Blu-Ray was not worth it for Sony.

[QUOTE="beachbob1"]I disagree with the argument that Sony was thinking long tern and won the format war. It's tuff to see that far in the future. The next Gen for movies may not see the sales DVD and VHS did. Haven't you noticed Blockbuster Video's ever shrinking bussiness model. The future for Movies is already here. DL Netflix/360 The next gen consoles will be powerhouses and you wil be surfing the net and downloading most of your games and movies imo. MP3 is still in its infancy and look what it has done to the music industry already.Albanian_Killa

Downloading? :lol: If Sony took the downloading route now, no one would buy it. With bandwidth restrictions so messed up, I don't think DLC is the best method. Sure, 10 years from now, of course, but so far, no. First of all, Netflix streaming from what I hear is not HD. If someone can tell me if I'm right or wrong that would be great. Streaming eats up bandwidth too because data isn't coming in by magic here now. Netflix is easy in terms of you can watch any movie in a click, but I prefer hard copy. So far, content on the PSN Store and XBL Marketplace is in 720p from what I'm hearing. 1080p is better than 720p, which is why Blu-Ray is the future. I don't want DLC to be the future. Businesses will go bankrupt, and this world will become fatter than ever with everyone staying at home and not going outside. I know what you're thinking, wtf am I doing bringing this here. All I'm saying is that if the future is DLC, things are going to have to change a lot.

I am already downloading HD(1080p) movies on the 360 and with TW Cable so in 4 to 5 years I would think it would be pretty standard. Which could translate into huge losses for Blu Ray and anyone cuaght behind the times like Blockbuster was.(they will still make money but I dont see the windfall like VHS and DVD)

[QUOTE="Albanian_Killa"]

[QUOTE="beachbob1"]I disagree with the argument that Sony was thinking long tern and won the format war. It's tuff to see that far in the future. The next Gen for movies may not see the sales DVD and VHS did. Haven't you noticed Blockbuster Video's ever shrinking bussiness model. The future for Movies is already here. DL Netflix/360 The next gen consoles will be powerhouses and you wil be surfing the net and downloading most of your games and movies imo. MP3 is still in its infancy and look what it has done to the music industry already.beachbob1

Downloading? :lol: If Sony took the downloading route now, no one would buy it. With bandwidth restrictions so messed up, I don't think DLC is the best method. Sure, 10 years from now, of course, but so far, no. First of all, Netflix streaming from what I hear is not HD. If someone can tell me if I'm right or wrong that would be great. Streaming eats up bandwidth too because data isn't coming in by magic here now. Netflix is easy in terms of you can watch any movie in a click, but I prefer hard copy. So far, content on the PSN Store and XBL Marketplace is in 720p from what I'm hearing. 1080p is better than 720p, which is why Blu-Ray is the future. I don't want DLC to be the future. Businesses will go bankrupt, and this world will become fatter than ever with everyone staying at home and not going outside. I know what you're thinking, wtf am I doing bringing this here. All I'm saying is that if the future is DLC, things are going to have to change a lot.

I am already downloading HD(1080p) movies on the 360 and with TW Cable so in 4 to 5 years I would think it would be pretty standard. Which could translate into huge losses for Blu Ray and anyone cuaght behind the times like Blockbuster was.(they will still make money but I dont see the windfall like VHS and DVD)

arent you egotistical. you're only thinking of your situation. how about the rest of the world?

[QUOTE="beachbob1"][QUOTE="Albanian_Killa"]

[QUOTE="beachbob1"]I disagree with the argument that Sony was thinking long tern and won the format war. It's tuff to see that far in the future. The next Gen for movies may not see the sales DVD and VHS did. Haven't you noticed Blockbuster Video's ever shrinking bussiness model. The future for Movies is already here. DL Netflix/360 The next gen consoles will be powerhouses and you wil be surfing the net and downloading most of your games and movies imo. MP3 is still in its infancy and look what it has done to the music industry already.virtuas

Downloading? :lol: If Sony took the downloading route now, no one would buy it. With bandwidth restrictions so messed up, I don't think DLC is the best method. Sure, 10 years from now, of course, but so far, no. First of all, Netflix streaming from what I hear is not HD. If someone can tell me if I'm right or wrong that would be great. Streaming eats up bandwidth too because data isn't coming in by magic here now. Netflix is easy in terms of you can watch any movie in a click, but I prefer hard copy. So far, content on the PSN Store and XBL Marketplace is in 720p from what I'm hearing. 1080p is better than 720p, which is why Blu-Ray is the future. I don't want DLC to be the future. Businesses will go bankrupt, and this world will become fatter than ever with everyone staying at home and not going outside. I know what you're thinking, wtf am I doing bringing this here. All I'm saying is that if the future is DLC, things are going to have to change a lot.

I am already downloading HD(1080p) movies on the 360 and with TW Cable so in 4 to 5 years I would think it would be pretty standard. Which could translate into huge losses for Blu Ray and anyone cuaght behind the times like Blockbuster was.(they will still make money but I dont see the windfall like VHS and DVD)

arent you egotistical. you're only thinking of your situation. how about the rest of the world?

[QUOTE="virtuas"][QUOTE="beachbob1"][QUOTE="Albanian_Killa"]

[QUOTE="beachbob1"]I disagree with the argument that Sony was thinking long tern and won the format war. It's tuff to see that far in the future. The next Gen for movies may not see the sales DVD and VHS did. Haven't you noticed Blockbuster Video's ever shrinking bussiness model. The future for Movies is already here. DL Netflix/360 The next gen consoles will be powerhouses and you wil be surfing the net and downloading most of your games and movies imo. MP3 is still in its infancy and look what it has done to the music industry already.RyuHayabusaX

Downloading? :lol: If Sony took the downloading route now, no one would buy it. With bandwidth restrictions so messed up, I don't think DLC is the best method. Sure, 10 years from now, of course, but so far, no. First of all, Netflix streaming from what I hear is not HD. If someone can tell me if I'm right or wrong that would be great. Streaming eats up bandwidth too because data isn't coming in by magic here now. Netflix is easy in terms of you can watch any movie in a click, but I prefer hard copy. So far, content on the PSN Store and XBL Marketplace is in 720p from what I'm hearing. 1080p is better than 720p, which is why Blu-Ray is the future. I don't want DLC to be the future. Businesses will go bankrupt, and this world will become fatter than ever with everyone staying at home and not going outside. I know what you're thinking, wtf am I doing bringing this here. All I'm saying is that if the future is DLC, things are going to have to change a lot.

I am already downloading HD(1080p) movies on the 360 and with TW Cable so in 4 to 5 years I would think it would be pretty standard. Which could translate into huge losses for Blu Ray and anyone cuaght behind the times like Blockbuster was.(they will still make money but I dont see the windfall like VHS and DVD)

arent you egotistical. you're only thinking of your situation. how about the rest of the world?

You could of said I was egotistical when I had cable TV and you where using rabbit ears too. But look what happened.

[QUOTE="RyuHayabusaX"][QUOTE="virtuas"][QUOTE="beachbob1"][QUOTE="Albanian_Killa"]

[QUOTE="beachbob1"]I disagree with the argument that Sony was thinking long tern and won the format war. It's tuff to see that far in the future. The next Gen for movies may not see the sales DVD and VHS did. Haven't you noticed Blockbuster Video's ever shrinking bussiness model. The future for Movies is already here. DL Netflix/360 The next gen consoles will be powerhouses and you wil be surfing the net and downloading most of your games and movies imo. MP3 is still in its infancy and look what it has done to the music industry already.beachbob1

Downloading? :lol: If Sony took the downloading route now, no one would buy it. With bandwidth restrictions so messed up, I don't think DLC is the best method. Sure, 10 years from now, of course, but so far, no. First of all, Netflix streaming from what I hear is not HD. If someone can tell me if I'm right or wrong that would be great. Streaming eats up bandwidth too because data isn't coming in by magic here now. Netflix is easy in terms of you can watch any movie in a click, but I prefer hard copy. So far, content on the PSN Store and XBL Marketplace is in 720p from what I'm hearing. 1080p is better than 720p, which is why Blu-Ray is the future. I don't want DLC to be the future. Businesses will go bankrupt, and this world will become fatter than ever with everyone staying at home and not going outside. I know what you're thinking, wtf am I doing bringing this here. All I'm saying is that if the future is DLC, things are going to have to change a lot.

I am already downloading HD(1080p) movies on the 360 and with TW Cable so in 4 to 5 years I would think it would be pretty standard. Which could translate into huge losses for Blu Ray and anyone cuaght behind the times like Blockbuster was.(they will still make money but I dont see the windfall like VHS and DVD)

arent you egotistical. you're only thinking of your situation. how about the rest of the world?

You could of said I was egotistical when I had cable TV and you where using rabbit ears too. But look what happened.

4 to 5 years is enough to make that big of a jump. some part of of the u.s. still subscribe to dial up.

[QUOTE="RyuHayabusaX"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Xbox wasn't worth it for MS....they lost $5billion, and are still in the red on their games division.

SolidTy

It was a LONG TERM investment, like Blu-Ray is for Sony.

But don't you see, BLU-RAY beat HDDVD! You see, SONY was thinking LONGTERM. You are only looking at the PS3. Sony is also looking at Electronic devices, movie formats, and more.

Sure, they want the PS3 to be successful, but they wanted BLU-RAY to be a standard, which it is NOW.

If Microsoft is using Blu-Ray for the Xbox 720, then SONY won. See how that works, it's envisioning the future. IS it a gamble?

Sure.

But that business for you.

Uhh...Blu Ray is not that important NOW.

MS took the smart route by cancelling hd-dvd and just waiting till games demand a TON of space, which is going to happen in the future.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="RyuHayabusaX"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Xbox wasn't worth it for MS....they lost $5billion, and are still in the red on their games division.

taj7575

It was a LONG TERM investment, like Blu-Ray is for Sony.

But don't you see, BLU-RAY beat HDDVD! You see, SONY was thinking LONGTERM. You are only looking at the PS3. Sony is also looking at Electronic devices, movie formats, and more.

Sure, they want the PS3 to be successful, but they wanted BLU-RAY to be a standard, which it is NOW.

If Microsoft is using Blu-Ray for the Xbox 720, then SONY won. See how that works, it's envisioning the future. IS it a gamble?

Sure.

But that business for you.

Uhh...Blu Ray is not that important NOW.

MS took the smart route by cancelling hd-dvd and just waiting till games demand a TON of space, which is going to happen in the future.

It was really smart becuase now by dropping the 360 to $199 they are gonna bleed Sony dry. Sony is gonna be losing big money to stay in this war. Sony's best case this Gen is a tie which means they lost significant market share.

Bluray came up ontop of the HD war.

MGS4 is the first ever game to weigh in 33gb.

Developers complain one DVD9 is hardly enough for their work.

Xbox is starting to get 2 disc games.

I'll say Bluray was right on spot.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="RyuHayabusaX"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Xbox wasn't worth it for MS....they lost $5billion, and are still in the red on their games division.

taj7575

It was a LONG TERM investment, like Blu-Ray is for Sony.

But don't you see, BLU-RAY beat HDDVD! You see, SONY was thinking LONGTERM. You are only looking at the PS3. Sony is also looking at Electronic devices, movie formats, and more.

Sure, they want the PS3 to be successful, but they wanted BLU-RAY to be a standard, which it is NOW.

If Microsoft is using Blu-Ray for the Xbox 720, then SONY won. See how that works, it's envisioning the future. IS it a gamble?

Sure.

But that business for you.

Uhh...Blu Ray is not that important NOW.

MS took the smart route by cancelling hd-dvd and just waiting till games demand a TON of space, which is going to happen in the future.

Rage is already on 2 compressed dvd9.

lol .. was this worth it for the 360?

it doesn't run games even at all

its totally dead now

[QUOTE="beachbob1"]I disagree with the argument that Sony was thinking long tern and won the format war. It's tuff to see that far in the future. The next Gen for movies may not see the sales DVD and VHS did. Haven't you noticed Blockbuster Video's ever shrinking bussiness model. The future for Movies is already here. DL Netflix/360 The next gen consoles will be powerhouses and you wil be surfing the net and downloading most of your games and movies imo. MP3 is still in its infancy and look what it has done to the music industry already.Albanian_Killa

Downloading? :lol: If Sony took the downloading route now, no one would buy it. With bandwidth restrictions so messed up, I don't think DLC is the best method. Sure, 10 years from now, of course, but so far, no. First of all, Netflix streaming from what I hear is not HD. If someone can tell me if I'm right or wrong that would be great. Streaming eats up bandwidth too because data isn't coming in by magic here now. Netflix is easy in terms of you can watch any movie in a click, but I prefer hard copy. So far, content on the PSN Store and XBL Marketplace is in 720p from what I'm hearing. 1080p is better than 720p, which is why Blu-Ray is the future. I don't want DLC to be the future. Businesses will go bankrupt, and this world will become fatter than ever with everyone staying at home and not going outside. I know what you're thinking, wtf am I doing bringing this here. All I'm saying is that if the future is DLC, things are going to have to change a lot.

Correction, Sony has already started streaming it's movie studios on ps3 in the US.

Works flawlessly as far as I heard.

[QUOTE="Albanian_Killa"]

[QUOTE="beachbob1"]I disagree with the argument that Sony was thinking long tern and won the format war. It's tuff to see that far in the future. The next Gen for movies may not see the sales DVD and VHS did. Haven't you noticed Blockbuster Video's ever shrinking bussiness model. The future for Movies is already here. DL Netflix/360 The next gen consoles will be powerhouses and you wil be surfing the net and downloading most of your games and movies imo. MP3 is still in its infancy and look what it has done to the music industry already.beachbob1

Downloading? :lol: If Sony took the downloading route now, no one would buy it. With bandwidth restrictions so messed up, I don't think DLC is the best method. Sure, 10 years from now, of course, but so far, no. First of all, Netflix streaming from what I hear is not HD. If someone can tell me if I'm right or wrong that would be great. Streaming eats up bandwidth too because data isn't coming in by magic here now. Netflix is easy in terms of you can watch any movie in a click, but I prefer hard copy. So far, content on the PSN Store and XBL Marketplace is in 720p from what I'm hearing. 1080p is better than 720p, which is why Blu-Ray is the future. I don't want DLC to be the future. Businesses will go bankrupt, and this world will become fatter than ever with everyone staying at home and not going outside. I know what you're thinking, wtf am I doing bringing this here. All I'm saying is that if the future is DLC, things are going to have to change a lot.

I am already downloading HD(1080p) movies on the 360 and with TW Cable so in 4 to 5 years I would think it would be pretty standard. Which could translate into huge losses for Blu Ray and anyone cuaght behind the times like Blockbuster was.(they will still make money but I dont see the windfall like VHS and DVD)

there will always be a demand for physicaly media, if there wasnt then devs would just release games exclusively to programs like steam for the pc, some people would rather have the physical media so that they can just pick it up and go over to a friends, no flash drive required

Disc movie formats is a much, much bigger market than games though.

And Ps3 made them win it.

angelkimne

lol .. was this worth it for the 360?

it doesn't run games even at all

its totally dead now

sdu_1111

lol .. was this worth it for the 360?

it doesn't run games even at all

its totally dead now

sdu_1111

I bought one for $50. It's a hell of a dvd up-scaler.

lol .. was this worth it for the 360?

it doesn't run games even at all

its totally dead now

sdu_1111

At this point, the PS3 does not need any saving, nor does Sony. Their line-up is just as good as the 360 and I can see LBP being a system seller kind of. Neither MS nor Sony need saving. Sony is doing a good job at introducing gamers(Which is a large community) into the world of what we will soon know as Blu Ray: The dominate format. By the time it is 2012, they might release the new consoles, but imagine this:

While Blu Ray being the dominate format, the PS3 will most likely be very cheap compared to the price tag it has on it now. Many people will prefer buying the PS3 because of it's Blu Ray and the games many haven't gotten to get their hands on yet.

Both Sony and Microsoft know what they are doing. But you can tell that Sony planned for the future, and I believe they are on track.

*FACEPALM*

Sony may have lost $2-3b...but now that Blu-Ray is dominant next-gen medium in a few years who'll be making $$$?

Nintendo

Don't you guys realize how bad Sony fell behind this gen? The last 2 gens Sony BLEW the competition out of the water. They Quadrupled the next 2 consoles' total sales with the PS2 and bankrupted another console! The PS1 destroyed the N64. Now they're fighting for sloppy seconds with the 2nd gen Microsoft system while the Wii pulls a last gen Sony on them.AdmiralDan

And I'm sure Sony's movie department is laughing at the fact that they don't care how bad there gaming section is doing because they pull in so much money from being part of the Blu-ray association and one of the largest movie publishers out there frontiering a new disc format.

I'm sure Sony is crying over the fact they made Blu-Ray win the format war. Crying All the way to the Bank! BAZING!

What you're forgetting is that SONY is a Japanese company and in the end they're going to think of Japan first, and hope that the PS3 does well enough in America. XBOX is desperately trying to secure some footing in Japan, which apparently it is doing, but the PS3 is still Japan's next gen console of choice (wii is pretty much old gen with motion controls).

So SONY isn't in so much trouble in Japan as it is in North America.

SONY probably isn't as hurt as everyone else is making it out to be. Also, remember that Final Fantasy XIII is still PS3 exclusive in Japan which will probably be a major blow to XBOX360 in Japan.

The west is doing poor in the east and the east is doing poor in the west. And then theres the wii and you can pretend to be at a bowling alley and wave your arms and **** ._.;

All I know if I didn't have an HDTV and if it wasn't for blu ray becoming the standard HD format, I don't think I would've gotten a PS3 early. Also it was a 20 gig for $300 bucks brand new back then, so I couldn't resist. Anyway if it wasn't for those reasons, I would've gotten a PS3 sometime in 2009. But yeah, I haven't bought a blu ray movie in awhile now, I mostly rent instead of buying these blu ray movies.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Adonymous"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Xbox wasn't worth it for MS....they lost $5billion, and are still in the red on their games division.

RyuHayabusaX

It was a LONG TERM investment, like Blu-Ray is for Sony.

exactly.

I knew where you were going, but the TC didn't even know the Xbox was a failure.

You do understand that you dont have a point at all do you?

I have a PS3 (BLU-RAY) anda stand alone Hd-DVD player and a 360

Most people I show the Hd movies to, could care less, regular DVD look great, and they see it for themselves

Blu-Ray may be the Standard HD format, but it still has to beat DVD, which does not have the same problems VHS had when DVD beat it as the standard format, People have to Care enough to WANT to upgrade, and from most of the people I talk to, they Don't, Hell we still buy almost all of our movies on regular DVD because there is not enough of a diffrence when sitting across the room, and some movies on Blu-Ray cost twice as much, I'm not a rich man

Blu-Ray may not be worth it, Sony has spent alot of money to finally win a format war, only time will tell if its worth it, will people really replace all those car DVD players, portable DVD players, DVD players in the kids room, its super cheap, and still looks fantastic

Uh yeah it was worth it, in the long run so it seems.

Their format is the new hd disk format.

I think they are relatively pleased that the competition format was strangled to death.

When will most of the idiots on this planet realise that Sony is more than just the PS3?

I mean DVD was 'a pointless upgrade over CD' when the PS2 came out.

CD's were considered useless when the PS1 first came out.

After a while people realised the true potential.
It's called future-proofing something. Sure the PS3 isn't future proof, but a hell of a more resistant than the other consoles.

Back to my examples of DVD and CD

What do they both have in common apart from being Optical Media?

Well Sony helped create both of them, putting them into their consoles was more in part an effort to help bring in profits to other sections of the Sony Corporation rather then SCE.

Same with BluRay. BluRay beat HD-DVD, largely thanks to the PS3, and so Sony's goal was acheived

The PS3 being left with what could be said as a 'superior' media is a by-product.

Guess you did not see all the posts about the RAGE downgrades for the 360 due to dvd limitations. This is just the beginning.

howell1972

oohh yeaaa

When will most of the idiots on this planet realise that Sony is more than just the PS3?

I mean DVD was 'a pointless upgrade over CD' when the PS2 came out.

CD's were considered useless when the PS1 first came out.

After a while people realised the true potential.
It's called future-proofing something. Sure the PS3 isn't future proof, but a hell of a more resistant than the other consoles.

Back to my examples of DVD and CD

What do they both have in common apart from being Optical Media?

Well Sony helped create both of them, putting them into their consoles was more in part an effort to help bring in profits to other sections of the Sony Corporation rather then SCE.

Same with BluRay. BluRay beat HD-DVD, largely thanks to the PS3, and so Sony's goal was acheived

The PS3 being left with what could be said as a 'superior' media is a by-product.

fluxorator

Just to help your argument. Early PS2 games were on CDs, and not on DVDs, this measure was soon changed due to space needs.

[QUOTE="RyuHayabusaX"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Adonymous"]

Xbox wasn't worth it for MS....they lost $5billion, and are still in the red on their games division.

SolidTy

It was a LONG TERM investment, like Blu-Ray is for Sony.

But don't you see, BLU-RAY beat HDDVD! You see, SONY was thinking LONGTERM. You are only looking at the PS3. Sony is also looking at Electronic devices, movie formats, and more.

Sure, they want the PS3 to be successful, but they wanted BLU-RAY to be a standard, which it is NOW.

If Microsoft is using Blu-Ray for the Xbox 720, then SONY won. See how that works, it's envisioning the future. IS it a gamble?

Sure.

But that business for you.

Sony has electronics like hdtvs and such that would benefit from the blu ray victory and a purpose to buy hd