Blu-Ray Tanking already?!!

I just found this and thought i would share with everyone and to see what you guys think. Sorry Mods if this is in the wrong place but i debated for like an hour about where to post it lol, but since it affects both consoles possibly, i posted here. It states that sales of blu-ray are tanking, suggesting the demise of the format. Im sure you guys are just as confused as i am about this.

PS, i own all systems so im no fanboy!!!!

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/03/blu-ray-sales-tank-reason

Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read, or at least consider the source. *sees link & walks away*

And considering that HDDVD is truly "dead", Blu-Ray is the only Hi-Def format out there right now, how could it be "tanking"? Man, you need to get your +10 shield of n00b flaming out, cause you're about to get pillaged!

:lol: at the Inquirer.

But seriously now. The thing is building up steam.

Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read, or at least consider the source. *sees link & walks away*

And considering that HDDVD is truly "dead", Blu-Ray is the only Hi-Def format out there right now, how could it be "tanking"? Man, you need to get your +10 shield of n00b flaming out, cause you're about to get pillaged!

ColoradoKindBud

lol, thanks for the heads up!!, i wasnt trying to start anything, i just like to share information, and because it was based on CNET info, i thought it was cool, sorry if its not.

[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]

Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read, or at least consider the source. *sees link & walks away*

And considering that HDDVD is truly "dead", Blu-Ray is the only Hi-Def format out there right now, how could it be "tanking"? Man, you need to get your +10 shield of n00b flaming out, cause you're about to get pillaged!

navyguy21

lol, thanks for the heads up!!, i wasnt trying to start anything, i just like to share information, and because it was based on CNET info, i thought it was cool, sorry if its not.

No worries, I was just having a bit of fun with you. Seriously though, the Inquirer is not at all a respectable source for anything, let alone tech-related info.

[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]

Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read, or at least consider the source. *sees link & walks away*

And considering that HDDVD is truly "dead", Blu-Ray is the only Hi-Def format out there right now, how could it be "tanking"? Man, you need to get your +10 shield of n00b flaming out, cause you're about to get pillaged!

navyguy21

lol, thanks for the heads up!!, i wasnt trying to start anything, i just like to share information, and because it was based on CNET info, i thought it was cool, sorry if its not.

The CNET article just talks about how Blu ray STANDALONE players have gone down in sales since January, which is understandable seeing as how its after the holiday season and PS3s are still the desired blu ray player. And if you look at actual blu ray disk sales they have gone up by 351%.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1222

The not so bright people out there had expected sales to skyrocket once the format war was done, but it didn't. They thought was people would ignore the massive defects of Blu-ray and buy like the dumb sheep that they are, handcuffing themselves to the Sony bank account.

Surprise, it didn't happen. US consumers are still dumb sheep, but this time they are realizing what is being done to them and they aren't biting. Sony's hope of having 50% of disc sales this year be Blu-ray are more likely to happen because of falling DVD sales than rocketing Blu-ray.

The format has three problems, DRM infections, BD-J and greed. The greed part is obvious, Sony won the format war and are trying to charge people between 50 and 100% more for a product with marginally better quality. Sure, it looks better, and the 0.07% of people with 7.1 channel audio setups will be overjoyed, but for the rest, it is a small step at best over an upconverting DVD.

Are you going to buy the DVD version for $16.99 on new release sale or $29.99 for the BD? It doesn't take a genius to realize that the next iteration of Hollywood Formula #7 with Big Stars #3 and #8 isn't worth it. The movie studios have yet to convince me that The Water Horse is worth spending my money on at all, much less at twice the price for DRM'd HD versions.

An excerpt from the article. Seems like some of the Bluray arguments I've posted. This guy seems to know what he's talking about..

cnet also had an article about blu-ray sales only going up 2% after toshibia declared the death of hd-dvdblackice1983

Stand alone, not PS3s which sales have gone up and so have disk sales that went up 351%.

[QUOTE="blackice1983"]cnet also had an article about blu-ray sales only going up 2% after toshibia declared the death of hd-dvdJavy03

Stand alone, not PS3s which sales have gone up and so have disk sales that went up 351%.

link please oh kind sir

The not so bright people out there had expected sales to skyrocket once the format war was done, but it didn't. They thought was people would ignore the massive defects of Blu-ray and buy like the dumb sheep that they are, handcuffing themselves to the Sony bank account.

Surprise, it didn't happen. US consumers are still dumb sheep, but this time they are realizing what is being done to them and they aren't biting. Sony's hope of having 50% of disc sales this year be Blu-ray are more likely to happen because of falling DVD sales than rocketing Blu-ray.

The format has three problems, DRM infections, BD-J and greed. The greed part is obvious, Sony won the format war and are trying to charge people between 50 and 100% more for a product with marginally better quality. Sure, it looks better, and the 0.07% of people with 7.1 channel audio setups will be overjoyed, but for the rest, it is a small step at best over an upconverting DVD.

Are you going to buy the DVD version for $16.99 on new release sale or $29.99 for the BD? It doesn't take a genius to realize that the next iteration of Hollywood Formula #7 with Big Stars #3 and #8 isn't worth it. The movie studios have yet to convince me that The Water Horse is worth spending my money on at all, much less at twice the price for DRM'd HD versions.

An excerpt from the article. Seems like some of the Bluray arguments I've posted. This guy seems to know what he's talking about..

DXGreat1_HGL

Not at all look above you and you will see a link in the same month that shows blu ray sales have gone up by alot. He is crying about stand alone blu ray players, excluding PS3 just like Toshiba and we saw how effective that logic was for HD DVD didnt we.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="blackice1983"]cnet also had an article about blu-ray sales only going up 2% after toshibia declared the death of hd-dvdblackice1983

Stand alone, not PS3s which sales have gone up and so have disk sales that went up 351%.

link please oh kind sir

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1222

An excerpt from the article. Seems like some of the Bluray arguments I've posted. This guy seems to know what he's talking about..

DXGreat1_HGL

No, he doesn't. Sales of Blu-Ray movies are way up, and the format is doing better than DVD did at this stage in its life.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]

Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read, or at least consider the source. *sees link & walks away*

And considering that HDDVD is truly "dead", Blu-Ray is the only Hi-Def format out there right now, how could it be "tanking"? Man, you need to get your +10 shield of n00b flaming out, cause you're about to get pillaged!

ColoradoKindBud

lol, thanks for the heads up!!, i wasnt trying to start anything, i just like to share information, and because it was based on CNET info, i thought it was cool, sorry if its not.

No worries, I was just having a bit of fun with you. Seriously though, the Inquirer is not at all a respectable source for anything, let alone tech-related info.

I actually found dozens of other sites stating the same thing, here are a few of them

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9932311-7.html

http://gizmodo.com/385925/hd-dvds-death-hasnt-helped-blu+ray-sales-which-are-so-bad-npd-wont-talk-about-em

http://www.insanely-great.com/news.php?id=8981

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/blu-ray-the-future-has-been-delayed/

Downloading HD movies from the Internet is the way.KillaHalo2o9

The bandwidth of TV service hasn't reached a point of delivering 100% HD quality. And the internet service is has less than this. And in many countries there is a limit of bandwidth that can be used for internet service. HD DD is a long way from being a viable way of getting HD movies.

[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"][QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]

Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read, or at least consider the source. *sees link & walks away*

And considering that HDDVD is truly "dead", Blu-Ray is the only Hi-Def format out there right now, how could it be "tanking"? Man, you need to get your +10 shield of n00b flaming out, cause you're about to get pillaged!

navyguy21

lol, thanks for the heads up!!, i wasnt trying to start anything, i just like to share information, and because it was based on CNET info, i thought it was cool, sorry if its not.

No worries, I was just having a bit of fun with you. Seriously though, the Inquirer is not at all a respectable source for anything, let alone tech-related info.

I actually found dozens of other sites stating the same thing, here are a few of them

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9932311-7.html

http://gizmodo.com/385925/hd-dvds-death-hasnt-helped-blu+ray-sales-which-are-so-bad-npd-wont-talk-about-em

http://www.insanely-great.com/news.php?id=8981

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/blu-ray-the-future-has-been-delayed/

OWNAGE APPROVED

First lemmings say HD-DVD, because it was cheaper, will make Blu-Ray the next beta max.

Now lemmings say Blu-Ray won't do well because of DVD and HD DLC.

Lemmings :lol:

[QUOTE="KillaHalo2o9"]Downloading HD movies from the Internet is the way.jimm895

The bandwidth of TV service hasn't reached a point of delivering 100% HD quality. And the internet service is has less than this. And in many countries there is a limit of bandwidth that can be used for internet service. HD DD is a long way from being a viable way of getting HD movies.

I am not a huge movie collecter, so I am pretty happy with downloading an HD movie from Xbox Live every month or so.

First lemmings say HD-DVD, because it was cheaper, will make Blu-Ray the next beta max.

Now lemmings say Blu-Ray won't do well because of DVD and HD DLC.

Lemmings :lol:

mentzer

Maybe you should try to read the links BEFORE putting your foot in your mouth.

LOL you spend an hour debating where to post an Inquirer article??? wow...

These are the same people that said the PS3 was slow, broken and not working only like a week before its launch.

Downloading HD movies from the Internet is the way.KillaHalo2o9

Not really most hard drives in the world are no where near even 100gbs. plus most people don't use pc for movies. a blu ray movie can be 50gbs it would take ages to download that. most people dont even have the net. there is only 660million pcs. most of them are very out of date. try downloading 50gbs @ 128kbps

it is a small step at best over an upconverting DVD.

DXGreat1_HGL

I wonder if you actually believe this. Then again, you probably believe that Bluray is a Sony product. And who in their right mind would pay $29 for a Bluray movie when most can be had far cheaper than that?

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

it is a small step at best over an upconverting DVD.

ramey70

I wonder if you actually believe this. Then again, you probably believe that Bluray is a Sony product. And who in their right mind would pay $29 for a Bluray movie when most can be had far cheaper than that?

I tried t out. Bluray is woefully overrated. The prices are too expensive for a nominal improvement...

Seriously? You bought a HD-DVD fanboy rant article into the system war forums?

Why don't you take it to the highdefdigest.com forums where it belongs?

I don't care if Blu-ray Tanks....the whole HD thing is just stupid. The difference between HD movies on a HD-TV and normal DVDs on a Normal TV is basically nothing...Ateast to me. Its just a fad and is nothing but hype... It offers no REAL benefits over DVDs and can sometimes cost more. hoola

Riiiiiiiight.

:lol: at the Inquirer.

But seriously now. The thing is building up steam.

MoldOnHold

how could the inquirer by not reputable? i mean, their cheif editor is Charles Foster Kane the most honest newsman i know!

[QUOTE="hoola"]I don't care if Blu-ray Tanks....the whole HD thing is just stupid. The difference between HD movies on a HD-TV and normal DVDs on a Normal TV is basically nothing...Ateast to me. Its just a fad and is nothing but hype... It offers no REAL benefits over DVDs and can sometimes cost more. ramey70

Riiiiiiiight.

Actually, what his opinion seems to be the popular one at the moment. BluRay is definitely the format of the (near) future...but this isn't DVD vs VHS. There was actually an interesting article in IEEE Spectrum (look up IEEE if you don't know what it is, and university-goers will probably have access to the magazine) a few months back saying that BluRay is a hollow victory. I'm happy that a single format won, and I'm happy it was BluRay...but I'm not running out to throw $$$ at high def just because companies want me to.

the reason why blu ray has not taken off like dvd did. Is becuase dvd was made for 480i tvs every one has an SD tv . Blu ray is made for big expensive full HD tvs with 7,1 sound. very few people have this so they don't see a big advantage with blu ray. plus the 400$ + players and the 30$ and more movies really hurts your wallet .iamanoobkillme

Yeah you are right, I 1st experienced Bluray watching a Sony Pictures release, on A Sony Bravia, played on a PS3. I guess I must of been a bit shortsighted to presume that you can't get the complete BD experience on Sony products...

Did you hear that Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise were breaking up too? OMG!!tmatte

not the same at that publication.

[QUOTE="ramey70"]

[QUOTE="hoola"]I don't care if Blu-ray Tanks....the whole HD thing is just stupid. The difference between HD movies on a HD-TV and normal DVDs on a Normal TV is basically nothing...Ateast to me. Its just a fad and is nothing but hype... It offers no REAL benefits over DVDs and can sometimes cost more. phatrawk

Riiiiiiiight.

Actually, what his opinion seems to be the popular one at the moment. BluRay is definitely the format of the (near) future...but this isn't DVD vs VHS. There was actually an interesting article in IEEE Spectrum (look up IEEE if you don't know what it is, and university-goers will probably have access to the magazine) a few months back saying that BluRay is a hollow victory. I'm happy that a single format won, and I'm happy it was BluRay...but I'm not running out to throw $$$ at high def just because companies want me to.

Actually it doesn't. Bluray and HD aren't one in the same. Sales of HD sets are skyrocketing, especially flat panels. Networks and satellite providers are scrambling to add more and more HD programming and content to satisfy demand. On a personal basis, I just purchased a 1080i HD camera for $3,700 to give my customers a choice for HD content. The response has been overwhelming. I can post pics of the cam if you don't believe me. HD is real, and it's here to stay. People see the difference.

I'll wait for this:

Downloading HD movies from the Internet is the way.KillaHalo2o9

People, including me still like to own hard copies.

I think it's a long way off until DLing is the standard. Maybe 10 years.

I'll wait for this:

SER69

You'll be waiting a very long time.

[QUOTE="KillaHalo2o9"]Downloading HD movies from the Internet is the way.jimm895

The bandwidth of TV service hasn't reached a point of delivering 100% HD quality. And the internet service is has less than this. And in many countries there is a limit of bandwidth that can be used for internet service. HD DD is a long way from being a viable way of getting HD movies.

Who says it has to? If picture quality was THE deciding factor for your average consumer, most people would still be buying film cameras. Instead they're buying digital cameras, despite the fact that these cannot reproduce the same resolution and dynamic range. They're also getting their music off of CDs and download, despite the fact that other technologies like DVD music offer superior audio.

My point is that most people are willing to forgo a certain level of quality in favor of greater convenience, and often lesser cost.

Good Post. Blu Ray prices are Killing IT!! I have a combo hd/blu drive and on principle refuse to buy a Brand New Blu-ray disk. I catch them used or I don't catch them. After Hd-Dvd, They tried to creep the price up. So in theory I'm glad people are'nt buying overpriced Movies.

I wouldn't be suprised at all. I mean look at UMD for movies, it's resting in peace now. Blu ray is still more expensive than any movie format out there. So until blu ray prices miraculously drop down drastically, it'll continue to tank lower and lower until it becomes like UMD for movies, irrelevant.

Aren't those links just for standalone players... didn't the other link provided by a poster says that blu-ray software sells were up 351%?

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1222

I have a relative involved in Disney entertainment, and he claims that dvd is still outselling Blu-Ray by such a wide margin, they are holding off releasing the old classics until it picks up alot more support.

Of the 6 or 7 households I frequent with HD sets, I am still the only one that has a Blu-Ray player, despite my continual praising of the format.