 6gb(hahaha this is funny)

Battlefield 2 6gb

titan Quest 5gb

Quake 4 5gb

Company of Heroes 6gb

Surpreme Commander 6gb

 

and i still have space for alot of songs to lazy to do the math but thats alot of space. 

 

 

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#2 haols
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The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing.
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#3 dcm06
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well only think in your post that makes sense are the games. and i really think thats a good list of games. but ya gotta remember wow is sepperat from burning crusade. and dont care about blu ray thing or hd dvd man its just those games they rock i wanna go play wow right now! and battlefield 2 a lil bit later.
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#4 bindip
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Your cows anyways ,so i guess you like being Milked. Anywho heres with my argument. If i had a BlueRay rewriter with a 50gb disc i figured out what i would fill it with. files to my PC games that have Next gen graphics to proove next gen games don't need 50gb making this disc to big for anything ATM. If sony manages to fill one of these up with a game i would hope it will last me for 8 years ain't no way am i gonna buy a 50 gb game thats is beatable in a weekend but looks "Real"

 

World of warcraft with BC and patches 13gb

Crysis(when it's released) 6gb(hahaha this is funny)

Battlefield 2 6gb

titan Quest 5gb

Quake 4 5gb

Company of Heroes 6gb

Surpreme Commander 6gb

 

and i still have space for alot of songs to lazy to do the math but thats alot of space. 

 

 

peacebringer

but teh cell pow0r !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i agree have u seen supreme commander, bf2 there massive games. Not to mention the total war series.

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#5 peacebringer
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The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing. haols
and do we really want games from Lazy Developers?
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#6 haols
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[QUOTE="haols"]The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing. peacebringer
and do we really want games from Lazy Developers?

No, at least I don't. But cows doesn't seem to mind seeing how they think blu-ray is good. . .
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I could care less about the console war, but I want Blueray to win so I can do 50GB backups on my PC. Yes, I know they are already out, but they're too expensive at the moment.
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#8 bindip
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I could care less about the console war, but I want Blueray to win so I can do 50GB backups on m PC. Yes, I know they are already out, but they're too expensive at the moment.Squeek37

external hard drive for the win

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#9 Tiago Fontana
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Tell that to my HD TV :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing. haols

 ROFL. do u actually encourage developers to compress files? and you know this will downgrade the quality of the game?

If they have space then they dont need to compress.

 

Its like why would u use vaccuum when we can use our hands to clean?

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Tell that to Kojima.
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#12 Kreean
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I already posted this in another thread...

Nobody blamed the PS1 when they used CD instead of memory-modules.
Nobody blamed the PS2 when they used DVD instead of CD.
But everyone blames the PS3 for using BR instead of DVD.
Mah, people don't seem to realize that this is technical evolution!
Is it needed? No.You can still go back to old 8Bit days where a game needed 100k, but will this satisfy you after you played GeoW, Gow or FFX?
I don't think so...

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#13 daveg1
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no one is getting milked since bluray games cost the same as ps2 games do ,do.

but its just easyier for devs so they dont have to press discs fro each region  and they dont have to compress anything either.

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Your cows anyways ,so i guess you like being Milked. Anywho heres with my argument. If i had a BlueRay rewriter with a 50gb disc i figured out what i would fill it with. files to my PC games that have Next gen graphics to proove next gen games don't need 50gb making this disc to big for anything ATM. If sony manages to fill one of these up with a game i would hope it will last me for 8 years ain't no way am i gonna buy a 50 gb game thats is beatable in a weekend but looks "Real"

 

World of warcraft with BC and patches 13gb

Crysis(when it's released) 6gb(hahaha this is funny)

Battlefield 2 6gb

titan Quest 5gb

Quake 4 5gb

Company of Heroes 6gb

Surpreme Commander 6gb

 

and i still have space for alot of songs to lazy to do the math but thats alot of space. 

 

 

peacebringer

Kojima is going to prove why Blue Ray is needed. Obviously you don't understand the difference between compressed and uncompressed data used within game. Thanks for the report kid. And the last game that looked "real" and took me the weekend to beat it was Gears of War. What planet you living on?

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Your cows anyways ,so i guess you like being Milked. Anywho heres with my argument. If i had a BlueRay rewriter with a 50gb disc i figured out what i would fill it with. files to my PC games that have Next gen graphics to proove next gen games don't need 50gb making this disc to big for anything ATM. If sony manages to fill one of these up with a game i would hope it will last me for 8 years ain't no way am i gonna buy a 50 gb game thats is beatable in a weekend but looks "Real"

 

World of warcraft with BC and patches 13gb

Crysis(when it's released) 6gb(hahaha this is funny)

Battlefield 2 6gb

titan Quest 5gb

Quake 4 5gb

Company of Heroes 6gb

Surpreme Commander 6gb

 

and i still have space for alot of songs to lazy to do the math but thats alot of space. 

 

 

peacebringer
and stalker says it needs 10g but its only 5.5gb
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#16 peacebringer
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[QUOTE="Squeek37"]I could care less about the console war, but I want Blueray to win so I can do 50GB backups on m PC. Yes, I know they are already out, but they're too expensive at the moment.bindip

external hard drive for the win

/agree an external harddrive is also less breakable and stretchable and when installed can just play the games. and they are sometimes pretty cheap . If it was cheap for a BR writer i might do it if the BR disc weren't outrageous priced. but if it's to much then there no real benefit other than convenience
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#17 peacebringer
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[QUOTE="peacebringer"]

Your cows anyways ,so i guess you like being Milked. Anywho heres with my argument. If i had a BlueRay rewriter with a 50gb disc i figured out what i would fill it with. files to my PC games that have Next gen graphics to proove next gen games don't need 50gb making this disc to big for anything ATM. If sony manages to fill one of these up with a game i would hope it will last me for 8 years ain't no way am i gonna buy a 50 gb game thats is beatable in a weekend but looks "Real"

World of warcraft with BC and patches 13gb

Crysis(when it's released) 6gb(hahaha this is funny)

Battlefield 2 6gb

titan Quest 5gb

Quake 4 5gb

Company of Heroes 6gb

Surpreme Commander 6gb

and i still have space for alot of songs to lazy to do the math but thats alot of space.

imprezawrx500
and stalker says it needs 10g but its only 5.5gb

heck i can add stalker it still doesn't add up to 50 gb with those games i listed.
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#18 ithilgore2006
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I already posted this in another thread...

Nobody blamed the PS1 when they used CD instead of memory-modules.
Nobody blamed the PS2 when they used DVD instead of CD.
But everyone blames the PS3 for using BR instead of DVD.
Mah, people don't seem to realize that this is technical evolution!
Is it needed? No.You can still go back to old 8Bit days where a game needed 100k, but will this satisfy you after you played GeoW, Gow or FFX?
I don't think so...

Kreean
Which...all fitted on a DVD. Were you going somewhere with that?
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[QUOTE="haols"]The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing. def_mode

 ROFL. do u actually encourage developers to compress files? and you know this will downgrade the quality of the game?

If they have space then they dont need to compress.

 

Its like why would u use vaccuum when we can use our hands to clean?

Of course I know it will decrease quality. But I hate being forced to buy vast amounts of useless disc-space simply to gain a minimal improvement to the music-scores and textures.

 

Just listen to a CD. Then rip it to your computer and make it an MP3 file and listen again.

 

 Do you hear thne difference?

I don't, but the MP3 takes up approximately 10 TIMES smaller space.

 

That is why I like compression, the consumer benefits from it.

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Your cows anyways ,so i guess you like being Milked. Anywho heres with my argument. If i had a BlueRay rewriter with a 50gb disc i figured out what i would fill it with. files to my PC games that have Next gen graphics to proove next gen games don't need 50gb making this disc to big for anything ATM. If sony manages to fill one of these up with a game i would hope it will last me for 8 years ain't no way am i gonna buy a 50 gb game thats is beatable in a weekend but looks "Real"

 

World of warcraft with BC and patches 13gb

Crysis(when it's released) 6gb(hahaha this is funny)

Battlefield 2 6gb

titan Quest 5gb

Quake 4 5gb

Company of Heroes 6gb

Surpreme Commander 6gb

 

and i still have space for alot of songs to lazy to do the math but thats alot of space. 

 

 

peacebringer
Hey! Don't hate because the real milkage is from MS with their 50 different systems with the price just soaring up, up away! Also Quake 4 should have been 50MB because it was garbage then and is garbage now! I'm so glad we don't get crap like that! Point is more space= Better development!
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[QUOTE="def_mode"]

[QUOTE="haols"]The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing. haols

ROFL. do u actually encourage developers to compress files? and you know this will downgrade the quality of the game?

If they have space then they dont need to compress.

Its like why would u use vaccuum when we can use our hands to clean?

Of course I know it will decrease quality. But I hate being forced to buy vast amounts of useless disc-space simply to gain a minimal improvement to the music-scores. Just listen to a CD. Then rip it to your computer and make it an MP3 file and listen again. Do you hear thne difference? I don't, but the MP3 takes up approximately 10 TIMES smaller space. That is why I like compression, the consumer benefits from it.

i understand what your trying to say and agree with you, but the mp3 file is a bad comparison since if you have a half way decent set of speakers then yes you will hear the difference.
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#22 peacebringer
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[QUOTE="def_mode"]

[QUOTE="haols"]The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing. haols

ROFL. do u actually encourage developers to compress files? and you know this will downgrade the quality of the game?

If they have space then they dont need to compress.

Its like why would u use vaccuum when we can use our hands to clean?

Of course I know it will decrease quality. But I hate being forced to buy vast amounts of useless disc-space simply to gain a minimal improvement to the music-scores. Just listen to a CD. Then rip it to your computer and make it an MP3 file and listen again. Do you hear thne difference? I don't, but the MP3 takes up approximately 10 TIMES smaller space. That is why I like compression, the consumer benefits from it.

your right, they just don't understand by saying it Downgrade the quality like it makes it sound worse than it does. yes it does but not by that much. If pc's been playing the graphics card for way longer than Consoles why does PC still compress textures? Load times, lInternet play less Data to transfer so it can do it faster also they don't need the Space with the great Multiplayer Online PC offers.
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[QUOTE="def_mode"]

[QUOTE="haols"]The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing. haols

 ROFL. do u actually encourage developers to compress files? and you know this will downgrade the quality of the game?

If they have space then they dont need to compress.

 

Its like why would u use vaccuum when we can use our hands to clean?

Of course I know it will decrease quality. But I hate being forced to buy vast amounts of useless disc-space simply to gain a minimal improvement to the music-scores and textures.

 

Just listen to a CD. Then rip it to your computer and make it an MP3 file and listen again.

 

 Do you hear thne difference?

I don't, but the MP3 takes up approximately 10 TIMES smaller space.

 

That is why I like compression, the consumer benefits from it.

Never compare an mp3 file to a video game product.

Developers are good, theyve been well trained for it, they spend lots of time in computer school to know all these. How can we see their real skill that theyve want us to see if they will compress the file which will lower the quality of the game?

Blu Ray is a step up, When cartridges where used in gaming, did you argue about it too when they started using CD? or to DVD's?

Blu Ray is expensive, YES IT IS!, just like DVD when it first came out. What not? people benefits so much from it. Now Blu Ray is here, people will enevtually get used to it and guess what? will benefit too. just like the DVD's

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#24 def_mode
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[QUOTE="haols"][QUOTE="def_mode"]

[QUOTE="haols"]The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing. peacebringer

ROFL. do u actually encourage developers to compress files? and you know this will downgrade the quality of the game?

If they have space then they dont need to compress.

 

Its like why would u use vaccuum when we can use our hands to clean?

Of course I know it will decrease quality. But I hate being forced to buy vast amounts of useless disc-space simply to gain a minimal improvement to the music-scores. Just listen to a CD. Then rip it to your computer and make it an MP3 file and listen again. Do you hear thne difference? I don't, but the MP3 takes up approximately 10 TIMES smaller space. That is why I like compression, the consumer benefits from it.

your right, they just don't understand by saying it Downgrade the quality like it makes it sound worse than it does. yes it does but not by that much. If pc's been playing the graphics card for way longer than Consoles why does PC still compress textures? Load times, lInternet play less Data to transfer so it can do it faster also they don't need the Space with the great Multiplayer Online PC offers.

I never said compressing it will make the visual or the audio will suck.

can i ask u something...how did u manage to move to DVD's from CD?

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#25 def_mode
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MP3 files are only good for small speakers, or headphones, but you will notice the big difference when you will play it in a surround system.

try listening to a DVD movie with dolby digital surround with 7.1

and to ur MP3 player, u will notice a big difference.

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[QUOTE="bindip"]

[QUOTE="Squeek37"]I could care less about the console war, but I want Blueray to win so I can do 50GB backups on m PC. Yes, I know they are already out, but they're too expensive at the moment.peacebringer

external hard drive for the win

/agree an external harddrive is also less breakable and stretchable and when installed can just play the games. and they are sometimes pretty cheap . If it was cheap for a BR writer i might do it if the BR disc weren't outrageous priced. but if it's to much then there no real benefit other than convenience

Disks don't have moving parts, so you are quite wrong. "stretchable"?? I'm going to have to write that one off as English isn't your first language? I will also note that I do have an external drive, but I use it for backups that I change on a fairly regular basis. It's just not plausible to keep multiple external drives around that still have a chance of failure while taking 500GB+ with it.
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[QUOTE="haols"][QUOTE="def_mode"]

[QUOTE="haols"]The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing. def_mode

ROFL. do u actually encourage developers to compress files? and you know this will downgrade the quality of the game?

If they have space then they dont need to compress.

Its like why would u use vaccuum when we can use our hands to clean?

Of course I know it will decrease quality. But I hate being forced to buy vast amounts of useless disc-space simply to gain a minimal improvement to the music-scores and textures.

Just listen to a CD. Then rip it to your computer and make it an MP3 file and listen again.

Do you hear thne difference?

I don't, but the MP3 takes up approximately 10 TIMES smaller space.

That is why I like compression, the consumer benefits from it.

Never compare an mp3 file to a video game product.

Developers are good, theyve been well trained for it, they spend lots of time in computer school to know all these. How can we see their real skill that theyve want us to see if they will compress the file which will lower the quality of the game?

Blu Ray is a step up, When cartridges where used in gaming, did you argue about it too when they started using CD? or to DVD's?

Blu Ray is expensive, YES IT IS!, just like DVD when it first came out. What not? people benefits so much from it. Now Blu Ray is here, people will enevtually get used to it and guess what? will benefit too. just like the DVD's

Like it or not, CDs and DVDs and even Blu-Ray is step down from cartridge in terms of video game medium. The reason CDs became popular gaming medium is because it is cost-effective, not because it is best for gaming.
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#28 Kreean
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Please look at the history of VG-consoles, in each generation the memory space of the media expanded. Why should it be different this time? Not so long ago PC games fitted on a single CD (Morrowind without expansion) and now they need DVDs (Oblivion comes on one DVD).
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Your cows anyways ,so i guess you like being Milked. Anywho heres with my argument. If i had a BlueRay rewriter with a 50gb disc i figured out what i would fill it with. files to my PC games that have Next gen graphics to proove next gen games don't need 50gb making this disc to big for anything ATM. If sony manages to fill one of these up with a game i would hope it will last me for 8 years ain't no way am i gonna buy a 50 gb game thats is beatable in a weekend but looks "Real"

World of warcraft with BC and patches 13gb

Crysis(when it's released) 6gb(hahaha this is funny)

Battlefield 2 6gb

titan Quest 5gb

Quake 4 5gb

Company of Heroes 6gb

Surpreme Commander 6gb

and i still have space for alot of songs to lazy to do the math but thats alot of space.

peacebringer
You want to talk about disk go read my blog about the difference between blu-ray and Hd-dvd disc that is all.
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1. None of those game are in 1080p HD!! 2. How much VOICE diolouge do they have. 3. How BIG a world are they?? 4. How interactive are they?? These things will grow an a lot more. before games were KB big and a MB game was unheard of later games grew to a few MB and CD was more than enough room in fact when DVD came out they still used CDs for a while then finally moved to DVD. Give it 2-3 years DVDs will not be big enough and compressing will cause problems.
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[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]1. None of those game are in 1080p HD!! 2. How much VOICE diolouge do they have. 3. How BIG a world are they?? 4. How interactive are they?? These things will grow an a lot more. before games were KB big and a MB game was unheard of later games grew to a few MB and CD was more than enough room in fact when DVD came out they still used CDs for a while then finally moved to DVD. Give it 2-3 years DVDs will not be big enough and compressing will cause problems.

Yeah, but until then the Blu-Ray that is causing the PS3 to be so expensive is useless. Blu-Ray is out far too early.
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[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]1. None of those game are in 1080p HD!! 2. How much VOICE diolouge do they have. 3. How BIG a world are they?? 4. How interactive are they?? These things will grow an a lot more. before games were KB big and a MB game was unheard of later games grew to a few MB and CD was more than enough room in fact when DVD came out they still used CDs for a while then finally moved to DVD. Give it 2-3 years DVDs will not be big enough and compressing will cause problems.

1a: HD has nothing to do with the amount of space. 1b: All those game are above "1080P HD". It's just a resolution, they just call it 1080P as a marketing ploy, but games on PC have had larger resolutions than that for years. 2: I point you to crysis. 3: Again, it has got nothing to do wit the amount of diskspace, and again I point you to crysis. Good day
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[QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]1. None of those game are in 1080p HD!! 2. How much VOICE diolouge do they have. 3. How BIG a world are they?? 4. How interactive are they?? These things will grow an a lot more. before games were KB big and a MB game was unheard of later games grew to a few MB and CD was more than enough room in fact when DVD came out they still used CDs for a while then finally moved to DVD. Give it 2-3 years DVDs will not be big enough and compressing will cause problems.

Yeah, but until then the Blu-Ray that is causing the PS3 to be so expensive is useless. Blu-Ray is out far too early.

To early? yet it has been out selling dvd's :(?
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#34 Danm_999
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Err, TC, you've actually made quite a few mistakes in here. I actually agree Blu-ray isn't needed for most gaming, but not for the reasons you've listed.

Ok, so many of those games you've listed (I'm thinking Supreme Commander, WoW, Medieval 2 Total War, Crysis) are in fact ridiculously huge. In fact, these PC games are probably bigger in terms of content than any console game will be this generation.

HOWEVER, you're forgetting two important facts about them.

1) They are PC games, and thus benefit from the absolutely massive HDDs available to modern gaming PCs. Whereas consoles need to run most data straight from the disk, PC games can compress files, install them on HDDs and then run them off that extremely efficiently. WoW for example, the disk is only needed once, when you install.

HDDs and the installion process makes PC gaming a very different kettle of fish from console gaming, where all the data needs to come from the disk directly.

2) The games are not very space intensive. Yes, their huge, but these are the sorts of games whose bread and butter interaction don't really use the two factors that consume the most space on a disk; CGI and Audio. Contrast this with something like, Final Fantasy, or MGS, and you have games that are actually quite a lot smaller, but need the space more.

This opens a counter argument for the 360 however, that the sort of games that are proliferate on the Xbox (shooters, WRPGs, action adventure) don't really need them either.

So in conclusion, PCs basically work quite differently to consoles in this respect, and while I don't actually feel Blu-ray is needed in the gaming mainstream, the reasons you give aren't correct.

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#35 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]1. None of those game are in 1080p HD!! 2. How much VOICE diolouge do they have. 3. How BIG a world are they?? 4. How interactive are they?? These things will grow an a lot more. before games were KB big and a MB game was unheard of later games grew to a few MB and CD was more than enough room in fact when DVD came out they still used CDs for a while then finally moved to DVD. Give it 2-3 years DVDs will not be big enough and compressing will cause problems.

Yeah, but until then the Blu-Ray that is causing the PS3 to be so expensive is useless. Blu-Ray is out far too early.

To early? yet it has been out selling dvd's :(?

Blu-ray outselling DVDs? Surely you jest.
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#36 Boba_Fett_3710
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Regardless of whether or not Blu-ray is a success, it still doesn't change the fact that it is unnecessary and useless in gaming.
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#37 Unforgiven2870
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20070307/tc_cmp/197800664

you were saying?

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#38 Danm_999
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http://blogs.pcworld.com/digitalworld/archives/2007/03/bluray_outselli.html

you were saying?

Unforgiven2870
Err, that says it's outselling HD DVD. I'm talking about DVD.
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#39 Sovereign727
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[QUOTE="peacebringer"]

Your cows anyways ,so i guess you like being Milked. Anywho heres with my argument. If i had a BlueRay rewriter with a 50gb disc i figured out what i would fill it with. files to my PC games that have Next gen graphics to proove next gen games don't need 50gb making this disc to big for anything ATM. If sony manages to fill one of these up with a game i would hope it will last me for 8 years ain't no way am i gonna buy a 50 gb game thats is beatable in a weekend but looks "Real"

World of warcraft with BC and patches 13gb

Crysis(when it's released) 6gb(hahaha this is funny)

Battlefield 2 6gb

titan Quest 5gb

Quake 4 5gb

Company of Heroes 6gb

Surpreme Commander 6gb

and i still have space for alot of songs to lazy to do the math but thats alot of space.

bindip

but teh cell pow0r !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i agree have u seen supreme commander, bf2 there massive games. Not to mention the total war series.

Medievil total war comes on 2 DVDs buddy, better not bring that series up.
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#40 Unforgiven2870
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[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]

http://blogs.pcworld.com/digitalworld/archives/2007/03/bluray_outselli.html

you were saying?

Danm_999
Err, that says it's outselling HD DVD. I'm talking about DVD.

yea thats what i ment HD dvd LOL and my linkage messed me up because i had a second link for you.
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#41 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]

http://blogs.pcworld.com/digitalworld/archives/2007/03/bluray_outselli.html

you were saying?

Unforgiven2870
Err, that says it's outselling HD DVD. I'm talking about DVD.

yea thats what i ment HD dvd LOL and my linkage messed me up because i had a second link for you.

Well I didn't mention HD DVD, I mentioned DVDs. Completely different story.
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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="haols"]The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing. haols
and do we really want games from Lazy Developers?

No, at least I don't. But cows doesn't seem to mind seeing how they think blu-ray is good. . .

And how can the PS3 even HAVE lazy devs if the PS3 is so hard to program? If there is any console that is in the position of having lazy devs its the 360 with with its super easy programing with restrictive boanderies. The only thing THEY have to worry about is disc managment, where on the disc to actualy put the stuff to get best load times. Unlike what you have to do with BD, since no mater where you put it on the disc you get the same read speed.
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#43 Boba_Fett_3710
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Doesn't the PS3 only keep up to disk speed because it both streams and caches it's blu-ray content?
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#44 trasherhead
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Doesn't the PS3 only keep up to disk speed because it both streams and caches it's blu-ray content?Boba_Fett_3710
Well, no one whould say(atleast anymore) that the PS3 has faster loadtimes then the 360, with only a few exceptions like oblivian. But if the devs don't optimize where on the disc they put their stuff it could push up load times. Since the read speed on DVD's isn't constant like on BD. Though the 360's 12X dvd drive is faster then the PS3's 2X BD drive it only reads at 12X at the outer lines of the disc and going down to around 7X-8X on the inner lines.
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[QUOTE="peacebringer"]

Your cows anyways ,so i guess you like being Milked. Anywho heres with my argument. If i had a BlueRay rewriter with a 50gb disc i figured out what i would fill it with. files to my PC games that have Next gen graphics to proove next gen games don't need 50gb making this disc to big for anything ATM. If sony manages to fill one of these up with a game i would hope it will last me for 8 years ain't no way am i gonna buy a 50 gb game thats is beatable in a weekend but looks "Real"

 

World of warcraft with BC and patches 13gb

Crysis(when it's released) 6gb(hahaha this is funny)

Battlefield 2 6gb

titan Quest 5gb

Quake 4 5gb

Company of Heroes 6gb

Surpreme Commander 6gb

 

and i still have space for alot of songs to lazy to do the math but thats alot of space.

 

 

familyguyvs360

Hey! Don't hate because the real milkage is from MS with their 50 different systems with the price just soaring up, up away! Also Quake 4 should have been 50MB because it was garbage then and is garbage now! I'm so glad we don't get crap like that! Point is more space= Better development!

 

you make baby jesus cry. 

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[QUOTE="haols"]The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing. def_mode

 ROFL. do u actually encourage developers to compress files? and you know this will downgrade the quality of the game?

If they have space then they dont need to compress.

 

Its like why would u use vaccuum when we can use our hands to clean?

there is such a thing as lossless compression you know. which doesnt lose any quality, hence the term "lossless",
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[QUOTE="Boba_Fett_3710"]Doesn't the PS3 only keep up to disk speed because it both streams and caches it's blu-ray content?trasherhead
Well, no one whould say(atleast anymore) that the PS3 has faster loadtimes then the 360, with only a few exceptions like oblivian. But if the devs don't optimize where on the disc they put their stuff it could push up load times. Since the read speed on DVD's isn't constant like on BD. Though the 360's 12X dvd drive is faster then the PS3's 2X BD drive it only reads at 12X at the outer lines of the disc and going down to around 7X-8X on the inner lines.

actually devs are dumping all of their garbage on the wii right now, and its kinda annoying.
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#48 Ontain
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I already posted this in another thread...

Nobody blamed the PS1 when they used CD instead of memory-modules.
Nobody blamed the PS2 when they used DVD instead of CD.
But everyone blames the PS3 for using BR instead of DVD.
Mah, people don't seem to realize that this is technical evolution!
Is it needed? No.You can still go back to old 8Bit days where a game needed 100k, but will this satisfy you after you played GeoW, Gow or FFX?
I don't think so...

Kreean
when the ps1 came out devs were already hitting the limits of carts. when the ps2 came out multipe CD games was common. when the ps3 came out how many games were there that were over 8 or 9 gig? how many would there be if they didn't use cgi and used ingame instead (since that's how you'll use the power of the systems right? they jumped the gun this time don't you think? we know it's because they wanted to win the movie media war.
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#49 dru26
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So far both titles that were reproted to use 13- 17 gb of disc space were standard games. RFoM was great but nothing about that game showed evidence of extra disc space, and Motorstorm is actually lacking in features I've seen in dvd racers. I love Blu-Ray movies, but until I see actual iron clad proof, whether content or features, I do not believe the space is being utilized at all.
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The only thing blu-ray does as of now is to allow devs to be lazy with compresion and code-writing. haols
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